Has anyone experience the feeling the loon shit some call it silt-muck in the shallow water on the West end of Rose slowing your paddling down. I have.
Even USFS employees brought this up before I even mention it.
It seems your speed is cut in half.
There is a name for it, but I don't remember.

Not sure what it's called but it's unique in the BWCA, in my incomprehensive experience. I kept feeling like I was going to paddle over a silt gray-green covered body, animal... or otherwise. But then I've read too many horror novels!

Their is merit to this.
Been through that exact area on the Kruger Challenge many times and at first we thought it was us paddling slower after fatigue . But it's something you can feel , even in the dead of night. BeaV will have better explanation, but I believe it has something to do with water displacement from the canoe being impeded ( fought agst) from that bottom that literally bogs you down. It is noticeable. I'll leave it to experts to give a more scientific reasoning.

I camped on Rose last month and we did a lot of fishing up in the west arm. There is a lot of shallow water with weeds out in the middle. Maybe your canoe was dragging on the weeds.

Canoe racers refer to water that depth as " suck water". Shallow water creates more friction on the boat. In fast shallow riffles, racers increase their stroke rate. The result is what they call " popping the boat," to increase speed.

This might explain why traveling down the west arm of Rose Lake seems to take forever.

Voyager: "Canoe racers refer to water that depth as " suck water". Shallow water creates more friction on the boat. In fast shallow riffles, racers increase their stroke rate. The result is what they call " popping the boat," to increase speed."

Yup, this. I hate shallow "suck" water.

It has to do with your bow wave that your boat forms begins to interact with the lake/river bottom beneath you. That little bow wave slows down and that makes your boat slow. Picture your bow wave like a lake wave coming to shore on a beach. When that wave hits shallow water, it slows down eventually enough that the top of the wave crashes (breaks) over.

I don't like that part of Rose. That silt bottom looks like if you fell overboard, it would consume you. I can't believe that Samsquatch found any fish in there. Swans - yes.

WhiteWolf: "Their is merit to this.
Been through that exact area on the Kruger Challenge many times and at first we thought it was us paddling slower after fatigue . But it's something you can feel , even in the dead of night. BeaV will have better explanation, but I believe it has something to do with water displacement from the canoe being impeded ( fought agst) from that bottom that literally bogs you down. It is noticeable. I'll leave it to experts to give a more scientific reasoning."

What WW said. Been there too. The first time it happened I thought we snagged something but nope all clear. Then I thought I was the problem...nope (couldn't ever be that). Next year same thing. Next year, rinse and repeat. It's feels like the viscosity of the water changed, you paddle harder but move slower. FRUSTRATING!

I recall reading about this in past posts. It is the bow/hull wave and its interaction with its surroundings. Imagine a 360 degree energy wave emanating like radar. It picks up objects based on their density and reflects back to the point of origin. This increases the power in the energy wave pushing against the hull and we feel drag. It is a function of the nature of things.
I am curious how some are distressed by it. I guess like rain on a travel day it can be upsetting. When I read about this in a post associated with the push off as shoreline is approached, I decided to start paying attention to it. The carbon/Kevlar hull on my Magic is very sensitive and I think she feels the rocks and other submerged stuff, especially so when paddling against moving water. In any case it is a part of paddling like wind and current and reading them make paddling more fun.

BeaV,

There's a channel near the south bank in the west arm of Rose my group has fished successfully. Out in the middle the weeds are thick and I swear there are spots where the depth is only two feet.

BeaV: "

Voyager: "Canoe racers refer to water that depth as " suck water". Shallow water creates more friction on the boat. In fast shallow riffles, racers increase their stroke rate. The result is what they call " popping the boat," to increase speed."

Yup, this. I hate shallow "suck" water.


It has to do with your bow wave that your boat forms begins to interact with the lake/river bottom beneath you. That little bow wave slows down and that makes your boat slow. Picture your bow wave like a lake wave coming to shore on a beach. When that wave hits shallow water, it slows down eventually enough that the top of the wave crashes (breaks) over.


I don't like that part of Rose. That silt bottom looks like if you fell overboard, it would consume you. I can't believe that Samsquatch found any fish in there. Swans - yes.


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good write in info