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Boundary Waters Quetico Forum Listening Point - General Discussion Elk in the BWCA??? |
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10/14/2013 01:49PM
Elk would be cool. Can we bring back the caribou as well?
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10/14/2013 01:57PM
quote fitgers1: "Elk would be cool. Can we bring back the caribou as well?
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There was a plan to reintroduce the Woodland Caribou to the BWCA years ago but it got scrapped after the Blowdown...They were going to reintroduce them in the Little Saganaga area. Caribou
"I am haunted by waters"~Norman Maclean "A River Runs Through It"
10/14/2013 04:01PM
They're doing the same thing with Mountain Lions in Missouri. Obviously there's a little bit of a difference, but they know they're starting to reintroduce themselves to the area. They just need to know where they are.
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10/14/2013 04:15PM
Elk might be a reasonable replacement for the woodland caribou that were in the canoe country up until about 1910, or so. Elk might also take the place of moose, if they eventually disappear from the area.
I'm surprised that Ontario hasn't transferred some of the over-populated caribou on the Slate Islands in Lake Superior and attempted to reintroduce them to Quetico. There is good habitat up there, but wolf and deer numbers might be too high for an introduction to succeed.
I'm surprised that Ontario hasn't transferred some of the over-populated caribou on the Slate Islands in Lake Superior and attempted to reintroduce them to Quetico. There is good habitat up there, but wolf and deer numbers might be too high for an introduction to succeed.
“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.” -Edward Abbey
10/14/2013 05:56PM
quote nolanbunch: "I was shocked to see a posting at the Snowbank Lake entry asking visitors to report any elk sighting to the NFS. Really? Are there now elk somewhere in the BWCA?"
Yeah, I would be shocked too. Sure have never heard of one. They have been released not far that away in Ontario, however:
Ontario elk release sites
10/14/2013 06:10PM
I saw elk warning signs (warning not to confuse them with deer or moose and shoot them) near Dryden, Ontario, which is just 100 miles north of the border. Perhaps some have drifted south into the Q, and then it's not a stretch to imagine a few getting into the BW. I doubt if any of the NW herd have moved this far east, but that could happen, I guess.
10/14/2013 06:49PM
Quetico gets a few caribou off and on that drift into the area there, and was it about 25 years ago somebody got a picture of a caribou along the Gunflint.
There was talk of Caribou introduction by Little Sag-Gabi area because of the low deer population in that area. Caribou I guess are very susceptible to the deer brain problem.
There was talk of Caribou introduction by Little Sag-Gabi area because of the low deer population in that area. Caribou I guess are very susceptible to the deer brain problem.
10/15/2013 10:10AM
quote 2old4U: "If there's an elk in the BWCA you'll hear them before you ever see them. They bugle their heads off in the fall."
I was thinking the same thing...we have an elk farm just a few miles down the road from us, and the bugling is very frequent this time of year
"I am haunted by waters"~Norman Maclean "A River Runs Through It"
10/15/2013 12:23PM
There's a decent size Elk herd in NW WI in the Chequamegon National Forest (close to 200 now I think). My wife did research on them for a while before we moved to IA. I doubt that they are moving further North at this point. They are all collared and do regular counts during the winter.
11/15/2013 05:40PM
On September 15, 2012, my paddling partner and I were on day 13 of a 300+ mile paddling trip when we heard "something" bugle on the southeast shore of Saganaga Lake. We heard it multiple times near sunset and also a few times the following morning (in dead calm weather). We were camped near the mouth of the Granite River and the sound came from the east. Our first thoughts were; "I didn't know there are elk around here." While we certainly wouldn't consider ourselves experts on large mammal mating calls, it sure sounded like the high-pitched bugle we have come to associate with elk.
Photo is from that campsite, early morning on the 16th.
Photo is from that campsite, early morning on the 16th.
11/16/2013 12:21AM
We have two subspecies of elk in California, Roosevelt and Tule. I was try to figure out which subspecies would be present in northern Minnesota. Would it be the Manitoban?
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11/16/2013 12:45AM
quote Jeriatric: "We have two subspecies of elk in California, Roosevelt and Tule. I was try to figure out which subspecies would be present in northern Minnesota. Would it be the Manitoban?"
Never mind. I did the research I should have in the first place. You have Manitoban elk in the nw corner of the state and a small group of confined Rocky Mountain (American) elk 60 miles to the south.
The Manitobans prefer prairie. Any other possibilities for the BW?
The business of life is the acquisition of memories. In the end that's all there is. ___Mr Carson (Downton Abby)
11/16/2013 04:17PM
quote BrokenDownBoater: "On September 15, 2012, my paddling partner and I were on day 13 of a 300+ mile paddling trip when we heard "something" bugle on the southeast shore of Saganaga Lake. We heard it multiple times near sunset and also a few times the following morning (in dead calm weather). We were camped near the mouth of the Granite River and the sound came from the east. Our first thoughts were; "I didn't know there are elk around here." While we certainly wouldn't consider ourselves experts on large mammal mating calls, it sure sounded like the high-pitched bugle we have come to associate with elk.
Photo is from that campsite, early morning on the 16th. "
BDB- It would be fun to hear more about your trip. You should do a trip report. As for the elk bugle on Sag; my best guess is that it came from an elk hunter that was on a fall fishing trip because he/she did not draw an elk tag that fall.
"Man's heart away from nature becomes hard." Standing Bear
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