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veronica
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02/22/2014 09:09PM   (Thread Older Than 3 Years)
HELP! Went on the Quetico website and got totally confused as to the fees. There is a $20.00 per person per day and then what?
 
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bojibob
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02/22/2014 10:46PM  
There is an $11.00 Fee with $100 deposit then the fees are per person, per day (NIGHTS YOU WILL CAMP) 8 days/7 nights is 7 chargeable days

Example 1: 5 nights entering at Prairie Portage/ Cache Bay for a Group of 2 (** SEE RABC Note)

Regular - Per Person (Age 18 +)Non Resident is $21.47

$21.47 X 5 X 2 = $214.70. Amount paid at time of reservation $111.00 Amount due at Check in Cache Bay Ranger Station $103.70


Example 2: 5 nights entering at Lac La Croix for a Group of 2

Regular - Per Person (Age 18 +)Non Resident$16.95

$16.95 X 5 X 2 = $169.50 Amount paid at time of reservation $111.00 Amount due at Check in Cache Bay Ranger Station $58.50

Example 3: 5 nights entering at Beaverhouse for a Group of 2

Regular - Per Person (Age 18 +)Non Resident$14.97

$14.97 X 5 X 2 = $149.70 Amount paid at time of reservation $111.00 Amount due at Check in Cache Bay Ranger Station $38.70

**Note this does not include RABC Permit Fee. An RABC Permit is required for Entry at Prairie Portage and Cache Bay.

Not required for Canadian Entry Points or LLC as you must clear actual Canadian Customs.

+++ I am not real clear that if you paddle into LLC from BWCA vs. the Tow Boat from Crane if you can bypass actual customs and use an RABC for a LLC entry. I assume yes. Anyone know for sure?


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02/22/2014 11:57PM  
Boji,

Yes you can bypass customs if you have an RABC on Lac La Croix. I've only done it when I already had an RABC from a previous trip and didn't share a tow with another group that didn't have an RABC.

T
tumblehome
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02/23/2014 07:50AM  
It would be cool to have a sticky note on the forum with the fees and permit info. It's a common topic and one which frequently needs clarification. it can be hard to understand all of the requirements.

I would be happy to write up a short post on it.
02/23/2014 08:48AM  
Something you might include in your sticky tumblehome, info on day passes from GeoFisher,

"02/19/2014 06:11PM
Here is the question I asked:
"I have been visiting Quetico for years now, and a question came up with regards to permitting. I know and understand that permitting with camping permits and day use permits is required to enter Quetico.
A few years ago a buddy of mine purchased an unlimited Day Use vehicle permit to Ontario parks and assumed that was adequate to allow him to paddle into Quetico waters if on borderlakes. He had an RABC and always returned to United States waters to camp.

My question. is this a legitimate method of visiting Quetico on day trips when on "border lakes".
Any help trying to resolve this question would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
George White
"Here is the answer from The Assistant Super of Quetico.

"Hi George,
You are correct. You can use a Seasonal or Annual Day Use Vehicle permit along with a RABC to enter Quetico along the Border Waters as the canoe is technically your “vehicle”.

As long as you have the permit on you when you are in the park and you return to the US to camp overnight, this is a perfectly acceptable way to utilize the park.
If you have any further question, do not hesitate to contact me directly.
Take care,
-Jason BLier
Assistant Park Superintendent – Quetico Provincial Park
Ph: 807-597-5005"

butthead
mgraber
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02/23/2014 10:16AM  
quote butthead: "Something you might include in your sticky tumblehome, info on day passes from GeoFisher,

"02/19/2014 06:11PM
Here is the question I asked:
"I have been visiting Quetico for years now, and a question came up with regards to permitting. I know and understand that permitting with camping permits and day use permits is required to enter Quetico.
A few years ago a buddy of mine purchased an unlimited Day Use vehicle permit to Ontario parks and assumed that was adequate to allow him to paddle into Quetico waters if on borderlakes. He had an RABC and always returned to United States waters to camp.

My question. is this a legitimate method of visiting Quetico on day trips when on "border lakes".
Any help trying to resolve this question would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
George White
"Here is the answer from The Assistant Super of Quetico.

"Hi George,
You are correct. You can use a Seasonal or Annual Day Use Vehicle permit along with a RABC to enter Quetico along the Border Waters as the canoe is technically your “vehicle”.


As long as you have the permit on you when you are in the park and you return to the US to camp overnight, this is a perfectly acceptable way to utilize the park.
If you have any further question, do not hesitate to contact me directly.
Take care,
-Jason BLier
Assistant Park Superintendent – Quetico Provincial Park
Ph: 807-597-5005"


butthead"



Would you still technically have to check in with US customs when you got back? I would assume so. When I asked US customs a few years ago they did state that "hopping back and forth across the border" was NOT OK regardless of permits or Canadian rules, so does that mean you can make one trip across but not multiple trips as long as you check in with US customs, or does it mean that even if Canada has no issue with it that the U.S. still prohibits it?
02/23/2014 02:24PM  
Do not know but would assume a stop at US customs is needed. Till GeoFisher posted that, I did not think you could enter Quetico without going thru a ranger station to acquire a day pass camping permit.
That is where the complications come in, fishing is licensed thru the states and provinces, border crossing by US and Canadian customs, Park permits/rules by the individual parks. 6, different agencies.

butthead
tumblehome
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02/23/2014 03:18PM  
Whew, lot's of info is needed on this one. I'll type it up if the moderators give me a green light.

Tom
billconner
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02/23/2014 03:56PM  
Good idea. Suggest you separate border crossing from park permits from fishing rights. Its very confusing when someone links these.

Unfortunately crossing into US remotely is least clear. Having called, emailed, and talked in person to border crossing authorities, I just accept they know they can't practically enforce the regulations or even interpret them well. For instance, you are required to report to border patrol immediately upon entry. Best I could do in trying to get that defined was a no comment. My conclusion is try your best to comply within reason and rely on the "leave the wilderness" language of the permits - which won't help you in court but might make you sound more innocent. Well there is the I-86 or whatever and I guess paired with a sat phone you could comply fully - calling in upon each return.
Jackfish
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02/23/2014 04:26PM  
quote tumblehome: "Whew, lot's of info is needed on this one. I'll type it up if the moderators give me a green light.

Tom"

Go for it! Folks always have questions about this.
tumblehome
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02/23/2014 08:52PM  
OK, give me a few days to put it together. I'll post it for vetting before it becomes a sticky note.

Tom
bojibob
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02/24/2014 10:18AM  
quote Jackfish: "
quote tumblehome: "Whew, lot's of info is needed on this one. I'll type it up if the moderators give me a green light.

Tom"

Go for it! Folks always have questions about this. "


Ya and hurry up :-)
02/24/2014 12:19PM  
Good info,was wondering about a yearly day pass,I would still think the park would want to know your in the park and ability to know how much usage and attendance by this method?
tumblehome
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02/25/2014 03:43PM  
Here's the first draft. Please comment on it with any suggestions, adds, or complaints or typos. You can email me too if you have items to discuss.


2014 Quetico permit fees. Customs and border crossing info. Fishing fees and licenses.

>>Summary of required documents and fees for a Quetico trip per person.

US passport or other approved credentials listed below
Remote Border Crossing Permit (RABC) if entering from the southern region $30
Camping fees per person, per night $21.47 (varies based on entry point)
Ontario outdoors fishing card $9.68
Ontario 8 day conservation fishing license. $29.97
Overnight BWCA permit fees if camping in the BWCA prior to Quetico

If you are entering Quetico from the Northern region, the costs are:
Ages 6-17 are $6.50 per person, per night.
18+ are $14.97 per person, per night

If entering Quetico from the Southern region, costs are:
Ages 6-17 are $8.48 per person, per night.
18+ is $21.47 per person, per night.

If entering Quetico via Lac LaCroix costs are:
Ages 6-17 are $6.50 per person, per night.
18+ is $16.95 per person, per night.

>>Obtaining a permit:

Reservations are made through Ontario Parks here and can be made up to five months in advance of your trip. When making reservations, a $110.00 minimum deposit is required. Overpayment, if any, is reimbursed upon arrival via a credit to your CC. Permits can be picked up from nearly any outfitter serving Quetico park or from a Quetico ranger station located on Beaverhouse Lake, Lac LaCroix, Prarie Portage, or Cache Bay. Bring your reservation with you when you pick up your permit. Quetico rules and regulations

>>Day use permits to allow travel into Quetico without overnight camping:

From The Assistant Super of Quetico:
You can use a Seasonal or Annual Day Use Vehicle permit along with a RABC to enter Quetico along the Border Waters as the canoe is technically your “vehicle”. As long as you have the permit on you when you are in the park and you return to the US to camp overnight, this is a perfectly acceptable way to utilize the park. The cost is $95 for a seasonal pass plus taxes. Buy your day-use permit here

-Jason Blier
Assistant Park Superintendent – Quetico Provincial Park
Ph: 807-597-5005

>>Credentials required for entering Canada:

US citizens entering Canada must possesses a valid US passport or documents that comply with the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI . Canada does not require this for entry into their country but the US does upon your return and therefore Canadian customs will require it.

When entering Quetico from the Northern region, you will clear customs through either Ft.Francis (International Falls border), Pigeon River (Grand Portage), or Crane Lake. If you are entering Quetico via the southern entry points with access through Prairie Portage or Cache Bay you will not clear customs via these locations and therefore must possess a valid Canadian Remote Access Border Crossing permit otherwise known as an RABC . This permit allows you to enter Canada From the US without clearing customs but is only permitted in specified locations along the border.

The cost of an RABC is $30 US for each individual and their direct dependents under 18. Permits are handled through the mail and take approximately 30 days to process. An RABC will likely be denied to you if you have had a criminal violation within the last ten years which includes DUI. It should be noted that a RABC is only required if you do not clear Canadian Customs via any other means. Ranger stations where you pick up your permit are not Customs stations and visa versa.

>>Travel Between Quetico and the BWCA:

If you start your trip on the US side and travel through the BWCA to reach Quetico, you must be in possession of a BWCA day use permit. This is a self-issued permit and there is no cost. These can be picked up at your entry point or at most any permit issuing station. The same holds true if you are returning from Quetico and will travel through the BWCA to return to your car. If you are camping overnight in the BWCA before or after your trip, you must have a valid overnight BWCA permit.

If your trip starts in Canada and you exit via the BWCA, and you are camping in the BWCA, you must possess a valid BWCA entry point permit #71 which allows overnight camping in the BWCA accessed from Canada. If you camp overnight in the BWCA, travel to Quetico, and return to camp again in the US, the same permit that was issued to you in the beginning of your trip is still valid for the last US leg of your trip.

>>Fishing:

An Ontario Fishing License is required for fishing in Quetico. Prior to the purchase of a fishing license, you must already have purchased an Ontario Outdoors Card which is valid for three years. This can be purchased online. A fishing license can also be purchased online at the same time as the Outdoors card. An Ontario Outdoors card is $9.68.

>>Fishing license fees for non-residents are:

One-year Sport Fishing License Tag $ 81.57
One-year Conservation Fishing License Tag $ 50.52
One-day Sport Fishing License $ 22.44
Eight-day Sport Fishing License Tag *** $ 52.41
Eight-day Conservation Fishing License Tag *** $ 29.97

***A conservation fishing license permits a lower catch and possession limit per person, per day.

Quetico prohibits any live or dead bait. No leeches, worms or minnows. Only artificial bait is legal. Only barbless hooks are permitted. Barbs must be pinched back when on a line.

>>Returning to the US:

You must clear US customs upon your return from Quetico either at International Falls, Grand Portage, Ely, or Duluth. You can also apply for an I68 Form which allows you to call in your return and clear customs via the telephone.

Tom
tumblehome
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02/25/2014 04:37PM  
OK, that's it. That is a lot of info. It's amazing anyone can get there at all. If you folks feel I should omit anything to shorten it up, let me know. I also need some clarification on the Quetico day use permits. Any links would be helpful. Thanks all.

Tom
billconner
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02/25/2014 06:31PM  
I think it would be clearer if you separated the border crossing from park entry but in any case a us citizen does not need a passport to enter us by land or water.

From HSA:
U.S. citizens entering the United States at sea or land ports of entry are required to have documents that comply with the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI), most commonly a U.S. passport, a passport card, a trusted traveler card such as NEXUS, SENTRI or FAST, or an enhanced driver's license. See the complete list of WHTI-compliant documents.

I think it is especially important for trips with youths because it is really very simple for youths and as written seems daunting. Check this out.

There is also a need for info on picking up permits - where and timing. I'm not sure when you can get a q permit from an outfitter and when you can't and was interested to read on Q site that you can pick it up from some time the day before to I think 9:00am the day after. It gets both easier and harder.
02/25/2014 06:41PM  
Wow,quite a letter,
I am interested like the day pass,do you have to check in a register still. I really think you would?
tumblehome
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02/25/2014 06:43PM  
Good points Bill. Let me look over where to put the info. Gotta have supper first.

Tom
tumblehome
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02/25/2014 08:42PM  
quote billconner: "I think it is especially important for trips with youths because it is really very simple for youths and as written seems daunting. Check this out.

There is also a need for info on picking up permits - where and timing. I'm not sure when you can get a q permit from an outfitter and when you can't and was interested to read on Q site that you can pick it up from some time the day before to I think 9:00am the day after. It gets both easier and harder. "

Bill,

I changed the document requirements for credentials required to enter Canada and provided the link you gave me. I didn't know about this either. I also tried to separate the reservation/permit info better as well as separated the RABC stuff from travel between the Q and the BWCA.

I can't find park times for picking up a permit so we need to find that on the web site. Also I would like to add the Q season vs. off season times when you self issue. Lastly, We need to find a link for day permits. I mention the annual day pass but what about a single day pass?

Tom

02/25/2014 09:26PM  
tumblehome
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02/26/2014 08:27AM  
Pinetree,

I added a link to purchase a seasonal day-use pass on the thread where I talk about day-use access.

I found that you can purchase a single day-use permit but I think you have to buy that at the park and therefore it is not applicable to our needs for crossing into the Q from the US side. To travel between the Q and the BWCA for day use it appears that we would need to purchase the seasonal permit in advance via the internet for about $100.

Tom
tumblehome
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03/01/2014 03:28PM  
Moderators--

Well I think this thread ran its course. I don't have much else to add. If you want to copy and paste the post on Quetico fees I'm all for it.

I only ask that if you sticky note it or push pin it, whatever it's called, that I can have access to it to edit the links as needed and update it as time goes on.

Tom

GeoFisher
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03/03/2014 04:38PM  
quote butthead: "Do not know but would assume a stop at US customs is needed. Till GeoFisher posted that, I did not think you could enter Quetico without going thru a ranger station to acquire a day pass camping permit.
That is where the complications come in, fishing is licensed thru the states and provinces, border crossing by US and Canadian customs, Park permits/rules by the individual parks. 6, different agencies.


butthead"


Well that is an interesting question.

For the record, I have never checked in at the Ely or Gunflint Customs station.

I might start though as I think they are beginning to match up stuff.

later,

Geo
veronica
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03/03/2014 04:45PM  
Thank you all for the great responses. Very edifying!
GraniteCliffs
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04/03/2019 04:13PM  
This is a lot to digest and I have been going to the Q several times a year for 40 years. But very interesting.
 
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