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07/15/2015 07:34PM  
Can't wait it has been too hot for me.
 
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NotLight
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07/15/2015 08:22PM  
quote Pinetree: "Can't wait it has been too hot for me."


Ha! I started housecleaning the garage this week, so I'd have room to get out and plan the sled packing this weekend. Not because I'm ready for winter already, but because I'm so slow.

I posted last week in the ski forum, I'm looking for ski route suggestions. If I don't get a better suggestion, and the slush isn't bad, then I am thinking of just following the sled dog tracks and skiing that Moose-Snowbank loop again. But, with ice fishing gear this time.

07/15/2015 09:58PM  
Been awhile but the dog sleds use to have a good trail thru Disappointment to Thomas.
Many other options also available.
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07/16/2015 09:50PM  
I suspect over the next 30 days, a winter adventure may be planned.
07/17/2015 07:56AM  
quote DanCooke: "I suspect over the next 30 days, a winter adventure may be planned."


It kind of cools you off thinking about it during this hot and humid weather.
NotLight
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07/17/2015 10:54AM  
quote Pinetree: "
quote DanCooke: "I suspect over the next 30 days, a winter adventure may be planned."


It kind of cools you off thinking about it during this hot and humid weather."


It reminds me that there's an end to the weed pulling....

NotLight
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07/17/2015 10:55AM  
Here are the basics of BWCA cold tent/tarp camping that, I think, I learned last year:

1. Paper permits are all you need. No reservations or fees. The paper permits are available in boxes outside the ranger stations, and also (at least) at EP25. You don’t even have to fill them out and mail them in until after your trip.

2. At least EP25 on Moose Lake is plowed, and will have cars in it. There is a dogsled trail that leaves from EP25. The trail is marked with small pine boughs on the lake. The winter dogsled portages are marked on the McKenzie maps that you can buy at REI.

3. At least Snowbank lake, on the parts outside the BWCA, has plowed roads and lots of fishermen on it to ask advice. I suspect other lakes that fall partially outside the BWCA might be similar.

4. Portages between lakes next to moving water will have thin or no ice, even in the middle of January. Gathering this open water is more fuel efficient than melting snow, assuming you don’t have an ice auger to drill for water in the middle of a lake. You have to be careful of those long portages next to moving water, that are made up of a bunch of short portages with little separating ponds. Because, the little ponds might be impassible due to thin ice.

5. You want to stay really dry. For me, this means sometimes limiting exertion. Also, I need to keep the tops of my boots covered with snowpants, rainpants, or gaiters. Boots and gloves with removable liners are good.

6. Melting snow uses lots of fuel. Try to find liquid water instead.

7. Always put water in a pot before melting snow, so you don’t warp the pot :(.

8. The 4-qt open country aluminum pot, recommended by another BWCA.com member, was great for snow melting for one or two people. I also tried a heat exchanger pot. I thought the heat exchanger pot was nearly worthless.

9. Condensation and frost on a single wall tent or tarp is not a big deal. You can just shake out the frost in the morning. Frost on the tarp is probably water vapor that would otherwise be collecting in your sleeping bag. It is nice to have a floor, or even a bit of an insulated floor under a floorless tent to control condensation and moisture.

10. Those chemical heating pads in your socks at night are great. If you wake up at 3am, you can also stuff some heating pads in your boots and plug the boots with semi-damp socks. The boots and socks will be warm when you get up, and the socks may dry out. The handwarmers can then go from your boots to your hands, and are nice when you are taking your gloves on and off in the morning for camp chores.

11. Iphones completely shut off at 32F! Samsung phones at 0F. Alkaline batteries die at about 14F. Inreach batteries will maybe work at 0F, but barely. Energizer ultimate lithiums work to -20F. It is a good idea to have a small zipper chest pocket in your base layer shirt for any electronics – like expensive Patagonia R1 or capilene shirts sometimes have. Otherwise too hard to keep batteries and liquid crystal screens from freezing.

12. Food freezes like a rock. Small diced pieces, or dry foods, are good. Snacks need to go inside jacket to be warm and soft enough to eat. Pre-cooked diced ham/beef/chicken/etc can be easily boiled in a pot, and then dry soup mix, spaghetti, potatoes, chili can be added to the pot to make an easy hot meal. Skinny thermoses keep water hot/melted all day no problem. I heard of people taking frozen lasagna, omelettes, pastries, etc. in freezer bags, and then thawing/heating the food in a pot of hot water. I want to try that this year, but I might need a bigger pot.

13. It gets dark early. If you are on a moving trip and travel until dusk, it is not fun to set up camp in the dark. Need to be mindful of sunset. I am going to try my tent with fast fly setup instead of my tarp this year. It was too much work to set up my tarp in the dark, unpack, try to get food, etc.

14. Sled should be packed with a low center of gravity, and the load should be flexible so as to slither like a snake over show-shoe/ski tracks to keep the sled from tipping.

15. Fat skis with 3-pin bindings work great, per Dan Cook, and I found that to be true. Bigger fatter skis are almost always better, except if the snow is really crusty, or you are on an ice road. Maybe best to take off skis on the uphill parts of portages. There are almost always big jutting sharp rocks under the snow on these hilly parts of portages that might trash skis.

Here’s what I have not figured out yet:

Ice fishing. My normal fishing skills are poor - slightly better than random chance. I have zero chance of catching fish through the ice without help. I think I need to hire an ice fishing guide at least one time.

Fire building. I think my standard twig gathering doesn’t work. I think I need to bring a saw and wood splitting device – I think these are called hatchets. It is not always so easy to find the official fire grates in winter. I wonder if I should to use a garbage can lid or something under the fire (or maybe I have to under the rules).

Slush. I don’t think I will really have any clue how to deal with this.

How to sit down (and rest without my butt getting wet). My stove table/bench experiment was a bust – except that I figured out how to make stuff really light and strong. I think I am going to build a small 14” 3/16” plywood box or two to go on my sled, for sitting and dry storage.

Better safety. I’m always by myself. I want to assume I’ll fall through the ice, and have enough safety gear that it isn’t a big deal. Right now I’m just a fat middle aged guy with a heavy sled attached to me. That can’t possibly come out good.


07/17/2015 11:33AM  

Yes, I believe it istime for me to start building that UHMWPE sled I almost built last year.

Mr. Pinetree, you have an excellent sense of timing.
Craig K
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07/17/2015 11:48AM  
quote Jaywalker: "
Mr Pinetree, you have an excellent sense of timing.
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Yes he does, I was just starting to talk about our winter trip with some of the kids last night.
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07/17/2015 04:32PM  
Not light, if you are going to boil food it must be in a bag that can handle boiling temps. Surprisingly Ziplock brands don't work. Trust me on this one. :-)
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07/17/2015 06:48PM  
quote SevenofNine: "Not light, if you are going to boil food it must be in a bag that can handle boiling temps. Surprisingly Ziplock brands don't work. Trust me on this one. :-)"


You could always use these bags or there are some you can get that are from England. Packit Gourmet

Bags from England;
Lakeland
NotLight
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07/17/2015 07:44PM  
quote OldFingers57: "
quote SevenofNine: "Not light, if you are going to boil food it must be in a bag that can handle boiling temps. Surprisingly Ziplock brands don't work. Trust me on this one. :-)"



You could always use these bags or there are some you can get that are from England. Packit Gourmet


Bags from England;
Lakeland "


Thanks! So it looks like if I really want to feel safe, I should get the special bags for immersing. Somehow, these things are always 75 cents each, and $9 shipping.

07/17/2015 07:52PM  
quote SevenofNine: "Not light, if you are going to boil food it must be in a bag that can handle boiling temps. Surprisingly Ziplock brands don't work. Trust me on this one. :-)"


I just use seal-a-meal bags.
07/28/2015 03:33AM  
07/28/2015 08:16AM  
I loved going like thru Beartooth pass July 1 and driving thru 10 foot snowbanks on each side of the road.

This hot weather is getting to me.
07/28/2015 10:31AM  
quote NotLight: "Here are the basics of BWCA cold tent/tarp camping that, I think, I learned last year:

1. Paper permits are all you need. No reservations or fees. The paper permits are available in boxes outside the ranger stations, and also (at least) at EP25. You don’t even have to fill them out and mail them in until after your trip."


You do need to fill them out and place them in the box...FWIK (But you may be correct.)

quote NotLight:

"10. Those chemical heating pads in your socks at night are great. If you wake up at 3am, you can also stuff some heating pads in your boots and plug the boots with semi-damp socks. The boots and socks will be warm when you get up, and the socks may dry out. The handwarmers can then go from your boots to your hands, and are nice when you are taking your gloves on and off in the morning for camp chores."


A Nalgene of hot water in a bottle insulator at your feet. It is cheaper and less impact. (No trash to carry out and you keep your water bottle from freezing.) Keep your socks in your sleeping bag. They will be warm and dry in the morning.

quote NotLight:
"Here’s what I have not figured out yet:

Fire building. ... It is not always so easy to find the official fire grates in winter. I wonder if I should to use a garbage can lid or something under the fire (or maybe I have to under the rules).
"


You are not required to make your fire in the grate in winter...actually recommended to have your fire on the lake...
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NotLight
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07/28/2015 12:24PM  
Thanks for the link doughboy.

If I read this correctly, it suggests I build a fire on the lake, and then when I'm done I must spread the ashes in the woods not near a campsite? For practical purposes, doesn't this mean I need a wood stove or garbage can lid to lug the ashes around? I am guessing most people who don't use a wood stove would be too lazy to do that.

07/29/2015 08:16AM  
quote NotLight: "Thanks for the link doughboy.


If I read this correctly, it suggests I build a fire on the lake, and then when I'm done I must spread the ashes in the woods not near a campsite? For practical purposes, doesn't this mean I need a wood stove or garbage can lid to lug the ashes around? I am guessing most people who don't use a wood stove would be too lazy to do that.


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Well not that I have a fire often but I think it would be best to worry about any unburnt chunks. The water/ice will take care of the rest. I would cover the spot with snow to help "hide" your trace...I'm guessing the snow/ice would be enough to put out the fire and cool the chunks.
09/03/2015 09:53AM  
Seen good snowfalls early Oct. in BWCA. Getting closer

Just of Highway #1 first week of Oct. 1977. At least 18 inches of snow by Isabella.
09/03/2015 10:22AM  
quote Pinetree: "Seen good snowfalls early Oct. in BWCA. Getting closer

Just of Highway #1 first week of Oct. 1977. At least 18 inches of snow by Isabella."



Now that is a "throw back Thursday" picture I can appreciate!!!
 
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