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Boundary Waters Quetico Forum Group Forum: Solo Tripping trimming a Prism |
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08/09/2015 07:34PM
I have done solo trips on Missouri Rivers, but headed out on my first BWCA solo trip in 9 days. I have been lurking on this solo forum for a while, thanks for all the great tips.
I am 5 foot 7, 200 pounds. Can I trim a Prism with one large duluth pack or will I need to split up my gear into two packs? I have not weighed my gear yet, but anticipating about 50 pounds.
I am 5 foot 7, 200 pounds. Can I trim a Prism with one large duluth pack or will I need to split up my gear into two packs? I have not weighed my gear yet, but anticipating about 50 pounds.
08/09/2015 08:56PM
I just bought a used Prism this year after paddling a Voyageur for a number of years. I like the Prism a lot more.
I had an internal frame pack as close behind me as it would sit. I had a blue Seal line bag with about 10-15 pounds in it sitting in front of me, worked fine. I played around with it and it seemed to work fine with the blue bag sitting on top of the pack, or in other words with all of the weight right behind me. The seat does slide forward if need be.
You will have to be certain that a "big" Duluth Pack will fit sideways, remembering the canoe is narrow and having it lay down gives you more stability. If you run it the long way I suspect you would have the canoe leaning right or left.
With that said you may find you would like some weight up front if you are paddling in wind.
If your goal is to single portage I understand your desire to keep everything in one pack. If you will not single portage I would go with a larger pack and a smaller one in front of you simply because it allows for more weight options in the canoe and in my case I like to keep certain things in the old blue pack to help the organization of my stuff.
Many folks here have more experience than I do with a Prism or solo paddling. Lots of ideas you have likely read about trimming a canoe. One thing to remember: What I think works for me may not work for you!
I had an internal frame pack as close behind me as it would sit. I had a blue Seal line bag with about 10-15 pounds in it sitting in front of me, worked fine. I played around with it and it seemed to work fine with the blue bag sitting on top of the pack, or in other words with all of the weight right behind me. The seat does slide forward if need be.
You will have to be certain that a "big" Duluth Pack will fit sideways, remembering the canoe is narrow and having it lay down gives you more stability. If you run it the long way I suspect you would have the canoe leaning right or left.
With that said you may find you would like some weight up front if you are paddling in wind.
If your goal is to single portage I understand your desire to keep everything in one pack. If you will not single portage I would go with a larger pack and a smaller one in front of you simply because it allows for more weight options in the canoe and in my case I like to keep certain things in the old blue pack to help the organization of my stuff.
Many folks here have more experience than I do with a Prism or solo paddling. Lots of ideas you have likely read about trimming a canoe. One thing to remember: What I think works for me may not work for you!
08/10/2015 04:20AM
I use a CCS pioneer behind me and a smaller pack (CCS bush crafter) in front. I double portage. The small pack has my food and kitchen gear. Having a bag with a little weight helps with trim and getting the bow down headed into the wind. If you push the seat forward it will help but I find moving a pack keeps me locked in where I feel most comfortable. When I portage I attach my paddle to the canoe and portage food pack and canoe one load. I attach my pfd to my pioneer pack with caribeeners and portage that on the second load.
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08/10/2015 02:56PM
I think the best is with 2 bags. Have seen and know a few owners of modified Prism's. Seat moved back 18 inches or so, thwarts re-positioned to take a large pack center.
butthead
butthead
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08/10/2015 05:31PM
quote butthead: "I think the best is with 2 bags. Have seen and know a few owners of modified Prism's. Seat moved back 18 inches or so, thwarts re-positioned to take a large pack center.
butthead"
I'd like to try that set-up I think. Only concern is possibly more tippy especially when empty.
Nctry
08/10/2015 06:15PM
Using the slider it is possible to travel with just one pack behind you. Prism is set up to favor being stern heavy. If you travel with big following seas (wing from behind) it helps to settle the boat to have some weight in the bow.
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08/10/2015 07:55PM
quote nctry: "quote butthead: "I think the best is with 2 bags. Have seen and know a few owners of modified Prism's. Seat moved back 18 inches or so, thwarts re-positioned to take a large pack center.
butthead"
I'd like to try that set-up I think. Only concern is possibly more tippy especially when empty."
quark2222, Tom, has one. Obtained from an outfitter who set several up that way. Maybe he'll chime in to this topic.
butthead
"never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" George Carlin
08/10/2015 08:12PM
quote butthead: "quote nctry: ". i moved the seat back to center. performs the way it was designed to. empty, i can fish, control the canoe, not tippy.i bought my prism set-up that way, hated it. i always needed something up frontquote butthead: "I think the best is with 2 bags. Have seen and know a few owners of modified Prism's. Seat moved back 18 inches or so, thwarts re-positioned to take a large pack center.i bought my prism set-up that way, hated it. i always needed something up front. i moved the seat back to center. performs the way it was designed to. empty, i can fish, control the canoe, not tippy.
butthead"
I'd like to try that set-up I think. Only concern is possibly more tippy especially when empty."
quark2222, Tom, has one. Obtained from an outfitter who set several up that way. Maybe he'll chime in to this topic.
butthead"
08/11/2015 07:48AM
Thanks for all the input, I will be bringing two smaller bags.
I also owned a Voyageur for a while, logged some serious miles in it. It lacked the turning ability I needed for smaller rivers and it pained me to scratch the kevlar on rocky streams so I traded it for an Argosy. royalex. Argosy maneuvers great, tracks horribly, but is well suited for my typical hour paddle after work on a small river past my house. Argosy would be completely unworthy in high winds on a large lake.
This will be my first time paddling a Prism, I am hoping it fits perfectly between the Argosy and the Voyageur.
dd
I also owned a Voyageur for a while, logged some serious miles in it. It lacked the turning ability I needed for smaller rivers and it pained me to scratch the kevlar on rocky streams so I traded it for an Argosy. royalex. Argosy maneuvers great, tracks horribly, but is well suited for my typical hour paddle after work on a small river past my house. Argosy would be completely unworthy in high winds on a large lake.
This will be my first time paddling a Prism, I am hoping it fits perfectly between the Argosy and the Voyageur.
dd
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