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Boundary Waters Quetico Forum Group Forum: Woodland Caribou Provincial Park Where to get maps for WCPP |
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09/26/2016 01:39PM (Thread Older Than 3 Years)
Does anyone know where to get or order maps for WCPP? I see Chrismar has them and I could order them there. Any other locations or other brands of maps that are good?
"Rivers know this: there is no hurry. We shall get there someday.” ~A.A. Milne
09/26/2016 01:50PM
I'd be surprised if you found any canoe tripping maps for WCPP. Not too much motivation for commercial operations since the traffic through the park is minimal, when compared to many Ontario parks. (That's why I've always made my own.)
I do have the Chrismar map of WCPP. It is very similar in nature to the Quetico version. The scale is 1:1100,000, which is somewhat small for navigation (I tend to use 1:35,000 or smaller for the additional detail that is visible.) And like the Quetico version, it does not provide any details on campsite locations or other features. However, the WCPP version DOES show established canoe routes (shown in pink) which I do examine when trip planning. I take the Chrismar maps as a backup to other, smaller-scale maps (in both parks).
The other issue is that things like campsites and portages seem to be a bit more fluid in WCPP as a result of natural events (fire, blow & snow-down, etc.). So, while a map might be completely accurate one year, there could be substantial changes the next year.
dd
I do have the Chrismar map of WCPP. It is very similar in nature to the Quetico version. The scale is 1:1100,000, which is somewhat small for navigation (I tend to use 1:35,000 or smaller for the additional detail that is visible.) And like the Quetico version, it does not provide any details on campsite locations or other features. However, the WCPP version DOES show established canoe routes (shown in pink) which I do examine when trip planning. I take the Chrismar maps as a backup to other, smaller-scale maps (in both parks).
The other issue is that things like campsites and portages seem to be a bit more fluid in WCPP as a result of natural events (fire, blow & snow-down, etc.). So, while a map might be completely accurate one year, there could be substantial changes the next year.
dd
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs" chances are you missed something. (Inspired by Rudyard Kipling.)
09/26/2016 03:50PM
I order mine from mappingsupport. They're about $15 for the 24 x 36 and less for a smaller version with less definition. I'm sure there are cheaper options out there, but this one allows you to choose the area you're interested in (your route) and they are waterproof.
"It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed.”
09/26/2016 08:22PM
If you want to have your own maps and mark them with information that is of value to you (e.g., add portages, campsites, etc.), then you can get topo maps by going to the Geogratis website/toporama subdirectory and navigate to the quadrant you want to download. Below is quadrant "052L15" which is pretty much centered on Wrist Lake. This is a high resolution image which can be zoomed up to reasonably tight scale without pixelating. All of Woodland Caribou Provincial Park is present in either the "052L" or "052M" subdirectories.
You might want to open the image below in a separate window to view it more clearly. (The original is over 5MB and has been scaled to fit in the BWCA photo directory.)
Here is a tighter view of part of the quadrant so that you can better see the quality of the image.
You might want to open the image below in a separate window to view it more clearly. (The original is over 5MB and has been scaled to fit in the BWCA photo directory.)
Here is a tighter view of part of the quadrant so that you can better see the quality of the image.
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs" chances are you missed something. (Inspired by Rudyard Kipling.)
09/26/2016 09:36PM
quote OldFingers57: "Does anyone know where to get or order maps for WCPP? I see Chrismar has them and I could order them there. Any other locations or other brands of maps that are good? "
I mentioned in my other response that I usually order custom maps from mytopo.com but both times I've paddled in WCPP I've only used the Chrismar map without any trouble. More detail and tighter contour lines would be nice but when following the more standard routes, which I was doing, I certainly didn't find it necessary.
Alan
09/27/2016 07:57PM
quote Alan Gage: "quote OldFingers57: "Does anyone know where to get or order maps for WCPP? I see Chrismar has them and I could order them there. Any other locations or other brands of maps that are good? "
I mentioned in my other response that I usually order custom maps from mytopo.com but both times I've paddled in WCPP I've only used the Chrismar map without any trouble. More detail and tighter contour lines would be nice but when following the more standard routes, which I was doing, I certainly didn't find it necessary.
Alan"
I would agree, the Chrismar map does the job.
The best thing one can do when it's raining is to let it rain. Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
09/28/2016 08:20AM
We have all topographic maps for paddling in WCPP as well as the Charismar maps in stock at all times here at the shop in Red Lake. Feel free to drop us a line and we can mail them to you or drop in before your trip and we'll set you up.
09/28/2016 10:01AM
I meant to correct my earlier post --- i use mytopo as Alan mentioned. They seem to have the detail that I like working with out on the water although I also carry the Chrismar as a reference and a backup map.
"It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed.”
09/28/2016 01:23PM
quote solotrip: "We have all topographic maps for paddling in WCPP as well as the Charismar maps in stock at all times here at the shop in Red Lake. Feel free to drop us a line and we can mail them to you or drop in before your trip and we'll set you up.
"
Thnaks I'll keep you in mind. I was hoping some place in the US would carry the Chrismar map or some other maps for the WCPP. But so far no luck.
"Rivers know this: there is no hurry. We shall get there someday.” ~A.A. Milne
09/29/2016 08:15AM
I like the Chrismar for overall planning and as a cross reference if I need additional info. For example the topo when coming out of Mexican Hat shows more or less open water to the next lake when it is reeds and a beaver lift over. That was a bit perplexing for a moment until I cross referenced with the Chrismar map and all was put right.
As a paddler who does not use GPS I wouldn't like to be on the water without a topo map. So I like having both.
I really like the idea of customizing the map to the area of interest however and I am appreciative of the info.
As a paddler who does not use GPS I wouldn't like to be on the water without a topo map. So I like having both.
I really like the idea of customizing the map to the area of interest however and I am appreciative of the info.
Lets Go!
09/29/2016 07:36PM
I like the topo and transfer the stuff from the other maps to them. You also can get a campsite map from the park. On your way in maybe get some info from solo trip, all kinds of sources. After a few trips you can kind of see a map under all that scribbling.
Nctry
11/04/2016 08:39PM
I think most transfer information to one map or another. There is no MNRF sanctioned map that provides campsites and portages. (I am used to Jeff's maps for AlgonquinPP)
Over the past year or two, I have marked up many a topographic map and to this point have it all transferred digitally into PDF files.
(containing boat caches/ pictographs/ forest fire coverage since 2000/ fishing lodges/ trapper cabins/portages/ campsites and some bushwhack possibilities)
Also, having merged them into one big map - they are now available to me on my GPS unit.
Should anyone require a specific map (i.e. 52M02), I would be happy to share.
Knowing that the phrase 'officially sanctioned campsites' is somewhat of a grey/ gray issue for the time being - I await the MNRF's campsite project to take effect.
government=bureaucracy=money=paperwork=a long time coming
:)
There is also a full size wall map out there (but unofficially released as yet)
that contains portages/campsites for an area larger than what the Chrismar map covers.
G
Over the past year or two, I have marked up many a topographic map and to this point have it all transferred digitally into PDF files.
(containing boat caches/ pictographs/ forest fire coverage since 2000/ fishing lodges/ trapper cabins/portages/ campsites and some bushwhack possibilities)
Also, having merged them into one big map - they are now available to me on my GPS unit.
Should anyone require a specific map (i.e. 52M02), I would be happy to share.
Knowing that the phrase 'officially sanctioned campsites' is somewhat of a grey/ gray issue for the time being - I await the MNRF's campsite project to take effect.
government=bureaucracy=money=paperwork=a long time coming
:)
There is also a full size wall map out there (but unofficially released as yet)
that contains portages/campsites for an area larger than what the Chrismar map covers.
G
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