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dentondoc
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I'm essentially going to be REALLY PISSED OFF if I don't get to go! (Is that essential enough?)
dd
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Sparkeh
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Wow.
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HighnDry
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I like turtles :)
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deerfoot
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I have already accepted that there will be no Canadian trip this year. Next year I will have to make up for missing this year.
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Portage99
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goatroti: "Now you have to prove your travel to Wabakimi is 'essential'. Good luck with that."
I will tell them I am the Cedar Queen and man’s laws do not apply to me.
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Portage99
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Yes, not surprising. They just held a big party on the river here with 500 people-no masks, no social distancing. People are lunatics and hurting the economy and their loved ones. US has colossally botched this. Our only hope is an effective vaccine.
I’m still looking to be adopted by a nice Canadian family-or a mean Canadian family, at this point!
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user0317
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Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of people from all over the country are preparing to attend the annual biker rally in Sturgis SD. We will never get through this without a vaccine.
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goatroti
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In my 14 summers of paddling in Wabakimi I've paddled with 24 fine Americans. There's only one I have doubts about, but I won't say who. I want to keep the other 23 guessing. ;)
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HighnDry
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It's essential :)
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goatroti
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Ontario Parks will probably bring in a Social Distancing surcharge to better serve you.
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goatroti
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Word from the Premier of Ontario...
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/i-don-t-want-them-in-ontario-premier-ford-fires-back-after-trump-suggests-loosening-border-1.4899199?fbclid=IwAR23CmHDq6i4GvxRHXrMOgkG7AwSA-7ZPbZUVnpAXu7px6jmNh0QvCH8lYo
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goatroti
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No it's not you Cedar Queen, even with your admission of that transgression of the rules of campsite etiquette. Your royal station precludes you from inclusion on the enemies list.
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ZaraSp00k
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jcavenagh: "When a man is right, he is right. I am embarrassed over and over by t he US president.I only hope most Canadians understand that most US folks are not complete idiots."
What you should be hoping is that most Canadians aren't thinking the same thing as the premier of Ontario
"The answer is absolutely not. I don't want them (Americans) in Ontario."
"I want to put the people of Ontario first."
and in fact, many of them do, they like to visit the US, but prefer we not do the same
why camping for US citizens is so &*@# expensive in Ontario
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ZaraSp00k
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goatroti: "Ontario Parks will probably bring in a Social Distancing surcharge to better serve you."
Yes, they will call it an Indoor Card, for those who sleep in tents... and no, you will still need it to sleep in a hammock or under the stars because of the cost of maintaining trees to hang your hammock and the ground to sleep on.
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Portage99
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It's me, isn't it?
I took that last portion of Mountain House Granola with Milk & Blueberries, and you've never forgiven me!
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jcavenagh
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Slogan...
Visit Wabakimi where social distancing is guaranteed!
;-)
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sns
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dentondoc: "I'm essentially going to be REALLY PISSED OFF if I don't get to go! (Is that essential enough?)
dd"
+1 for sure
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user0317
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goatroti: "I'd rather paddle with Dave than with a family of friendly otters. He's a sweetheart. "
Very true. It is hard to be in a bad mood around Dave.
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user0317
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Portage99: "It's me, isn't it?
I took that last portion of Mountain House Granola with Milk & Blueberries, and you've never forgiven me!"
I'm not a huge Mountain House fan, but that stuff is awesome. I always looked forward to it on the project trip I was on.
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Portage99
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What is sad is that many of those bikers are at high risk for multiple reasons. I have been reading comments, with an open mind, to try to understand why they would take this risk. The logic is simply skewed. They outline their reasons for attending and it is based on misinformation or flawed logic. I tried to write a neutral, non-partisan post to maybe save some lives. And, focus on the fact that no one knows the effects of this virus long term. I figure maybe a couple of people would read it and not go.
I have been talking to a couple of my friends and they really did not have the bigger context of global diseases, historical outbreaks, the world of epidemiology, the long-term players in global health. Once they had the information, they gave pause to the idea that this is a hoax or no big deal. A complete lack of context and critical information that debunks many of the false info out there. A lot of things sound good until you have all the facts.
Some of the responses to this pandemic remind me of a documentary on the OJ Simpson jurors. They interviewed each member and their logic was totally off. They did not understand DNA technology (relatively new to the public then, I think?). I remember one woman said she thought OJ was guilty until they presented the DNA evidence. She said something to the effect of that she knew he was innocent because, "Once they said there was a one in a billion chance, I knew they were lying. There aren't even a billion people in the world". Which brings into question our jury trial system. LOL But, I digress...
I'm angry that someone in authority did not put a stop to this event. Really?
I am also super sad that people will become sick and probably die. The likelihood of no one in that crowd having the virus is about zero, I would imagine. Hopefully, people stay outside at least. Masks and keeping apart would be great. I am hopeful being outside will help stop the spread.
Another frustration is people who keep going out when they are sick and claim it is not COVID (without testing). "I have a cough but don't worry, it's not COVID.". "I had a cold, but it was definitely not COVID. I know when I have a cold". If you are sick, stay home, pretty please.
The book The Plague by Camus is creepy and fascinating to read. People are people no matter the era or the scourge. : )
Okay, I will stop hijacking the thread. I feel like I am surrounded by people (some of who I love very much) who have lost their minds. : )
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Portage99
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goatroti: "No it's not you Cedar Queen, even with your admission of that transgression of the rules of campsite etiquette. Your royal station precludes you from inclusion on the enemies list.
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Finally, my royalty has been officially recognized! : )
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jcavenagh
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Wa Po article...
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sns
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Let's hope they let us non-citizens in once the water is liquid...
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HighnDry
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Any way you slice it, we're not getting into Wabakimi anytime soon, let alone Canada!
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jcavenagh
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When a man is right, he is right.
I am embarrassed over and over by the US president.
I only hope most Canadians understand that most US folks are not complete idiots.
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tumblehome
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goatroti: "I'd rather paddle with Dave than with a family of friendly otters. He's a sweetheart.
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I’m not sure how to read that. Otters have very nearly jumped in my canoe and slit my throat. They seem to be ornery mean SOB’s.
Never seen a friendly otter.
:)
Tom
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jdrocks
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surely you guys must know by now that the WAPO story was fake news.
see what Kristi Noem has to say about the so called "study". no science, no peer review, no nothing. GOP governor, does anyone think that might be a reason the media picked up the story and ran with it.
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user0317
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jdrocks: "so it turns out that there is no major Wuhan outbreak directly tied to Sturgis. sure, there are some cases, but even among the population of Sturgis itself, additional cases fall well within the expected % of the general population who contact the virus from any source, known or unknown.
dire predictions didn't come to pass, and South Dakota got their annual cash infusion of 700 million, kinda important to a midwest economy. various charities got a their bump too."
Results Are In: Sturgis Motorcycle Rally Was A COVID 'Super Spreader' Costing Billions
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jcavenagh
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They are better than blah, blah, blah about covid, don't you think?
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user0317
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goatroti: "In my 14 summers of paddling in Wabakimi I've paddled with 24 fine Americans. There's only one I have doubts about, but I won't say who. I want to keep the other 23 guessing. ;)"
It's OregonDave, isn't it!?
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goatroti
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I'd rather paddle with Dave than with a family of friendly otters. He's a sweetheart.
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goatroti
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An update from the Ontario Parks website.
Update:
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goatroti
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Now you have to prove your travel to Wabakimi is 'essential'. Good luck with that.
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HighnDry
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HighnDry
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Trying to close out the quotes...
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Portage99
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jcavenagh: "I only hope most Canadians understand that most US folks are not complete idiots."
I was thinking the same!!! So embarrassing!!
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goatroti
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Latest prognostications re: the border opening
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user0317
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jdrocks: "surely you guys must know by now that the WAPO story was fake news.
see what Kristi Noem has to say about the so called "study". no science, no peer review, no nothing. GOP governor, does anyone think that might be a reason the media picked up the story and ran with it."
The governor is a politician, not a scientist. Maybe the media 'ran with it' because someone who attended the rally recently died, and many others have gotten sick.
The same group (IZA Institute of Labor Economics) determined that a spike in cases in Oklohoma was NOT likely caused by the Republican rally in Tulsa, so the group of economist doing the study doesn't strike me as politically motivated. WAPO did not do the study and merely reported on it, so I'm not sure what your point is. You are correct that the paper has not yet been peer-reviewed. It was transparently released as a pre-print.
What one can't deny is that countries like Canada are handling the containment of the Coronavirus much better than the United States. Their transmission rate is 1/5th that of ours. Hosting events like the Sturgis rally sends a clear signal that the US is not yet responsible enough to have an open border with Canada. Multiple surveys of Canadian citizens seem to support this sentiment, despite the fact that their economy is certainly hurt by the border closure.
At any rate, the Wabakimi forum probably isn't the best place to hash out our differences on Coronavirus transmission or politics. Happy paddling.
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HighnDry
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Turtles?
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jcavenagh
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anyway...moving on...
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jdrocks
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so it turns out that there is no major Wuhan outbreak directly tied to Sturgis. sure, there are some cases, but even among the population of Sturgis itself, additional cases fall well within the expected % of the general population who contact the virus from any source, known or unknown.
dire predictions didn't come to pass, and South Dakota got their annual cash infusion of 700 million, kinda important to a midwest economy. various charities got a their bump too.
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goatroti
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Covid after Sturgis...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/02/sturgis-rally-death-coronavirus/
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