Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Group Forum: Wabakimi :: Wabakimi 2023
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jillpine |
Sparkeh: "We have a group planning a 10 nighter out from the Armstrong side. This will be our first trip to Wabakimi so we will try to find a basic route. We usually paddle flat water so a route without a ton of river running would be better for us. There is a Fow trip planning webinar sunday at 8 pm est I will be listening in on. Im pumped to try out Wabakimi. " Hi Sparkeh, If you're in the metro area, the MWM Expo FOW table will be well-worth a visit, as Ryan said. As far as rapids, the park is a system of rivers and lakes, so it is a bit different than the BWCA in that regard. Yes, of course there is lake-to-lake travel, but most are connected by river systems that pool and drop. There are portages around the larger rapids. Many will line or wade if water conditions allow. In higher water, it can be a bit snappy. In lower water, it can be a boulder garden. And if the route is not one of the more frequently used routes in the park, the portages can be challenging to locate from the water, and may (will) be impacted by blowdown. Friends of Wabakimi has a list of members who are willing to help other members via email with trip planning questions as part of the FOW expedition committee. Navigate to the FOW website, become a member, go to the Interactive Member Forum and submit your questions. Wabakimi Outfitters won't be at Expo this spring. The FOW website has a list of outfitting resources on both the east and west sides of the park. |
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Sparkeh |
jcavenagh: "Sparkeh - Are you planning an out and back route? If so, take a look at going north from Smoothrock, going up to Whitewater and then back down and out. You will be able to stop at "the center of the universe."." That is the exact route we are looking at. The little Caribou loop via Berg River, Ogoki River and whitewater lake. We are most likely going to go with an out and back for our first trip. If we get good intel this summer we may plan on flying in or using the train in the future. We come from Pa and Vt so we will not be able to go to the expo shows out west there. |
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deerfoot |
If you plan to descend the Billy Goat portage (Seven Sisters area) be sure to bring at least a 50’ length of line to lower your boat. There is an alternative portage around the falls but it will require you to boulder hop on mossy covered boulders. The Billy Goat is shorter and way more adventurous as long as you are not afraid of heights. You should look for Kevin Callan’s online video of his Kopka trip (probably in 2009 which was a very rainy year) with his buddy Tim and the Ostroms. |
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Gaidin53 |
Explore the Backcountry does as well. I think they do the opposite side on the last falls so you can see the honbitesque boulder moss field. Just search Kopka and wabakimi and you’ll see the videos. Ryan |
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rpettit |
Had a similar experience on the Yum Yum portage five years ago - had to lower the canoes with painters down a cliff face. The Billy Goat sounds like a more extreme version. Snowpack was (or is, I suppose, as it can't yet be ice out) high this season in that part of Ontario, so I'm expecting high water levels in early June. That will make some of the fast water a little faster. Still have to look after the kevlars. Pleasantly surprised to learn that Kevin Callan paddled the Kopka - I've learned a lot from his books and presentations. Thanks to you both for the advice and I will look for the links. |
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Gaidin53 |
If we went into Cliff lake we’d in general have the water flow in our favor most of the trip. We’d gain some really gnarly portages though! Ryan |
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Sparkeh |
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jcavenagh |
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tomo |
The other rapids on the Kopka were manageable or portagable, depending. Beautiful stretch of river. Being solo, I opted for the mossy boulder portage and not the ropes portage near the end. |
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Gaidin53 |
Bruce Hyer has been at this the last few years representing his business Wabakimi Outfitters. He is a wealth of information and if you book with him he provides you with detailed maps once you pick a route. Which he helps you with as well. At this time I don’t see him as coming this year though. I’ll update that though since I’m going to be giving him a call to confirm some details on my trip. Ryan |
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jcavenagh |
Sparkeh: "Does anyone have a route they would reccomend that would take around 10 nights accounting for a couple layover days where we will not run across a lot of outposts and motorized vehicles? " When planning you can look at staying on the smaller lakes as much as possible. The fishing camps use the bigger lakes so they can land their planes. I have done trips from the east and west side of the park. It is very difficult to paddle for any length of time and see no fishing outposts. That said, if you go in August or very early Sept. you will see far fewer motor boats than in early summer. Also, we have never had a real issue with the small motor boats that the fishing guides use. They don't create big wakes or a lot of noise. There are a few entry points on the west side that are drive-up for self outfitted paddlers. We have really enjoyed the west side of the park these last few trips. There are a few outfitters who service the west side and I believe they might be a tad less expensive for fly-in service. |
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Gaidin53 |
I’m planning on doing the Allenwater up into Whitewater lake and back out little Caribou. Beginning of August for 14 days. Still mulling over route a little bit. Debating on routing through Whiteclay lake down into Cliff lake instead. Come out Pikitigushi instead. In order to do that though in the time we have we’d have to miss part of the Allenwater and get dropped off further north. Basically not start at the Allenwater bridge but start up at Termite or Brennan lakes instead. Thinking Kopka in 2024 depending on how this trip goes. Ryan |
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Wabawho |
Reading this thread on this route has me wondering what "crowded" in Wabakimi means :) |
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jillpine |
Sparkeh: "Does anyone have a route they would reccomend that would take around 10 nights accounting for a couple layover days where we will not run across a lot of outposts and motorized vehicles? " There are 44 outposts in Wabakimi PP. If you don't want to see motorboats, avoid those lakes. Or simply paddle quickly through them and recognize that outposts were grandfathered in as part of the decision-making process that went into the early stages of the provincial park planning process. Locations of the outposts are marked on the newly updated Friends of Wabakimi planning map, which is for sale ($27 amer) at the FOW website. Also available are pdf maps for rapid download. The trip planning webinar is recorded and available at the same website. And, to directly answer your specific question, if you want one-one guidance, email here: info@wabakimi.org and put "trip planning help sought" in the subject line. The expedition committee of FOW will help connect you to an experienced member for help with your route plan. Best wishes for your paddling adventures! |
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BeavertailPaddle |
Sparkeh: That is the exact route we are looking at. The little Caribou loop via Berg River, Ogoki River and whitewater lake. " We did that loop last summer for our first trip to Wabakimi. We hired Clem Quenville to watch our cars, but otherwise our trip was entirely DIY. For what's worth, here's our short TR: https://bwca.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=forum.thread&threadId=1302337&forumID=112&confID=1&vt=1662722347 One caveat about our daily mileage, we like to think we make time to stop and smell the flowers, but we don't fish, and only needed to leap-frog portage for the first two or three days on this trip. With the exception of a short swift on the Caribou River, because we ran the Berg and the Ogoki on the same day, we really only had one day of river running on this loop. The Berg is pool-drop and last August all the rapids had easy-to-find portages. Last summer was a high-water year so we felt confident enough to run a couple of the drops with our kevlar lake canoes (we allowed our teenage daughters to run one drop that we walked in the royalex canoe they were paddling). With the high water, the Ogoki was pushy in the swifts/class I rapids above the more formidable rapids we clearly wanted to portage just west of Whitewater Lake. We were happy to have decent eddy-hopping skills there. Otherwise, on our trip, for our group, wind on Smoothrock and, especially, Whitewater probably challenged our risk-assessment and paddling skills more than the river running we did on the loop. By persistent and dogged digging around online last spring, we were able to find a great deal of good information about the route in other paddler's TRs on other cites, youtube, etc. |
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deerfoot |
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rpettit |
@Gaidin53 crowding can be a Thing, can't it. June 2020 in the BWCAW (early pandemic), we had to compete for campsites (Lake One --> Snowbank). June 2022 in Quetico we did not have to compete for campsites (Beaverhouse --> French). June paddles are a tradeoff: no blueberries and more insects but (most years, anyway) fewer people. But no guarantees. I just hope - no snow! Thanks to everybody who has responded. Hugely helpful. Best regards, R. |
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rpettit |
I'd like to think I'm a reasonably experienced paddler. I've paddled in Quetico and Boundary Waters a few times. I've paddled Wabakimi before - Allanwater Bridge to Boiling Sands via Wabakimi Lake in June 2019. This June (2023) we're paddling part of the Kopka. Put in at Uneven, take out at Bukamiga. Not ambitious in distance terms, but it's the trip we're looking to do this year. If anybody has paddled that section of the Kopka and has tips or recommendations, I'd be most grateful if you'd share them. Best regards, R. |
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sns |
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Gaidin53 |
So how busy was it getting through the Kopka? I had heard that 1 individual had issues with a lot of campsites being filled. I would have thought this area with the gnarly portages would be less busy. We had some debate on if people aren’t coming in from downstream on Bukemiga. I’m just thinking for next year. Ryan |
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tomo |
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