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Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: How Far Away Are You From BWCA/Q?
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| Abbey |
boonie: "For those who own a canoe, but rent instead of bring it, I'm curious about your reasons . . . ?" I own a heavy Old Town tripping canoe and an Old Town Pack royalex. I have taken the heavy Old Town on trips with minimal portages, but I usually just rent. Have strongly considered buying a Kevlar, but the trips have been with two or three people and the flexibility to rent what fits the trip has been great. It’s also nice to avoid driving with a canoe even though we are “only” 250 miles to Ely. My kids are 4 & 6, so that has also kept me from buying as the needs will change over the next handful of years as they start to paddle for real. I also like contributing the rental to the outfitters since I have everything else. I usually get one trip per year of 5-6 days on the water, so it would be 4-5 years to pay back a used Kevlar (when factoring depreciation, resale, etc). It’s also convenient to never need to do Kevlar canoe maintenance...for now. |
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| mschi772 |
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| WonderMonkey |
boonie: "I drive about 1200 miles one way. I prefer driving to flying for all the reasons andym mentioned along with a couple of others, but I'm no longer limited to 1 week between 2 weekends. I've gone every year since 2006. I rent a canoe, but have all other gear. If I had someplace to store a canoe I'd consider buying one and using around here." I live in a small plat and hang my kayaks on the ceiling of my garage. I'm having a "shed" built but putting an overhang on the back so I can store kayaks and canoe (potentially) on the back. I'll cover them anyway but a overhang will help. |
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| 4keys |
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| nctry |
LindenTree: "Two hours for me from Duluth, I feel very fortunate to be that close after reading some of these posts. You earned that privilege Linden! |
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| johno |
pescador: "5,530 miles. As the crow flies. " Wow, I feel like such a wimp with my measly 2,100 miles :) |
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| yellowcanoe |
And I have to pass some supreme Northern Ontario paddling before getting to Q. I live a couple of hours from the Allagash.. |
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| PortageKeeper |
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| BSW |
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| mjmkjun |
tpothen: "I'm 230 miles from Ely but am working on a move to Grand Marais. Have all my own gear but have a wife that also likes going on trips so buying everything was an easy sell." You are living up to your signature line's bit-of-wisdom. Good luck and I'm a bit envious. I have often wondered what Grand Marais is like outside the busy tourist season. |
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| AmarilloJim |
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| BearBurrito |
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| BlueSkiesWI |
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| andym |
Our drive is 32 hours of road time. So we fly. I think you are at a crossover point. Driving will make it much easier to take your gear due to baggage limits on planes. We used to ship our gear and that was a pain. Also, most people who fly in go to MSP and rent a car. So that’s an added expense. At your distance, I think I would drive. Anything fun to do for a stop enroute? |
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| mjmkjun |
On one trip I packed an extra tent and car camped at same campgrounds that I normally stop at on the route to and from. Gas mileage was better, of course, but drive time didn't change significantly. Been doing this trek since 2008 and had to skip BWCA trip on two years. My name is Mike. I am addicted. ;-) Buy a used canoe in great shape and save yourself some $$ for the yearly treks. I got a darn good deal on a used UL Prism in 2008. You just have to allocate funds, be patient and bide your time looking at listings. A bargain is bound to come your way. |
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| LindenTree |
5,000 miles from Isreal, that is unreal. |
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| HowardSprague |
AtwaterGA: "We first drove up in 1978 from South Georgia to the Quetico near Atikokan. Drove up again several times as the boys were growing up. Have not missed a year since 1991. It is approximately 1700 miles. When we retired we purchased a rustic cabin near French Lake entrance to the Quetico. We flew up for the first time last year. Driving up it is approximately a 27 hour drive. Flying up caused us to miss our annual canoe trip into the Quetico. Did not have our packs, sleeping bags and other camping equipment. Don't know about next year. May fly. - And I've been enjoying your posts for probably,.... 15 years! Cabin - how cool! Where do you fly into? Thunder Bay? |
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| GeoFisher |
901 miles to Ely. Google says 14 hrs, but again. we've NEVER made 14 hrs. More like 15 or 15.5. First 4-5 years we rented canoes, but brought everything else. Most now have their own kevlar canoes, and we bring our own camping stuff. Usually groups of 4 or 6, but have had as many as 8 or 12, with multiple campsites. If we have big groups, we try to take the same route, but don't generally stay together on the drive up. It was way too hard to caravan and you end up spending way too much extra time during pit stops, adding at least an hr to the total trip. If we only have 4 folks going, and we can get away without a trailer, then we go without the trailer and rent canoes..but not always. Trips where we've used air services like our fly into clay and paddle out, we rented canoes mostly, but a couple guys brought their own. We have picked guys up in Duluth.....In fact my buddy from Connecticut usually flies into Duluth and we pick him up there. If we have only 4 going, he usually flies into Lou and helps drive. He almost always has a lot more expenses, as he ships a lot of stuff to me, has the flight into Duluth and usually rents a hotel for the night. It just depends on what time we plan on getting there. |
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| Stumpy |
I usually figure on 10 hours Except for when my psycho nephew drove, and we made 2 tavern stops, 2 gas/food stops, 1 beer carry out in Two Harbors, and made it in ....7:52 ! * He was sober. |
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| Northwoodsman |
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| QueticoMike |
WonderMonkey: "QueticoMike: "976.54 miles to get to Ely :) Bought my canoe back in 1994 from Piragis Northwoods. That canoe has probably been on about 80 trips to Quetico and the BW. Plus I lived up there in '07 and fished the BW every day from May to October. The canoe has paid for itself many times over. I did an interview with Canoe and Kayak Magazine a few years ago about my canoe, I will add a link below..... I gashed up my Kevlar canoe pretty good last year on the GMR. So it is not advisable. Get a cheap aluminum canoe that can take a beating. I got a used one from Barefoot Canoe in 96 and still have it. It is a 1976 Grumann |
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| QueticoMike |
Selfsuffi: "QueticoMike: "976.54 miles to get to Ely :) Bought my canoe back in 1994 from Piragis Northwoods. That canoe has probably been on about 80 trips to Quetico and the BW. Plus I lived up there in '07 and fished the BW every day from May to October. The canoe has paid for itself many times over. I did an interview with Canoe and Kayak Magazine a few years ago about my canoe, I will add a link below..... I lived in Ely at one point if that helps you out, LOL. |
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| blutofish1 |
WonderMonkey: "My buddy is my wifeblutofish1: " Taking our time, stopping to eat about 15 hours. Not in a hurry." |
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| HowardSprague |
If not for rental cars being expensive out of DLH (seems quite a bit higher than other airports) and the fact that there's a lot of equipment involved and no other real Duluth to Ely transportation, I'd sneak in an extra short trip now & then by flying Chicago to Duluth, which I could do cheaply. So I just drive. As for driving "strategy", I traditionally like to 1) get as much sleep as I can the night before. Easier said than done, maybe sleep from 9pm to anywhere between 1-3am. 2) start the drive very early. The anticipation of the trip makes it relatively easy to get up. Snacks and a thermos of coffee are loaded up. I start in the dark. About the time I start getting a bit drowsy, the sun starts to come up. That, plus the coffee, give me a boost. A few hours later, I'm getting tired again and I stop for gas, breakfast, more coffee and it gives me another boost. Cheese shop stop, gas, approaching north woods, seeing Lake Superior in the distance, entering Minnesota,...all these little things are nice for keeping me going and awake. I roll into Ely in mid-afternoon and have time to get license etc, organize stuff some more, get food and maybe run into a friend or two. Get a full night's sleep before starting the canoe trip in the morning, that catches me up from less sleep the night before. |
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| andym |
BTW, the end of a fall trip is a good time to buy a used canoe from outfitters. You might even be able to arrange that beforehand. |
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| benr0 |
Like to stop in Duluth over night, take time getting to outfitter next day. To much outdoor beauty to fly by, never disappointed. |
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| WonderMonkey |
bwcadan: "About 13/14 hours. Figure the expense of a canoe whether new or used. Divide by the number of trips you expect to make over the next several years. The per use cost could be less than renting over the years by a lot. The fact you are considering a canoe implies you have a storage plan possible." I do have a storage plan and I'm also looking for opportunities to use it when I'm not in BW or the Q. I do feel that needs change year to year then rental is an option but that would be me reacting to OTHERS needs and bearing the cost. I don't mind that to a point, but I'd rather be a bit more locked in. |
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| WonderMonkey |
Basspro69: "I think it depends how much you canoe away from the Bwca Q I rent a canoe even though I’m only about 5 hours away because I use a boat and rarely canoe outside the Bwca ." That's one thing I'm looking at. |
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| WonderMonkey |
mrballast: " Thanks for all that. I'm most certainly deliberate, to the point of irritating my fellow trip-goers. I'm that way until it decided what we do then I continue on my own. Once we arrive it's relaxing time because I know I've put in the work. |
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| Pilgrimpaddler |
boonie: "For those who own a canoe, but rent instead of bring it, I'm curious about your reasons . . . ?"C I rent because my canoe weighs about 90 lbs. The square stern is great for a small outboard motor but I have no desire to portage that heavy beast. |
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| moosedoggie |
We usually take two travel days though we have done it straight through. We get to Ely around lunch of the second day, hit Zup's for stocking up on food and spend the night at the outfitters. Leave early the next morning. We all have canoes but we leave them at home and rent our boats. All of our other gear is brought with us, paddles, packs, tents, kitchen, etc.... We just find the driving easier not having to haul our boats. |
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| mgraber |
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| WonderMonkey |
moosedoggie: "1100 or 1200 miles to Ely, depending on which of us you ask. Good thought on not having to haul the boat. I'd have to give that thought. Would be good to rent a fresh boat each time. |
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| johndku |
We flew the first time, that ended up being a pain. No direct flights to Duluth, pain in the rear to check our rods and other minimal gear we had then, had to connect through O'Hare, fly to Duluth, rent a car, then still had a 3 hour drive. Now we own our own gear, (still rent a just a canoe), commit the extra time and drive. We knock out 80% of our drive and get to Duluth the first day, ensuring a leisurely drive of just a couple of hours the next day, then stay at the bunkhouse and get on the water first thing next morning. Seems like way less stress for us, we just try to enjoy the ride as much as possible. |
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| WonderMonkey |
QueticoMike: "976.54 miles to get to Ely :) Bought my canoe back in 1994 from Piragis Northwoods. That canoe has probably been on about 80 trips to Quetico and the BW. Plus I lived up there in '07 and fished the BW every day from May to October. The canoe has paid for itself many times over. I did an interview with Canoe and Kayak Magazine a few years ago about my canoe, I will add a link below..... Are you an OU Bobcat? My daughter is going there now. Piqua Indian? |
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| quark2222 |
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| WonderMonkey |
johndku: "1,000 miles on the button my house to Seagull Outfitters on the Gunflint from the Cleveland area. Luckily I have a fair amount of gear as my backpack trips gets me a bunch of it. I had considered flying but I also think it would be a pain, as you identified. I'm hoping my friend goes all the time so all of this is a non-event for me. |
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| WonderMonkey |
tobywan: " Shreveport Louisiana to Gunflint, 20 hrs of driving for me in total. Here is what I did. First year was totally outfitted. After that I started to buy everything I needed to outfit myself over the next 5 years except for the canoe. For me it is just easier to rent a canoe each year and not have to deal with transporting it. First trip in 1999 on a whim and have only missed four years since then." I've been slowly buying things myself, but for backpacking. My daughter went to college this year so I'm an empty-nester and can take a whole week just for what I want to do. As it turns out, it's BWCA/Q! |
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| AtwaterGA |
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| Fearlessleader |
we knew it would make sense to buy our own. Just strap it on the rack and go. It will pay for itself. |
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| HayRiverDrifter |
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| Michwall2 |
Don't think that the first thing you need to add to become self-sufficient is the canoe. For the first 2-3 years we were fully outfitted. Everything - all equipment and food. My first step toward self-sufficiency was not a canoe. It was food and food preparation equipment and pack for food. Then I started adding tents and sleeping equipment with packs. My last addition was the canoe and equipment. Then we changed our larger travel vehicle and I needed a trailer to carry the canoe and equipment. Now I am mostly self-sufficient. If I have more than 3 people I will need to rent a canoe. Depending on the number of people, I may also need to rent an canoe pack or a sleeping pad and bag. Just saying that you may find that you can reduce cost of rental enough through doing your own food and having enough of the other equipment. The canoe rental then becomes your largest expense, but it is manageable. You can then choose whether or not you feel the cost of purchase, storage and transport of a canoe is the route you need to take. |
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| salukiguy |
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| Jackfish |
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| Grandma L |
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| bwcasolo |
my drive's up do not even compare to the high stress, go, go, go, mindset we had when i was younger, got to get there fast, etc., etc., etc. enjoy the journey. |
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| Gadfly |
BlueSkiesWI: "All of these comments are making me more thankful I live less than 500 miles away! Was thinking the same thing although I'm less than 200. Didn't realize how many people are coming from such a distance. I still feel I live too far away, the dream is to someday live in that area. |
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| boonie |
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| TrailZen |
When 18' canoes hit the 42# range, we started renting again, and played with a couple Wenonahs and a couple Northstars before buying a lightly-used Northstar Northwind 17 after our 2017 year's Quetico trip. Love the boat, and use it locally--we're doing three nights in Okefenokee Swamp next month, and do day trips on local lakes. Renting lets you play with lots of different gear, while owning saves you some money after you find gear you like. And driving gives you all the packing and personal gear advantages others have already listed. I hope your first visit is as wonderful as mine was--we've been visiting for 40 years now, and hope we have many more visits in our future. |
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| ozarkpaddler |
Gosh, I wouldn't change owning and customizing my own canoes and equipment. That's in MY humble opinion. |
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| Banksiana |
Spent a lot of time making the drive from Minneapolis for the first couple of years after college and opted to move to the area. Great place to live, somewhat difficult place to make a living. Mighty fine if you prefer spending time outdoors over spending. |
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| TrailZen |
boonie: "For those who own a canoe, but rent instead of bring it, I'm curious about your reasons . . . ?" When we could drop our combined portage weight by ~20#, we started renting until we found a lighter canoe we liked. We single-walk portages, so moving from a 60# Old Town Columbia to a 41# Northwind 17 allowed each of us to shed almost 10 pounds of portage weight... The Northwind will be on our Outback for our 2018 (August-September?) Quetico trip. And we lost another pound with a titanium cook set. (Do I sound like a weight-weenie??!!) |
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| Basspro69 |
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| mjmkjun |
WonderMonkey: "4keys: "We are 6-8 hours away. We have all our own gear and drive up the night before we enter. " Me too. I tried pushing it one time with 14 hrs of driving and ended up with an awful backache that lasted well into next day. That was my last attempt at earlier-than-expected arrival. For the long hours on the road driving solo, those audiobooks are a godsend. That and 5 hrs energy drinks for a pick-up. Those little bottles can be repurposed for shampoo, fuel, honey, baking soda, and other stuff. Never had one leak yet. |
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| WonderMonkey |
4keys: "We are 6-8 hours away. We have all our own gear and drive up the night before we enter. " Eight hours is my over/under, usually. Anything over that and I start to struggle. I'm not one of those guys who can drive all night. That's when I'm alone. |
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| nctry |
WonderMonkey: "4keys: "We are 6-8 hours away. We have all our own gear and drive up the night before we enter. " I’m not much for driving either... haha. To the BW I’m 100 miles to piragis. With the availability of picking up permits at outfitters I can leave home at five and be well up the trail and on the water by eight or nine. Unless I stop at brittons for breakfast... that sets me back. Haha! No matter where I lived I would have found a way to get in canoe trips in the BW and Woodland Caribou. |
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| DrBobDerrig |
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| WonderMonkey |
AmarilloJim: "1250 miles one way to Ely for me and I take my own canoe. I enjoy the time on the road away from work, although XM radio has made it much nicer. My only concern is getting my canoe stolen in a motel parking lot if I happen to stay overnight somewhere. I try to park near the hotel lobby under lights or just outside my window." When I go on trips with my bicycle I bring it indoors. Easier to do with a motel. |
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| Pinetree |
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| inspector13 |
240 miles (~4hrs) to nearest EP from primary residence, or 50 miles (~1hr) to same EP from cabin. Owning and storing a lightweight canoe is no longer a priority for me, so I need to rent. I have everything else, including paddles. |
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| Davkumi |
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| bct |
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| Captn Tony |
Ely is 7 hrs. & 14 min. (467.5 Mi.) I usually take off after work & drive all night. I own almost all my own equipment but usually get a tow to get a early start and get as far in the bdub as possible. Looking to upgrade my depth finder & purchase a used bear barrel with a harness. |
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| QueticoMike |
WonderMonkey: "QueticoMike: "976.54 miles to get to Ely :) Bought my canoe back in 1994 from Piragis Northwoods. That canoe has probably been on about 80 trips to Quetico and the BW. Plus I lived up there in '07 and fished the BW every day from May to October. The canoe has paid for itself many times over. I did an interview with Canoe and Kayak Magazine a few years ago about my canoe, I will add a link below..... Yes, I graduated from OU. Not a Piqua Indian. I'm a Sidney Lehman Cavalier. No catholic high schools in Piqua. |
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| DeanL |
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| WonderMonkey |
blutofish1: "WonderMonkey: "My buddy is my wife "blutofish1: " Taking our time, stopping to eat about 15 hours. Not in a hurry." Excellent! My wife says "Nah, go have fun." |
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| bwcadan |
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| AmarilloJim |
The Great Outdoors: "A little over 1/2 mile!! :)" Smart aleck. I'm jealous. |
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| bfurlow |
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| Jaywalker |
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| moray |
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| WonderMonkey |
Do you that live at a distance just rent each time and fly up, or do you just suck it up and do the drive yearly? |
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| overthehill |
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| Mnpat |
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| The Great Outdoors |
AmarilloJim: "The Great Outdoors: "A little over 1/2 mile!! :)" :) |
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| WonderMonkey |
andym: "Anything fun to do for a stop enroute?" The smart thing to do, of course, is to rent and be sure. What fun is that? What DOES sound fun is buying the property! I think I would be power driving back to save a vacation day. If I always took someone with me then the drive there and back is just time and not effort, but I'm thinking I may go solo here and there. I think it's a good idea to make some friends to store my canoe there but I don't think I could resist using it and exploring lakes (not as nice as bwca/Q) around me for long weekends. Basically I think I could reserve five days of vacation each year to do these trips. That means leaving after work on Friday and getting there either late Friday night or Saturday if I had to pull over and sleep. I COULD go in late (Noon) Saturday and camp reasonably close. I'd then come out later the following Saturday and start my drive home. |
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| SaganagaJoe |
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| jcavenagh |
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| 520eek |
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| blutofish1 |
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| tobywan |
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| WonderMonkey |
QueticoMike: "976.54 miles to get to Ely :) Bought my canoe back in 1994 from Piragis Northwoods. That canoe has probably been on about 80 trips to Quetico and the BW. Plus I lived up there in '07 and fished the BW every day from May to October. The canoe has paid for itself many times over. I did an interview with Canoe and Kayak Magazine a few years ago about my canoe, I will add a link below..... Thanks for the link, I'll read that in just a bit. A local place I like to deal with is a Northstar dealer, Mr. Bell's 'new' company. I was in there drooling all over them the other day. Good thing they are water proof. |
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| WonderMonkey |
andym: "Ours first trip started from Batavia, IL. Our friends there used the following strategy. Finish packing on Friday evening, leave house in time to stop at Dunkin Donuts when it opens on Saturday, drive to Ely in time to pick up permit with a stop in Wisconsin to buy cheese, enter first thing Sunday morning, exit Saturday midday, shower in Ely, drive until tired, grab a motel room, finish drive on Sunday. They are a bit closer than you but that was how they maximized the length of the trip with only 5 days off. Though my trip is about 4 hrs longer, that's about my schedule. If I can get my local backpacking buddy to go with me each year the drive there will be bearable. My main hesitation is the drive THERE on a solo trip. Of course if the place is awesome enough I'll MAKE the time. And yes, I think an early September trip may be a decent time to negotiate a deal on a boat. I already know what I THINK I want, and hopefully they are part of a rental fleet. |
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| MHS67 |
I still have some family in Wisconsin so I will visit them while back there. While waiting for my wife, here at home, at a book store I picked up a magazine, The BW Journal, read the first story and new I had to go there. I have camped and backpacked all my life, so I new I would like canoe camping. Before my first trip I bought a canoe and some gear I didn't already have. That summer I loaded the truck, camper, canoe and gear and headed east. It takes me about 4 or 5 days of driving to get to Wis. Right at 2500 miles. Then up to the BW. I usually stay for a week. Then head for home. I am usually gone for a month. By the time I get home I'm right around 6000 miles. I was very lucky to have a job and the time in grade to be able to take that much time off. I also use my canoe here at home on the local lakes. Be patient and the right canoe will come along. Good luck! |
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| mrballast |
Only thing we "have to" buy on arrival is bait and permit, but some northwoods gear is hard to find in TN...so we shop a little. The point here is, we haul our own canoes. One or two, atop our Suburban. No problems, ever. (Knock on wood). Just check your tie-downs/straps while gas is pumping. We usually spend a night somewhere between Superior, WI and Ely/Grand Marais, so we get an early start on morning of EP date. Outfitter bunks can be a great option. Depending on the trip itenerary, I wouldn't feel responsible driving straight through then putting in on the water, unless you have at least four drivers to share the drive. You want to enjoy it, not be wiped out before you start. Remember, pets or small kids are almost a bigger job than driving, so account for that in driver energy levels. Renting vs buying...We bought a good condition used kevlar 4 seater from an outfitter. It paid for itself within the next 3 to 4 years, by not having to rent. If you take a friend, they will sometimes chip in extra gas to ride in your canoe, since they don't have to rent. Win-win. Whatever you do, just be deliberate. One or two trips a year, means precious time on the water. Know what you want each trip, and plan and research in the off season so you aren't disappointed. |
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| tpothen |
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| HighnDry |
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| WonderMonkey |
mjmkjun: " My name is also Mike, and I'm theoretically addicted, but not for real until I prove it! I'm going to look at our local listings to see what is available in my area. I would be shocked if there was much but I'm hoping to be surprised. I don't know if I could buy one without seeing it first. Of course when I go in September that may be at the end of the season for outfitters in and around Ely, so I may have a large selection. |
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| boonie |
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| WonderMonkey |
blutofish1: " Taking our time, stopping to eat about 15 hours. Not in a hurry." Sounds like more that one person. I'm hoping to get a consistent canoe buddy. |
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| The Great Outdoors |
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| WonderMonkey |
quark2222: "Around 500 miles from the far NW suburbs of Chicago (home of the worst place kicker in the NFL). Gunflint adds around 50 miles maybe. Lovely drive. Put on some Bruce Hornsby or the Grateful Dead on the CD player, and I am good after the Rush Limbaugh show ends at 2 pm. I watched that game, I felt bad for that guy. I didn't have an NFC team for a long time until my backpack buddy invited me to his home state to go to a ..... Packer's game. Sorry. Well not this year I suppose. Music would be my constant companion on a drive and I may have to bust out some singing to make it. |
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| WonderMonkey |
QueticoMike: "976.54 miles to get to Ely :) Bought my canoe back in 1994 from Piragis Northwoods. That canoe has probably been on about 80 trips to Quetico and the BW. Plus I lived up there in '07 and fished the BW every day from May to October. The canoe has paid for itself many times over. I did an interview with Canoe and Kayak Magazine a few years ago about my canoe, I will add a link below..... @QueticoMike I've wondered if the type of canoe you have can be taken on the Great Miami, or the Little Miami, without smashing them to bits. |
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| WonderMonkey |
Michwall2: I have everything except for a few base camp like items such as a fryer pan and other such things. Otherwise I am finding tremendous similarities between the backpack camping I do and canoe camping. Obviously I'll be going longer and will need more food. However .... solid advice, and I appreciate it. I'm hearing more that one person who rented a few times to get a feel for what's what and then go from there. |
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| Selfsuffi |
QueticoMike: "976.54 miles to get to Ely :) Bought my canoe back in 1994 from Piragis Northwoods. That canoe has probably been on about 80 trips to Quetico and the BW. Plus I lived up there in '07 and fished the BW every day from May to October. The canoe has paid for itself many times over. I did an interview with Canoe and Kayak Magazine a few years ago about my canoe, I will add a link below..... Mike - I always thought you were a Minnesota boy, I didn't realize you were from Ohio. I loved the article from Miss Molly that you dropped the link to. I think I might have just discovered a serious roadblock for our friendship though.....I am a die hard Michigan fan. LOL At least we share a love of water, fish and quiet beautiful spaces outdoors. |
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| boonie |
Jaywalker: "Reading this thread, I'm feeling incredibly fortunate to be just about 4 hours drive to either Ely or Grand Marais, if I don't stop to screw around somewhere that is - which I usually do. " If I stop to screw around somewhere, Jaywalker, it's on the 3rd day! :) |
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| riverrunner |
I own all my own gear never rented a single item. I own 7 canoes. Need to buy a new tent my 20 year old one is starting to have problems. Any thing under a thousand miles I would drive if spending a longer then a week I mostly drive from any place in the lower 48. Flying has become such a hassle. |
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| QueticoMike |
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| pescador |
I bring only clothes and fishing gear. The outfitter does a great job regarding meals , permits, canoe and camping gear renting. |