Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: Well thats cold
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x2jmorris |
KarlBAndersen1: "x2jmorris: "KarlBAndersen1: "I have found - on two occasions - that the pfd is not all about whether or not you can swim. On a nice day I would treat a flip just like going for a swim...yes that is my reference. I do have others in the canoe. They can choose what they wish and low wind days temps above 50 it doesn't feel needed. The life jacket isn't far away if needed. Temps below 40 and or high wind yeah I agree that a pfd is a smart move. |
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straighthairedcurly |
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KarlBAndersen1 |
x2jmorris: "KarlBAndersen1: "I have found - on two occasions - that the pfd is not all about whether or not you can swim. Seriously? Sounds like you're just talking about going for a swim on a hot day. Now have another person in the canoe for whom you are responsible and 2-3 loaded packs out in the middle of a lake. The original post included a wife and gear. And they had boys who also learned from the happening. Inexperienced? At 65 I have the luxury of plenty of experience of going to many funerals of people who should not have died. When death is a possibility - ALWAYS stack the deck in your favor. |
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gravelroad |
One thing I learned years ago – don't stuff a PFD's pockets with anything that won't clear a gunwale while you're grabbing the far one. Don't ask me how I know ... |
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lundojam |
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burrow1 |
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x2jmorris |
heypaddler: "Good on you for wearing your life jacket. It never ceases to amaze me how many people I see up in the BW not wearing their life jackets. It's unsafe, irresponsible, stupid, illegal, and pretty much the only reason you'll die up there. It is not illegal. You just have to have them in the canoe and accessible. |
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GopherAdventure |
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x2jmorris |
mgraber: "What about a nice day and water that is 40 degrees? Personally I think that you are stupid(sorry), but you are entitled to your opinion. I am extremely experienced, an excellent swimmer, have been in a canoe for almost 40 years and I wouldn't canoe without a PFD. That is based on several experiences that taught me what can happen. Seeing a competitive swimmer almost drown 100 yds from shore will wake you up. Do you think that you can chase down a drifting canoe? You might be surprised. How far can you swim in 50 deg water? You might be surprised. Anyway, not really here to start an argument, just be safe everyone." I mean putting people down and then saying you don't want to start an argument is counter intuitive. Just because I'm not a worry wort doesn't mean I'm not prepared for those scenarios. |
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x2jmorris |
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heypaddler |
For those reading who don't wear theirs ALL THE TIME, please consider changing your habits. |
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heypaddler |
x2jmorris: "heypaddler: "x2jmorris: "heypaddler: "Correct, illegal not to have them in the boat. Stupid, irresponsible, arrogant, poor example to others, etc., to not have your PFD on at all times. " I prefer the term arrogant. It's not like wearing a PFD is all that restrictive, especially the newer ones that really take arm movement into account for design. I am confident as well, but understand and respect that mother nature and chaos theory sometimes have other plans. |
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x2jmorris |
heypaddler: "x2jmorris: "heypaddler: "x2jmorris: "heypaddler: "Correct, illegal not to have them in the boat. Stupid, irresponsible, arrogant, poor example to others, etc., to not have your PFD on at all times. " k |
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heypaddler |
x2jmorris: "heypaddler: "x2jmorris: "heypaddler: "x2jmorris: "heypaddler: "Correct, illegal not to have them in the boat. Stupid, irresponsible, arrogant, poor example to others, etc., to not have your PFD on at all times. " Arrogance confirmed. |
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paddlinjoe |
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SevenofNine |
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Canoearoo |
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KarlBAndersen1 |
When your feet are not on the bottom of the lake and you are NOT wearing the pfd, righting the canoe or handling gear dumped overboard is nearly impossible. Don't be foolish - wear it. Always. |
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burrow1 |
Boy, that can happen so fast. My wife was trying to push the canoe sideways to miss a big submerged rock that I couldn't see and missed or slipped off the one she was trying to use as leverage and over we went. And yes, we always have our life jackets on. Was a very good lesson for our boys not to get too complacent. |
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mgraber |
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x2jmorris |
timatkn: "What helps me when posting or interacting with people is to sometimes think about “what result do I want from this post?” "Looks like nothing is going to change Everything still remains the same" |
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timatkn |
It often makes me re-write or not post. I am not perfect doesn’t work every time :) I’d just ask what purpose did the last 5 posts serve? Is anyone happier or gonna change? T |
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SevenofNine |
I was always amazed how the water temp wasn’t an issue... until you try to stand up after being in it. Haha. Even if you just know you can swim, just having your pfd on can give you kind of a break." Ben, my former tripping partner who neared 300 lbs was notorious for tipping/swamping his canoe as he got in. I was just unfortunate enough not to get it on film. :-) |
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x2jmorris |
KarlBAndersen1: "I have found - on two occasions - that the pfd is not all about whether or not you can swim. Respectfully disagree. If you are inexperienced or in bad weather yes wear it. But calm days I'm not concerned at all. I wear just shorts in good weather and if it tips I'm just swimming like normal. Bad weather I stay close to shore. I don't know I get that it can be dangerous but I've been on the water all my life and feel I can judge it well. |
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nctry |
SevenofNine: "Glad that it was a shallow water immersion and you retained all your gear. Tipping your canoe is often pretty fast. A lot of the times I have come close to doing it or actually tipping was when I was getting into or out of the canoe. It happens fast." And the bigger we are the faster we fall... in. I was always amazed how the water temp wasn’t an issue... until you try to stand up after being in it. Haha. Even if you just know you can swim, just having your pfd on can give you kind of a break. |
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x2jmorris |
heypaddler: "Correct, illegal not to have them in the boat. Stupid, irresponsible, arrogant, poor example to others, etc., to not have your PFD on at all times. " Or just a person doing their own thing without caring what others think ;) |
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x2jmorris |
heypaddler: "x2jmorris: "heypaddler: "Correct, illegal not to have them in the boat. Stupid, irresponsible, arrogant, poor example to others, etc., to not have your PFD on at all times. " I prefer the term confident |
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timatkn |
x2jmorris: "heypaddler: "Correct, illegal not to have them in the boat. Stupid, irresponsible, arrogant, poor example to others, etc., to not have your PFD on at all times. " X2jmorris, I get why people telling you to wear a life jacket is preachy and annoying. I used to be like you too...a few of us have had friends like you and me...unfortunately some of those people aren't around anymore... I think that is where some of the passion in the replies are coming from. I am sorry they are probably having the opposite affect because of the tone but it is still good advice. Can't force ya to change but please reconsider. T |
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heypaddler |
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heypaddler |
x2jmorris: "heypaddler: "Correct, illegal not to have them in the boat. Stupid, irresponsible, arrogant, poor example to others, etc., to not have your PFD on at all times. " So you think it's fair to the rescuers who have to find your body? Fair to the loved ones you leave behind who worry? Yeah, a person doing their own thing but it doesn't happen inside a vacuum. Your actions (or inactions) affect other people. You're arrogant. |