Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: Mostly useless trip items
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Spartan2 |
muddyfeet: "Spartan2: "Going 'way, 'way back for this one. Well. . .I just looked up the Oco Candle Lantern and if I had had one of those I might feel differently. Ours was from 1971, was just a folding metal thing that fastened with a little clip that would come undone easily (and dump the candle out.) When it was put together it resembled a little "house" in shape, with a metal roof. I always felt it was dangerous to use. The light was pretty, and I enjoyed warm glow, too, but it just wasn't practical for us. |
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nofish |
Savage Voyageur: "ZaraSp00k: "I came to realize my fishing rod and gear was the most useless, and consequently rarely bring it anymore" And oddly I like to bring a lot of fishing gear despite my name. |
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jillpine |
3 pounds of bear barrel crap in 2017 (using Ursack now) 37 pounds of human fat: 2018 24 pounds of canoe and 5 pounds of tent in 2019. Tilting toward the fishing gear for 2020. |
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Frenchy |
I guess as long as my back can still carry them, they will continue to make the trip. |
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TomT |
jillpine: "I'm pretty amazed at the no compass crowd. How do you navigate a lake like insula or little sag? " I rarely if ever use a compass. It got me in trouble leaving Burt Lake last year but I just match islands and points to the map. I carry 2 though but sometimes never use them. It also helps if you are following someone who knows the route as I did last year on Basswood. Pineknot (also solo) made it easy for me as we traversed its length. |
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Savage Voyageur |
jillpine: "I'm pretty amazed at the no compass crowd. How do you navigate a lake like insula or little sag? " Last few trips the maps and compass had not come out of the pack. I use my GPS because it has a moving map. It also has an electric compass in it. I still bring a map and compass just in case. |
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straighthairedcurly |
Too many GoPro accessories. And they were packed in a stupidly bulky, awkward container. Too up too much room and made accessing that pack difficult. I actually increased the type of items I carried for 1st aid this year, mostly because of the type of trip we did and the people along. I used more of it than I thought. |
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nctry |
awbrown: "Big first aid kit. All I've ever used are band aids and Tylenol. So I trimmed that down considerably." That’s what impressed me the most about the wilderness first responder course I took. In a scenario your given a small bag of basics and sent to go take care of the worst... you can do a lot with a little. For me??? I just got old and quit going. Haha! My body beat odds for a number of years and I can no longer consider going. One of my biggest blunders is too much cooking stuff. Too much fuel, too much food... too much TP, (In my defense on the TP, I did realize I brought too much crap... haha.). Usually too much canoe! |
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butthead |
jillpine: "I'm pretty amazed at the no compass crowd. How do you navigate a lake like insula or little sag? " Some have an innate sense of compass directions and ability to interpret and remember map features. I'm one of those to the dismay of travel partners. Still bring maps and compass and a GPS (primarily for the tracking). butthead |
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MikeinMpls |
Blatz: "Any fishing gear. I used to be in to it, and brought some gear on my last solo trip. Never saw the light of day. I'm more of a wilderness traveler. Oh and binoculars never left the pack on a couple of trips." Very interesting. I love to hear how others trip. I love my binos. I like how they extend my view of the lake. My wife uses them for birdwatching. They are essential for us. Mike |
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boonie |
nctry: "boonie: "Whether it comes under mostly useless, rarely used, not really necessary, not worth the weight or whatever, I no longer take a lot of the same things as others - no fishing gear, no chair, no candle lantern, no flashlight, no hatchet, no saw, no binoculars, no extra camera gear, no extra pot, pan, utensils . . . AND no solar shower!" Somebody (maybe you) told me to go jump in the lake, Ben, so that's what I do :) |
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minnmike |
salukiguy: "I’ve brought a compass many times but never used it. The maps alone are plenty good enough for navigation." Hmm, I think you made a funny! You must have a freak-of-nature like sense of direction. |
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deerfoot |
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Banksiana |
salukiguy: "I’ve brought a compass many times but never used it. The maps alone are plenty good enough for navigation." Second this. For thirty years. Still bring the compass. |
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salukiguy |
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Tomcat |
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MikeinMpls |
I also used the BWJ poly food box on one trip. Just the box, not Stu's silly "real food, really living" ice box contraption. I thought it might prove more efficient for packing food, but it ended up becoming a liability as the food supply dwindled, because we couldn't use it for other equipment as easily as I had thought. Mike |
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A1t2o |
For the compass discussion, I stopped bringing my heavy military style compass. I simply never use one. I've been on Little Sag too and can't see myself getting so turned around that I would dig the compass out. If you pay attention to where you have been and keep an eye on the map so you recognize landmarks then you will always know where you are. If you are fishing then you will be watching contour maps. I'll usually still bring a little cheap compass for emergencies, but I don't use it. The only times that I am on the water and need more than a printed map, is duck hunting when we are navigating a few hours before dawn. The one time we did take the wrong portage, a compass would not have helped. We simply missed the correct bay and took the wrong portage going in generally the same direction. It wasn't until the lake dead ended instead of continuing around the bend that we realized our mistake. |
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butthead |
I also carry a PLB never used it. Will not leave it behind either. Just a coment for consideration on this topic. butthead |
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Spartan2 |
A folding candle lantern. I think we took it on probably our first five or six trips. Of course, back then we hadn't heard of headlamps. Even so, it was much too dangerous to keep in the tent, and didn't make enough light for outdoors. I was happy when I finally got a headlamp--using a flashlight was always inconvenient. Probably still have that candle lantern somewhere, but is definitely useless. |
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missmolly |
MikeinMpls: "I brought a small battery operated fan one year. It just happened to be during a record heat wave... like 90+ in May, maybe 10 years ago. It was disgustingly hot, Africa hot, with zero wind. The fan ran on four D-cells, so it was heavy. And while it was modestly pleasant, it just did not push out enough wind to make the heat any less bearable. I don't know where it is now. Same with the battery-powered fan. Just too big and heavy to justify again. |
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missmolly |
Spartan2: "Going 'way, 'way back for this one. Good one, Linda. Those single candle "lanterns" were worthless. |
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Cc26 |
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Learningtofly |
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dex8425 |
The stuff we do bring that sometimes doesn't get used on a trip: 1. compass 2. extra batteries for the gps After one trip where the etrex batteries died and my wife's Garmin fenix watch also died, I will always throw in two spare lithium batteries. Not for navigation per se, but for recording after the fact so I can post to strava and remember where we went and how far. But also because we're faster following a gpx track than we are navigating with a map. I have to bring the compass for bushwhacking. Especially when navigating pma's. |
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awbrown |
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Savage Voyageur |
Lots of fishing gear has gotten weeded out over the years. I used to bring huge tackle boxes, now just a Plano box, no net. After I bought my Garmin Montana GPS I never take a map or compass out of the pack. Moving maps on my GPS is really nice. After my wife quit going up there, I switched to a hammock, so no more tents go with. I used to bring three or four rods/reels, now I’m down to 2 rods/reels. We put our groups food in pails with gamma seal lids, no more hanging packs. We just leave them around the fire grate with pots on top of them as an alarm. No more long ropes and pulley systems for food packs. |
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Spartan2 |
Spartan1 always had a compass, and used it from time to time. Otherwise, maps were good enough for us. Old-school for old folks, I guess. When we quit tripping we were still using the original aluminum cook kit that we purchased at Canadian Waters after our first trip in 1971. Had replaced the awful 'silverware' with lexan utensils, though. :-) |
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jillpine |
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nctry |
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TreeBear |
Blatz: "Any fishing gear. I used to be in to it, and brought some gear on my last solo trip. Never saw the light of day. I'm more of a wilderness traveler. Oh and binoculars never left the pack on a couple of trips." And I just started packing binoculars this year. I don't use them too often either, but I have a small pocket pair that I keep in a life jacket. I find them handy for finding campsites if I happen to be stuck on a big lake with lots of sites. It helps answer the question "is that site full" without paddling over there. I know that it sounds lazy, but while guiding it really helped save time for "the cool stuff." Ha! |
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TomT |
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ZaraSp00k |
Savage Voyageur: I took the name of it because I bought the lure many decades ago and have never caught anything on it, so I figured taking the name was the only way to get my moneys worth out of it |
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bwcadan |
Another was a traveling partner who did not do anything not suggested by me and then only with attitude. One trip was enough by mutual agreement as he did not want to do anything and I did not need a repeat performance. I have been much more selective as to who goes north from then forward. |
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GopherAdventure |
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Blatz |
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Banksiana |
AussieShep: " Plenty of very clear water in the Quetico for snorkeling. Just need to pick the right route. |
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nctry |
Tomcat: "butthead: "jillpine: "I'm pretty amazed at the no compass crowd. How do you navigate a lake like insula or little sag? " A compass should be as mandatory as a life jacket. And mandatory to know how to use it! I’m guessing many that don’t take one don’t know how to use it with their maps and such. But I suppose if your going up certain routes it's no big deal. But I agree with jackpine jill... there are places you can get turned around or whatever. And ironically little sag is one of those places I had to dig out the compass. Haha! |
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ZaraSp00k |
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MikeinMpls |
missmolly: "Spartan2: "Going 'way, 'way back for this one. I used them for years when I first started tripping in the early 80s. I'd hang one from an adjustable length of 550 cord, so I could "adjust" the brightness. I found it adequate inside a four-person Timberline. Of course headlamps are much more efficient. I still bring the candle lantern, though, in case the headlamp breaks. I also hang it from a branch where I shower. It gives off just enough light to make showering in the dark much easier. Mike |
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MikeinMpls |
nctry: "Ok ok, my favorite one speaking of going way back... we had a guy (and his wife) forgo any extra clothing or even a sleeping bag apiece... for what??? A BOOMBOX... this is eighties... very early eighties. So you can imagine the size. And to our relief he could get nothing! Hahaha! Can you believe they’re still married?" Oh boy. The 80s. Gag me with a spoon. Did either of them bring leg warmers, Zoobas, or Aquanet for their perm? Unsafe (the foregone clothing and sleeping bags) and likely obnoxious. I hope the boombox was kept at a volume level where it didn't impact others experiences. Mike |
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GearGuy |
MikeinMpls: "Blatz: "Any fishing gear. I used to be in to it, and brought some gear on my last solo trip. Never saw the light of day. I'm more of a wilderness traveler. Oh and binoculars never left the pack on a couple of trips." I've been thinking about buying a good set of binos, you just fueled that fire |
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MikeinMpls |
GearGuy: "MikeinMpls: "Blatz: "Any fishing gear. I used to be in to it, and brought some gear on my last solo trip. Never saw the light of day. I'm more of a wilderness traveler. Oh and binoculars never left the pack on a couple of trips." Highly recommend it. We've been able to observe moose, deer, and otters we would not have otherwise seen so keenly. We've also been able to identify things that we thought were moose, but were just an object on a far shore. And, truth be told, I like to watch other canoers... like how they paddle, how they pack, etc. as they pass by. We use full-size Eagle Optics binos. Though they are heavier and bulkier, we have found them more useful than mini-binos I have torso strap that goes around my back and both shoulders that securely holds the binos close to my chest so I can paddle without them hanging down from my neck. The strap is adjustable, of course, so it can fit over my pfd. Investing in such a strap is well worth it. Mike |
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Spartan2 |
MikeinMpls: "missmolly: "Spartan2: "Going 'way, 'way back for this one. This is interesting to me. I still have brought one of the old candles from the set thinking we might want it to help start a fire sometime. But I am sure we gave up on the lantern by the mid-80's. Have never had a headlamp break, and we didn't take showers in the dark. . .(or in the daylight either) so I guess I am not sorry we gave up on the candle lantern. :-) Fun thread. People have very different ideas about gear. As they should. It is all just a matter of opinion. |
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Savage Voyageur |
ZaraSp00k: "I came to realize my fishing rod and gear was the most useless, and consequently rarely bring it anymore" A guy who’s name is a fishing lure not bring any rods/reels??? Surely you jest. |
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Ausable |
butthead: "I bring rhinoceros repellent. Either it's totally useless, or way more effective than I ever considered!" That repellent is not only effective for you, but for me, too! I haven't seen a single rhinoceros in the BWCAW, so whatever it is that you are doing, keep on doing it! My only question: do you slather it on yourself or is it like bear spray? If the former, could you let us know when and where you go to the Bdub/Quetico so that we can try to avoid being downwind of you? Thanks for the laugh :) If I were to list the mostly useless stuff I bring, I suppose it would start with my fishing gear. The cost per fish caught is really high (especially if I include the annual cost of the ridiculously expensive fishing license for non-MN users). The other stuff on the list would be emergency equipment, but that is because I've never had a reason to use it – and I thank God for that! But you'd never be able to pry that stuff away from me. |
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minnmike |
I too have lessened my first aid kit contents some but still bring a lot of stuff thankfully I've never used. I do write the year purchased on everything it so it's easier to go through it and replace old stuff. Still have my old candle lantern but haven't used it in 10-12 years a least. |
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SevenofNine |
Okay so this is about gear so for me the small candle lanterns no longer come along. Usually I do not bring a hatchet any more either as it was hardly used and batoning with a knife is simple enough. |
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bhouse46 |
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boonie |
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carmike |
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Abbey |
I would have to agree with the fishing net for most trips, but our first laker trip saw many lost at boat side. So now depends on the target. Most useless thing now is that extra pack space that could have fit the last flask that we should have brought. |
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nctry |
boonie: "Whether it comes under mostly useless, rarely used, not really necessary, not worth the weight or whatever, I no longer take a lot of the same things as others - no fishing gear, no chair, no candle lantern, no flashlight, no hatchet, no saw, no binoculars, no extra camera gear, no extra pot, pan, utensils . . . AND no solar shower!" We know about the solar shower... they were handing out clothespins in Ely. Haha! |
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srust58 |
Some of the things mentioned by others are things we usually bring along. We use binoculars for stargazing so they come along on trips when we don't have much moon to wash out the sky. Mine are a 7x50 Meibo (Fujinon) from around 1950 Japan. Beautiful optics and construction. A sun shower has been on every trip. We like being clean and use it usually every other day. 2 1/2 gallon size is enough for two with washing hair. Most often we heat water on the fire, a gallon of hot with the rest cold gives a nice hot shower. If we are staying in one place for a few days we can use the sun. We certainly don't want to soap up and jump in the lake so this is a better alternative. It weighs little and rolls up to take little space in the pack. It's the same one from the first trip.....long lasting piece of gear. I can't imagine not taking a compass. To me a watercraft without a compass is not complete. As a lifelong sailor I have spent more time in a sailboat and am just used to having one and using it. It has come in handy many times. One trip we traveled Crooked Lake from Friday Bay to the portage at Curtain Falls in pea soup fog using the compass and a watch. I do have experience navigating in fog from sailing on Lake Superior, much of it on the Canadian north shore well north and east of Thunder Bay. It also can come in handy on island studded lakes likes Insula or crossing a larger body of water aiming for a specific point on a far shoreline without many obvious landmarks. Traveling on misty days when the shoreline may be obscured or landmarks hard to pick out. A compass is like an old friend to me and I like knowing what course I am on.....even when I don't need it. |
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burrow1 |
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LindenTree |
deerfoot: " Recall spending something like $100.00 total for 1 -10’ walleye. " A 10 foot Walleye is nothing to turn your nose up to. I think most fishemen would spend 100 dollars for one that size :-) Compass, I've taken it out a few times in the last 10 years or so, that is when crossing a big lake and I have to hit a point on the otherside 5 miles away exactely at a spot. When I did that, I drew a line on the map before leaving the shore, then I figured out the Azimuth from that line on the map and hit my points on the other side pretty much spot on. |
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CRL |
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mutz |
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Tomcat |
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walllee |
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Captn Tony |
I've taken a basketball net to use as an anchor and never used it, but will continue to take it. Hopefully I'll remember to use it When i find the next honey hole. |
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PatrickE |
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muddyfeet |
Spartan2: "Going 'way, 'way back for this one. It all in perspective, I guess. I love my little uco candle lantern. Especially on a solo, the flicker of light is just enough to see around camp or to read by- and the warm glow is so much more inviting and friendly than the harsh, low spectrum of an led headlamp. Don’t get me wrong- a headlamp has its own strengths and usage and still comes with on trips- but I have come to prefer the UCO candle light. Maybe that’s actually a good answer for me: it is the headlamp that rarely gets taken out of the pack. |
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Tomcat |
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Spartan2 |
It took about a 3/4 inch diameter candle, probably 4" tall or a little taller. And that "clip" on the front just slid in there, meaning that it was very easy to come unhooked. Safe enough on a table or a rock, but it worried me in a tent. |
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mgraber |
mutz: "I’m very surprised at the number who consider fishing equipment to be items no longer needed. For us if we didn’t have fishing equipment we wouldn’t need the canoe." +++1! If I was forced to leave the fishing equipment behind on a trip, I would most likely need therapy when returning home. I can picture myself rocking back and forth and mumbling incoherently:) |
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ZaraSp00k |
jillpine: "I'm pretty amazed at the no compass crowd. How do you navigate a lake like insula or little sag? " maps BTW, the sun and moon are reliable direction indicators. nowadays I plot my course at home and print out maps with my course and refer to them often, for example a recent Woodland Caribou trip I had seven 8x12, it was an out and return trip. Before the internet age I did pretty much the same thing for example when I am at the portage I look at the map and plot out my course, usually a far point, then as I'm approaching that point I refer to the map again, plotting my course, rinse and repeat OK, on a lake like Saganaga or Alpine it is easy to temporarily get lost, and nowadyas I turn on the GPS on to figure out where I am solves it, but again I go back to my maps before the GPS I'd keep paddling using the sun and maps to where I best thought I should be heading, none of the lakes in BWCA, WC, Q,or even Wabakimi are that big that you are going to be lost foever, if you keep moving sooner or later you are going to figure out where yo are, to me that's part of paddling, getting lost and then discovering where you are, let's remember, the original explorers to paddle these areas didn't have maps, and neither did the indigenous people |
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GearGuy |
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straighthairedcurly |
jillpine: "I'm pretty amazed at the no compass crowd. How do you navigate a lake like insula or little sag? " I rarely need a compass on a big lake. I am blessed with a brain that can translate real world info (islands, bays, etc.) into map info very easily, especially on a lake. I always bring a compass, but the only times I have ever used it were when completely fogged in (couldn't see the shoreline at all) and when bushwhacking through the woods (PMA this summer). When I was 14, my camp group was paddling Lake Saganaga. I told my counselor we needed to turn into a big bay to locate the portage. She said I was wrong and the next bay was where we needed to go. I argued briefly and then let her have her way. We paddled an extra few miles to get to her bay. She quietly said, "Um, you were right." She never questioned me again. Fortunately my husband and son have the same ability and so we only rarely have a disagreement about where we are on a lake. I have never had a desire to use a GPS, I think I would just find it annoying. I just love paper maps too much. |
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Stumpy |
I skip the bug dope too. |
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bottomtothetap |
Banksiana: "salukiguy: "I’ve brought a compass many times but never used it. The maps alone are plenty good enough for navigation." +1 |
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AussieShep |
TreeBear: "Blatz: "Any fishing gear. I used to be in to it, and brought some gear on my last solo trip. Never saw the light of day. I'm more of a wilderness traveler. Oh and binoculars never left the pack on a couple of trips." Yeah I agree for exactly that reason. They're a bit heavy and bulky but likely worth it. As for useless...one of my passions is snorkeling. Brought the mask, snorkel and fins on one trip in 2003. Unfortunately, Quetico waters may been clean but they're not necessarily clear. And to my disappointment, there's a disturbing amount of subterranean refuse in the pristine wilderness. Best left unseen. |
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AussieShep |
TreeBear: "Blatz: "Any fishing gear. I used to be in to it, and brought some gear on my last solo trip. Never saw the light of day. I'm more of a wilderness traveler. Oh and binoculars never left the pack on a couple of trips." Yeah I agree for exactly that reason. They're a bit heavy and bulky but likely worth it. As for useless...one of my passions is snorkeling. Brought the mask, snorkel and fins on one trip in 2003. Unfortunately, Quetico waters may been clean but they're not necessarily clear. And to my disappointment, there's a disturbing amount of subterranean refuse in the pristine wilderness. Best left unseen. |