Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: Are YOU an essential worker or business?
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momike |
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cyclones30 |
I work from home as much as I can, but do have to go in from time to time but trying to limit that as much as possible. |
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bfurlow |
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Bearpath9 |
Pinetree: "On the lighter side of things there is going to be a lot of Hippies running around with barber shops and hair salons shut down. Been keeping my hair very short in recent years,I don't know know if all of us want to go back to our hair style of the 1960's or 70's." Geez, I never got mine cut. Still have the pony tail. |
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Pilgrimpaddler |
My daughter was laid-off this week and her husband was also laid off; my oldest son gets two weeks to work from home (paid and with very little actual work) and my youngest son was deemed "essential" by his employer so he has to come in to work, but apparently gets a 20% raise to do so. The "essential worker" designation seems to be very inconsistent from one employer to another; but overall I'm amazed at how everyone seems to be adapting well to the frequent and often dramatic changes we're experiencing. |
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andym |
woodsandwater: "I don't see churches in that list. A very vital service to their people." People are taking their services online and counseling over the phone or video chat. Except one of our friends who does some of her pastoring at a hospital. She’s still in person. The list of essential businesses are not the only ones that can operate. They are the ones that can operate. They are ones that can operate in person as necessary. Others can operate if they can do it remotely. Although that is a big change for religion it can be done. In Judaism there is a principle that if you save one life it is as if you have saved the entire world. That justifies breaking usual rules. My brother-in-law is mourning his father in isolation after returning to Israel from the US after the funeral. That is not the way it is done but it is the way we have to now. |
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justpaddlin |
pswith5: "Never thought as a stockboy I would be essential." You're more than essential. You're a hero. It's painful to see the stress in some of the responses. Some folks are working and wish they weren't and others aren't working and wish they were. I hope this ends soon for everyone's sake. The little girls next door (age 2 and 4) were out on their swingset and wanted to come over and play and I didn't enjoy telling them that we can't. Got out for some essential activity yesterday. Michigan's stay at home order allows outdoor activity (with social distancing) for health. |
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blutofish1 |
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cowdoc |
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Copperdog |
Yinz be well and absolutely paddle and hike whenever you can. I’m coming up in the Fall! Barry |
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BWPaddler |
I have two jobs and one is "essential" and one is not, but my essential job is always work from home, so no change there. Will miss the other income and hope the small business comes through it OK and still needs me. One child is "essential" at a store that supports farmers (livestock and planting) - they are crazy busy this time of year. One child lost two jobs (fitness center and spa both closed) - we think/hope kiddo will be re-employed when or if they re-open. One child lost job at vet clinic - vet being essential, but their boarding business being NOT. They don't know if or when they will be able to re-open that, so they let all related employees go with no promises to return. I hope hope hope we come through this OK as a nation. Hope that projected losses are overestimated and that economy bounces back quickly. BUT, meantime, as an introvert, I am happy to convert all in-person meetings to teleconferences!! And secretly happy that my laptop camera has something on the INSIDE and only shows me as a blurry blob!! |
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VoyageurNorth |
OldFingers57: " I am the Fire Chief and a Paramedic for a small volunteer fire department that responds to EMS calls. We see about 1200 calls per year and 90% of those are EMS calls. Luckily our run volume has been down due to the virus. But I still have to protect myself on EMS calls and have had some where the people are showing signs and symptoms of the virus. Hopefully we all get thru this OK. " Thank you for all you do and what you are going through right now to keep us all safe. Stay safe & well, we appreciate your service! |
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WhiteWolf |
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Savage Voyageur |
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jfinn |
For you essential people, especially those with public contact such as the food/grocery supply chain and medical services, thank you for keeping things going. John |
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blutofish1 |
woodsandwater: "I don't see churches in that list. A very vital service to their people." My church is streaming on Facebook and YouTube. |
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Bearpath9 |
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missmolly |
tg: "I think I fall in the essential category. I'm a physician assistant working as a hospitalist at a couple large Twin Cities hospitals. A month or two from now and I won't have time to make this post. At least right now we have some time to prepare for the tidal wave (and preparing we are!). Now if we had a reassuring supply of PPE, ventilators and weren't way behind in terms of testing I'd feel better about our chances (conservative estimates are we have AT LEAST 10x the number of COVID-19 cases in Minnesota as are currently reported-287). I fully expect to get COVID-19 inspite of all the precautions, and I'm diabetic so I'm hoping for a glancing blow;) Sounds like Minnesotans have been some of the most compliant US citizens with respect to staying at home/social distancing. That gives me hope. Lets keep it up! Paul Wellstone (for the out of state readers he was a MN senator who died tragically in a plane crash in 2002) said "We all do better when we all do better." I agree. Oh, Rich, you stay safe. Please. And thank you so much for standing firm before the coming wave. |
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missmolly |
Bearpath9: "As of 11 A.M., I became non-essential. I retired." Hooray! I've asked many retired people if they had any regrets and I've never heard a single one. I'm retiring bit by bit and when I turn 70, I hope to be entirely retired. What was your profession? |
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merlyn |
My dogs think I'm essential but strangely enough my wife doesn't. Snickers bar anyone? |
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missmolly |
Pinetree: "On the lighter side of things there is going to be a lot of Hippies running around with barber shops and hair salons shut down. Been keeping my hair very short in recent years,I don't know know if all of us want to go back to our hair style of the 1960's or 70's." Given how old most of us are at bwca.com, I suspect that many can't revert to be long hairs. |
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nofish |
Mocha: "in response to NoFish comment.... is that statement you made: The FFCRA is a federal thing. You can read more about it on the Department of Labor website. It may mean slightly different things to each person depending on where you work as not all companies may be included. What I posted was just the bullet points laid out by my HR department so it pertained to my company specifically. Its also possible that there may be some slight inaccuracy in how my HR laid things out for that particular scenario. However, the basics of it being 2 weeks of 100% paid sick leave and 12 weeks of 2/3 pay for qualifying scenarios seems accurate. You'll just need to look at it closer to see if your work qualifies and how your individual scenario fits into it. |
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MikeinMpls |
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Pilgrimpaddler |
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missmolly |
I'm also going to plant some dwarf cherry trees in my little orchard in case the hard times continue for years. I have literally bought tons and tons and tons of topsoil (semi-loads of it) over the last six summers, partly to be able to grow more food if need be. I also have flower gardens that wrap around my house that could become veggie gardens in a pinch and their soil is top notch. I've read that potatoes deliver the most calories. I'm mostly retired. I write for a few magazines still, but I've always done that from home, so the pandemic hasn't changed my work. |
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lindylair |
We have taken many precautions but in the real state the odds are not in our favor. I am astounded by the morale and positive attitude of our employees, many of whom are in the higher risk group. Keeps me going. |
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nofish |
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inspector13 |
Exactly. It is estimated that close to 13% of Americans are alcoholic. And alcohol withdrawal can be deadly. I wonder if the rate in Minnesota is higher or lower than 13%. I sure see a lot of "whisky plates" on the road. |
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riverrunner |
And enjoying every min of it. I have thousands acres to run around where I will see no one else plenty of food and other supplies life goes on. |
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MikeinMpls |
inspector13: " I guess I have heard that, too. I wonder how many chronic inebriates are positive for the virus and are spreading it at liquor stores. Mike |
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justpaddlin |
I'm glad they closed the local YMCA where I work part time. Almost every lifeguard got the regular flu over the winter; members would casually mention that "I think I may have the flu". |
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mr.barley |
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inspector13 |
MikeinMpls: "I guess I have heard that, too. I wonder how many chronic inebriates are positive for the virus and are spreading it at liquor stores. I don’t know but I bet that would be a pre-existing condition for them. Excessive drinking can reduce and impair the function of immune cells, leading to an increased risk for pneumonia. |
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Pinetree |
Also as of yesterday almost 800 Police Officers in New York have the virus. |
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missmolly |
Those people are already at high risk. If the rest of us were milling around, passing the coronavirus to each other, even more of them could get sick, and with hospitals overwhelmed, more of them might die. And some of those kinks in our supply of goods and services could tangle into knots, catastrophically." |
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nofish |
Now how long we can stay open is another issue. With our china factories just coming online we're a few months behind in chinese production with Chinese New Year added in and now our India factories are closing down so we're not going to be getting any new product in for awhile. We'll see how long current inventory holds. |
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bwcadan |
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offroadjeeper |
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motox380 |
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sns |
I expect this year's financials to resemble a crater. My buddy owns 3 or 4 manufacturing plants in Ohio - looks like they are considered essential and open (industrial machine manufacturing...kinda surprised by that). |
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tumblehome |
1. Essential Health Care Operations, Including: research and laboratory services hospitals walk-in-care health facilities emergency veterinary and livestock services elder care medical wholesale and distribution home health care workers or aides for the elderly doctor and emergency dental nursing homes, or residential health care facilities or congregate care facilities medical supplies and equipment manufacturers and providers 2. Essential Infrastructure, Including: utilities including power generation, fuel supply and transmission public water and wastewater telecommunications and data centers airports/airlines transportation infrastructure such as bus, rail, or for-hire vehicles, garages hotels, and places of accommodation 3. Essential Manufacturing, Including: food processing, manufacturing agents, including all foods and beverages chemicals medical equipment/instruments pharmaceuticals sanitary products telecommunications microelectronics/semi-conductor agriculture/farms household paper products 4. Essential Retail, Including: grocery stores including all food and beverage stores pharmacies convenience stores farmer's markets gas stations restaurants/bars (but only for take-out/delivery) hardware and building material stores 5. Essential Services, Including: trash and recycling collection, processing and disposal mail and shipping services laundromats building cleaning and maintenance child care services auto repair warehouse/distribution and fulfillment funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries storage for essential businesses animal shelters 6. News Media 7. Financial Institutions, Including: banks insurance payroll accounting services related to financial markets 8. Providers of Basic Necessities to Economically Disadvantaged Populations, Including: homeless shelters and congregate care facilities food banks human services providers whose function includes the direct care of patients in state-licensed or funded voluntary programs; the care, protection, custody and oversight of individuals both in the community and in state-licensed residential facilities; those operating community shelters and other critical human services agencies providing direct care or support 9. Construction, Including: skilled trades such as electricians, plumbers other related construction firms and professionals for essential infrastructure or for emergency repair and safety purposes 10. Defense defense and national security-related operations supporting the U.S. Government or a contractor to the US government 11. Essential Services Necessary to Maintain the Safety, Sanitation and Essential Operations of Residences or Other Essential Businesses, Including: law enforcement fire prevention and response building code enforcement security emergency management and response building cleaners or janitors general maintenance whether employed by the entity directly or a vendor automotive repair disinfection 12. Vendors that Provide Essential Services or Products, Including Logistics and Technology Support, Child Care and Services: logistics technology support for online services child care programs and services government owned or leased buildings essential government services |
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inspector13 |
The small company I work for is the opposite. We’re owned by a Chinese outfit and manufacture medical testing equipment here in Minnesota. |
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nofish |
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DKalis |
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HowardSprague |
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WhiteWolf |
#2 and #10 carry to my job. If ATC gets knocked out (like it has at Midway for 14 days and others at times) DSM has steadfast contingency plans in place put in place by myself and the local ATC/Airport Management) to continue services with no "ATC ZERO" when it comes to weather. My passion is the weather, and weather will continue at KDSM- and not just "computer weather". Medical/Food/ other cargo will continue at KDSM as long as ATC can provide- my side and weather will be there through "whatever". I worked 9/11 and this is new. We have plans for this and any aviation that can make KDSM - will make it and out regardless (some time delays?) but weather wise and ATC wise we have contingency plans better than most. Currently working graveyard and I assure any flights coming in and or out- the weather will be reported to a "T". My ATC team also shows the same passion. |
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nofish |
luft: "offroadjeeper: "They did give us 2 weeks of pandemic leave just in case of illness or family quarantine. This was all just laid out for us by our HR at work. If you are sick you with Covid 19 you are entitled to 2 weeks of paid sick leave under the new Emergency Paid Sick Leave (EPSL) policy which is apart of the Families First Coronavirus Response Act (FFCRA). The EPSL pays 100% of your pay for those 2 weeks. If you need more then 2 weeks to recover or you need to start caring for other family members who are quarantined or kids that are not in school then you are are entitled to an additional 10 weeks of leave under the Emergency Family Medical Leave (EFML) policy, those ten weeks are paid at 2/3 of your normal pay. If you do not use the 2 weeks of EPSL time then you'd have 12 total weeks of EFML time you could use. Its certainly not a perfect system and there are times it probably won't make someone 100% whole from any potential lost wages but it could go along way to keep families afloat for 3 months while all of this plays out. |
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mschi772 |
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Pinetree |
nctry: " We had our first case in Brainerd also. Yes agree Ben if people do venture Outdoors like hiking etc, watch what your doing like your care will depend just on you. Slow down a little. |
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walllee |
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Podunk |
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Pinetree |
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Mocha |
"If you are sick you with Covid 19 you are entitled to 2 weeks of paid sick leave under the new Emergency Paid Sick Leave (EPSL) policy which is apart of the Families First Coronavirus Response Act (FFCRA). The EPSL pays 100% of your pay for those 2 weeks. If you need more then 2 weeks to recover or you need to start caring for other family members who are quarantined or kids that are not in school then you are are entitled to an additional 10 weeks of leave under the Emergency Family Medical Leave (EFML) policy, those ten weeks are paid at 2/3 of your normal pay." a fairly recent plan? is it a federal thing or state by state? |
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shawhh |
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Podunk |
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Savage Voyageur |
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pswith5 |
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KevinL |
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Bearpath9 |
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ThreeRivers |
I do thank all the EMS folks, police, grocery workers, truck drivers/logistics folks and many more for staying on the job to keep up safe, fed, with electricity, and informed. |
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HighnDry |
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quark2222 |
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woodsandwater |
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hobbydog |
In that list it said "grocery stores including all food and beverage stores". Does that include liquor stores? Asking for a friend. I was really happy to see this one in the list. "household paper products". Keep them lines rolling. |
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Pinetree |
Bearpath9: "Pinetree: "On the lighter side of things there is going to be a lot of Hippies running around with barber shops and hair salons shut down. Been keeping my hair very short in recent years,I don't know know if all of us want to go back to our hair style of the 1960's or 70's." Yes once a Hippie always a Hippie. Also we have the Outdoor look,natural and Free and wild. That is still in for a few. |
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DeanL |
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colddriver |
But I am staying home with my handicapped 4year old daughter. She is usually in school during the day Wich she receives alot of therapies (OT,PT,Speach) also take her to swimming and extra pt throughout the week. School is canceled and so is the pool and other therapies. So I am now a physical therapist, ocopational therapist, Speach therapist all day everyday. Just hope I am good enough so she doesn't fall behind. She is making huge progress the last two months I just pray we can keep it up. |
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Portage99 |
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hobbydog |
lindylair: "I manage a busy grocery store in the Twin Cities. Judging by the traffic levels and sales in the last 10 days or so , we are pretty dang essential. Grateful for the continuation of our employment and wages/salaries and the company has increased compensation for all considerably. But the downside is we interact closely with thousands of people every day and have been since this started. So far nobody has been reported as infected but when that happens the shit will hit the fan. I went to Cub at 6 AM today, not too busy and mostly older people tryin to avoid the crowds. Lots of restocking going on. People were keeping their distance. The checkout lady was very friendly. Your work is very much appreciated. |
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OldFingers57 |
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Pinetree |
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Freeleo1 |
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luft |
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schwartyman |
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MikeinMpls |
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GopherAdventure |
They’re totally right, can’t have us driving over to Sconnie for our booze! Tony |
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luft |
offroadjeeper: "They did give us 2 weeks of pandemic leave just in case of illness or family quarantine. Not to hijack the thread but I have an issue with just 14 days of pandemic leave for families. We have 5 family members at our house. If we come down with this virus it will take a lot longer than 14 days for it to be over for the five of us. One person gets it and then some days later another and some days later another. 14 days might be sufficient for one person to quarantine but not multiple people in the same family. And while I might be well enough to return to work after 14 days I am going to need to stay home to nurse my husband and kids if they have it. Luckily I have FMLA (family medical leave act) time to use for that but not sure that everyone has that benefit at their job? |
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BearBurrito |
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GopherAdventure |
tg: "I think I fall in the essential category. I'm a physician assistant working as a hospitalist at a couple large Twin Cities hospitals. A month or two from now and I won't have time to make this post. At least right now we have some time to prepare for the tidal wave (and preparing we are!). Now if we had a reassuring supply of PPE, ventilators and weren't way behind in terms of testing I'd feel better about our chances (conservative estimates are we have AT LEAST 10x the number of COVID-19 cases in Minnesota as are currently reported-287). I fully expect to get COVID-19 inspite of all the precautions, and I'm diabetic so I'm hoping for a glancing blow;) Sounds like Minnesotans have been some of the most compliant US citizens with respect to staying at home/social distancing. That gives me hope. Lets keep it up! Paul Wellstone (for the out of state readers he was a MN senator who died tragically in a plane crash in 2002) said "We all do better when we all do better." I agree. Rich, Know that you and your hard work are and will continue to be greatly appreciated as we navigate through this crazy time. Thank you for all you do and for administering the care that will save lives on the front lines of this pandemic. You are an amazing dude! Tony |
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blutofish1 |
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boonie |
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moustachesteve |
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allfish |
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nofish |
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unshavenman |
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andym |
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ZaraSp00k |
but then what would I do at home with my unemployment compensation plus $600 a week plus the $1200 they are saying they will give each adult. I wonder if I can take in a dozen kids to get the $600/ea. and then send them back after I get the check? You just know there are going to be people scamming the givernment to get in on the $$$$$ |
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OtherBob |
Corona virus is a long, rocky portage, but there are nice lakes on the other side with lots of fish and 5 star campsites. Let's pick up the packs and start in. |
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andym |
justpaddlin: "I'm not essential. Thanks for reminding me. :) Welcome to the world of government employees who every time there is a government shutdown hear, "why does the government have non-essential employees. Fire them." But essential means that your job has an immediate impact on life safety. Food: obviously essential. Water: they have a saying in the water industry, "no water no life." Setting building codes (which my work contributes to doing): definitely saves lives but can be done a few weeks later. So not "essential." |
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nctry |
Our county has listed criminal activity as non essential. So we don’t even need law enforcement because we’re so compliant here in Minnesota. Haha. On a side note, I see bitterness in people up here as people are thinking going to cabins and such are ok. But like yesterday there were like such people shooting across the lake on snowmobiles... if they get hurt and end up in hospitals that takes manpower and resources away from more critical situations. So if you do self isolate, maybe keep your activity to things like walking, paddling, hiking... Just had our first case in itasca county. Someone originally from our town. Starting to hit home! |
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nofish |
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singlebladecanoe |
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Bearpath9 |
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Pinetree |
missmolly: "Pinetree: "On the lighter side of things there is going to be a lot of Hippies running around with barber shops and hair salons shut down. Been keeping my hair very short in recent years,I don't know know if all of us want to go back to our hair style of the 1960's or 70's." Och-that's'funny. No, I still have all mine,I just keep it super short so all the grey doesn't show. |
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Bearpath9 |
missmolly: "Bearpath9: "As of 11 A.M., I became non-essential. I retired." I was with the Postal Service for 33 years. Planned on fishing a lot this summer with my grandson, along with a trip up to the BW with him in June. But we will see about the trip, fishing plans are still on. |
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520eek |
We are both dismayed about the people who seem to not notice whats happening... We are in Tucson and for the first time in our lives, we can't wait for summer to get here. Will it help? Don't know how much, but there is hope. The hospital she works at is starting to see a lot more suspected cases, supplies are low and we are just out of the starting gate compared to other cities.... |
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bobbwca |
Podunk: "Nope, not essential. Automotive manufacturing. Shut down till April 8th. 1st week company paid, 2nd week take vac or no pay.l took no pay. " In illinois were essential. Not sure why, but as of now were to report to work Monday. 3000 people assembling Jeeps side by side doesn't make sense to me. Especially when the dealers are all closed. |
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Bushpilot |
cowdoc: "Essential and busy......I'm tired" My brother is also a veterinarian....he said they have been told no more use of ventilators on animals. He works for a medical company and they maybe use ventilators more with animals because of research. He wonders if a time will come when the government picks up his ventilators. Yes the ones used with dogs and pigs. |
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4keys |
Both my kids are in other states, and are currently still employed for now. But their other halves are out of work. Being in their early20's they haven't put together any savings, and have rent etc to pay. I worry about all that, as well as the health issues. Nothing much I can do about any of it, but still.. |
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nctry |
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Mocha |
I also heard from my paddle partner that there is still 5 feet of snow on the Gunflint Trail and the temp was -15 the other morning. I guess no camping up there for awhile?? |
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Gadfly |
Mocha: "I guess the mn governor is speaking again this afternoon. Perhaps our state will shut down or he will wait another week. I work in administration in the medical field. I would be surprised if we were not considered essential. I can Was just up the gunflint last week. My tripping partner decided to leave his snow shoes at our vehicle when he saw how well the lakes were crusted over. I brought mine as I knew it would be different in the woods. Needless to say his first trip in the woods he was up over his waist in snow. They had also received 2-3 more inches on our day out. |
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jcavenagh |
But I will work from home as much as I can. I don't do criminal law so I do not have the time pressure associated with that. I do civil law and my cases can wait a while to be resolved. No client meetings, but I can do telephone and email with the clients. Courts are closed, but I still am doing pleadings and discovery by electronic filing. So when the courts open we will have a backlog and we will be quite busy... |
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Blatz |
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SaganagaJoe |
jcavenagh: "As a lawyer, my business is considered essential under Par. 12 r of the IL Executive Order Same, except I have criminal responsibilities (prosecution) so we won’t be shutting down either. |
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MikeinMpls |
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tg |
Stay healthy my friends! Rich aka tg |
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x2jmorris |
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missmolly |
blutofish1: " They say I am essential. My old instructors were wrong." Ha! |
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Boppasteveg |
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butthead |
Sorry, my sense of humor is morphing under the current conditions. butthead |
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inspector13 |
I’m not sure. The tests we make are needed for patients on respirators, but all our products are exported. And the relatively new owner of this place is based in Wuhan. |