Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: Sad start to the season
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Argo |
At summer camp in the 70s we had several proficiency test we had to try: One we had to perform to be able to put on your life jacket in the water and tie it up. Amazing how many couldn't do it - although PFDs in those days were more cumbersome. Another was canoe salvage - lift a capsized from the water upside-down across your own canoe, right it and launch. The capsized party then had to renter the canoe from the water. The re-entry into the canoe part had to be demonstrated both solo and with a partner. Some guys could even shake out a capsized canoe from the water and climb back in. That's quite a feat with an old-fashioned wood-canvas canoe weighing about 70 lbs. Camp was in the warmer summer months in southern Ontario so water temps were not a threat. |
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gymcoachdon |
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Portage99 |
I have told this story before. But I will tell it again. One winter, after a paddle, I tested myself in cold water. I set up a safe, shallow area along the shore, with a friend assisting. I wanted to know if what I was wearing would work in the cold water if I dunked. For the most part, it worked. I learned about a couple of weak areas pretty quickly. Then I took off my gloves and a wetsuit top layer. Even though logically I had read about cold water, I was shocked at how quickly I was immobilized. My hands were totally useless in short order. I really think everybody should have a safe cold water simulation. It helps you understand the drastic and immediate effects on the body and your breathing. |
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gymcoachdon |
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PaddlinMadeline |
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boonie |
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RodBender |
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Pinetree |
I don't know the situation what happened there. I have no idea? But yes wear that PFD and know your limits. It has been awful windy lately. One thing any old wise canoe person will tell you be patient. There are time you just take a nap on shore instead of trying to beat the wind. Some people have a appointed date to come out. Well it is better to be late coming out than not at all. |
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spud |
Always wear your PFD, you never know when you'll need it.. https://www.fox9.com/news/man-dies-after-canoe-capsizes-on-lake-in-the-bwca (i dont claim to know if the victim was not wearing a pfd, only that this is a reminder that we should always wear it when in the water.) |
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Bushpilot |
More people this summer will = more rescues and recoveries. |
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CityFisher74 |
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Frenchy19 |
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andym |
The advice to swim to shore is counter to the common advice for capsizes although I see why you say it in this case. Perhaps this needs to vary depending on the situation including distance to shore and water temperature, as you noted. In the tragedy on a Lake Superior last year, the only person to survive was the one who stayed with the kayak. She was fortunate to eventually get a text message out and a nearby ship was able to find her. But the rest of her family drowned during the swim to shore. |
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andym |
Second, thank you for the additional info. So many accidents happen when people don't intend to get out on the water (although I guess once in the canoe they decided to fish a bit). This is so reminiscent of the mother and son who drowned on Chesapeake Bay at the beginning of April. They used a canoe to try and get a ball that went into the water and wound up in rough water outside the little cove where they started. |
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BWPaddler |
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schweady |
Amid all of the uncertainty of these past two months, one piece of advice remains clear: Wearing protective equipment may easily mean the difference between life and death. It doesn't make you look like a dork. EDIT: After reading the article again, there was no mention as to whether the victim was or was not wearing a PFD. My apologies for making the assumption based on the OP's wording. I'll leave my statement re preparedness as is, however. Sad in any case. |
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Argo |
spud: "Not the way to have the BWCA season start... I'm going to beg your pardon but the referenced article makes no mention of whether the man was wearing a PFD. Plus a float plane was able to recover his body an hour and a half later after capsizing - one would presume because it was floating. Drowned bodies sink. It takes several days for a corpse to surface. |
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HangLoose |
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Jeriatric |
The water temp and the air temp were both 46 degrees. We also tried to get back into the canoe (for too long). I don't think we could have reached shore after struggling with the canoe. Finally, a boat (the same one that had swamped us) came into view. I think we had been immersed for 25-45 minutes. The rescuers could not get us into their boat and had to tow us to shore. Once in the boat, my legs would not support me. I just curled up on the bottom. My brother was shaking like crazy while I was not shaking at all. I am guessing that I was in the worst shape. Safe in our motel room, we researched our chances in 46 degree water. We should have lost consciousness in 30 minutes to an hour. |
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Pinetree |
Part of canoeing is going with the flow(take what mother nature gives you) and respect the limits of a canoe-and yes your limit also. Enjoy take a break and watch the wind blow. If your late getting out, so be it. At least you were still walking and paddling at the end. Also often you pretty much know it is going to get windy-get going as earliest as you can handle. We have started like a hour before daybreak before. |
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Pinetree |
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heypaddler |
Argo: "spud: "Not the way to have the BWCA season start... He may have been in relatively shallow water. There was a quick response with no doubt divers involved. Quick recovery should by no means conclude he was wearing PFD. In any case, PFD or not, any death in the BW is always a good reminder to wear the one thing that will most likely save your life should you encounter any trouble -- a PFD! Thoughts are with the family. |
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Jaywalker |
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mcsweem |
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adam |
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LindenTree |
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HangLoose |
RIP Billy Cameron |
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DeanL |
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Blatz |
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andym |
On a positive note for PFDs, we just had a rescue of three people from a disabled sailboat off the coast from where I live. The Coast Guard plucked them out of the water using a helicopter and a rescue swimmer in 15’ seas. The Coast Guard cited PFDs as one of the reasons all three people survived. Other keys were cell phones to call for help and flares because it was so dark that they couldn’t see the sailboat without the flares. Plus kudos for the whole crew. It takes some skill to fly those missions in high winds and serious bravery to jump into the water with 15’ seas. |
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neveragoosechase |
Aldy1: "Another note to help clarify the situation they were in. Thanks for the firsthand account. This really helps me make sense of it. It was also not clear from the radio story that the accident actually happened Tuesday. I was over on Gillis and heard the plane engine at least twice, seeing it fly more or less right over me as it left the lake. When I was driving home on Friday, I heard the WTIP interview and some preceding info beforehand. Something about wind and a “freak accident,” but unfortunately not a lot more of concrete info, considering how long that interview was. It was lots more about the victim, which was good, but I was hungry for context since I didn’t know why I’d seen a plane that close while that far into the wilderness. Anyway, it was kinda windy all my five days, but nothing I thought was reasonable cause for a capsizing. Thank you to john for being ready to save my own sorry self, in the event it had been me. I’m grateful that even though we have such an incredible raw resource, we still have a lifeline and can make it home to our wives and kids. |
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Aldy1 |
I’m thankful for a solo paddler on Missing Link who had a satellite phone. The Beaver plane was on the lake searching in the next 30 minutes or so. Very impressed with the search and rescue team. They got the boys out that night. The guy on the shore said he planned to attempt to swim to the island site around 1pm Wednesday, he seemed to be in desperation mode. The water was so cold, that would have been a bad idea. All three had life jackets on. RIP Billy. |
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HangLoose |
You likely saved another life or two. Nice work Aldi! RIP Billy. |
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Mocha |
Freak accidents happen, I guess. This is just too sad for all involved |
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Aldy1 |
They were fishing from the shore on the site they were staying at and got a snag on their line, which lead to all three hopping in the canoe to retrieve it and to fish a bit near the island site they were staying on. They believe they flipped the canoe when one may have caught a fish, causing a jerk. Those three person canoes can be very tippy with no weight in the boat. Just a freak accident. It’s amazing the two survived for how long they were in the water. They said it was probably an hour. |
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Bushpilot |
Something so simple turned deadly. I feel for all of them. |
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BearBurrito |
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jillpine |
The water is ice cold right now, and conditions were very windy early this week. |
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nctry |
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andym |
Because she was willing to urge people to be careful and stay safe with the cold water, I want to mention one part of safety that I haven't seen being part of the BWCA culture. That is dressing for immersion. I think I've mentioned this before but in the local sea kayaking culture around where I live, dressing for immersion is defined as being willing to jump in the water before you get in your boat. We have cold water year-round and it is rare to see someone without a wetsuit or dry suit. Maybe because we are also a surfing area, wetsuits are completely cool and accepted. It really can make a difference if you wind up in the water. I think in the BW people dress for the weather and wear wool or polypro clothes that will keep you warm on land, even if wet. I also know that it is tricky because paddling and portaging means that you are in and out of the boat and so you have to deal with being on land too. But I wish people who went early in the season would dress for immersion. If it became part of the culture, people would be safer. |