Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: Seeking October trip advice
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Spartan2 |
For bedtime we always kept a clean dry pair of wool socks and a set of silk longjohns that were just for sleeping, not for wearing during the day. I had a zero-degree Big Agnes bag and was warm at night. I think Spartan1's bag was supposed to be good for 10 degrees. Neoprene paddling gloves are good in winter and you need winter gloves for in camp, too. Wool hat. The main thing that I didn't like about October was the short days. It seemed hard to get things settled and ready for sunset, which came very early. It is possible to have beautiful days in October and also possible to have snow and ice. We have never gone that late in October, but I would imagine all of the leaves will be off the deciduous trees by then. Have fun! |
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Jaywalker |
For warmth, this is a great time for wool everything; merino base layer, wool pants, shirt, and jacket. When I winter camp I toss a hot water filled nalgene in a sock, but not usually an issue for fall for me. Do make sure your sleeping pads have a good R value. An extra wool blanket can help out either above or below for anyone who sleeps cold. It’s also nice to sit on by the fire. Birdknowsbest mentioned bringing his Snowtrekkertents hot tent. I’ve done this too. The tent and stove will add one more trip across the portage, but it can be a real game changer. On my last October trip I had a couple days of wind and drizzle, and that twnt shined. The real value is not that it can be so warm, it’s that you can get everything bone dry in no time. I know there are a couple places around the BWCA that rent them, so if weather is looking colder or wetter, it’s something to consider. As for where to go, there’s lots of good choices. Maybe a popular entry like Munro, or a swampier river area where you might see more moose? Can’t go wrong. Do expect some other people. And to be clear, you do need a permit with you in camp - it’s just they are self issued. You can pick up a blank at any ranger station or some entry points (but I would not count on it). |
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Blatz |
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schuetpa |
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Duckman |
The loons being gone is the big thing I miss, and not being able to go after lakers. I took an October trip last year from Sawbill to Frost. On the paddle out, I didn't see anyone from Frost-Gordon-Cherokee-Ada-Sawbill until I got back to Sawbill's landing. That's unheard of during the prime months. Something satisfying about going up there in October, having the place to yourself, and not needing anything from the outfitter other than a sticker. |
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ducks |
Every year (12 years running) we go to Grand Marais over MEA for Moose Madness. It's our kids' favorite vacation of the year. One of the days we always do a bwca daytrip.... if weather report is decent we take the canoe, if not we leave it home and we go hiking. I'd say it's been about 1/2 and 1/2 which one we've done over the years. We've had 70 and sunny down to needing to dress like it's winter during the day. You are correct..... the north shore is crazy busy that weekend every year. It's been a few years since I've been able to do an Oct. bwca trip because of school soccer. Oct. is my favorite time to be in the bwca. Some people don't like the shorter days but I love it. I've done about 5 early Oct. trips into the bwca with a wide range of weather. Sometimes during the same trip even. I've had 80 with sun and down to 30 with high winds rain/sleet/snow as the high temp during the day. I've had overnight temps from 50's down to low 20's. My wife and I were on Sawbill the year when that couple tragically died on Alton from hypothermia. The weather was horrible with a high temp of low 30's, rain/sleet/snow and 30+ mph winds. We should have cancelled and stayed home.... or at least just stayed at the Sawbill campground when we got there. We could see that the 1st campsite on Sawbill in the bay that leads to the Alton portage was open so we went for it. We only saw one other group on the water that day. Make a plan, have a back up plan, and be ready to cancel if needed. One nice thing about worse weather and you decide to still go is that most people stay home ;). some Oct. trip pictures. The 3rd and 4th pictures are from my 1st solo. 1st night it was still high 70's after supper and the 3rd day the high was in the 40's |
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Chuckles |
1. Prepare for cold wind. It makes fishing (especially from a canoe) tough and you'll find an extra tarp that can block the wind a life-saver. NW wind is most common and coldest that time of year, so I'd plan for a campsite that is protected from the NW. I'd also recommend somewhere with access to small water; if the wind is bad you'll be happier. 2. If you're into campfires, you'll need it much bigger to keep warm. We laughed at how easy fires were in July compared to other trips. Would recommend a saw and something to split wood with. I'm partial to the Irwin saw, but other people like other saws. My favorite way to split wood is with a plastic chainsaw wedge. 3. Bring WAY more cold-weather stuff than you'll need and hand it out before anyone asks. One of my tripping partners tends to get grumpy in the cold and I've learned that pulling out a blanket and wrapping it around his shoulders works. If I ask, he'll never take it. These cheap-o down blankets from Costco are the best money I've ever spent. Down Blankets 4. Hot water is your friend. Fill water bottles with boiling water, wrap bottle in sock and put at feet in sleeping bag. This will keep you warm for hours. Bigger water bottle=more warmth. Also, drink plenty of hot liquids. Drinking hot broth isn't sweet like cocoa or full of caffeine like coffee. I can get something similar in my grocery storePowdered broth As for routes, many are good. My first trip was Nina Moose with an aborted attempt to see Warrior Hill (too windy) and it was awesome. Good luck! |
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schuetpa |
We have traditional brought kids we probably would want to leave them home, correct? oldest is 8. I have done 10ish trips and have ones I love but would have pick of the litter for a short trip and could do any location without the permit pressure. What are your thoughts on best fall 3 or 4 night trips? Ways to keep warm other than a 0 degree sleeping bag? my wife hates the cold. I have slept in 25 degrees before and I can survive she on the other hand would hate it. Lastly, when is ice on? just curious |
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schuetpa |
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schuetpa |
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nctry |
Birdknowsbest: "Fall is great I'd prepared. I have taken my snowtrekker with woodstove for a Basecamp trip. A light in the tent extends the day. No bugs and way less people. Great time to go. "... Like I’ve mentioned before... get a good weather report before ya go. In the late ‘70’s we used to duck hunt mea weekend on wood lake. It wasn’t so much in the actual boundary waters back then. My hunting buddy’s cousin worked for the outfitter with the boats there and had a key for them. More then once we’d have to bust ice to get out to our blind. And one year as we were going in a couple was in a canoe and had been trying all night to chop their way through the ice to the landing. They were greatful to see us and the path we made for them. Now it seems to be more into November. But I’ll always have an eye out to possible weather situations in the shoulder seasons. |
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Michwall2 |
schuetpa: Hot Rocks! Put a couple of fist size (or just a little bigger) rocks next to the fire before bedtime. Heat them just to the point where you can still handle them. Drop them into an extra pair of socks and take them to bed with you. You can read about hikers that fill Nalgene bottles with hot water and take them to bed with them. Be careful though. Don't pull the rocks from the lake. There are stories of exploding rocks from the expansion of water trapped in pockets inside the rocks. |
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brux |
nctry: "Birdknowsbest: "Fall is great I'd prepared. I have taken my snowtrekker with woodstove for a Basecamp trip. A light in the tent extends the day. No bugs and way less people. Great time to go. "... Like he said. Mid October can be really hit or miss... |