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08/13/2020 11:29AM |
EDIT: Link removed as the video was taken down.
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08/13/2020 11:59AM |
TZ
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08/13/2020 03:14PM |
They 100% need to find these idiots and fine them! I’ll probably have more to say once I finish watching if I can handle it.
By the way I think the gun range was at someone’s house so I don’t have an issue with that. Pretty sure I wouldn’t want to be around those idiots with loaded firearms though. Pretty sure her trigger finger wasn’t indexed correctly when she was running forward and was on the trigger. I don’t know that for sure though.
Ryan
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08/19/2020 10:30AM |
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08/19/2020 11:14AM |
scat: "Thanks missmolly, so much for ‘hunkering down’, staying cool and under the radar. Someone is always watching. I was looking for my cellphone again the other day, which I do far too often, and it hit me, I need to get away from this crap. If I turn it off for the weekend can ‘they’ still track me. I would hope they have something better to do. I’m just trying to be a nice guy, be kind to my fellow beings, offer a suggestion if asked, keep my clothes on in public.
So off to Willow Flowage I go. Phone turned off, for 2 days. I gotta be on the hook Thurs/Fri while there. Which means they prob have me spotted for the rest of the weekend if they are curious and any bit logical in their thinking. I’ll try to keep my pants on. Someone might be watching."
Ha! Funny guy!
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08/13/2020 01:09PM |
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08/13/2020 08:17PM |
schweady: "scotttimm: "License plates visible at 11:55 of the video...someone who reported should download before they take it down."
Still seeing it at OP's link.
V76 4192 ?? Acura of some sort? No idea what state, tho.
At first I thought it looked looked like they went Moose River North to Agnes, but they said '2 hours in.'
"
Illinois
I think the what it looked like to me
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08/19/2020 09:27AM |
You should be worried about Google and Facebook. They are collecting your data in many ways to know your every move, everyone you talk to. How much you make, where you spend it. The data collected on humans is substantial. That’s who you should be worried about. And I’m not even a conspiracy theorist.
As long as you have a phone and surf the web, you are a well known, and tracked target.
Tom
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08/14/2020 12:44PM |
Gaidin53: "So let’s define what we’re violations within the park. The gun stuff was outside the BWCA. Clearly many of the people in this video are or were former military. That does condone or make anything they did less or more egregious I’m just pointing it out.
1. Peeled birch bark in a band off of a live tree
2. Carved initials in a live tree after removing birch bark
3. Tiki torch fire outside three fire grate.
4. Burning a chimney in log outside fire grate(I agree interesting to see done but not in BWCA or National Forest areas.
5. Burning trash in a site(yes I realize it’s a time capsule that they did but it violates leave no trace, and the BWCA rules of leave no trash.
So I’d say a fine is in order for all involved. I’d like to see them banned for a few years from the BWCA as well. Not sure how that is enforceable or even possible. That being said they are young and stupid as were we all at some point. Hopefully they can learn this behavior is not acceptable and be taught the correct way to leave no trace in all areas while being outdoors.
Ryan "
Well stated. I completely agree.
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08/14/2020 12:59PM |
geotramper: "Anyone recognize the lake/campsite? Looks like it would be pretty easy to go and find whatever they buried and remove it. "
That looks like the Hog Creek entry and Perent Lake. There are several island sites there, but I'm fairly sure its the first one pretty much straight west of where the creek enters the lake.
So far when I watched, 2 thumbs up and 30 thumbs down - when they notice I bet that video is gone.
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08/14/2020 01:38PM |
missmolly: "jhb8426: "Frankly I don't see anywhere people are looking for ways to punish people other than under the existing statutes. No one is advocating anything more than that."
To be frank, I was a millimeter away from releasing the Kraken. "
I've always found this funny
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08/14/2020 02:17PM |
I'll bet that for every one of these groups we KNOW about, there are five that we never see or are not stupid enough to upload their blatant rule breaking to the internet. I would think this would be easy to investigate. I hope it is.
I keep saying "something must be done" though I know that whatever the "something" is will likely be years down the road. I know the "something" is never simple, especially when it involves the federal government. Do the BWCA managers at the SNF have unilateral power to change the video or alter the permitting process, or must that be decreed by Washington? Or must there be a study, or a blue-ribbon commission, or similar just to get the process started? It seems as if we're all narrowing down theoretical ideas, and I'm wondering if any of them could actually be instituted by next year's paddling season.
Mike
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08/14/2020 10:31PM |
moosedoggie: "missmolly: "jhb8426: "Frankly I don't see anywhere people are looking for ways to punish people other than under the existing statutes. No one is advocating anything more than that."
To be frank, I was a millimeter away from releasing the Kraken. "
I've always found this funny"
Too funny!!!
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08/14/2020 04:30PM |
Not everyone is forced to watch a video when picking up their permits but everyone enters at entry points. I always thought it would be more effective to post the major rules and best practices at every entry point. Big and bold, right at the start of every trail or landing.
Yes, this will cost money. No, it won't cure stupid. I do think that reading the rules right before entering the woods would be far more effective than what's currently happening. Some outfitters are excellent at this, others seem not to want to bother people with the rules.
Another idea is to make the permits a full 9x11 page and print the rules right on the permit.
If the offender has the rules in their pocket we don't have to feel shy about blasting their character when they F up.
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08/14/2020 04:36PM |
If you break the rules and are caught you should be punished. These people are a special kind of stupid for A) posting their infractions and B) leaving the video up after the negative reaction
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08/14/2020 04:31PM |
First we need members, then we need a set of guidelines, then we need T shirts. I always wanted an official looking T shirt. We can come up with a plan of action to bring down these scoundrels, these hordes desecrating our beloved wilderness area. If you don’t mind, I just don’t want to be the leader, more like backup and fund treasurer. T shirt designer and procurer, if that’s ok.
Time to mobilize! Unite, divide and conquer. It’s the American way!
We can do this, together. I know we can.
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08/14/2020 10:29PM |
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08/15/2020 05:16PM |
schweady: "fadersup: "...Another idea is to make the permits a full 9x11 page and print the rules right on the permit.
If the offender has the rules in their pocket we don't have to feel shy about blasting their character when they F up.
"
Uhm... here's what the back of a permit looks like:
"
I was wondering they even had a permit.
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08/15/2020 07:22PM |
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08/24/2020 06:41AM |
PolyphemusPariah: " We just got from Perent Lake, and I'm fairly certain we stayed at the camp shown in the vid (see map photo). On the Southwest side of the island, there was a recently marred Birch with the inscription 'HDHT3'...I think this is what was in the vid (photos below). I also included a pic of the camp (as well as some bonus shots of my wife with a pike and the rainbow over camp). Great trip and timed it well. Got this site right away upon entering on Tues...when leaving Friday the parking lot at Hog Creek was overflowing....not sure where those campers ended up sleeping once out at Perent.
"
I thought using beaver wood as a fire wood is a violation
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08/15/2020 08:04PM |
Ok, yes I have a little too much time on my hands, and my mind is wandering.
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08/15/2020 08:39PM |
Also, at every entry point there is rules and regs posted....I believe, plus a self issuing permit box with carbons of the permit so they could see the rules if they ever wondered if there was rules for this area.
Perhaps be a.com members should form a voluntAry entry
Point reviewer group, sit at ep’s and quiz each person entering. Of course, you would need the USFs blessing and probably the lovely green uniform to look official.
For those who feel the posts about penalties were out of line, there is absolUtely no doubt they were up to no good. If eAch of them goes home and Tells people what a great time they had and all the stupid crap they did, just how many more people will show up and do the same? And then what happens when it’s you at a neighboring site that witnesses this but now you are nervous about confronting them to “introduce them to the rules”... you have no idea what other shenanigans they have up their sleeves or what other weapons they might have.
It’s best to nip it in the bud now. And to think she may have posted this on her linked in account for other professionals to watch... do you think it would have any bearing on her getting hired for a job?
Ahhhh....I shouldn’t get so worked up.
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08/16/2020 01:39AM |
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08/24/2020 07:12AM |
Your camp looks beautiful!
I have spent a lot of time wondering why people treat the BWCA in a negative way.
Growing up, I had no mentor, nobody taught me wilderness values or respect of nature. And I am certain that nobody mentored the kids that are the focus of this thread. It is impossible to educate everyone that goes into the BWCA but after much reflection of the issue, I think education is the only answer. Enforcement and punishment are post-indecent responses. Too bad we can't stop it before it happens.
Tom
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08/15/2020 11:02PM |
Not really sure a scanner would work since those without permits just wouldn’t scan the permit they don’t have.
Checks in campsites would be tough. So much toilet paper and wipes at the edges of the campsites. I usually like to pick up garbage and carry it out but it was too much this year. Especially with Covid concerns I just couldn’t get motivated to pick up a wipe someone cleaned with and should have thrown down the grumper. Although some of the Cleaning wipes I saw shouldn’t be thrown down the grumper but should be put in the garbage and carried out. I almost felt like I had to document the shape the site was in when I arrived so that if we did get checked I could prove I had left no trace.
I just can’t understand when someone wipes with toilet paper that close to the toilet why they can’t place the paper in the toilet! That was really what bothered me the most!
I’d love to go back in with a crew and do some cleanup and carry out trash. Challenge is time off though.
Ryan
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08/16/2020 06:08AM |
jhb8426: "A scanner of permits - NO. Sounds like big brother to me. My insurance company recently sent me a "free" smart watch to track my daily steps (activities). I sent it back. I don't need people tracking where I am/have been. Thanks very much."
Do you own a smartphone? Your computer is also tracking you. So is your car. You're also being tracked every time you walk past a camera. My point is that Big Brother is already our neighbor.
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08/16/2020 11:47AM |
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08/24/2020 07:53AM |
brux: "Did you dig up what they buried?"
Shoot! Forgot all about that!
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08/24/2020 07:55AM |
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08/13/2020 02:17PM |
Hex
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08/13/2020 02:39PM |
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08/13/2020 03:21PM |
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08/13/2020 03:48PM |
Overall disgusting.
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08/13/2020 03:32PM |
Ryan
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08/13/2020 05:14PM |
Gaidin53: "By the way I think the gun range was at someone’s house so I don’t have an issue with that. Pretty sure I wouldn’t want to be around those idiots with loaded firearms though. Pretty sure her trigger finger wasn’t indexed correctly when she was running forward and was on the trigger. I don’t know that for sure though.
Ryan"
Point one of those high powered rounds a little too high and it’s likely not going to stay on your property. That was my observation.
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08/13/2020 06:51PM |
scotttimm: "License plates visible at 11:55 of the video...someone who reported should download before they take it down."
Already done before I posted. The plate is clearly visible and a simple google search clearly identifies the poster via other social media profiles.
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08/13/2020 05:26PM |
brux: "Gaidin53: "By the way I think the gun range was at someone’s house so I don’t have an issue with that. Pretty sure I wouldn’t want to be around those idiots with loaded firearms though. Pretty sure her trigger finger wasn’t indexed correctly when she was running forward and was on the trigger. I don’t know that for sure though.
Ryan"
Point one of those high powered rounds a little too high and it’s likely not going to stay on your property. That was my observation."
Agree. Hard to imagine that property extending beyond the range of those rifles. I especially enjoyed (heavy sarcasm) the clown shooting the rifle Rambo style from his waist.
Darwin will undoubtedly catch up with these clowns eventually. I just hope that they stay away from the BWCA in the meantime.
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08/13/2020 06:58PM |
scotttimm: "License plates visible at 11:55 of the video...someone who reported should download before they take it down."
V76 4192 ?? Acura of some sort? No idea what state, tho.
At first I thought it looked looked like they went Moose River North to Agnes, but they said '2 hours in.'
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08/13/2020 07:04PM |
Worst area of the bwca. How about digging new latrines...
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08/13/2020 07:24PM |
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08/13/2020 06:42PM |
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08/13/2020 07:25PM |
Mocha: "Omggggggg...... I cant even begin to think what their penalty should be. Community service to be completed with USFs rangers in the absolute
Worst area of the bwca. How about digging new latrines..."
I don’t want these idiots anywhere near the BWCA. Community service in Ely would be fine though.
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08/13/2020 07:32PM |
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08/13/2020 07:49PM |
I did the google lurk thing and found her Instagram page. I’m not up to date on some of this stuff but this one s her quote on that page. I love a good bit of irony
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08/13/2020 09:31PM |
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08/13/2020 08:16PM |
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08/13/2020 10:44PM |
They clearly had a lot of fun up there. The answer should be education, not an angry mob.
There is often talk about how to engage the younger generation to keep the tradition alive and this thread is certainly counter productive to those goals.
Rules were clearly broken, but I would caution attributing malice when ignorance is far more likely.
We were all young once...
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08/13/2020 08:50PM |
For the proper authorities and not some overly exuberant person on here per say: Gray Acura MDX with plates V76 4192. Cannot decipher the state perfectly, but looks like Illinois. Amazing.
With the title of this post being "video of what not to do", I didn't know where this video was headed. I truly did not want her injured, and still don't even given the obvious rule breaking stuff, but I kinda think the video would have been more interesting had that happened. I thought that was the 'dont do this moment' for sure and the rest of the video would be a bloody paddle back up river in that chintzy kayak. There's always next trip for them to really wow us, I guess.
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08/13/2020 09:21PM |
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08/13/2020 09:33PM |
Disgusting...
I hope someone stays on top of this and reports back to the forum if they were ever caught and/or charged.
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08/13/2020 10:03PM |
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08/13/2020 11:01PM |
Geez, now I suddenly feel old, referring to grown men and a woman as young people. We were all young once, we can only hope to get wiser with age. Some never do.
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08/13/2020 11:18PM |
tarnkt: "They obviously were not aware of the rules or they wouldn’t have posted this.
They clearly had a lot of fun up there. The answer should be education, not an angry mob.
There is often talk about how to engage the younger generation to keep the tradition alive and this thread is certainly counter productive to those goals.
Rules were clearly broken, but I would caution attributing malice when ignorance is far more likely.
We were all young once..."
True. We were all young once. But this wilderness matters so much to so many people, that we all have to accept our reaponsibility to take care of it.
And we are all adults; and we are all fallible; yet, we are all accountable to understand and comply with regulations.
This is fundamental stuff.
They didn’t simply ‘make errors in judgement’.
They ignored their responsibility to understand and follow wilderness area regulations.
Fine (even if only $100- and/or community/wilderness service).
There are no snooze buttons on being a responsible citizen.
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08/14/2020 08:02AM |
Just differentiating this from issues this year of increased traffic/increased new people and the impact it's having.
That's all. This video represents a lot of what happens every year, not something special to this season.
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08/14/2020 10:39AM |
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08/14/2020 12:02AM |
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08/14/2020 12:25PM |
jhb8426: "Frankly I don't see anywhere people are looking for ways to punish people other than under the existing statutes. No one is advocating anything more than that."
To be frank, I was a millimeter away from releasing the Kraken.
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08/14/2020 12:34PM |
missmolly: "jhb8426: "Frankly I don't see anywhere people are looking for ways to punish people other than under the existing statutes. No one is advocating anything more than that."
To be frank, I was a millimeter away from releasing the Kraken. "
I'm impressed!
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08/14/2020 06:14AM |
mvillasuso: "tarnkt: "They obviously were not aware of the rules or they wouldn’t have posted this.
They clearly had a lot of fun up there. The answer should be education, not an angry mob.
There is often talk about how to engage the younger generation to keep the tradition alive and this thread is certainly counter productive to those goals.
Rules were clearly broken, but I would caution attributing malice when ignorance is far more likely.
We were all young once..."
True. We were all young once. But this wilderness matters so much to so many people, that we all have to accept our reaponsibility to take care of it.
And we are all adults; and we are all fallible; yet, we are all accountable to understand and comply with regulations.
This is fundamental stuff.
They didn’t simply ‘make errors in judgement’.
They ignored their responsibility to understand and follow wilderness area regulations.
Fine (even if only $100- and/or community/wilderness service).
There are no snooze buttons on being a responsible citizen. "
If a fine is appropriate per the USFS rule enforcement schedule (I’m assuming it is) then I’m all for it and that would be an effective way of making sure they remember the rules.
I guess what I was getting at was I am much more put off by a seeing group of strangers excited about thinking of creative ways to punish people than anything the offenders did.
I probably should have kept my mouth shut.
Carry on
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08/14/2020 07:07AM |
Mocha: "Omggggggg...... I cant even begin to think what their penalty should be. Community service to be completed with USFs rangers in the absolute
Worst area of the bwca. How about digging new latrines..."
How about cleaning out existing ones??
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08/14/2020 07:22AM |
You could probably put together a video with that number of infractions (though not as well produced), of every new group in the BDUB, and of many seasoned groups for that matter.
Again, not condoning it or saying there shouldn't be consequences, but that seemed to me like pretty common goofing off, not a sign of increasing disrespect for the wilderness.
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08/14/2020 07:45AM |
Duckman: "Not condoning the slips in the video, but groups with that level of bending the rules are probably pretty common, even in a normal year without the pandemic.
You could probably put together a video with that number of infractions (though not as well produced), of every new group in the BDUB, and of many seasoned groups for that matter.
Again, not condoning it or saying there shouldn't be consequences, but that seemed to me like pretty common goofing off, not a sign of increasing disrespect for the wilderness."
Seriously? Burying a piece of plastic doesn't seem like disrespect for the wilderness?
Perhaps they didn't REALIZE their actions were disrespectful, and it's likely they weren't INTENDING to disrespect the wilderness, but as has been said above, ignorance is not an excuse.
If a teenager flies down my street at 60 mph he might not INTEND disrespect towards my and others' families who live on that street, but it is still incredibly disrespectful.
"I was just goofing off, officer" or "Everyone else was speeding too, officer" are not excuses that will ever get you off the hook.
Also it is exactly this kind of "goofing off" that leads to forest fires. Very rarely are forest fires started intentionally. I don't care how many others do it too, if one group stops making fires outside the grates and taking tiki torches because of a few harsh comments on their YouTube video then that is 100% worth it to me, and one less chance my and others' BWCA trips are ruined by a massive forest fire.
There are plenty of places where young adults can "goof off" but a protected wilderness area is not one of them.
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08/14/2020 09:03AM |
1. Peeled birch bark in a band off of a live tree
2. Carved initials in a live tree after removing birch bark
3. Tiki torch fire outside three fire grate.
4. Burning a chimney in log outside fire grate(I agree interesting to see done but not in BWCA or National Forest areas.
5. Burning trash in a site(yes I realize it’s a time capsule that they did but it violates leave no trace, and the BWCA rules of leave no trash.
So I’d say a fine is in order for all involved. I’d like to see them banned for a few years from the BWCA as well. Not sure how that is enforceable or even possible. That being said they are young and stupid as were we all at some point. Hopefully they can learn this behavior is not acceptable and be taught the correct way to leave no trace in all areas while being outdoors.
Ryan
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08/14/2020 09:38AM |
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08/14/2020 09:59AM |
BUT people need to watch VIDEOS .
I made my nephews watch video last summer and when we got permit at LaCroix Ranger Station I made them answer the questions . They answer all of them correctly.
So maybe fine tune the online permits with a tests to pass to get a permit. That way you are force to watch video.
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08/14/2020 11:35AM |
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08/14/2020 10:16AM |
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08/15/2020 01:00AM |
airmorse: "Looks like they changed the permissions for their video. I can no longer view it."
I guess all the critical comments got to her.
Actually she took down all of her internet stuff.
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08/15/2020 08:12AM |
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08/14/2020 09:41PM |
fadersup: "...Another idea is to make the permits a full 9x11 page and print the rules right on the permit.
If the offender has the rules in their pocket we don't have to feel shy about blasting their character when they F up.
"
Uhm... here's what the back of a permit looks like:
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08/14/2020 10:01PM |
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08/14/2020 10:29PM |
By the way she has now made the video private as of 10:30 pm. tonight. Pretty sure it won’t matter since the original posters and other individuals said they downloaded it and I’m sure the Forest service did as well since I got this reply from them this morning.
Thank you for contacting Superior National Forest.
This video has actually been sent to us from a couple different sources. I will be happy to provide your email to the Forest’s Law Enforcement Officers for their review and potential action.
If I can be of any further assistance, please don’t hesitate to let me know.
Regards,
USFS
Xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx
Visitor Services and Information
Forest Service
Superior National Forest, Supervisor's Office
Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
8901 Grand Avenue Place
Duluth, MN 55808
www.fs.fed.us
USDA Logo Forest Service Twitter USDA Facebook
Caring for the land and serving people
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08/15/2020 06:14AM |
schweady: "fadersup: "...Another idea is to make the permits a full 9x11 page and print the rules right on the permit.
If the offender has the rules in their pocket we don't have to feel shy about blasting their character when they F up.
"
Uhm... here's what the back of a permit looks like:
"
The last few times we made a canoe trip, and for sure the last time in 2013, we picked our permit up and the permitting person (usually USFS) actually quizzed us on these questions on the back of the permit before giving it to us. In '13, the ranger said "It is only a formality in your case. . ." and I replied that I was happy to answer the questions.
We were in our late 60's, lots of gray hair, and had already discussed with him that we had been canoe-tripping in the BWCA since 1971. The only question I paused on was the one about fish remains, since we don't fish.
This should happen every time a permit is picked up, IMHO.
But I wonder if these people even HAD a permit!
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08/15/2020 08:12AM |
schweady: "fadersup: "...Another idea is to make the permits a full 9x11 page and print the rules right on the permit.
If the offender has the rules in their pocket we don't have to feel shy about blasting their character when they F up.
"
Uhm... here's what the back of a permit looks like:
"
Unfortunately right now many people are printing their confirmation letter as the permit, and the rules are not listed. Not sure how many would read them or heed them, but t would be worth a try - wouldn’t be all that hard for the FS to modify the email.
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08/15/2020 11:58AM |
schweady: "fadersup: "...Another idea is to make the permits a full 9x11 page and print the rules right on the permit.
If the offender has the rules in their pocket we don't have to feel shy about blasting their character when they F up.
"
Uhm... here's what the back of a permit looks like:
"
Well, that was quick. Always happy to help!
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08/16/2020 12:47PM |
jhb8426: "Yeah, I know. Just my strike against the wall. Don't need to provide more data points. And I have location tracking off on my cell phone."
Agreed.
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08/17/2020 08:31AM |
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08/17/2020 12:06PM |
Ryan
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08/17/2020 10:35AM |
Gaidin53: "It was already reported multiple times. This is the response I got back this morning from the Forest service. I’ll take out the individuals name and specifics though. This person is a federal employee but I’m not going to put that specific info out.
By the way she has now made the video private as of 10:30 pm. tonight. Pretty sure it won’t matter since the original posters and other individuals said they downloaded it and I’m sure the Forest service did as well since I got this reply from them this morning.
Thank you for contacting Superior National Forest.
This video has actually been sent to us from a couple different sources. I will be happy to provide your email to the Forest’s Law Enforcement Officers for their review and potential action.
If I can be of any further assistance, please don’t hesitate to let me know.
Regards,
USFS
Xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx
Visitor Services and Information
Forest Service
Superior National Forest, Supervisor's Office
Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
8901 Grand Avenue Place
Duluth, MN 55808
www.fs.fed.us
USDA Logo Forest Service Twitter USDA Facebook
Caring for the land and serving people
"
Thanks for sharing. Any chance you can keep this thread up-to-date if you receive any further notifications? I made a call to submit a report last week, but was notified that they already had enough written submissions to move forward.
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08/18/2020 03:27PM |
So off to Willow Flowage I go. Phone turned off, for 2 days. I gotta be on the hook Thurs/Fri while there. Which means they prob have me spotted for the rest of the weekend if they are curious and any bit logical in their thinking. I’ll try to keep my pants on. Someone might be watching.
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08/23/2020 11:15PM |
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08/24/2020 08:25AM |
acanoer: "PolyphemusPariah: " We just got from Perent Lake, and I'm fairly certain we stayed at the camp shown in the vid (see map photo). On the Southwest side of the island, there was a recently marred Birch with the inscription 'HDHT3'...I think this is what was in the vid (photos below). I also included a pic of the camp (as well as some bonus shots of my wife with a pike and the rainbow over camp). Great trip and timed it well. Got this site right away upon entering on Tues...when leaving Friday the parking lot at Hog Creek was overflowing....not sure where those campers ended up sleeping once out at Perent.
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I thought using beaver wood as a fire wood is a violation"
Welcome to the board in any event! Glad you and your family had a good trip -- nice photos.
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08/24/2020 08:37AM |
HighnDry: "acanoer: "PolyphemusPariah: " We just got \
Welcome to the board in any event! Glad you and your family had a good trip -- nice photos."
thanks!
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08/24/2020 08:53AM |
PolyphemusPariah: " We just got from Perent Lake, and I'm fairly certain we stayed at the camp shown in the vid (see map photo). On the Southwest side of the island, there was a recently marred Birch with the inscription 'HDHT3'...I think this is what was in the vid (photos below). I also included a pic of the camp (as well as some bonus shots of my wife with a pike and the rainbow over camp). Great trip and timed it well. Got this site right away upon entering on Tues...when leaving Friday the parking lot at Hog Creek was overflowing....not sure where those campers ended up sleeping once out at Perent.
I saw your post on FB (I think), and wondered if you indeed were at that site. If that was your post - it was kind of you to offer up space for other campers when the lake filled up. Keep on keepin on!
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08/24/2020 09:49PM |
tumblehome: "Beaver wood is not a violation.Tom"
I guess it depends on where you collect it from.
We were told by a ranger at the Ely ranger station that it was illegal to collect firewood off of a beaver lodge or to collect firewood from the shoreline.
He said you had to be XX feet into the woods from the shoreline. I can't remember exactly how far he said but it should not be visible from the shoreline.
One sentence from the BWCAW Rules and Regulations:
"When making a fire only use dead wood found lying on the
ground; collect it away from campsites, portages, and shorelines
to prevent enlarging and defacing these areas."
Web page
Just trying to keep folks from getting into trouble.
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09/02/2020 09:58PM |
4keys: "So here is an idea, although unrealistic, expensive, and it would probably be vandalized .: Install scanners at every entry point where you would scan your permit or enter the permit number before you get on the water. While it would not stop some without a permit, it might enlighten some who had no clue. And the FS could get data on how many with permits are actually using them, maybe even number of people or canoes too. And if you scan when you leave the FS could get data on length of stay, and know who is still out there in case of a fire etc. Outfitters could have some modification of this on their computer.
Ok, yes I have a little too much time on my hands, and my mind is wandering.
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As an IT guy for a local government agency out of WI I would say this could be hard to come by from a hardware standpoint, and kinda hard to maintain too. Budget money might be better spent with the quiz idea mentioned earlier or other website/payment modifications.
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08/23/2020 06:34PM |
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08/23/2020 10:53PM |
I hope the Forest Service is able to take the action they determine is appropriate.
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08/24/2020 07:56AM |
tumblehome: "Beaver wood is not a violation.
Your camp looks beautiful!
I have spent a lot of time wondering why people treat the BWCA in a negative way.
Growing up, I had no mentor, nobody taught me wilderness values or respect of nature. And I am certain that nobody mentored the kids that are the focus of this thread. It is impossible to educate everyone that goes into the BWCA but after much reflection of the issue, I think education is the only answer. Enforcement and punishment are post-indecent responses. Too bad we can't stop it before it happens.
Tom"
Agree, Tom. Education is absolutely the answer. Thanks!