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09/16/2020 10:27PM |
bottomtothetap: "Maybe for the same reason they call it THE Ohio State University! :)"+1 Lolololololol
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09/19/2020 05:20PM |
andym: "In Southern California they call roads “the 101.” In northern California we just say “101.” It’s good. It helps us identify Dodgers fans. "
Cue SNL's The Californians. : )
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09/19/2020 06:02PM |
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09/19/2020 07:10PM |
However, if Argo says he lives in Ontario and it is always called just Quetico by the Canadians that is convincing and good enough for me.
So in two weeks when I am back up in the BW and on the border I will be sure to gaze across the water at........QUETICO.
Now if I can just remember the switch during my conversations about my favorite place in the world:QUETICO.
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09/20/2020 12:01PM |
billconner: "What next? The Wabakimi? The Woodlands (WCPP)? The Algonquin?"
Whoaaa...Slow down...one must earn the right to put “The” in front of the name...you can’t just start doing it for everything. Watch Monday night football...somehow when players say “The Ohio State” it is just pretentious enough to make you hate and love it at the same time. When other players do it, it just sounds like they are trying to hard. No one can get away with “The Florida State” or “The Iowa” no...that is trying to hard and silly. The only player to ever get away with it is Jared Allen when he said “The Culinary Academy” right after a fellow team mate had said “The Ohio State.” Now that had the proper sarcasm and silliness to be acceptable...
All jokes aside, I think it is multi factorial for “The Quetico”. Some of it is that is what people have called it for a long time, I’ve even seen magazine and newspaper articles use that term. So it just stuck out of habit and hearing it. That’s where I picked it up. I do think there is a pretentious part to it as well. When I first heard about The Quetico I was on a portage and this couple was talking down to us because we thought this mud sucking 240 rod beast of a portage was tough in 95 degree weather in June (they hadn’t done it yet)...they kept bragging about how they were Quetico veterans and everything in the boundary waters was easy...Quetico Snobs we called them :) So I am sure there is a part of some people that “The Quetico” is snobbish perhaps. Then a little of both...I do like “The Quetico” more than the BWCAW...it is “The” place to go :)
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09/17/2020 10:08AM |
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09/20/2020 09:26PM |
Spartan2: "OK. Interesting.
Now another one--why are some lakes referred to as "Lake____" , and almost all others are just ____________Lake?
For example, "Poplar Lake", "Clearwater Lake", "Caribou Lake". Or then you have "Lake Insula", "Lake Carol"."
Solely because I’m one of Miss Molly’s people by trade, and feeling particularly evil this evening, I commend to your attention the following example of federalism at its finest:
1. The state map for Lake Isabella State Forest - note the name appended to the body of water in question.
2. The feds’ version, as it appears here on BWCA.com and elsewhere.
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09/16/2020 06:12AM |
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09/17/2020 11:14PM |
andym: "MN_Lindsey just proved my point about southern and northern California. While 101 is in both regions, 405 is only in SoCal, and no one in northern California callS 1 the Pacific Coast Highway. In fact, in our town, if given a name, it is called Cabrillo Highway. But Cabrillo is a very local name.
So when they said people say “the 405” in California that is only true about SoCal. "
And Phoenix (east LA). I lived in Tucson for awhile, and our disdain for east LA is not unlike your disdain for LA proper. If I never hear “the 10” again, it will be too soon.
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09/17/2020 11:17PM |
Someday, I’ll get to Da Q, eh.
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09/15/2020 01:01PM |
Sincerely,
Molly the Nerd
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09/15/2020 04:58PM |
A.K.A. The BW/Q?
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09/15/2020 12:11PM |
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09/15/2020 10:29AM |
I've never heard anyone say, "The Wabakimi, The Woodland Caribou, The Algonquin, The Temagami".
So why "The Quetico"?
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09/15/2020 11:09AM |
Probably just some grammar thing where certain things sound correct one way versus the other.
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09/15/2020 11:03AM |
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09/15/2020 10:58AM |
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09/15/2020 11:10AM |
...and the hospital instead of "I'm going to hospital to see the new baby." Like they do across the pond.
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09/15/2020 11:14AM |
WHAT IS AN ARTICLE?
An article has the same basic function as an adjective in that it is used to describe a noun. There are two different articles in the English language: the and a/an. The is used to describe a specific noun, whereas a/an is used to describe a more general noun. For this reason, the is also referred to as a definite article, and a/an is referred to as an indefinite article.
The names of geographical places are specific nouns and, therefore, may
require definite articles. Do use “the” before the following specific nouns:
• Names of rivers, oceans, and seas
the Mississippi River, the Navesink River
the Atlantic Ocean, the Dead Sea
• Geographical areas
the Mediterranean, the Northern Hemisphere, the South
• Deserts, forests, gulfs, and peninsulas
the Gobi Desert, the Amazon
the Gulf of Mexico, the Baja Peninsula
• Groups of lakes, mountain ranges, and chains of islands
the Great Lakes, the Andes, the Rocky Mountains
the Canary Islands, the Virgin Islands, the Bahamas
However, no article is necessary before the following specific nouns:
• Singular names of countries or territories
Canada, Spain, Mexico, Puerto Rico
• Names of cities, towns or states
New York City, West Long Branch, New Jersey
This is a great example of many people knowing what 'sounds' right but really not knowing the rule itself.
If I say to someone I'm going to The Duluth to see one of Great Lakes is sounds hideous but they may not know exactly why.
Now back the The Quetico (and the BWCA) - it really appears these are exceptions to the rule. It is the proper name of a park. We don't say I'm going to The Yellowstone or The Split Rock Lighthouse State Park (although I think most people would say "The Split Rock Lighthouse" if they were just referring to the structure and not the park - which also appears to be breaking the rules here)
I feel sorry for all those people trying to learn English.
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09/15/2020 12:41PM |
Now another one--why are some lakes referred to as "Lake____" , and almost all others are just ____________Lake?
For example, "Poplar Lake", "Clearwater Lake", "Caribou Lake". Or then you have "Lake Insula", "Lake Carol".
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09/15/2020 01:22PM |
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09/15/2020 02:41PM |
Spartan2: "OK. Interesting.
Now another one--why are some lakes referred to as "Lake____" , and almost all others are just ____________Lake?
For example, "Poplar Lake", "Clearwater Lake", "Caribou Lake". Or then you have "Lake Insula", "Lake Carol"."
The lake I live on was always lake on 5... the county named it new lake. I like listening to people pronouncing piragis and even Ely... E-lie... haha.
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09/15/2020 02:07PM |
"The Quetico" as a place would be the same until it became a proper place, "Quetico Provincial Park". At which point "Quetico" would be more correct. But if you continue to think of it as the Quetico, you'll call it that.
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09/15/2020 02:23PM |
OneMatch: "Just curious, not wanting to start anything nutty. But I frequently see on many boards, etc paddlers often say going to "The Quetico". I've never seen it officially called anything more than "Quetico Provincial Park".
I've never heard anyone say, "The Wabakimi, The Woodland Caribou, The Algonquin, The Temagami".
So why "The Quetico"?
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Those are people who went to "An" Ohio State
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09/15/2020 02:55PM |
Banksiana: "Veteran trippers use "The Q" to demonstrate their vast experience. Then folks with limited experience think its acceptable to say "The Quetico"; exposing their want of experience in this landscape......"
and then you have those who really demonstrate their naivete by saying "kwe-TEEK-oh"
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09/15/2020 06:08PM |
Spartan2: "OK. Interesting.
Now another one--why are some lakes referred to as "Lake____" , and almost all others are just ____________Lake?
For example, "Poplar Lake", "Clearwater Lake", "Caribou Lake". Or then you have "Lake Insula", "Lake Carol"."
I have often wondered this very thing myself.
I hope someone can answer it...
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09/15/2020 05:33PM |
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09/15/2020 05:58PM |
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09/15/2020 09:31PM |
I'm guilty of this. Heard a buddy of mine saying it long before I ever went there, so that's where I picked it up. Honestly it does sound a lot cooler, so imma stick with it.
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09/15/2020 10:07PM |
When I lived in California - I always said, "I'm going to take the 101, to the PCH, and merge onto the 5... on the way home though I think I'm going to take the 405... " All highways/freeways are prefaced with the word "the"... it would be so weird to say Oh just take 101 to 405... ewww. I hated typing that...
....but now that I'm a Minnesotan [again] I NEVER say, I'm going to take the 35 to the 694, to the 61... that's just nuts.
Your official answer is... just because.
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09/15/2020 08:01PM |
nctry: "Spartan2: "OK. Interesting.
Now another one--why are some lakes referred to as "Lake____" , and almost all others are just ____________Lake?
For example, "Poplar Lake", "Clearwater Lake", "Caribou Lake". Or then you have "Lake Insula", "Lake Carol"."
The lake I live on was always lake on 5... the county named it new lake. I like listening to people pronouncing piragis and even Ely... E-lie... haha."
Piragis... those are the delicious fried dumplings from Eastern Europe right?!
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09/15/2020 08:23PM |
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09/15/2020 08:26PM |
OldTripper: "Spartan2: "OK. Interesting.
Now another one--why are some lakes referred to as "Lake____" , and almost all others are just ____________Lake?
For example, "Poplar Lake", "Clearwater Lake", "Caribou Lake". Or then you have "Lake Insula", "Lake Carol"."
I have often wondered this very thing myself.
I hope someone can answer it..."
That's a stumper for me as well. I can only assume it has to do with immigrants in MN at the time. After all, we have people from Ireland (I think thats where Nessy lives) calling Loch Ness (Lake Ness) vs Ness Lake. Guess it depends on who's turn it was to name something lol.
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09/15/2020 09:00PM |
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09/15/2020 10:32PM |
As a kid many of my classmates simply said “let’s go Ely” or “let’s go Town”. Sounded right back then on the Iron Range.
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09/15/2020 11:56PM |
GraniteCliffs: "I grew up going to The Quetico. Twenty years ago I met a guy that is now a very close friend of mine. He always went to Quetico. I have been to the Q with him every year since I met him and we still have not resolved this life and death issue.
As a kid many of my classmates simply said “let’s go Ely” or “let’s go Town”. Sounded right back then on the Iron Range. "
In college we shorted these even more...In our case it was "Go Hardees" . Based on the delivery it could either be a suggestion, a question, or a command.
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09/16/2020 05:51AM |
minnmike: " A quick check on the Google says it indeed is just Quetico. The Google can't be wrong."
LOL
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09/16/2020 08:17AM |
okinaw55: "OldTripper: "Spartan2: "OK. Interesting.
Now another one--why are some lakes referred to as "Lake____" , and almost all others are just ____________Lake?
For example, "Poplar Lake", "Clearwater Lake", "Caribou Lake". Or then you have "Lake Insula", "Lake Carol"."
I have often wondered this very thing myself.
I hope someone can answer it..."
That's a stumper for me as well. I can only assume it has to do with immigrants in MN at the time. After all, we have people from Ireland (I think thats where Nessy lives) calling Loch Ness (Lake Ness) vs Ness Lake. Guess it depends on who's turn it was to name something lol."
My guess would be that it might be influenced by the French name for the lake. Lac La Croix, Lac Courte Oreilles in WI, Lac La Belle and so on.....
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09/16/2020 08:33AM |
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09/16/2020 10:06AM |
Talk to anyone from what is often referred to as "The Ukraine" and the citizens just say "Ukraine". In fact I believe their was even a concerted effort by them to educate the rest of the world to call them "Ukraine".
Tourists to the Algarve region in Portugal always refer to it as "The Algarve" for some reason but the Portuguese simply say "Algarve".
So to my friends from The America, it's just Quetico ;)
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09/16/2020 10:30AM |
The whole area was known as the Quetico/Superior area before the parks were started, so maybe that is why it has held it's article.
Different languages, French and Spanish notably, have the modifier swapped from the English language. For example, "red car" in English, "voiture rouge" in French, and "carro rojo" in Spanish. Most of the early explorations were by people using these three languages. That certainly is the case with Lac LaCroix, but may have ties to the others as well?
Fun questions though!
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09/16/2020 11:06AM |
marsonite: "Anyone ever been to the Yellowstone?"
I tried this spring but THE COVID said noway. So instead I went to THE BWCA!
FOFO
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09/16/2020 10:53AM |
Go Ukraine. Awesome Stosh! Have a nice time on your trip to the Ukraine. Let me know if you want to go to the Boundary Waters on a canoe trip.
Go canoe. Fish fish. Mush mush smush mush.
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09/16/2020 11:40AM |
So when they said people say “the 405” in California that is only true about SoCal.
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09/18/2020 04:26PM |
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09/19/2020 05:35PM |
Portage99:
Cue SNL's The Californians. : )"
Absolutely.
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09/19/2020 07:23PM |
billconner: "What next? The Wabakimi? The Woodlands (WCPP)? The Algonquin?"
What's next is the the billconner.