Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: Used canoes and sales tax/licensing
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cowdoc |
If a canoe is sold privately multiple times but by chance its original receipt/invoice travels with the canoe (i know im not that organized in MY forward thinking), does that proof of the original sales tax count for the life of the boat?....no matter how many private sales it goes through? Also, if a canoe has been previously registered, I assume that is some "proof" that the state has collected its sales tax on it somewhere along the line and the transfer option solves the issue. The question lies with the previously unregistered canoes. |
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R1verrunner |
Because you don't state that fact. It is hard to answer the question. |
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marsonite |
R1verrunner: "It all depends on what state you live in. Should have said Minnesota |
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spud |
The bill of sale I had provided to the clerk was not sufficient for her, due to the name on the bill of sale not matching the name of the last registered owner.. So my answer to your questions: * No tax was needed for transferring a used canoe to a new registered owner * The name of the bill of sale *may* need to match the name of the last registered owner. This makes sense I guess as if i sold a canoe that wasnt mine, the bill of sale really is meaningless.. |
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awbrown |
R1verrunner: "It all depends on what state you live in. You're right. Every state is different.. |
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nctry |
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billconner |
jhb8426: "A1t2o: "Personally I think registration of canoes is dumb. If there were a motor then fine but how is a canoe different from a paddle board or a tube going down the river? " Who cares? Does not justify disrespect and criticism of another poster. |
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A1t2o |
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jhb8426 |
A1t2o: "Personally I think registration of canoes is dumb. If there were a motor then fine but how is a canoe different from a paddle board or a tube going down the river? " Totally irrelevant response to the question. The OP is not questioning the reasoning for registration or sales tax, but the procedures for dealing with the current regulations. |
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billconner |
Iowa (>13') Minnesota (>10') Connecticut (>19.5') Ohio Oregon (not register, but "waterway access permits" required for >10') Pennsylvania ("if used used at a Fish & Boat Commission access area or lake, or at Pennsylvania state parks and state forests; or required by the owner.") From outdoortroop.com, and at least 3 years old because I deleted Illinois and Wisconsin which best I can tell stopped requiring registering non-motorized boats. Corrections? Useful list to have around here. |
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THEGrandRapids |
A1t2o: "Personally I think registration of canoes is dumb. If there were a motor then fine but how is a canoe different from a paddle board or a tube going down the river? Sales tax on private sales too. Seems like overreach. Is there any real reason for the registration? Maybe I just don't get it and feel like it is pointless bureaucratics to impose a fee, but the whole process just feels like jumping through hoops for no good reason. " Paddle boards need to be registered & licensed too.... anything over 10'... I'm waiting for my one shot of ignorance. |
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marsonite |
Penobscot |
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A1t2o |
THEGrandRapids: "A1t2o: "Personally I think registration of canoes is dumb. If there were a motor then fine but how is a canoe different from a paddle board or a tube going down the river? Sales tax on private sales too. Seems like overreach. Is there any real reason for the registration? Maybe I just don't get it and feel like it is pointless bureaucratics to impose a fee, but the whole process just feels like jumping through hoops for no good reason. " Does that mean that a foam pad swim platform needs to be licensed too? Asking about the reasoning for the registration was a serious question though. What is the point or benefit to registering every canoe, kayak, and paddle board on the water? Following with the spirit of the law, shouldn't it be anything with a motor or other means of mechanical propulsion? |
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THEGrandRapids |
A1t2o: "THEGrandRapids: "A1t2o: "Personally I think registration of canoes is dumb. If there were a motor then fine but how is a canoe different from a paddle board or a tube going down the river? Sales tax on private sales too. Seems like overreach. Is there any real reason for the registration? Maybe I just don't get it and feel like it is pointless bureaucratics to impose a fee, but the whole process just feels like jumping through hoops for no good reason. " Revenue generation / funding. I don't understand what you mean about the spirit of the law and how that changes with non motorized vs motorized. I would think usage is usage. The fee structure already reflects the difference between watercraft size. Government has a right to manage the land / water they have under their jurisdiction. If there were no public boat launches, many "public waters" would be private as they have private land completely surrounding. The foam pads? They are not a watercraft. They would probably be considered a swimming raft, which left overnight, would need a county permit issued by the sheriff, similar to mooring buoys, which last time I bought one was $5 and you had to have a permit number on it, but if removed from sunset to sunrise, do not need any permit. As far as taxing between two private parties.... that doesn't make any sense. I buy stuff all the time from "private" companies. I'm still subject to sales tax. Do I think its an aggressive stance by MN? Yes, but that's how the laws are written. Everything is subject to sales or use tax between any parties, unless its specifically carved out by a MN sales tax rule. Its just a matter of how the state can enforce collection, and one way they can do it is if an item needs to be registered they have a mechanism to collect the tax. I've had to prove sales tax was paid on a used canoe. What is interesting, is the watercraft used only for duck hunting do not need to be licensed. The duck hunters must have had good lobbying. |
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billconner |
I'm with don't register non-motorized vehicles, canoes, kayaks, bikes, skate boards, gliders, and so on. Motorized are generally faster, noiser, and worse on environment. |
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jhb8426 |
We've been down this bottomless pit before. |
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THEGrandRapids |
jhb8426: "This has strayed so far from the OP's original question... I'm not seeing this stray very far from the question. Other than a couple people that don't think MN should tax non retail sales, its all been about taxing watercraft and what you need to do- which apparently differs depending on who you get at the licensing place. |
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marsonite |
I'm wondering, will the new buyer have to pay sales tax? I have a bill of sale from my neighbor. I'm wondering if I can just write another bill of sale to the new buyer, but maybe that isn't necessary. How does licensing a canoe even work? TIA |
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nctry |
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jhb8426 |
To transfer a boat license: DNR Universal Registration Form |
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billconner |
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HighnDry |
nctry: "When licensing they would ask for proof of sales tax paid or they will collect that there. Unless things have changed... but I had to prove I paid it or I’d have to pay it to them. " This is correct. The boat can bought and sold privately but the state will need proof of sales tax paid or will require it when registering the boat. That doesn't mean that it's always processed that way... |