Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: And so it begins - getting my canoe body on
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Wallidave |
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PeaceFrog |
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DRob1992 |
scat: "I was replying to SlowElk’s post about exercising, then I saw your back paddle. Your’s aren’t worth commenting on any further. Fair enough and, since you're not worth it either, we can squash it. |
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papalambeau |
scat: "I will just throw this thought in here for the hey of it. Sometimes the guys who are all into working out and spend half their day looking at themselves in the mirror are the biggest wussbags of all. It’s mostly about the heart and attitude. Some of the smallest scrawniest people are the best tripping partners to be with. My usual partner on trips has been bringing his gf Heather who is 5’ 3” 105 lbs soaking wet on the last couple trips and she is tougher and more of a wilderness warrior than any guy I’ve ever been with. Always smiling and she is a great cooker too! I told Nick we should figure out how to clone her, but he said, no, I’ll just keep her to myself. Can’t blame him for that." I hear you Scat. Heart and mental attitude are the key. I coached high school football for 25 years and I saw this played out all the time on the gridiron. Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane are always a coaches biggest challenge. I know with my grandkids going on multiple trips now, they aren't big and strong yet, but they are all heart and mentally tough. I'll take them anytime over a brute who whines through tough weather or a tough portage. |
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Speckled |
scat: "I will just throw this thought in here for the hey of it. Sometimes the guys who are all into working out and spend half their day looking at themselves in the mirror are the biggest wussbags of all. It’s mostly about the heart and attitude. Some of the smallest scrawniest people are the best tripping partners to be with. My usual partner on trips has been bringing his gf Heather who is 5’ 3” 105 lbs soaking wet on the last couple trips and she is tougher and more of a wilderness warrior than any guy I’ve ever been with. Always smiling and she is a great cooker too! I told Nick we should figure out how to clone her, but he said, no, I’ll just keep her to myself. Can’t blame him for that." I witnessed this on a trip. Myself and two of my usual tripping partners, all desk jockey's and in what could be described as the worst shape of our lives, had a trip planned to enter at Fall Lake, and make our way up to Crooked, seeing the falls and picto's along the way. I mentioned to a work friend and he expressed some interest. He was a late 20's gym rat. No question - the guy was in way better shape than any of the rest of us slouches. Paddling 4 solo's all the way through basswood, we decided, make sure you have at least one other person in sight. Turns out myself and gym rat are much stronger paddlers and make our way up to the mile long portage at the end/leaving basswood and entering the basswood river. I hit the portage, pack comes out of the canoe and onto my back, boat goes off to the side and down the trail I go. I make my way back to the canoe and find the gym rat just getting ready for his crossing with his boat. He'd struggled a bit with the previous portages and decided to take a little break, pump some water, have a snack. So I grab my boat, he grabs his boat and off we go with him behind me. I get to the end and he's no longer behind me. This portage...while long isn't terrible. It's fairly flat and wide open. I decided to have a snack, re apply some bug spray and end up leaning against my pack and catching a quick cat nap. I awake...see he's not there, thinking he's probably on his way for his second trip...a quick look around and see his boat isn't hear yet. Geez - I hope he didn't fall and hurt himself, I start back down the portage and find him about half way, sitting beside the trail on a log, with his boat on the ground. I ask if he's all right, his answer is "I can't carry the boat, I don't know how you do it. My shoulders are killing me. I pick it up and I can go a little ways and then I have to put it down again." The dude just broke under the weight of portaging. I had to help him on every portage for the rest of the trip. |
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Speckled |
I hoist the canoe up on our second portage and start down the trail. This sucks - I don't think I can do it. What am I going to do. Second thought is - I just watched my buddy do it on the portage prior and I watched a guy smaller than me do it on the portage prior as well. I'm not going to be that guy. One foot in front of the other and down the trail you go. Each subsequent portage after that got easier. |
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scat |
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ockycamper |
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Stumpy |
I have to turn that around. |
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HayRiverDrifter |
bhouse46: "Like others I have regular exercise, stretching and relaxation routines. These include paddling and hiking. As a trip nears I carry my loaded packs on my hikes and put them in the canoe when I paddle. I paddle more including two or more days in a row. At 75 I want to know all the gear is working before I enter the wilderness. Ya, please don't tell my wife about the hanging clothing on the line thing ;-) Thanks Actually a really good suggestion. Get a workout and earn some points. |
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KarlaWithaK |
Rhomboid strength exercises |
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YetiJedi |
scat: "I exercise year round. Walk 3-5 miles and do 80 sit-ups a day. Lift weights every other day with the same weights and bench I bought my freshman year in high school, almost 50 years ago. Good luck, Scat, with your cat scan. I hope you receive good news on Tuesday and get to enjoy another season paddling the bwca. Here's to finding something to believe in! All the best... |
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airmorse |
When I travel for work I bring my resistance bands. I put a bath towel on the floor of the hotel room to do my crunches and leg lifts. Not comfortable yet using the hotels exercise room. My resting pulse is in the low to mid 40's. Keep weight in check. Eat healthy. Everything in moderation. Don't smoke and don't drink to excess. Doing just a few of those will improve one's health. |
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scat |
I'll add this - For whatever reason I always had a positive outlook on the whole thing. Never forget the only time I had a male nurse and he laughed at me, Dude! I've never seen so many pumps attached to one person! I had ten pumps pushing twelve different fluids into a pick in my arm at the same time, getting my dinner out of a green bag on St. Patty's Day. I have a pic of it giving the peace sign with a smile on my face. Had a 5" softball sized tumor in my chest and a blob in my bile duct, whatever that is, and had the start of an infection and came really close to cashing in the chips, which I really wasn't aware of at the time. I wrote a note on the board, saying, Hey Doc, Gimme Gimme Shock Treatment! for levity and a salute to the Ramones. They got a kick out of it. All that said, really wasn't that bad for me and what the hey, saved me a fortune in haircuts! As always, Cheers! scat |
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airmorse |
I hope you get a clean bill of health Scat. Good for you for taking the high road. |
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DRob1992 |
scat: "Wow, what a strange thing to say. Not sure how to take that, other than it seems incredibly sexist. What diff does it make if a canoe partner is a ‘chick’ or a guy. Have fun with the boys. Wowza." You'll notice that I did say 205 lb person... So it no way was that sexist... |
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DRob1992 |
scat: "Wow, what a strange thing to say. Not sure how to take that, other than it seems incredibly sexist. What diff does it make if a canoe partner is a ‘chick’ or a guy. Have fun with the boys. Wowza." So, to provide you an example that relates to what I said... I would take a 6'3 205 pound woman over a 5'3 105 pound woman if each of those two ladies had the same exact attributes, attitude, intelligence, body language, etc. |
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scotttimm |
I've been working out 4-5x per week for about an hour 20 minutes. I warm up on a bike for 20 minutes, then 30 minutes on the rowing machine...working my minutes up on it each week. Then back to the bike for another 20 minutes to keep the sweat going. I think that the rowing machine has done more to strengthen my back and give me the best workout than anything else. Then I work my way through machines focused on upper body, shoulders, back, etc. The stair machine is my new nemesis. I'm starting to move to more leg exercises. I'm looking forward to where I will be in another 14 weeks. My goal is really to slim down and reduce knee strain, strengthen my core, back, upper body. I'd love to lose another 15. Diet has also been critical, as has cutting out 90% of my alcohol consumption. I feel great. And I'm less anxious about doing 260 miles in 8 days as I get in better shape. As to the original question, I would think lat pulldowns, shoulder presses, etc would do a lot. |
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DRob1992 |
scat: "I will just throw this thought in here for the hey of it. Sometimes the guys who are all into working out and spend half their day looking at themselves in the mirror are the biggest wussbags of all. It’s mostly about the heart and attitude. Some of the smallest scrawniest people are the best tripping partners to be with. My usual partner on trips has been bringing his gf Heather who is 5’ 3” 105 lbs soaking wet on the last couple trips and she is tougher and more of a wilderness warrior than any guy I’ve ever been with. Always smiling and she is a great cooker too! I told Nick we should figure out how to clone her, but he said, no, I’ll just keep her to myself. Can’t blame him for that." But ain't it great when you get both in one package. No offense to that 5'3 105 lb chick... I'm sure she's a warrior and a bad***... But I'll take the 205 lb person who is of equal mental toughness and intelligence. Not saying I'd deny the smaller chick as a part of my trip group. She can come, too. |
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HowardSprague |
I’m glad I looked at this thread again. The comment about how you use relatively unused muscles on these trips reminded me that last year I picked up one of these BOSU things. You can step on these things in different ways and do different exercises that help your balancing and lateral muscles. These are areas I tend not to work very well no matter how much I might go to the gym or get out on the roads and run. I’ve always had pretty crappy balance as it is, and when I’m on a portage that has a couple boards side-by-side to walk on, I am inclined to walk in the muddy area along side of them since I’m less likely to fall off. I’d better get back to using this thing. |
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DRob1992 |
scat: "Aww - don’t go away mad Drob, just... Your using the word ‘chick’ twice in your post pretty much said it all. My original point was it doesn’t matter the size or strength of a person, it is the heart inside that matters most. I just used my good friend Heather as an example. Next time you let a 6’ 3” 205 lb woman come as part of your ‘trip group’ please share a pic, I’d like to see that." Also, you suggesting that a 6'3 woman is so rare that she needs to be photographed is odd to me. I don't know if they make them small where you're from, but I've had a dozen or more women friends at various points in life that have been 6'3 or taller. |
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JWilder |
Keeps me active and I get plenty of fresh air. JW |
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SlowElk |
I do not believe the gym/exercise can replace the actual motions your body goes through, but it doesnt hurt either. Both are good. I would say you are probably better off with a gym body, then just from paddling/portaging alone. If you can get outside that wont hurt either. I think many women are better hikers then their husbands, probably for this one reason alone. They actually spend time walking. The mental aspect is everything, if you are positive and happy. Makes for a better trip. |
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DRob1992 |
scat: "Oh well, I tried to post a link but I’m not so handy with it. Picture a weathered faced swami with a turban sitting cross legged on a mat being questioned by a wanting virile young man in a sweat suit. It goes like this: Ya man and I heard once that a fool must always get the last word. Better let me have the last word, right? |
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EddyTurn |
scat: "I will just throw this thought in here for the hey of it. Sometimes the guys who are all into working out and spend half their day looking at themselves in the mirror are the biggest wussbags of all. " It's quite a far-fetched way to mix those working out with those looking in the mirror. I don't see the point and I don't know what the author has against gym rats, but it's not a healthy analogy. In my experience an average biggest wussbag tends to be athletically challenged. |
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scat |
Sorry DRob, that don't fly with me, nice try tho. |
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DRob1992 |
scat: "Well said, no matter how much you engage in traditional work out exercises a BW trip with portaging etc will tax muscles you never will reach until you get out there and do it. Your hands, core and others, just bending over as much as you do, you can never simulate that in a gym. I never once made the argument that gym workouts simulate portaging, paddling, etc. I'm not really sure that you even know what you're talking about at this point, scat. |
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Blatz |
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TrailZen |
HayRiverDrifter: "What's your plan to get your canoe body on? I try to maintain fitness levels throughout the year via frequent hiking and a daily exercise routine. Best thing we did for neck/shoulder pain was to buy a pair of carbon fiber paddles. TZ |
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PeaceFrog |
Cut beer out (not as tough as I thought it would be) Stretching Chop Wood Wear Ankle Weights At Work |
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scat |
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HayRiverDrifter |
With permits secured for a couple of trips this year, it's time to step it up and start working out the kinks from sitting on my butt working at a computer. My personal trainer (the Wife) works me out three days a week, but I like to start hiking in the woods to gain hip and core strength. I walk two miles in the snow three days a week with no load, then add a 30 lb pack, and eventually a canoe also. It gets exciting in about a month when you can hoof it up the hills without slowing down. By my first trip in June, I should be able to do a mile with pack and canoe without too much trouble. What's your plan to get your canoe body on? I do have one specific question for the group. How do you strengthen the area at the base of your neck and down between your shoulder blades? At then end of a long paddle day, that's where I really feel it. |
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PeaceFrog |
I do have one specific question for the group. How do you strengthen the area at the base of your neck and down between your shoulder blades? At then end of a long paddle day, that's where I really feel it." This I do not have an answer for but my first thought would be a rowing machine or similar type motion when working out. |
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Voyager |
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DRob1992 |
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YetiJedi |
I walk 3-4 miles every other day and my dog (lab) loves to run the fields and woods by our home. The walks are always better when my daughter or wife comes along. I do core workouts every other day mostly following youtube videos of people who look like I never will! I also lift weights, low-key in the basement, twice a week. The start of the new year and drawing a few permits both encourage me to eat better after the holiday splurge. I track my food, limit calories, and eat healthier...always makes my exercise more effective. Only 93 days until my first trip of the year into the great BWCA!!! |
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scat |
I look at it this way, exercise is the only thing in life that you get out of it exactly what you put into it. You do the work you reap the benefits. Can’t say the same for the job or relationships, which can often disappoint no matter how hard you try. Conversely, you can’t get lucky, like win the lottery and suddenly be fit, you have to do the work. So I guess I need something to believe in, to know when I do this I will get that. With winter I have been walking 4 miles a day. There is a 2 mile paved track in a local forest preserve so no ice to contend with, it’s a bit over an hour and a half with driving and I can work it in. Once in a while I skip a day but not often. Walking helps calm my nerves for the day, helps me sleep, and lifting has many benefits. Sit-ups to keep the core strong and avoid problems with the back. I generally eat healthy, avoid the booze, and get my fair share of cookies and ice cream daily. I’ll throw in I almost died of cancer 5 years ago, spent a delightful 23 days in the hospital, had chemo and all that happy scene, still have my chemo port in my chest, get scans and see the doctor, so exercising sure isn’t the worst idea. Have a cat scan next Tuesday just to look around. When buddies I haven’t seen in a while say I look fit and trim, my line is, get cancer dude, works like a charm! That’s my story and I’m stickin to it. Cheers, scat |
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SummerSkin |
I’ve tried strength training, but I just can’t build muscle. Don’t know if it’s a genetic thing or what. But if I’ve been running, I have tons more energy on my trips; sometimes enough to even run on the portage trail after carrying the canoe if my partner needs help with the other gear. |
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pastorjsackett |
On my off days from him I do body weight work in my basement: chin-ups, sit-ups, push ups. And also resistance bands--there are good band workouts on youtube from bodybuilding.com. They don't do the same as a full 60 minutes in the gym but in a pinch they get your heart rate up. Now that is it shed hunting season, I follow my 24 year old trekking partner son up and down snow-covered hills looking for antlers. Last Friday we went 12 miles and 6 more on Saturday. Now if only I could keep myself from living in the fridge all night when I'm home from work..... |
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papalambeau |
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DRob1992 |
scat: "Military press and upright rowing would be my suggestion. Don't need a machine, just the effort with regular free weights." Yes and definitely lat pull downs would be a tremendous help. Normally, you'd pull down to your chest with those lat pull downs. But in order to hit the area that you are looking to strengthen, pull all the way down behind your head. You really don't need much weight. Try to squeeze and hold once the bar is behind your head. |
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bhouse46 |
One exercise for the upper back/shoulders. Hang clothing on a line. The squatting to get the items from the basket and bringing them above your head and pinning them to the line does wonders. Obviously, most of us do not hang clothes, but use those movements with a bit of weight and you will feel it. |
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HowardSprague |
As for the neck/shoulder blade thing, maybe a lat pull down machine? What I really need to do is a lot of stretching/yoga type stuff. Getting in and out of canoes, turning and bending while lifting,… I think stretching and regaining some limberness might be the most beneficial of all. My New Year resolution is to exercise a minimum of 25 days every month of 2022. Some days I don’t want to go to the gym, or running outside Isn’t realistic, so we got a Schwinn stationary bike and at a minimum I’ll put in 30 minutes on that while watching tv. |
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EddyTurn |
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scat |
Cheers, scat |
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SlowElk |
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SlowElk |
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scat |
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DRob1992 |
scat: "Aww - don’t go away mad Drob, just... Your using the word ‘chick’ twice in your post pretty much said it all. My original point was it doesn’t matter the size or strength of a person, it is the heart inside that matters most. I just used my good friend Heather as an example. Next time you let a 6’ 3” 205 lb woman come as part of your ‘trip group’ please share a pic, I’d like to see that." You're beating a dead horse by keeping your stance on me being 'sexist'. My comment wasn't sexist. I love to see empowered women and I 100% believe that women can keep up and be badasses on a physically demanding wilderness trip and keep a positive attitude all-the-while. Open that close-minded brain just a bit, scat. |
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Lawnchair107 |
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PeaceFrog |
Stumpy: "Last two years, have put me in the worst shape in my life. You can do it Stumpy. One day at a time then it will become routine. Best - PF |
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scat |
What is the secret to eternal happiness? To not argue with fools. I disagree. Yes, you are right. |
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scat |
Over and out. |
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GopherAdventure |
Lawnchair107: "Paging member Tony here. You do Tony’s workouts for a couple months, and you’ll be running with a canoe on your shoulders, too." Thanks for the page…I’m currently working on Canoe Trip Workout #4 that I’ll post here when it’s complete. Hopefully it will give some people useful stuff to help get ready for the spring. Tony |
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Speckled |
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justpaddlin |
Seems like your neck/shoulder pain could easily be caused by leaning forward looking into a computer with your neck tense and locked in one position for a long time. You could try stretches like lying face down and just pushing yourself up with your arms and arching your back and neck backwards. A deep tissue sports massage focused in that area could also do wonders. Or regular swimming. Oh, and Mr river drifter, I paddle against the current. So if you're looking for exercise you may be paddling in the wrong direction. ;) |