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Magneticnorth
11/15/2024 11:53PM
  
While it could be that this is one of many steps Canada may take to enforce border control, I think it seems like an odd target. To qualify for RABC you have to apply, provide personal information, have documentation and passport. A person contemplating a covert crossing surely would not be able to provide such documentation or would not want to. And if you did have everything you needed to get an RABC you would also have everything you need to drive across easily at a port of entry without bothering with the RABC process or a an expedition requiring planning, special gear, and skill. So I don’t really see the political connection to the pause, other than by suspicious timing. But also if you were implementing some back end changes it would seem like pre-freeze / post peak November might be the most opportune time to do so.
 
tumblehome
11/16/2024 08:20AM
  
Canada Border Crossing Services agency is the Government agency responsible for the flow of people entering Canada at all entry points and by all methods of entry.


https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/menu-eng.html


The RABC is just one of many ways to enter Canada and while we know how it’s used more than anyone, you can see how Canadian Gov’t officials in Ottawa don’t hardly even know how it works like we do.


Putting a blanket pause on all.. let’s call it.. ‘secondary forms of entry into Canada’ was enacted so those same people can get a better understanding of how it works, how it’s enforced, and how to prevent unlawful immigration of non-citizens. I’m sure there are many other facets to their immigration program that will be affected other than the RABC.


Anyone on this forum knows that an RABC would be a last choice for a person to unlawfully use the program to enter Canada but try telling that to a suit in an office a 1000 miles away.
Tom
 
ockycamper
11/16/2024 09:05AM
  
So at this point, to get to Quetico you have to go to a point of entry with a passport?


BWCA is going to be like during COVID
 
thegildedgopher
11/16/2024 02:57PM
  
I sure hope magnetic north is right and this is just a pause to figure things out.


My conjecture is that they just want to simplify things during a time when resources are likely to be strained. If they make all remote border crossings illegal they don’t have the to spend time and resources determining if people observed crossing in these areas are doing so legally. This makes it more efficient to allocate resources to confront these folks.


I am wondering if they will amend the newish policy that allows us to cross to the Canadian side of border lakes without an RABC if we don’t come ashore, anchor on the Canadian side, or make contact with another boat. Hoping not. That would kill fishing on the Canadian side of lakes like Gunflint, Saganaga, North, etc.
 
rick00001967
11/17/2024 06:27AM
  
for what its worth.....from a canadian member......i read most (but not all of the posts here).
as much as i understand the desire for a conversation on this topic, i would suggest there is no need to panic.
yes our gov has decided to review and possibly make some changes to our border protection system with the intent of being able to better deal with any possible increase in immigrant traffic from the u.s.
but to think they believe there will be some type of mass influx through the remote areas of MN is pretty silly.
it is more likely that the program you all are discussing is just a small part of a much bigger picture, and the program is being reviewed (like all other aspects of border protection) in order to improve it.
most likely it will make the system run better in the future with less security concerns.
so imho, i would wait to see how things go through the winter, and keep your eyes open for any new changes announced for the coming spring.

 
thegildedgopher
11/14/2024 10:02PM
  
Neither the headline nor the article mentions the RABC. Canada preparing for a rise in border crossings is directly connected to the threat of mass deportations. Nowhere does it say that the pause of the RABC is part of said preparations. You’re drawing conclusions which seem reasonable enough, but we don’t know anything for certain.
 
Findian
11/16/2024 06:52AM
  
I agree using a RABC permit to enter Canada illegally is unlikely. More likely to just cross in the back country without a permit. I crossed without a permit for many years. I have had a permit for the last 30 plus years. Things changed after 911 and enforcement increased on both sides. More so on the US side.


Maybe it is more about border personal and resources.


I wonder what will happen at Sand Point as well as Prairie Portage and Cache Bay.
 
LindenTree
11/16/2024 09:52AM
  
ockycamper: "So at this point, to get to Quetico you have to go to a point of entry with a passport?

BWCA is going to be like during COVID"
You don't need a passport. An Enhanced Drivers License will work for entry into Canada and Mexico.
Enhanced Drivers License
 
Minnesotian
11/13/2024 07:46AM
  
OneMatch: "tumblehome: "Surely it isnt related to the immigrant exodus that is about to happen?

Not a political statement.

Tom"
I think it is definitely related. Here is an article about the fear of migrants coming to Canada to escape deportation in the US:

article "
Yep, "pausing" the RABC is directly connected to Canada's anticipation of many more border crossings. Another article from the CBC: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/canada-quebec-mass-deportations-migrants-1.7376532
 
thegildedgopher
11/13/2024 10:30AM
  
Minnesotian: "OneMatch: "tumblehome: "Surely it isnt related to the immigrant exodus that is about to happen?


Not a political statement.


Tom"
I think it is definitely related. Here is an article about the fear of migrants coming to Canada to escape deportation in the US:


article "
Yep, "pausing" the RABC is directly connected to Canada's anticipation of many more border crossings. Another article from the CBC: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/canada-quebec-mass-deportations-migrants-1.7376532 "


“Directly connected” — I think I missed that part of the article, or the part where they mention the RABC at all. I agree it’s likely that Canada is trying to limit the number of people crossing the border in remote areas so they don’t have to weed through who is legal and who isn’t. But I don’t see the point in making claims of certainty when this hasn’t been acknowledged by the Canadian government to this point.
 
tumblehome
11/14/2024 02:09PM
  
jaimed: "Also seems to reason, trippers that used to visit Q will now add to the crushing hordes in the BW. Great..."


Well maybe but probably not too many hoardes of Q visitors.
Certainly during covid there was an irruption of quetico campers into the bwca, myself being one of them. With a pause of RABC we still have northern entries available. With that, the northern Q might see a hoarde of displaced southern Q campers.
I hope it gets resolved. Canada is very gracious to even offer an RABC to use wild Yankees.
Tom
 
deerfoot
11/14/2024 04:18PM
  
I am hoping my annual trips(s) to Canada since 2007 (with the exception of the two Covid years) will provide a long term record that I visit for 1-3 weeks at a time and always exit in the time frame I reported upon entry.
 
timatkn
11/13/2024 04:48PM
  
thegildedgopher: "Minnesotian: "OneMatch: "tumblehome: "Surely it isnt related to the immigrant exodus that is about to happen?



Not a political statement.



Tom"
I think it is definitely related. Here is an article about the fear of migrants coming to Canada to escape deportation in the US:



article "
Yep, "pausing" the RABC is directly connected to Canada's anticipation of many more border crossings. Another article from the CBC: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/canada-quebec-mass-deportations-migrants-1.7376532 "



“Directly connected” — I think I missed that part of the article, or the part where they mention the RABC at all. I agree it’s likely that Canada is trying to limit the number of people crossing the border in remote areas so they don’t have to weed through who is legal and who isn’t. But I don’t see the point in making claims of certainty when this hasn’t been acknowledged by the Canadian government to this point."


I get what you are saying we can't say for certain...but the timing and the way this was rolled out seems quite suspicious. I think we are unlikely to get direct acknowledgement from the Canadian Government, this isn't the US...they aren't required to give a reason.


T
 
billconner
12/15/2024 12:59PM
  
I wish someone would stop referring to the prime minister as Governor Trudeau and suggesting Canada could become the 51st state. Can't help this issue.

 
Findian
11/12/2024 10:31AM
  
tumblehome: "Surely it isnt related to the immigrant exedous that is about to happen?



Not a political statement.
Tom" You can troll but I will not bite. If for no other reason, than respect for those that run this forum.
 
tumblehome
11/12/2024 01:24PM
  
Dude, not trolling.


It’s a very plausible explanation until we hear otherwise.
Tom
 
airmorse
11/12/2024 02:53PM
  
tumblehome: "Dude, not trolling.

It’s a very plausible explanation until we hear otherwise.

Tom"
100%
 
plmn
11/12/2024 05:54AM
  
Given their inability or unwillingness to properly communicate what they are doing, I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
tumblehome
11/12/2024 10:08AM
  
Surely it isn't related to the immigrant exodus that is about to happen?

Not a political statement.

Tom
 
Findian
11/11/2024 07:39PM
  
With nothing in the way of a public announcement, the Canadian government has “paused the processing of new and renewal applications” for a program that allows travelers to cross into certain remote parts of the Boundary Waters region.

“The Remote Area Border Crossing (RABC) Program is not suspended and existing permit holders may continue to use their permits to cross the Canada-U.S. border,” said Karine Martel, who works as a communications advisor for the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA). Martel shared the information with Paddle and Portage Nov. 11. link
 
thegildedgopher
11/11/2024 10:55PM
  
That’s concerning. I’m hoping this is the case:


“Martel said the pause in processing permits is so that the agency can ‘work on reviewing and updating our procedures.’ When asked to clarify what that statement means, Martel did not respond as of the time this article was published.”


I’ll be the first to say that their system of procedures for processing and communication decisions is horribly inefficient. So if this is about taking a breather to fix that, it could be a positive move.
 
billconner
11/12/2024 06:24PM
  
Agree.
 
OneMatch
11/12/2024 08:39PM
  
tumblehome: "Surely it isnt related to the immigrant exedous that is about to happen?

Not a political statement.

Tom"
I think it is definitely related. Here is an article about the fear of migrants coming to Canada to escape deportation in the US:

Article
 
Findian
11/13/2024 04:30AM
  
Tumblehome, maybe I am wrong. I apologize. I never thought I would see the day that I could not cross into Canada because of all the illegal aliens we let into our country.

This really sucks. Many people have family on both sides of the of the border. A RABC permit can save a 200-mile drive. For some it is not just a change of vacation plans, it is about being with family.


 
OMGitsKa
11/14/2024 06:36AM
  
I think this is all my fault, I was just researching about RABC permits in hopes of my first Quetico trip next spring. That same afternoon I read this news.
 
LaVirginienne
11/14/2024 07:46AM
  
tumblehome: "Dude, not trolling.



It’s a very plausible explanation until we hear otherwise.
Tom"


It was the first thing that came to mind for me.
 
jaimed
11/14/2024 08:33AM
  
Also seems to reason, trippers that used to visit Q will now add to the crushing hordes in the BW. Great...
 
kgrove
11/14/2024 10:50AM
  
I wonder why…??
 
Jackfish
11/14/2024 04:44PM
  
Just because you can't get an RABC permit doesn't mean you can't enter from the north.
 
ockycamper
11/14/2024 06:23PM
  
thegildedgopher: "Minnesotian: "OneMatch: "tumblehome: "Surely it isnt related to the immigrant exodus that is about to happen?



Not a political statement.



Tom"
I think it is definitely related. Here is an article about the fear of migrants coming to Canada to escape deportation in the US:



article "
Yep, "pausing" the RABC is directly connected to Canada's anticipation of many more border crossings. Another article from the CBC: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/canada-quebec-mass-deportations-migrants-1.7376532 "



“Directly connected” — I think I missed that part of the article, or the part where they mention the RABC at all. I agree it’s likely that Canada is trying to limit the number of people crossing the border in remote areas so they don’t have to weed through who is legal and who isn’t. But I don’t see the point in making claims of certainty when this hasn’t been acknowledged by the Canadian government to this point."


"Canada prepares for a rise in border crossings with threat of mass deportations under Trump"


Its the headline of the article and the very point of it. The point of the article is that the two are directly connected. Its actually in bold.