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kanoes
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quote yellowcanoe: "quote chesapeakes: "I test paddled a Magic today. Had to lay the #3 pack on it's side in back 30L barrel in front dog between the legs. Not much room left. Felt a little cramped and unstable.
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Who was cramped? If your dog was nestling against you that was good!
Remember according to me anyway your dog rules.. If your dog was comfy and you felt unstable..keep paddling and try to get used to it. You will adapt with time. Dogs however tell you right away if they feel off or uncomfortable. And they don't ever change their mind.
But if your inner gut says "bad idea"..trust it. You have to paddle your own trip and not our opinion of what your trip should be."
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rookie in 03
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chesapeaks, only my wife thinks one canoe is enough. I have a CCS Explorer in front and a GG Superior 1 in back of me, but have to be carefull packing the Superior 1 so it fits nice.
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chesapeakes
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I test paddled a Magic today. Had to lay the #3 pack on it's side in back 30L barrel in front dog between the legs. Not much room left. Felt a little cramped and unstable.
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yellowcanoe
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quote chesapeakes: "I test paddled a Magic today. Had to lay the #3 pack on it's side in back 30L barrel in front dog between the legs. Not much room left. Felt a little cramped and unstable.
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Who was cramped? If your dog was nestling against you that was good!
Remember according to me anyway your dog rules.. If your dog was comfy and you felt unstable..keep paddling and try to get used to it. You will adapt with time. Dogs however tell you right away if they feel off or uncomfortable. And they don't ever change their mind.
But if your inner gut says "bad idea"..trust it. You have to paddle your own trip and not our opinion of what your trip should be.
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rookie in 03
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One thing to consider, When I first paddled my Magic it always felt "twitchy". After more experience I don't even notice it anymore.
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chesapeakes
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Looking at the Magic auction. Wanted to know if I can fit a #3 pack, 30L barrel, 140lb me, and 75lb dog in the Magic. I hope so. Oh, pack and barrel 60lb.
Thanks
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tonyyarusso
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Bell lists the "optimum loading" as 160-280 lbs, with a maximum capacity of what looks like 650 lbs, so 335 is a little over the optimum handling level, but should fit fine. You'll sink it by four inches compared to empty floating if I'm reading this right.
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chesapeakes
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quote kanoes: "how wide is a #3?"
Kanoes, 29 inches wide x 27 high according to Kondos.
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chesapeakes
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quote kanoes: "you certainly wont be able to lay that pack down so its below the guns. i would say a 20" wide pack is about max. "
What packs do you use for a 7 day?
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chesapeakes
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I think what I've learned from you all is I need more test paddling before I consider buying one. Thanks for the help.
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yellowcanoe
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Watch it. The Magic is swedeform. Swedeform hulls are trim sensitive. I have done as you are doing.
I won't do it again. The dog would not lie down in the bow but more important the bow was not light enough and steering was difficult. I had a 20 mile an hour crosswind and the boat wallowed badly in two foot waves. Normally I can swing the boat around if the boat is light enough in the bow and I can wind ferry.
For your own safety get a bigger boat. The pack is the least of your troubles.
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kanoes
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if you can live without the dog a magic is a fantastic tripping canoe.
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yellowcanoe
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quote chesapeakes: "YellowCanoe, what canoe do you recommend? I've used and liked the Encounter."
I dont know what is available to you! I dont know much about Wenonah Solos.
Best to test what is available to you with the load that you intend to trip with. On a nasty windy day if possible.
I have very good luck with my Curtis Nomad but how often do you see those?
Also let your dog decide whats comfortable. Mine loves the Swift Raven for tripping as it gives her the room she demands. Its a huge boat for me for portaging and would be last in a race with Wenonahs.
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chesapeakes
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Maybe I should just get two one with dog and Magic for no dog trip. Any problem with having multiple canoes?
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chesapeakes
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I have the Kondos Guide pack too. I couldn't get enough into it and the 30L barrel, so I had to go to the #3 pack. I just looked at the explorer. If I get the Magic looks like I'll be getting a new pack in the future. Thanks for the help Kanoes!
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kanoes
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how wide is a #3?
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kanoes
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ive used a ccs explorer and a kondos outfitters special for main packs before (explorer is my go to now). my second pack is a 3 pocket guide (kondos). the explorer and the 3 pocket will be what i take on my 14 dayer next week.
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kanoes
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you certainly wont be able to lay that pack down so its below the guns. i would say a 20" wide pack is about max.
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chesapeakes
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YellowCanoe, what canoe do you recommend? I've used and liked the Encounter.
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SunCatcher
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just chiming in... I have a RockStar.
and a 65 pound lab named Molly.
I have 55 lb Explorer Pack.
I have a 33 lb RuckSack with Bear Vaults in it
the girl named Molly sits in the front
I weigh 220 (don't tell anyone this)
It works great for me.
the two other packs, portage yoke etc goes in back of canoe
SunCatcher
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kanoes
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i will have my magic packed, on the water, for a hunter island solo. thursday. :)
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kanoes
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quote yellowcanoe: "Yup. RockStar is Ravenesque. A Magic is comparatively anorexic.
BTW I have seen exactly ONE RockStar. Are you keeping them all in the Midwest?"
rubenesque you mean?
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yellowcanoe
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Yup. RockStar is Ravenesque. A Magic is comparatively anorexic.
BTW I have seen exactly ONE RockStar. Are you keeping them all in the Midwest?
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Sierra1
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quote yellowcanoe: "Yup. RockStar is Ravenesque. A Magic is comparatively anorexic.
BTW I have seen exactly ONE RockStar. Are you keeping them all in the Midwest?"
I've got one.... But I live in the midwest too.
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