Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Group Forum: Solo Tripping :: Pack and Trim advice for a Prism
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boonie |
I'll bet you could put the dog and pack in front of you and be good, especially since 90% of the time the wind is in your face ;). I'll also bet Sawbill could give you good answer. |
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ducks |
Goat....... thanks. I think I'll start that way and tweak as needed. Makes sense since pup weighs twice as much as the pack will. |
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bwcasolo |
i had thought it was good and it looked and paddled like it was trimmed ok. the small bubble level helped a bunch. after a few days i was sailing along. |
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Bogwalker |
I agree with others that the Guide pack is too big and it will be hard to get up into the bow due to its width and size should you decide to put your other pack in it. I would look for a smaller pack for your main gear and a second even smaller pack for your food. When I solo I have a CCS Pioneer that fits nicely behind me in my Prism but could also fit easily in the bow although not pushed all the way to the front. If you are good at packing or do not bring too much a CCS Explorer would work as well. I know a lot of guys that use that pack when they solo. I also have a smaller pack, think of a pack the size of a students book pack for my food barrel and cooking stuff. This goes into the bow as far up as it will go. This pack for you could either go there or right behind you if it trims better that way. |
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OldGoat |
quote ducks: "Piggyback time............ Ducks, I did many a mile with a Siberian Husky hanging over the bow of my Prism, so my suggestion is to start with the dog in front and main pack behind you. My boat was factory stock though, and I understand that Sawbill has the seat moved further back, so you might have to play with loading to get the trim right. Goat |
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bwcasolo |
quote Bogwalker: "I own a Prism with factory set up. If the Sawbill version has the seat back more toward the stern I would think you would need to put all gear in the bow to make it trim properly, maybe a small pack behind you for gear you need while on the water. the sawbill setup is 21 inches back from center. load need's to be up front. |
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OldGoat |
You may want to play with it a bit to find what works with your load. Goat |
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OldGoat |
In response to BWCASOLO, no my boat was not the Sawbill setup, it was factory stock. I'm a small paddler (smaller back when I had that boat -- about 160 lbs.) In the process of trading boats the Prism was replaced by an Advantage, but the layout for trimming is still the same. Main pack in the bilge behind my seat and secondary pack forward. Goat |
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ducks |
What if you add an 85lb lab to the equation? He rides well in the canoe and only gets in/out on command. If I do my solo this year in the Sawbill area I may rent the Sawbill Prism. Last fall I did my first solo in a SR Q 16 because it was my first solo and I wanted something bigger than a true solo since I had the dog along. It went very well and I would like to try a dedicated solo this trip. So, do I have the dog in the big area right in front of the yoke and then the main pack behind me? or main pack all the way in the bow? griz81.... I look forward to hearing about your trip as the Lady Chain is on my list of routes. |
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griz81 |
Any tips would be appreciated. |
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quark2222 |
If I need to trim the canoe while paddling to prevent weathervaning, I just use my double bladed paddle to push the food (front) pack a little forwards towards the bow. This system works really well. Only push the front pack a little bit forward at a time, because you can't pull it back if you push it too far. My canoe is the Kevlar ultralight, and fully dressed with boots and life jacket, I'm around 180 lbs. Main gear pack (Granite Gear Superior 1) is about 60 lbs. The canoe trims nicely, even in high winds and waves high enough that I really should not have been on the water. You can pretty much tell how well it it is trimmed by the way it handles. You can also see the water line through the hull, so if the water line looks slanted when you are in calm water, you can adjust it before you hit the high seas! I really like the Prism with the Sawbill setup. Works really well with paddling on main lakes. Winding streams, it works OK with a yak paddle for me, but having the seat exactly in the middle and using a single blade would probably be better. The nice thing about the Sawbill setup is that you don't have to remove the yoke every time you portage. I would start out with a double blade paddle, and bring a single blade as your spare. You can then use either to see what works best for you. Tomster |
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OldGreyGoose |
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griz81 |
My other concern is maneuvering - the route I am planning is all small water, so maybe 2 packs would be best for adjust for maneuverability. I am planning on the Louse River/Lady Chain loop. |
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bwcasolo |
I moved both packs up front and it handled much better. I do have a small, 1" level that I keep in my ccs seat pad pocket that I can set on the floor between my feet and check trim. since that maiden trip I have moved the seat back to center, designed a removable yoke, and enjoy the prism better. you will do just fine putting your gear forward. |
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bwcasolo |
quote OldGoat: "Hmm, my experience seems to have been a bit different. My Prism trimmed out better with my primary pack (Granite Gear Quetico) behind my seat laying down and my secondary pack all the way forward. do you have the sawbill set-up? |
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ducks |
quote landoftheskytintedwater: "Anyone know what kind of seat Sawbill has in their Prisms? Is it the normal Wenonah seat or a wooden web seat?" it has a web seat..... not the tractor seat |
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ducks |
quote landoftheskytintedwater: "While I'm asking, anyone have a picture of one?" bumabu has some in his photo album........ bumabu photo album of trip when he rented one[gallery1]/11/ |
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landoftheskytintedwater |
quote ducks: "quote landoftheskytintedwater: "While I'm asking, anyone have a picture of one?" |
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landoftheskytintedwater |
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