Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Group Forum: Solo Tripping :: testing, testing...
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kanoes |
-magic w/painters 37 lbs 0 oz -ccs saddlebags 2 lbs 12 oz -2 zre paddles 1 lb 4 oz -yoke 3 lb 6 oz (that big weight really surprised me) -maps/case 1 lb 0 oz -ccs explorer pack 35 lbs 0 oz I expect the food to come in at around 12-14 lbs. (9-10 day trip) finally got down to one pack (will still double portage). im really looking forward to portaging the magic packless. |
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Banksiana |
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ducks |
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kanoes |
quote SourisMan: "Not even a fishing rod bdb'd in the Magic?" nope, ive accepted the fact that I would fish for about 10 minutes total. ill save the weight and the money this time by not. |
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cowdoc |
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pswith5 |
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SourisMan |
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housty9 |
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kanoes |
I know for sure kip will be fishing. |
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bfurlow |
Brandon |
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kanoes |
quote DeterminedOrange: "quote kanoes: "quote boonie: "...what about the map case? Do you strap the paddles in the canoe or hand carry? Do you wear the PFD while portaging the canoe?" thanks! no. I have a doubled up bungee cord close to the bow, stretched between the gunwales, blade goes between them, grip goes under a bungee on the front thwart, where the blades are now. easy access if needed. |
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Banksiana |
Demonstration of the wedge method. |
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kanoes |
quote Banksiana: "You can zip or wrap your pfd over the center thwart or roll it up and pull/wedge it in the bow thwart. I hate having to carry anything in my hands. taken under consideration. I suppose I could just clip it around the seat too. |
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Bogwalker |
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housty9 |
quote kanoes: "I've tie it to my seat in the past worked well, now I just wear it, it slips a little but not bad.quote Banksiana: "You can zip or wrap your pfd over the center thwart or roll it up and pull/wedge it in the bow thwart. I hate having to carry anything in my hands. |
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kanoes |
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Banksiana |
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boonie |
So about 90 total to start, which is basically the goal I set. I'll be happy if I can start with a 45-lb pack. I'm pretty sure that even if I keep my food volume pretty low, I'll still need an Ursack and a bear canister, or 2 Ursacks for 12 days. Actually 11 breakfasts and dinners and 12 lunch/snacks. What did your food weigh? Any guesstimate on your average daily calorie count? Did you put it in the Opsak inside the Ursack? I'll probably end up taking my tarp also and some extra clothes since I'm going almost a month later and you know how the weather can be then. Have a good trip! I'm sure you are getting eager for the day to arrive. |
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boonie |
Hope it all works out well for you on your trip. Are you guys covering a lot of miles? |
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boonie |
A couple questions - I assume the saddlebags stay attached, what about the map case? Do you strap the paddles in the canoe or hand carry? Do you wear the PFD while portaging the canoe? |
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kanoes |
quote boonie: "So, 2 pretty equal loads around 45 lbs. each - that sounds nice. It always surprised me the weight of the yoke, and all the other canoe stuff - painters, paddles, PFD. damn, forgot to include the PFD w/ditch kit. 2lbs 9 oz. |
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kanoes |
quote boonie: "...what about the map case? Do you strap the paddles in the canoe or hand carry? Do you wear the PFD while portaging the canoe?" the map case is clipped to the pack. I hand carry the pfd, its straps make the portage pads slippery on my shoulders. |
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butthead |
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kanoes |
quote butthead: "How do you organize your pack? Split out a 20L for front weight trim? tbd |
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boonie |
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kanoes |
quote luft: "quote kanoes: "quote luft: "quote kanoes: "update. got all of my food in one ursak." |
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kanoes |
removed the oatmeal. I don't mind heating water for morning coffee, I remembered that I don't like making/eating oatmeal in the morning so I added 5 more granola protein bars. also added 4 of these. |
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kanoes |
food volume surprised me and I ended up dividing stuff between a ursack and a Garcia. worked out well actually, put my main cooking pot, snow peak, one iso can, etc. in the Garcia. frying pan, rocket, and one iso can in the ursack. if the ursack gets munched on ill still be ok. 45 lbs. still seems like a lot but I don't want to cut anything else. |
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kanoes |
calories? no idea. yes to an opsak inside the ursack. opsak inside the Garcia too. |
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OldGoat |
Secondary pack (Frost River Bushcraft Jr) is 13 lbs which I will carry with my Wenonah Advantage (32 lbs.) Add in paddles, painters, etc. and I'm probably at around 90 lbs. total. Getting lighter would get expensive -- cheaper to try to loose the pot belly since I always have to carry that around.... Going in Sawbill 8/22 doing Lady Chain/Louse River. Goat |
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DeterminedOrange |
quote kanoes: "quote boonie: "...what about the map case? Do you strap the paddles in the canoe or hand carry? Do you wear the PFD while portaging the canoe?" Nice setup, do you keep the spare in that position when paddling? |
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OldGoat |
quote boonie: "Old Goat- Going out for 7 days. Doing it clockwise as a friend of mine is joining me on the first leg through the lady chain then he will exit at Kawishiwi and I'll run the rest of the loop solo. Probably be an extra day spent around Polly before he exits. Goat |
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OldGoat |
quote boonie: "Goat- I plan to go the Northern route out of Bug through Dent and Mesaba. This late in the year I'm not sure what the route from Bug to Poe would be like, so I'm following a little bigger water. Yes, the Zenith-Lujenida portage is one of the reasons I'm doing this trip. I'm at the age you have to start thinking in terms of "If this were my last trip, what would I want to remember." Right now I'm physically able to do that, but who knows what the next years will bring. Goat |
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boonie |
We left the Zenith portage for the end of the trip too and ate the heaviest food first ;). We tackled it first thing in the morning after camping on Zenith. You'll have a pretty good climb at the beginning and a couple of ups and downs between. There was a flooded portion near the Lujenida end that we were able to bushwhack around, but was a little awkward. Watch your footing at the Lujenida put in or you may become a "muck monster". A good portage to leap frog. Besides the pictures in my trip report, there are more in my 2014 album at this site if you think they'd be helpful. I'm just a few years behind you and am thinking the same way. Hope you have a great trip! |
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boonie |
How many days are you going to be out? That should be a nice route. I've considered both the Louse River and the Lady Chain. We went up through Little Sag last fall on our trip from Kawishiwi to Sawbill, but sometime I'd like to do the rivers. I hope you do a trip report when you get back. Do you plan to go clockwise or counter? Enjoy your trip! |
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boonie |
quote kanoes: "update. got all of my food in one ursak." So, no bear canister? That cut some weight and volume didn't it . . .? I wonder if I'll be able to get my 11-12 days in one Ursak? |
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boonie |
Do you plan to stay on the Louse River to Wine and that way to Zenith? We stayed on Zenith last year before tackling the Zenith-Lujenida portage - you'll enjoy that one ;). The Kelso River is a nice paddle and be sure to check out the Kelso dolmen. There is some information and pictures in my trip report from last year. |
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luft |
quote kanoes: "update. got all of my food in one ursak." What is your secret to success? I can't seem to get more than 5 days worth in mine. You must be be bringing more space efficient items? What all have you packed and how is it packaged. I would love to get all my food into one ursack for my longer solos. |
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kanoes |
quote luft: "quote kanoes: "update. got all of my food in one ursak." ill try to post a pic this weekend. |
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luft |
quote kanoes: "quote luft: "quote kanoes: "update. got all of my food in one ursak." Muchas gracias! |
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butthead |
Bottom right/up Ziplock bagged, coffee, rye hardtack, chocolate, dried fruits, nuts. Next row up, instant potatoes hashbrowns gravy mix, dried chopped mushrooms, dried mixed veggies, diced sundried tomatoes and paste, macaroni noodles. Next, powdered cheese, powdered sour cream, Bisquick, soups, potato pancake mix, next 2 packs sausage, 2 packs beef, chopped bacon, bacon slices, PBB brew mixes. More than enough for me for 10 days. 10 pounds 9 ounces total weight of bag and pantry contents. As I use up food cook gear goes into bag. butthead |
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luft |
I think my major downfall is packing too many snacks. I can never decide what I will crave so I end up bringing choices. I need to commit and just bring what I need. I always end up with extra food on the way out. |
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kanoes |
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boonie |
quote luft: "Thanks Kanoes and Butthead. I am going to play around with this info and am very hopeful that I can get my food into 1 bag. Mine looks pretty similar to kanoes' - simple, minimal packaging, mostly the same boring thing, especially breakfast, lunch, and snacks. Snacks are nuts, which are very calorie dense (170 calories per ounce) and pack down pretty small. Three to four ounces per day is 500-700 calories, essentially another meal, and they are very satisfying due to the high fat content. I do take the lightly salted deluxe mixed nuts, though, for variety ;). Lunch is ProBars, but I do take 3 or 4 different flavors (they all taste almost alike) for some variety there. Breakfast is mostly cold cereal (usually muesli). The dinners are dehydrated meals that are in minimal packaging like the freezer bags kanoes has used to repackage the Mountain House meals. Years ago I took some of the MH meals, but found out that they don't pack well. The original packaging is too heavy/bulky or the vacuum-packed bricks leave too much space unutilized. The trick is to have stuff in light, flexible packaging with most of the air squeezed out like you see in their pictures. I love this food, this food is good, I have no food cravings. I repeat this mantra as necessary until I exit the BW. Good luck! I don't know if I can get 11-12 days in one Ursack though. |
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butthead |
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luft |
quote kanoes: " :-)" Thanks for the visual aid! |
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luft |
quote boonie: "quote luft: "Thanks Kanoes and Butthead. I am going to play around with this info and am very hopeful that I can get my food into 1 bag. LOL!!! I am going to start practicing this mantra now:-) I agree with the MH packaging issue. We had a quick trip last weekend and with 3 days of 4 MH dinners per day it was going to take a blue barrel to carry just the dinners! I promptly repackaged and was able to get them into the Ursack with dinner beverages and plenty of room to spare for my red wine. |
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HighnDry |
quote butthead: "Just a bit different from Jan's, I like to take ingredients and mix and match as desired. Impressive. Thanks for the photos. I don't think I've ever been able to reduce my kit to less than a full 5 gal bucket. Breakfasts and especially lunches tend to take up most of the room. Dehydrating fruits and vegetables have helped. I'm particulary impressed by the combinations of carbs, proteins and either dehyd.veggies or fruits to make up some of both of your meal kits. Good ideas to reduce space/weight. Thanks. |