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05/27/2018 05:59AM |
I kept them in the back of my mind. We use small flutter type spoons on Lake Erie during the summer with good results and I used large flutter spoons with Dypsy Divers on Basswood with decent success howbeit with limited usage. Towing a full size dypsy will kick your tail while in a canoe (whew!).
I put together a decent order on the Suttons and got quite a variety.......pretty much 2 of most every style of the flutter type spoons they offer. The smaller ones I will try on Erie, the bigger ones will go to WCPP.
Kerry put a Trokar Siwash salmon style hook on his so I did the same. I like the idea of hooking up with something which can offer a bit more "bite" than a winky little treble. Problem was that after I put the Trokar on I noticed the action had changed. A bit less wobble..........which is actually not a horrible thing since I will be able to run that particular spoon a bit faster.......but still, they have quite a side to side swing and I don't want to ruin that.
So I have some differing hooks coming which may be a bit thinner wire and perhaps not as heavy as the Trokars which are rather beefy.
I am wondering if I should add some threading? Maybe a few strands of glo?
And I should safely assume that a round bend cross lock ball bearing swivel will allow the spoons to do their thing?
You don't know what you don't know.............not even sure what questions to ask. But I will be giving them an extensive try this summer as they will be a main focus for walleye and Lake trout this summer in canoe country. I will be getting them down via snap weights and Tadpollys (diving planer) and gaining accuracy via a depth finder and Line Counter reel.
Any comments, suggestions?
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05/27/2018 06:35AM |
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05/29/2018 11:18AM |
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05/29/2018 12:11PM |
I'm afraid I can't be of much help discussing long lining though.
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05/29/2018 12:15PM |
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05/29/2018 12:48PM |
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05/29/2018 01:32PM |
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05/29/2018 01:41PM |
bobbernumber3: "My other "go-to" laker spoon is the Laker Taker made by Bay de Noc Lure Company Gladstone, MI (my current town!). You don't often see them for sale, but they work great. They are long and narrow, light metal like a Sutton Spoon, and an exaggerated bend in the hook end for action."
Gladstone.........pretty sure I go through Gladstone on my way back. We should probably get a burger if your around. Laker Taker? Do they have a "hump" of sorts in the rear of the spoon? I think might have one or two.
I have always liked fishing spoons and believe they are underutilized in lots of situations particularly in the north. I was sort of impressed with the Suttons and how they sashay ("sashay" > is that even a word? > who talks like that ;-) That wide dart comes at a price however and I noticed that I am going to have to be very cognizant about how fast I paddle. They look to be a fairly slow running type lure before they start spinning.
The Gamakatsu hooks came in yesterday and I am very pleased at how the spoons perform with the slightly smaller size hook and thinner wire. I also sort of like the red color.
It might be very interesting to see how the smallmouths (should I end up in the Quetico) eat them. Several years ago I was catching smallies on Basswood in a 50ft basin on a crank bait that might of been running 25ft tops. I could see the fish scattered on the bottom. I should of dropped a jigging spoon on them (idiot!) but I had places to go. That situation would of been custom made for a Sutton and a snap weight.
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05/29/2018 02:37PM |
1. The fatter/wider the lure per length = the slower the optimal speed trolled.
I like 6’s and hate 8’s ;)
2. 44’s have a legion of dedicated followers and is most people’s top pick but they need to be run faster around +- 2 mph.
Springing/Bending the lure a touch adds action but be careful or don’t do it if in doubt .
3. Look at the lure run along side the canoe -take note of that speed which looks best. I like slow.
4. Keep the lure just off the bottom
5 fish structure -long easy runs tend to not produce.
Williams Warbler Lites are a close second but Sutton’s are legendary and have always produced for me.
Good luck!
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05/29/2018 05:41PM |
Snap weights are great, but I prefer a jet diver if it will run the depth I want. The jet diver is more forgiving on snags and acts sort of like a flasher in front of the spoon.
I was mostly trolling 15-20' down over 20-120'. No need to be near the bottom!
Does the Sutton Facebook page have a size chart for all their models?
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05/29/2018 03:38PM |
mastertangler: "
Gladstone.........pretty sure I go through Gladstone on my way back. We should probably get a burger if your around.
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Check your route... Gladstone is not on the way to anywhere. But suppose it depends on where you are headed.
Otherwise, YES. I would be great to get together for a burger!! Leaving for Quetico Friday and heading back to Ely for 2 weeks after that so June is out.
Where are you in FL? I spend all of March and April in Tampa.
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05/29/2018 05:49PM |
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05/29/2018 09:08PM |
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05/30/2018 07:25AM |
bobbernumber3: "mastertangler: "
Gladstone.........pretty sure I go through Gladstone on my way back. We should probably get a burger if your around.
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Check your route... Gladstone is not on the way to anywhere. But suppose it depends on where you are headed.
Otherwise, YES. I would be great to get together for a burger!! Leaving for Quetico Friday and heading back to Ely for 2 weeks after that so June is out.
Where are you in FL? I spend all of March and April in Tampa."
Gladstone is on US 2 correct? Not far from Escanaba (eh)? Yes I drive I-75 from Detroit and take US 2 across the U.P. Whole lots better than driving through Chicago. I am 3 hours south of you down by Ft Myers and then inland on the Big 'O'. I will get your number and in late August if your around we can do the whole meet and greet gig.
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05/30/2018 07:35AM |
MackinawTrout: "I would rather not divulge the Sutton Spoon secrets but if you’re asking, I have to oblige.
1. The fatter/wider the lure per length = the slower the optimal speed trolled.
I like 6’s and hate 8’s ;)
2. 44’s have a legion of dedicated followers and is most people’s top pick but they need to be run faster around +- 2 mph.
Springing/Bending the lure a touch adds action but be careful or don’t do it if in doubt .
3. Look at the lure run along side the canoe -take note of that speed which looks best. I like slow.
4. Keep the lure just off the bottom
5 fish structure -long easy runs tend to not produce.
Williams Warbler Lites are a close second but Sutton’s are legendary and have always produced for me.
Good luck!"
Thanks for weighing in Mackinaw Trout (hey wouldn't that make you a "MT" as well?)
Rpike I appreciate the encouragement. Do you run wire? I am considering tying up some 24" Knot2Kinky wire leaders for use with them. Yup, the very long wire leaders I just got done dissing in another thread. The difference is I wouldn't be casting them. I can see pike taking these erratic spoons away from a guy in a steady stream. We will see.........I will have the wire if the losses start to mount.
I am eager to try these for walleye and yes, fishing close to the bottom will be my preferred method. I find precision trolling near bottom much more interesting and engaging style of fishing as well as successful than just out for a paddle which can get dull rather quickly IMO.
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05/30/2018 08:07AM |
mastertangler: "MackinawTrout: "I would rather not divulge the Sutton Spoon secrets but if you’re asking, I have to oblige.
1. The fatter/wider the lure per length = the slower the optimal speed trolled.
I like 6’s and hate 8’s ;)
2. 44’s have a legion of dedicated followers and is most people’s top pick but they need to be run faster around +- 2 mph.
Springing/Bending the lure a touch adds action but be careful or don’t do it if in doubt .
3. Look at the lure run along side the canoe -take note of that speed which looks best. I like slow.
4. Keep the lure just off the bottom
5 fish structure -long easy runs tend to not produce.
Williams Warbler Lites are a close second but Sutton’s are legendary and have always produced for me.
Good luck!"
Thanks for weighing in Mackinaw Trout (hey wouldn't that make you a "MT" as well?)
Rpike I appreciate the encouragement. Do you run wire? I am considering tying up some 24" Knot2Kinky wire leaders for use with them. Yup, the very long wire leaders I just got done dissing in another thread. The difference is I wouldn't be casting them. I can see pike taking these erratic spoons away from a guy in a steady stream. We will see.........I will have the wire if the losses start to mount.
I am eager to try these for walleye and yes, fishing close to the bottom will be my preferred method. I find precision trolling near bottom much more interesting and engaging style of fishing as well as successful than just out for a paddle which can get dull rather quickly IMO. "
I don't use wire with Sutton spoons, but I would if pike were frequent. I'm pretty sure a pike got one of mine on Darky. I used knot2kinky wire for the first time this spring. Good stuff!
Different strokes for different folks. I like the puzzle of finding suspended fish. When I can find them, the cisco-eating trout, muskies, pike, or walleyes tend to be bigger. Certainly they are less pressured.
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05/30/2018 09:34AM |
rpike:
Does the Sutton Facebook page have a size chart for all their models?"
Yes
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05/30/2018 10:29AM |
rpike: "mastertangler: "MackinawTrout: "I would rather not divulge the Sutton Spoon secrets but if you’re asking, I have to oblige.
1. The fatter/wider the lure per length = the slower the optimal speed trolled.
I like 6’s and hate 8’s ;)
2. 44’s have a legion of dedicated followers and is most people’s top pick but they need to be run faster around +- 2 mph.
Springing/Bending the lure a touch adds action but be careful or don’t do it if in doubt .
3. Look at the lure run along side the canoe -take note of that speed which looks best. I like slow.
4. Keep the lure just off the bottom
5 fish structure -long easy runs tend to not produce.
Williams Warbler Lites are a close second but Sutton’s are legendary and have always produced for me.
Good luck!"
Thanks for weighing in Mackinaw Trout (hey wouldn't that make you a "MT" as well?)
Rpike I appreciate the encouragement. Do you run wire? I am considering tying up some 24" Knot2Kinky wire leaders for use with them. Yup, the very long wire leaders I just got done dissing in another thread. The difference is I wouldn't be casting them. I can see pike taking these erratic spoons away from a guy in a steady stream. We will see.........I will have the wire if the losses start to mount.
I am eager to try these for walleye and yes, fishing close to the bottom will be my preferred method. I find precision trolling near bottom much more interesting and engaging style of fishing as well as successful than just out for a paddle which can get dull rather quickly IMO. "
I don't use wire with Sutton spoons, but I would if pike were frequent. I'm pretty sure a pike got one of mine on Darky. I used knot2kinky wire for the first time this spring. Good stuff!
Different strokes for different folks. I like the puzzle of finding suspended fish. When I can find them, the cisco-eating trout, muskies, pike, or walleyes tend to be bigger. Certainly they are less pressured. "
Actually we probably think alike...........I like to look for suspended fish as well and also believe they tend to be of the larger size generally speaking. But get this, I was trolling a Ben Parker flutter spoon which is probably at least 8" long and was also trolling shadzillas offshore over 75ft of water and catching 13" suspended walleye who were barely bigger than the lure in Musclow at WCPP a few summers ago. Weird right? I have also popped several winky pike out in the middle of nowhere in 65ft of water while lake trout trolling. So go figure.
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05/30/2018 05:09PM |
Forrest75: "rpike:
Does the Sutton Facebook page have a size chart for all their models?"
Yes
Thanks!
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05/30/2018 02:51PM |
mastertangler: "Gladstone is on US 2 correct? Not far from Escanaba (eh)? Yes I drive I-75 from Detroit and take US 2 across the U.P. Whole lots better than driving through Chicago. I am 3 hours south of you down by Ft Myers and then inland on the Big 'O'. I will get your number and in late August if your around we can do the whole meet and greet gig. "
Late August might work as long as it's not a weekend! E-mail me when it gets closer.
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05/31/2018 06:38AM |
bobbernumber3: "mastertangler: "Gladstone is on US 2 correct? Not far from Escanaba (eh)? Yes I drive I-75 from Detroit and take US 2 across the U.P. Whole lots better than driving through Chicago. I am 3 hours south of you down by Ft Myers and then inland on the Big 'O'. I will get your number and in late August if your around we can do the whole meet and greet gig. "
Late August might work as long as it's not a weekend! E-mail me when it gets closer.
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That would be an affirmative. Seems like all I do is eat the entire way home anyways I will probably be hungry when I hit Gladstone ;-)