Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Fishing Forum :: Slip bobber weight: above or below swivel?
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BWfishingfanatic12 |
The split shot is on a fixed spot on your line. As you cast the leech, bobber, split shot, knot going through the guides, bead, wind, etc can all make little impacts on the cast and things possibly tangling. With a split shot as you cast there just tended to be more tangles for me. I agree with you that it should cast similarly as the bobber rests on the weight in both scenarios but whatever reason seems different to me. I do not know what exact weights the split shots people use are but they are definitely nowhere close to and 1/8 of an ounce. I think people often use two (maybe I am wrong on this, I used to sometimes) which further increases the chance for tangling. With the sliding egg weight it just seems much smoother when casting and the weight transfer seems to provide longer and more accurate casting for me. It is more of the "power" slip bobbering concept that people have termed it where it is quicker and more efficient. When I am catching walleye in the evening on a great spot I like to be as quick as possible with catching, casting, and getting back down there as quick as possible. I also didn't like that when you use a split shot you are crimping it down onto the line which allegedly weakens it. There have probably been threads on that in the past. Not sure if it really reduces the line strength of not but like that I do not need to worry about that variable anymore. |
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timatkn |
bobbernumber3: "timatkn: " ...and if you didn’t use the above set up you caught 1/4 the fish everyone else. In normal use…and I bet at times it probably doesn’t matter that much. It was super windy and the egg sinker didn’t tangle as much. You had to cast away from the boat. If you cast and the leech/hook get tangled in the split shot you often will never know it, it untangles as you reel in but it is wasted time fishing. Sometimes you reeled in after 5 minutes only to see the tangle. Also on this lake the slower the bait moved the better, for some reason the concentrated weight of the egg sinker caused the bobber/leech to move more slowly the longer the bait sat in front of the fish the more likley they were to bite. If you didn’t have the swivel on your leech would spin on the hook…it will spin one way then the next and over time it will even out but the time it was spinning they would not bite. If you ever ice fish this can be an issue too…that’s why some people use a fly rod reel or a swivel. Allegedly the sliding egg sinker helped with line control and lessen spinning—-that’s what I was told. THe egg sinker gets the bait down tot he fish faster. The more time in front of the fish the more bites, the more fish… Otherwise it was as simple as leech one foot off the bottom…but the rig above just plain out produced our normal set up. I’ll admit I just don’t bobber fish much. I don’t really like it, so it was new to me. It also made me a sponge for what others were doing and no pre conceived ideas. T |
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timatkn |
BWfishingfanatic12: "sure thing: Yep…you know how I learned this? I got schooled this spring fishing on Black Duck Lake :) The only method that seemed to work was bobber fishing leeches and if you didn’t use the above set up you caught 1/4 the fish everyone else. I got tired of the group next to us catching 3-4x more walleyes than us :( So I grabbed some beers and went to their cabin, made friends and they taught me all their tricks :) I did A LOT better but not due to any skill of my own :) Normally details like this probably don’t matter…but when they do it’s dramatic. T |
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bobbernumber3 |
timatkn: " ...and if you didn’t use the above set up you caught 1/4 the fish everyone else. What makes this 3x to 4x more effective, in your opinion? |
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bobbernumber3 |
I one thing I see that might be critical is 12 -18" between the sinker and hook. This would allow the hook and leech to drift more slowly into the desired depth for walleye. And in windy/wavey conditions the longer leader may keep the bait from appearing jerky. My sinker is often only 6 or 8 inches from the hook. I don't understand the cause of rotating bait and don't think I've had that happen. But I'm going to give this all a try next trip! |
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cyclones30 |
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thistlekicker |
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Savage Voyageur |
8# mono line Bobber stop Bead Bobber Split shot one foot above hook Hook Leech One foot above bottom of lake Fish on |
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bobbernumber3 |
Savage Voyageur: "No swivel, no egg sinker. Exactly. Swivel? Egg sinker? What the Dickens? |
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timatkn |
If you just fish casually catching a few fish, the swivel is not needed. It won’t make a difference. If you are catching and casting a lot then a swivel will make a huge difference and reduce stress on your line especially with monofilament maybe not so much with super lines. The swivel will also keep you bait from constantly twisting/twirling if you are casting a lot. Your line develops memory and while your line is under the bobber the leech on the hook will constantly spin…eventually will even out, but typically fish won’t bite a spinning leech. Most people put the split shot above the swivel because eventually they will slide. The swivel stops that. If the split shot doesn’t slide then it doesn’t matter to you. T |
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bobbernumber3 |
timatkn: "The sliding egg sinker is for power bobbering/corking. You get less tangling and the weight is more concentrated to get the bait down faster. Sometimes the split shots get tangled/twisted in the bobber, the egg shape tangles less as it slides on the line with the bobber and is a round/concentrated weight. List the sequence of tackle when including a swivel and egg sinker please. |
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lundojam |
Things that sometimes matter, sometimes not: flouro leader. One time ice fishing side by side flouro v mono, same diameter: 19 to 1 light line. Sometimes (often) you get more bites on 2# than 4# than 6# etc. what kind of sinker. I've broken some 4# where the split shot clamps on size of sinker. Sometimes if it falls too fast, especially in clear water, they won't like it. Sometimes if it falls too slow, especially in wind and deep water or weeds, you don't spend enough time in front of the fish an oft-overlooked factor: distance between sinker and bait hook size hook color hook v jig leech size main line mono v flouro v braid. I know, but yep. how far off bottom letting it sit v giving it a little jig now and then. Sometimes this one is all or nothing So, make a plan, fish the plan. Start shallow. Make a plan B. Make a plan C. Be ready to scrap all the plans and call an audible. The fish will give you input; listen. |
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bobbernumber3 |
lundojam: "Sometimes it all matters, sometimes none of it does. It's weird. Lively leech. The walleyes were biting like crazy. Needed a new leech and hooked one on. It didn't wiggle and squirm as usual. Three casts, no bites. Put a new lively leech on and went back to catching fish. |
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cyclones30 |
Savage Voyageur: "No swivel, no egg sinker. This is usually my approach. If I know casting distance is at a premium for some reason, I'll swap out the plain hook for an appropriate sized jig head and no split shot. Same amount of weight, but when casting the bobber is right with the bait so it flies through the air easier. |
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BWfishingfanatic12 |
I also use 8# mono line as my main line Bobber stop Bead Bobber 1/8oz or less egg sinker bead barrel swivel 12-18 " flurocarbon (6-8lb) octopus Hook Leech (1-2 feet off bottom) |
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cyclones30 |
I get a swivel having an impact on line twist. But not casting |
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schweady |
Savage Voyageur: "8# mono line Well explained. How many times have I tied on the hook and then realized I missed a step? Don't answer that... |