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toddhunter
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quote Thos: "what they said RE palomar, clinch-any comments on the Trilene knot?" I use the Trilene for mono and fluoro. It only requires 3-4 twists, and the line is doubled around the eye, which seems stronger. For braid, it's Palomar.
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joetrain
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I like the palomar knot for braided line and the improved clinch knot for mono. ~JOE~
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shinythings
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I'm with Joe on this one.
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Savage Voyageur
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quote joetrain: "I like the palomar knot for braided line and the improved clinch knot for mono. ~JOE~"
Yes, this is also what I use.
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shock
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dont know alot of knots but i still use the fisherman knots for mono, never a problem, and for braid the uni knot, simple and strong.
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AndySG
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~JOE~ is wise.
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Thos
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what they said RE palomar, clinch-any comments on the Trilene knot?
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Mnpat
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uni to uni or fg for my line to line knot. Palomar or uni for knot to lure. I never tie braid directly to lure or swivel. The knot strength is terrible. Line to line knots are actually a much stronger connection. in my test i cant even get 50 lb braid with a knot to a swivel to pick up 25lbs without breaking. An fg knot with 50 lb mono and palomar to swivel I can pick up 45 lbs everytime no problem.
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mastertangler
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Pat
What is an fg knot? What are you using the 50lb mono for?
the uni knot for mono typically tests out rather low and there are better choices IMO. However the 1/2 uni is considered standard for tying braid to terminal tackle such as hooks, lures etc.
If you are having trouble getting 50 lb to stick I strongly advise doubling the line and using 3 wraps. With lighter braid you may have to do more wraps but remember since the line is doubled so are the wraps. The thinner in diameter the connection point is the less likely the uni will stick. Fingerless fishing gloves are nice to have when working with braid.
I usually go straight mono in the shield but am seriously considering a trip which focuses on deep jigging next summer and will likely fish braid to do it.
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Mnpat
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fg is a braid to mono or flourocarbon knot. There are no wraps with the mono so the knot is very narrow. It allows me to tie on my leaders for muskie and pike. I can wind the leader up in to the guides without problems. Instead of a premade leader with a swivel on one end and a snap on the other. With the fg the strength is nearly twice what a braid knot to a snap would be. For night fishing i can feel the knot come into the first guide ad then start the figure 8 with no rod tip damage.
I also use an fg for tying on longer topshots of flouro for clear water. I tie on 50 feet of flouro for lake trout ice fishing on superior for the clear water. I can wind the knot right into a baitcaster or spinning reel spool no problem.
I learned the fg for saltwater popper/jigging fishing but it has many uses in the freshwater also. The fg is the strongest single line connection tested. The modified fg is the strongest double line knot tested.
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mastertangler
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MnPat
Dude you rock! I have been tying the Slim Beauty for a few years now and like it OK but this knot not only seems easier but even more streamlined AND stronger. Very slick....... Much better connection than Uni to Uni which can be suspect and difficult to tie especially in the wind IMO.
Here it is.........thanks Pat for posting........I am always open to being educated.
FG knot
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mgraber
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Palomar,Palomar, Palomar, and sometimes improved clinch(fisherman's knot).I use what tests best and ties easiest.The Palomar is fool proof as long as the lines are kept parallel throughout the knot when using it for mono. MANY people allow it to twist which will cause the line to cut itself. I have done EXTENSIVE testing with MANY knots including every one mentioned and I will stick to the Palomar, thank you!
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mastertangler
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wrong, wrong, wrong.......Palomar isn't everything its cracked up to be and if you would do some research you would find that out (with all due respect of course).
The Palomar may test out at 100% with a steady pull but when subjected to a surge load it may lose as much as 40% of its strength. The same with a Spyder hitch.
Get a big fish on and lose it right at the boat through a failed knot via Palomar. Happens all the time and the reason few salt water anglers use Palomar knots. But I suppose you can compensate through longer more forgiving rods and drag set lighter........just be aware that the Palomar doesn't like sudden surges and is prone to failure when subjected to such.
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pilot
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What's your favorite?
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TH
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I haven't used the improved clinch since I tested my best one at a fishing show on a break machine. I proudly gave my knot to the guy, and it broke a few lbs. before the line's rating. They were showing people how to tie the Trilene knot. I've used it ever since. But the Trilene knot really shines on light line where you can't afford to give up some strength. I use it fly fishing on 7x to 5x tippets, and I use it on 4 and 6 lb mono. Great knot. Use 5.5 or 6 turns.
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mastertangler
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there is no favorite knot.........its whats the best application for the circumstance. There is no one knot which does all things well.
If what your tying to is even or smaller in diameter than your line then an improved clinch works fine and dandy.
If what your tying to is larger in diameter than your line you will do no better than tying a gryp knot with the tie fast tool. The tie fast also excels with Fluorocarbon.
The palomar is a fine knot but when subjected to a sudden impact it is prone to fail.
if you want 100% you can do no wrong than with a double improved clinch in which you double your running line and tie a 3 turn improved clinch. A bulky presentation to be sure but one of the best knots tested.
The perfection loop knot is the best loop knot IMO and excels with Fluorocarbon. But bear in mind that you sacrifice some strength with any loop knot.
whatever knot you tie they should be subjected to a ruthless testing process. I will often wear fingerless fishing gloves just for this purpose especially if dealing with braid.
Just my 2 cents FWIW
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Jaymon
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Clinch for everything but dropshotting. I can tie a clinch in four pound test in my sleep with a stiff wind. Well, maybe that is a bit of hyperbole. It's my go to knot, though. I only learned the palomar for dropshotting. It's the best for that, I think.
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mapsguy1955
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Uni for everything under 30 lb test, mono or braid. Used to use improved clinch but it will pull out with a big fish.
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MeatGun
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What those guys said (Palomar and improved clinch). I learned the Rapala knot for, well rapalas and I do like it for the original floating. Once learned, it isn't that hard.
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