Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Gear Forum :: Recent Dragonfly woes!
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SlowElk |
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butthead |
Carb cleaner can work but as I mentioned dissemble past and separate plastic, composite parts, and seals like o-rings. Any cleaner will make the stove run oddly at first. Sputtering, spitting some fuel, and some strange flame colors, till it all flushes with fresh fuel and burns off. Wanna get the soot off from priming with gas kero or diesel? I keep some orange cleaner shop wipes on hand, GOJO Fast Wipes butthead |
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SlowElk |
Good idea. I guess that rinsing with tap water can introduce calcium then. The two burner is a propane stove. Maybe was not the best idea overall lol. So I assume you are carrying an additional small container of alcohol to prime (pre-heat) the dragonfly? |
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butthead |
Silent caps have been around since the invention of plate burners on pressurized stoves. Gary Adams (BerniDawg) crafted specifically for some popular modern stoves. The video shows a Primus Omnifuel but the operation is the same. Hikin' Jim also has some informative videos. i.materialize ShapeWays Are BerniDawg's online sales services. Do some research on Gary and his cap development. It's interesting and revealing. Basically he helped guide another home crafter to make a cap, who immediately started production and selling via Ebay taking all credit. Gary's response was to get these sources running and keeps his profit minimal to compete with the "usurper" (my quote and opinion). Prior to this he sold hand built caps for materials and time only. You need to pre-heat the stove burner, prime it. Problem is only with a silent cap that can have a flame under the cap. If you light it with flame still burning under the cap it goes into a condition called underburn. The jet of fuel is ignited and burns inside the cap not at the outer jets. This can melt down the cap and stove, NOT GOOD! Follow Gary's instruction for lighting and you have no trouble. Youtube video I posted. Disclaimer, this is not a DragonTamer but an full sized OmniDawg cap I fitted to my stove. It has a 6th row of burner holes. I have other caps to fart around with also. I do not always use a cap, especially when I'm solo and prefer to simplify use. Caps do require more careful maintenance. Dragonfly and Nova without caps. butthead |
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TechnoScout |
butthead: "Wanna get the soot off from priming with gas kero or diesel? I keep some orange cleaner shop wipes on hand, GOJO Fast Wipes I have wanted to clean my whisperlite on the surfaces to remove burned-on soot. Probably a little over 10 yrs worth. Nothing I have tried works, so I am intrigued by your GOJO suggestion. Will it really clean down to bare metal? |
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butthead |
Far as the small bottle of alcohol, in this Firefly rebuild photo, it's center upper gray Mio bottle, or KoolAid liquid bottles I use. They hold 1.5 oz. of methanol stove fuel and will prime about 5 times depending on the temperature. If it's too cold (below 40F), I'll just prime with Coleman fuel. It's no big deal if I do not prime with alky, just cleaner especially using kero. These little bottles will also give me 2 16 oz. water boils from my alky home built burners. butthead |
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SlowElk |
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butthead |
SlowElk: "Butthead (imho) has some of the best posts ever." Thanks! butthead |
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TominMpls |
SlowElk: "Butthead (imho) has some of the best posts ever." Right on, this is really useful info. |
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thebotanyguy |
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butthead |
A Whisperlite 600 that lived on kero after cleaning. Original Whisperlite with the old rubber and fabric fuel line after cleaning and replacing the fuel line. My bunch of MSR stoves. A Dragonfly, XGK2, and Whisperlite run Kerosene. Can you find them? Most of these date back to the 1980/90's. I use orange wipes predominately for cleaning. butthead |
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TechnoScout |
butthead: " My bunch of MSR stoves. A Dragonfly, XGK2, and Whisperlite run Kerosene. Can you find them? Most of these date back to the 1980/90's. I use orange wipes predominately for cleaning. Nice collection. OK, I will get some orange wipes. |
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nctry |
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oldirtybassturd |
SlowElk: "Butthead (imho) has some of the best posts ever." I agree...Butthead always has great posts on many different topics. Thanks Butthead. |
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nctry |
thebotanyguy: "I had the same problem with a Coleman stove years ago, and I was advised to use a small of amount of carburetor cleaner (Gumout) in the fuel tank. Now that modern cars have gone to fuel injectors, I'm not certain if you can even find carburetor cleaner any more. Oh yeah, I have carb cleaner. Haha. I plan on taking Toms advice and doing the complete cleaning and yours along with it to help with cleaning tough to clean stuff. I’ll get back when I’m done. Gotta go to work now though. |
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Shimbo |
butthead: "... Another is not letting the prime burn out when using a silent cap. Could you elaborate on this? I just purchased a DragonFly and a DragonTamer but I've never used this type of stove, and I've definitely never used any sort of silent cap. |
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SlowElk |
Didn’t mean to single you out butthead. Lot of good posts Just in this one thread. Also, you helped remind me was having problems with a 2 burner Century stove. Called the manufacturer and they advised to remove the regulator and boil in a vinegar mixture for 2 minutes, and then rinse with tap water which cleared up my problem. Should probably pull the dragonfly out of storage and take a look at it. |
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nctry |
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drnatus |
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butthead |
Phone connection now on roadtrip. Will post more tomorrow. |
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TominMpls |
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overthehill |
SlowElk: "Butthead (imho) has some of the best posts ever." Agree. Been here for 12 years and consider Butthead the Stove Master. Thanks for this post to Ben too; Gonna go give my stoves a check this offseason (for me) and maybe do a little PM> Thanks , oth |
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butthead |
Priming the burner with alcohol does no damage, and is much cleaner. Another is not letting the prime burn out when using a silent cap. Always let the prime go out and light at the burner with a flame as you turn on the fuel. Igniting a primed silent cap while still containing flame may cause under burn a flame off the jet inside of the cap causing the cap to overheat. If you have a rebulid kit it may be time to install fresh o-rings and filters. An easy job that only takes a few minutes. After any cleaning flush with fresh fuel from the fuel tank thru the pump and fuel lines to/thru the jet, pass a few ounces to check for good flow. butthead |