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butthead	11/15/2019 01:32PM   It arrived yesterday. It's big, a good size on top of a pick-nick table. I could see it at a canoe in base-camping, but not for traveling. Cut and fit of parts are what I expected. It's in very early production, yet fit and most of the finish are good. Quality of the parts seem good. Only fault is a small fabric split between stitching on the front hem. Carry case supplied and padded around the edges. Assembled easily. I show it with a 425 Coleman 2 burner and a Dragonfly. It is not difficult to keep the fuel tanks outside of the covered cooking area. This will see use by me at a bunch of vehicle based camps. I will post a use review as I use it, but I anticipate good service and utility. butthead
Bearpath9	11/15/2019 05:47PM   That is nice and big. You have the same kind of stove I do, I kinda figured it would fit in there from watching the demo, but I didn't realize it was that big.
srust58	12/03/2019 12:41AM   butthead: " WindTamer stove tent. Ebay ad for WindTamer Aimed more at vehicle based, but I could see it's use at a base-style camp. butthead" Actually I did read the first post you just conveniently left off the last half of the first sentence in your reply. I would assume base camping means having to "drag" things into the woods thus my comment about how unnecessary it seems. If you are sleeping under fabric in a treeless grassy field at a public event maybe it would have some utility.
butthead	11/07/2019 12:37PM   mschi772: "When you wash it, do not wash it in loads with fabric softeners. When I was on prescribed fire crews, it was frustrating how many people ruined their gear by making this mistake as it can interfere with the fabric's fire resistance." Wash medium to low heat small load and only a clothes detergent, no softeners or scents, very familiar with Nomex race driving suits and at some stages it's not allowed to wash. That normally professional stuff, no local armature of hobby racing. My friends would go broke replacing diving suits. Anyhow this piece of gear interests me so expect a owners usage review sometime in the future. Will say the owner/designer Mitch Schliebs seemed very interested in opinions and comments. butthead
mschi772	11/07/2019 08:26PM   Blew my mind for a bit there, BH. My name is Mitch Schieble. Your mention of Mitch Schliebs broke my brain.
butthead	11/07/2019 09:01PM   mschi772: "Blew my mind for a bit there, BH. My name is Mitch Schieble. Your mention of Mitch Schliebs broke my brain." Broken brains are common in SE WI. Mine just warped a bit now but who knows! butthead
LindenTree	11/08/2019 10:02AM   Pretty cool, I like it. Would work great for car camping, there are places like New Mexico in March and April that are known for having regular strong gusty winds, this would work nice in areas like that.
plainspaddler	11/17/2019 08:07AM   That is a cool piece of kit! Thanks for sharing. Lots of applications for that...especially on the windy prairie of ND! Mike
Bearpath9	11/17/2019 08:47AM   I was wondering about how it would work in the wind. I didn't notice any type of anchoring system. How would it work on a windy day, or a day with strong gusts ? Maybe a couple of small c-clamps if you had it on a table is the best I can think of at the moment.
butthead	11/17/2019 09:15AM   A strap with buckle is riveted to the metal base. It is plenty long to wrap around a small table or picnic table to secure the oven shelter. The Nomex fabric "tent" is secured to the base with the frame and snaps along the base. parts labled butthead
butthead	12/05/2019 11:03AM   srust58: "Yeah, I have been on the water in my 62 years. We tend to keep excess gear to a minimum in our travels. To each his own I guess." So you assume what in my case? Look a bit further you may learn some things. Ken M
butthead	12/03/2019 10:31AM   srust58, I have no idea about the amount of BWCA style canoe camping you have done, but I know and have seen canoe camps with substantial amounts of non-pack portable equipment. 6 or more person tents, tables, chairs, Coleman 2 burner suitcase stoves, up to stuff like beer kegs and propane Weber Grills. I will not judge them as long as they are within legal restrictions. I do know some folks in this forum who may have some interest in this gear, and may consider a purchase. Or at least interested in it's concept. Ken M.
butthead	12/01/2019 09:38AM   srust58: "To me it looks like the answer to the question, "What piece of unnecessary gear can you to drag into the woods." " If you bothered to read the first posting you would have caught "Aimed more at vehicle based," in the beginning. I am not restricted to backpacking and/or canoe trip camping, spending even more time at this style of campground, 20 nites there this past summer. Not a lot of shelter from wind and rain blowing thru. I do know others on this site who also do vehicle based camps often. butthead
srust58	11/30/2019 11:47PM   To me it looks like the answer to the question, "What piece of unnecessary gear can you to drag into the woods." In 40 years of camping experiences that require outdoor cooking ranging from car camping, RV camping, backpacking, and BWCA/Quetico canoe trips I can't think of a time when something like that would have been worth the cost of purchase or the effort to drag it into the woods. Well....maybe one time....I remember camping at 8000 feet up in the western face of the Absaroka Range in Montana and we had the cooking area set up under a large Whitebark Pine. The resident red squirrel kept dropping pine cones on us and he managed to land one right into the pancake mix I was preparing. So overall I think I would have to give it a thumbs down.....it's not for me.
Grandma L	11/17/2019 01:58PM   Ken, just love the great pictures -
butthead	11/17/2019 03:46PM   Grandma L: "Ken, just love the great pictures - " You may get to try it out next summer. butthead
BearBurrito	11/08/2019 02:54PM   Looks really neat, thanks for posting.
srust58	12/05/2019 01:50AM   No "babe in the woods" that's for sure. 20 BWCA/Quetico plus backpacking, cross country motorcycle camping trips, sailing Lake Superior west to east and north to south. Sailed all the other Great Lakes end to end except Ontario and the east coast New York to Florida. Mississippi River Minneapolis to St Louis by small boat.....Yeah, I have been on the water in my 62 years. We tend to keep excess gear to a minimum in our travels. To each his own I guess.
butthead	11/06/2019 11:19AM   WindTamer stove tent. Ebay ad for WindTamer Aimed more at vehicle based, but I could see it's use at a base-style camp. ,I caught first mention of this at Classic Camp Stoves. I think this makes a lot of sense. Fire-resistant Nomex material, large enough for a 3-burner stove or two backpack burners, even places for utensils. This would really shine with Dutch Oven cooking! If I have any concern, it would be with using the fuel tank inside the covered area. This could be addressed by using remote fuel tank stoves or just keeping the fuel tank outside of the covered area. butthead
Grandma L	11/06/2019 12:33PM   Too much for me - weight, putz and space in the canoe. Car camping - maybe
pamonster	11/06/2019 04:54PM   Could be cool for boondocking with the camper.....but then I guess if it was too windy I'd just cook in the camper..... Neat idea though, as long as you can take it apart and throw the cover in the washing machine
Bearpath9	11/06/2019 05:36PM   I couldn't get a real good look at the fuel hose, but I bet you could one longer than that to keep the fuel outside the cover. Not a bad idea, though.
butthead	11/06/2019 01:48PM   Grandma L: "Too much for me - weight, putz and space in the canoe. Car camping - maybe" Aww Lori, you'd just have the kids carry it. As I mentioned initially primarily for vehicle based camps. Still I do a lot of vehicle camps the year round. butthead
mschi772	11/06/2019 05:10PM   This reminds me of the mod that the Voyageur Stove guys just put out. https://www.voyageursoutdoorgear.com/collections/stove-accessories/products/voyageurs-oven
butthead	11/07/2019 09:05AM   Bearpath9: "I couldn't get a real good look at the fuel hose, but I bet you could one longer than that to keep the fuel outside the cover. Not a bad idea, though. " What I thought also even the position of a gas fueled Coleman. Just hang the tank outside the flap in front. Have been carrying on a conversation about this with the inventor/designer. The fabric is Nomex and can be washed at home. I figure I'll pop for one as it will get much use including camping at road racing events that I attend often. I do not use an RV of any kind so cooking is always out in the elements. Should simplify some of my cold weather/winter camps. butthead
mschi772	11/07/2019 09:39AM   When you wash it, do not wash it in loads with fabric softeners. When I was on prescribed fire crews, it was frustrating how many people ruined their gear by making this mistake as it can interfere with the fabric's fire resistance.
Grandma L	11/18/2019 07:53PM   butthead: "Grandma L: "Ken, just love the great pictures - " You may get to try it out next summer. butthead" I hope so - you and the guys should plan to come up to my cabin for a few days. I would love to have a BWCA.com gathering. I will chat with Ben and see what he thinks too.
srust58	12/07/2019 02:53PM   Not making any assumptions. Just giving you an idea of my level of experience that colors my decision making. While we are not so hard core that we sleep on bare rocks and eat out of our hands we do weight the need of each piece of gear we take and make a decision. You would never see us dragging in cooler, tables, chairs, big stoves, etc on our canoe trips but if others do what do I care....I don't have to carry it. I still see a lot of it as completely unnecessary. I can have my own opinion even if others don't like it. Just like I feel about your stove enclosure. IMO for a BWCA type trip it's ridiculous. For other uses you stated it may be fine.
butthead	12/07/2019 05:45PM   Just for a base idea my entire load in the canoe totals 65 pounds including PFD paddles fly fishing gear 2 packs and enough comfort items to satiate my 68 year old bones. I do long distance solo trip, have since 2000 first trip to Quetico was in 1982, been solo backpacking since 1975. I do not think it a ridiculous piece of gear and know many here who carry in much more and will not criticize their choices. Ken M.