Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Gear Forum :: Camp stove
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butthead |
Pete that is not Blues Traveler and I cannot remember, as it is on my Pandora Moxy Fruvius station. butthead |
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ashlandjack |
pswith5: "To butthead, is that blues traveler in background? To original poster Ash? Are you maybe looking to replace your 533. I think I have one that has had almost no use" I would be interested what do you need. |
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blackdawg9 |
i have a MSR whisperlight besides melting a pump occasionally. if you have a slightly larger pot . it's probaly a good start. my goto for small pots in a svea 123 [original slant valve] i don't trust in line needle cleaners like your coleman. if you got a svea R model. you need to learn how set the needle and or remove it. i like wet gas stoves personally. if you want a iso stove stay away from $6 amazon sales. they leak to much gas and sometimes won't attach to your bottle and pass gas. with out really messing with them . just stay with a name brand . MSR/snowpeak. |
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ashlandjack |
butthead: "I will add that I have and used both Coleman 533 (a classic) and a Dragonfly. Heavy advantage to the Dragonfly for high output yet lower steady simmering, add the fact it is lighter and more stable with frypans and has an external fuel tank. It is loud though due to the burner design. Are they really that loud? I have heard they are annoying. |
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chessie |
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/camping/products/trangia-cooksets They are made in Sweden. |
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ashlandjack |
Thanks Jack |
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butthead |
singlebladecanoe: "American made is going to be most of the MSR stoves." MSR has begun marking Made In USA, Assembled In The USA, or no mention of origin. Generally all liquid fueled are made in USA, Canister top stoves like the PocketRocket are not. MSR cook systems like the Windburner are assembled in the USA from imported parts. MSR has partnered with Kovea (S. Korea), for a lot of canister stove parts and full built stoves. butthead |
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butthead |
ashlandjack: "You guys have really shared some great knowledge from experience and logical opinion. I'd like to emphasize the used market as a source perfectly fine useable stuff available and stoves no longer marketed, Peak 1 Apex MSR Dragonfly I have around 25 single burner stoves most MSR and all but 5 were purchased used, including my most used stoves, Dragonfly and Simmerlight. butthead |
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butthead |
ashlandjack: "butthead: I use the silent cap version when camping in state parks to keep the sound down. Traveling in remote areas I use the standard Dragonfly, for ease of repair. Never had a failure with either but the cap can be stubourn to get off if needing access to the jet. I have several louder stoves than the Dragonfly. Optimus Nova, MSR Firefly, any of my MSR XGK's and did have a Brunton Vapor AF all these utilize a "roarer burner", a cup with the jet at the bottom that sprays fuel up to a plate where the flame forms. You mention the Coleman 533 so I assumed a desire for flame adjustment not found on MSR Whisperlight, Simmerlight, XGK. butthead PS; Uploading some stove videos to Youtube will add a link when done. bh |
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butthead |
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unshavenman |
butthead: " Video of a Dragonfly in use. Man, I love that sound! |
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AirPrex |
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cyclones30 |
butthead: " Video of a Dragonfly in use. Love the roar. Is that fuel in the beginning in an old Mio squirt bottle? |
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butthead |
The idea of matching a burner size with pot/pan size is a good idea, I like more shallow pots with a minimum 5 inch diameter over small diameter tall pots. The windscreen is for a lot more than keeping the fuel pump cool. It increases the stove efficiency saving fuel, I always use a windscreen in the field If you are melting the pump you are placing the fuel tank and pump too close, the fuel line may be stiff because it's braided metal cover and a steel cable inside, but it can be twisted and bent to get the tank/pump away from the stove. blackdawg9, if your looking at Optimus Nova's (their only liquid fuel stove) look for an old used version with CAEN fuel fittings they went to a different make years ago that is troublesome in comparison. The Primus line has kept their quality high consistently, the Omnilites are a bit heavier than a Dragonfly, but more compact, and have a good flame adjustment range. butthead |
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Jackfish |
butthead: "Pete that is not Blues Traveler and I cannot remember, as it is on my Pandora Moxy Fruvius station. " I did a check of the song with the Soundhound app on my phone... the song playing is "Hook" by Blues Traveler. |
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lyontyl |
I will say though in my limited experience that the MSR Whisperlite has really done a great job. It's compact and I found it to be quieter than my friends Dragonfly. I will note that you can buy a aftermarket cap for the Dragonfly that makes it quieter. There are a lot out there but I don't think you could go wrong with the MSR products. |
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ashlandjack |
Thanks Jack |
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butthead |
Matchman: "Butthead, et al, what's your liquid fuel of choice? I've got an Optimus Nova. White gas seems like the obvious choice for cleaner burning, good heat output, etc. Is there a difference between the "off brand" white gas I found at my local hardware store and the MSR Super Fuel other than price? " I mostly stay with Coleman Camp Fuel, but find Crown the same. Prices have gone up but still a much less expense than canister isobutane. The premium brands seem a more filtered and costly alternatives. They just have not been needed in my experience. Kerosene is a good international fuel but I have no problem finding Coleman or Crown fuels, lesser expensive fuels can be found but not worth my while as I have never burned more than 2 gallons a year. For the amounts used I'll stay with well established fuel brands and possibly save on maintenance and problems. butthead |
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Garny |
I also always bring a canister style stove for boiling water (Morning coffee, etc) while we make the main meal on the Dragonfly. |
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butthead |
Considering liquid fueled stoves similar to the Dragonfly, Primus Omnifuel, Otimus Nova, and their variants. I have and use 2 Dragonfly's one original and another with an OmniDawg silent cap for sound reduction. Canister Isobutane fueled stoves are many and varied but work quite well with some limitations on ambient temperatures (they do not work well below freezing temps), and fuel cost. butthead |
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Jackfish |
The Whisperlite weighs about a pound, packs into my MSR Blacklite cook pot and has the external fuel tank like the MSR Dragonfly, but it's a lot quieter. There's give and take with both, but I don't see a reason to switch to a different stove at this point. |
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butthead |
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ashlandjack |
butthead: "Alcohol. It helps keep the soot from priming to a minimum. The "Mio" bottle holds between 1.5 and 2 ounces and will prime my Dragonfly's and XGK's over ten times. Whisperlight's and Simmerlight's need a bit more prime to easily ignite. The prime hog I have is a Firefly with a long heat shunt from the valve to the jet. The FireFly was the predicesor of the Dragonfly, a bit cold hearted to prime but the hottest stock stove I have used, also loudest! Thanks Man That really helps |
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pswith5 |
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butthead |
Could be worse I try to not have Stephen Lynch station playing in the background. butthead |
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kjw |
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mschi772 |
Not every MSR stove is made in the US, but many/most are. At least some Jetboil stoves are made in the US, I believe. ---- Primus is Estonia. Snow peak is South Korea. Soto is Japan. Etekcity (cheap popular pocket-rocket-like stove often from Amazon) is China. Numerous clones sold under a variety of equally stupid brand names all over Amazon and other sites. --- I personally use a Kovea Spider. I am pretty sure it is made in South Korea as Kovea is a South Korean company. It is as good or better than any other similar remote canister stove (including MSR) and for a lower price on top of equal/superior construction and performance. I'm more than happy to support US-made products when all other things are roughly equal, but the reality is that we live in a global market, and when someone elsewhere can produce a significantly better product with at a significantly lower price without significant ethical concerns, I'm going to support them as I believe supporting inferior products simply due to being made in the US risks disincentivizing American companies from actually trying to innovate and produce better products. |
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singlebladecanoe |
I've got a couple of older MSR whisperlights that have done well for me. I picked up a SOTO windmaster, made in japan, to try out canister stoves. I'm still on the fense myself between canister vs liquid gas stoves. Knowing what kind of fuel source you want to use will help you narrow down which stoves as well. |