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12/09/2020 07:48AM |
schweady: "
Anyone know of areas where this is enforced? And, how prevalent is this? I know that some lakes I have fished don't allow electronics, including use of gps; is this what they're talking about?
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I'm thinking they are referencing some sovereign foreign governments, not local jurisdictions within the US.
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12/09/2020 11:16AM |
THEGrandRapids: "schweady: "
Anyone know of areas where this is enforced? And, how prevalent is this? I know that some lakes I have fished don't allow electronics, including use of gps; is this what they're talking about?
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I'm thinking they are referencing some sovereign foreign governments, not local jurisdictions within the US. "
Oh, sorta like my Flightradar24 app which shows no aircraft over N Korea...
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12/17/2020 09:26PM |
geotramper: "Here's what the pricing looks like with the new increase, assuming you stay within the limits of each plan:"
I wonder if they've seen this chart? *grin*
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12/04/2020 08:22PM |
tonyyarusso: "GROSS. This is such a BS fee in the first place - paying for literally no services. What a great scam."
What are you basing this statement on? Why is it a great scam? They offer a service, people use the service, people pay for the service. I think you don’t understand what this unit does. It’s primarily a satellite communication device, also with a SOS button to call for a rescue.
It’s similar to a cell phone. A cell phone would be useless to me unless I get a service plan. My cell phone needs to have an expensive plan added to it to text when I travel to other countries. InReach has 40 free a month.
I went to places camping this year where there is no cell service. A InReach let’s me communicate with family members with text messages and emails. I usually max out the 40 a month. The people at home can also track me to see where I am.
Then there is weather forecasts I can get. That is so helpful on travel days in the BWCA.
The Annual plan had an increase in cost last July. It went from $17.95 to $24.95. The coverage for the Garmin InReach unit is from another company called GEOS. This company has not had a rate increase for 16 years!
As to your literally no service statement, they have supported rescues in 140 countries saving many lives. Since Garmin has used GEOS they have had over 5000 SOS rescue activations. Sounds like someone is getting (service) to me.
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12/04/2020 04:29PM |
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12/04/2020 03:23PM |
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12/04/2020 07:45PM |
alpinebrule: "If accurate not great news, but a couple of questions and comments.
What is the source of your information of the increase if not on the web site?
Second, without knowing the cost associated with the provision of the Freedom Plan a statement that the annual fee is a "scam" is merely an unsupported opinion.
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I received the same email today. On my weekend “to do” list is to find my scheduled renewal date, read the new program’s fine print and do a little cost-benefit analysis. I don’t use it for navigation and my contacts are all on my connected iphone so not sure enough benefit for a $35 annual sub on top of the fees for 10-15 days of active use 2-3 months per year. Might be better to set up a new account each year...
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12/04/2020 10:38PM |
scottiebaldwin: "Guys! Just rent a Garmin from Piragis or any outfitter when you are on a trip. It’s way cheaper and you’re covered in the event of an emergency or an evac should you need one. As for those of you who need to text home and are insistent to keep in touch while in the BWCA, no offense, but you might have some soul searching to do to find out why you’re up there in the first place. Jeez."
Many of us use the Inreach for more than just BWCA trips. And what's wrong with sending a text home to let loved ones know that you're OK? I've searched my soul and found that keeping my wife updated means she's more comfortable with my adventuring and I'm able to enjoy myself more knowing that she's not worried about me.
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12/04/2020 06:14PM |
What is the source of your information of the increase if not on the web site?
Second, without knowing the cost associated with the provision of the Freedom Plan a statement that the annual fee is a "scam" is merely an unsupported opinion. I do not know for a fact but I suspect that there are costs associated with the offering of this option. Several costs/reasons I could posit are; general increase in business overhead, access to sufficient satellite spectrum to cover anticipate usage regardless of actual subscriptions, higher than anticipated support costs from users taking advantage of what I think is a good option for occasional users, a business decision, again for a variety of reasons, to dissuade users from the option.
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12/04/2020 07:33PM |
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12/04/2020 08:14PM |
Here is the link to the current prices for the different plans.
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12/04/2020 08:20PM |
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12/05/2020 12:03AM |
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12/04/2020 09:54PM |
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12/04/2020 11:20PM |
Savage Voyageur: "What are you basing this statement on? Why is it a great scam?"
This fee is charged for when your device is *disabled*. It covers time when you are NOT able to send any communications and not able to get a rescue. You pay separately for those services, and THAT part is fine.
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12/05/2020 12:20AM |
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12/05/2020 08:59AM |
When was the last price increase? Does this preclude the use of this communicator for you?
Did not notice much complaining when camping fees, reservation costs, went up.
The sat com plans and also devices are not required, and have only existed for the last 20 years or less. The cost of reservations and fees keeps going up, that is a essential cost increase but few complained.
Delorme/Garmin and other "big evil companies" developed the technology, marketed the hardware and provide a service that was driven by customer (that would be you the users) demand.
butthead
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12/05/2020 09:49AM |
WIMike: "scottiebaldwin: "Guys! Just rent a Garmin from Piragis or any outfitter when you are on a trip. It’s way cheaper and you’re covered in the event of an emergency or an evac should you need one. As for those of you who need to text home and are insistent to keep in touch while in the BWCA, no offense, but you might have some soul searching to do to find out why you’re up there in the first place. Jeez."
Many of us use the Inreach for more than just BWCA trips. And what's wrong with sending a text home to let loved ones know that you're OK? I've searched my soul and found
that keeping my wife updated means she's more comfortable with my adventuring and I'm able to enjoy myself more knowing that she's not worried about me. "
All good reasons, WIMike. That makes total sense. It seems logical if someone uses the service for more than the BWCA that it may make sense to get a subscription, etc. I would only use it on trips into the Boundary Waters so my perspective is skewed. It’s nice that some outfitters offer a daily rental though as it’s inconceivable to imagine what a solo tripper would do if they got badly hurt. A rental of a unit from an outfitter seems to have served that guy well last month who got caught in the ice storm and was rescued from Nina Moose within hours of his death. Hey, if someone uses it enough and can afford it, it seems like a subscription sounds like the way to go.
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12/05/2020 09:56AM |
butthead: "I do not use a satellite communication plan, but have to ask.
When was the last price increase? butthead"
As I posted above, GEOS has not had a price increase since 2004. I got this information in the email they sent me about a price increase.
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12/05/2020 10:36AM |
scottiebaldwin: "As for those of you who need to text home and are insistent to keep in touch while in the BWCA, no offense, but you might have some soul searching to do to find out why you’re up there in the first place. Jeez."
Ah yes, gatekeeping how I enjoy my vacation.
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12/05/2020 02:45PM |
geotramper: "
Here's what the pricing looks like with the new increase, assuming you stay within the limits of each plan."
Nice, simple graph. I’m just here to put some numbers to the lines:
Annual Plans (dashed, zero slope)
Safety -- $11.95/mo x 12 mo + $19.95 activation fee = $163.35
Recreation -- $24.95/mo x 12 mo + $19.95 activation fee = $319.35
Expedition -- $49.95/mo x 12 mo + $19.95 activation fee = $619.35
Freedom Plans (solid, positive slope)
Safety -- $14.95/mo + $34.95 annual fee = $49.90 for 1 active month
up to $214.35 for 12 active months
Recreation -- $34.95/mo + $34.95 annual fee = $69.90 for 1 active month
up to $454.35 for 12 active months
Expedition -- $64.95/mo + $34.95 annual fee = $99.90 for 1 active month
up to $814.35 for 12 active months
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12/05/2020 03:39PM |
Very nice graph and cost breakdown. I copied this for future reference.
I purchased an InReach in 2018 for a trip to Alaska. I signed up for the Freedom Expedition plan and only needed to have the plan/device activated for one month to cover the trip. The unlimited texts were great for the 4,000 mile road-trip to Alaska as cell phone coverage gets quite sketchy outside of the cities in Canada. The weather reports and unlimited texts were both extremely valuable for our canoe trip down a remote interior river. We were able to successfully communicate with our float plane pilot and modify our pick-up location. When weather caused a delay in our pilot leaving Anchorage, he was able to communicate with us about the timing. All of this for under $100 is an amazing deal!
I've used the InReach three times since for trips to the BWCA. It has been handy for the weather reports. It was also useful this year and we had friends meeting use in the park after we had already been camping for a week. They were delayed so communication was helpful.
In my opinion, the communication benefits and safety benefits of taking this device are a steal even for guys like me that use the devise only once or twice a year. I just turn the subscription on for a month, then turn it off when the trip is over.
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12/05/2020 04:30PM |
Mind you my boat has a kicker motor so if main goes down I Can limp back in. We snowmobile with 2 or more sleds. If one sled breaks down it’s a hassle not an emergency. Goal is to never ever ever need to push that button!!!! Knowing I can when needed means a lot to me. Especially with the ability to message. Also the ability to get weather forecasts will help me out immensely on canoe trips where big water crossings and concerns of winds will help planning moves needed a day or two in advance.
That being said hopefully they keep the pricing reasonable!
Ryan
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12/06/2020 02:03PM |
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12/06/2020 07:29AM |
geotramper: "Here's what the pricing looks like with the new increase, assuming you stay within the limits of each plan:
Thank you for building the graph, very helpful.
I assume the bottom axis is in months, correct?
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12/06/2020 11:38AM |
TipsyPaddler: "geotramper: "Here's what the pricing looks like with the new increase, assuming you stay within the limits of each plan:
Thank you for building the graph, very helpful.
I assume the bottom axis is in months, correct?"
Yes, months.
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12/06/2020 04:15PM |
tonyyarusso: "GROSS. This is such a BS fee in the first place - paying for literally no services. What a great scam."
Yeah I thought the more people that use a service the cheaper it would become.
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12/08/2020 12:29PM |
scottiebaldwin: "Guys! Just rent a Garmin from Piragis or any outfitter when you are on a trip. It’s way cheaper and you’re covered in the event of an emergency or an evac should you need one. As for those of you who need to text home and are insistent to keep in touch while in the BWCA, no offense, but you might have some soul searching to do to find out why you’re up there in the first place. Jeez."
That has to be the most Idiotic statement ever. Just because we want to go up there and disconnect, does NOT mean that we do not want contact in case of emergency at home or to reassure family that we are OK. You definitely need to do some soul searching as your statement is both ignorant and offensive. We have been doing wilderness trips in various areas for many years and I am so thankful we have these devices. A few years back my son and daughters 16 year old 1/2 brother drowned, and with no way to contact us my kids had no parent for comfort and the funeral had to be postponed for 2 weeks until we exited. This was extremely hard on everyone and we could have been out in 2 days if we had known. Not good. An acquaintance had his father pass away unexpectedly 10 days in to a 30 day trip. He missed his fathers funeral. He could have been out in 3 days. If I am out for a month on a solo, is it really that unreasonable that I would want to reassure my wife that I am ok every so often? If you only go out for 5-7 days, like many, than it might not be a big deal, but than you really wouldn't know much about really disconnecting, as that is not enough time to truly disconnect. So if one of your kids dies do you want your wife to have to deal with that for weeks or even a month? Stupid, Stupid, Idiotic comment...shame on you!
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12/10/2020 07:49AM |
Go look back at my original post and notice how innocuous it actually is. It seems apparent that no one saw my comment a day later in response to WIMike that said, “All good reasons, WIMike. That makes total sense. It seems logical if someone uses the service for more than the BWCA that it may make sense to get a subscription, etc.
I would only use it on trips into the Boundary Waters so my perspective is skewed. It’s nice that some outfitters offer a daily rental though as it’s inconceivable to imagine what a solo tripper would do if they got badly hurt. A rental of a unit from an outfitter seems to have served that guy well last month who got caught in the ice storm and was rescued from Nina Moose within hours of his death. Hey, if someone uses it enough and can afford it, it seems like a subscription is the way to go.
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12/10/2020 06:13PM |
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12/08/2020 02:47PM |
mgraber: "scottiebaldwin: "Guys! Just rent a Garmin from Piragis or any outfitter when you are on a trip. It’s way cheaper and you’re covered in the event of an emergency or an evac should you need one. As for those of you who need to text home and are insistent to keep in touch while in the BWCA, no offense, but you might have some soul searching to do to find out why you’re up there in the first place. Jeez."
That has to be the most Idiotic statement ever. Just because we want to go up there and disconnect, does NOT mean that we do not want contact in case of emergency at home or to reassure family that we are OK. You definitely need to do some soul searching as your statement is both ignorant and offensive. We have been doing wilderness trips in various areas for many years and I am so thankful we have these devices. A few years back my son and daughters 16 year old 1/2 brother drowned, and with no way to contact us my kids had no parent for comfort and the funeral had to be postponed for 2 weeks until we exited. This was extremely hard on everyone and we could have been out in 2 days if we had known. Not good. An acquaintance had his father pass away unexpectedly 10 days in to a 30 day trip. He missed his fathers funeral. He could have been out in 3 days. If I am out for a month on a solo, is it really that unreasonable that I would want to reassure my wife that I am ok every so often? If you only go out for 5-7 days, like many, than it might not be a big deal, but than you really wouldn't know much about really disconnecting, as that is not enough time to truly disconnect. So if one of your kids dies do you want your wife to have to deal with that for weeks or even a month? Stupid, Stupid, Idiotic comment...shame on you!"
Let's give him a break- it's not like he was referencing that you shouldn't be in contact, he likely was commenting on the fact some people need to be in touch just to be in touch, not for emergency situations and likely didn't think of the long duration solo trips. I feel like people just like to get super annoyed and rant. Do I agree with his comment, absolutely not, I think there are many benefits of staying in touch- from dire emergencies to checking in. But to blow it up out of perspective to try and make a point isn't really called for either. I agree with all of your points.
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12/08/2020 06:13PM |
Takeaways From a Terrible Fall and Lifesaving Rescue
Also, at the end of the article was this statement:
"Some jurisdictions regulate or prohibit the use of satellite communications devices. It is the responsibility of the user to know and follow all applicable laws in the jurisdictions where the device is intended to be used."
Anyone know of areas where this is enforced? And, how prevalent is this? I know that some lakes I have fished don't allow electronics, including use of gps; is this what they're talking about?