Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Gear Forum :: Poncho when paddling in rain?
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Savage Voyageur |
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amhacker22 |
I have a lightweight poncho I use that is a couple of steps above a garbage bag, but it’s still better/more comfortable than any rain gear I’ve used. |
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bhouse46 |
Temperature dictates rain gear. With warm temps, quick dry pants and top work fine. I wet foot anyway and often get wet above my knees at portages. Running tights and top under the pants and shell can handle cool and chilly with a good rain jacket when needed. Really cold and waders and dry jacket have kept me toasty and dry when temps hovered around 35 - 40 on a late April trip. |
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HowardSprague |
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Jaywalker |
It doesn’t seem many think much of your poncho idea - waxed canvas or otherwise. I have had some jackets DWR wear off and others that just finally gave in and wetted out due to excessive rain. I had a 20 days trip this September with a lot of rain, and I didn’t think my aging and mediocre rain jacket was up to it. When I got home there was a Thread about rain jackets that caught my attention. One member made a compelling recommendation for Helly Hansen’s Impertech, which is a non-breathable material but seems to be a fair amount lighter than standard rubbery-coated jackets. They are not all that expensive (about $85), so I got one thinking it might work well in colder weather when I am likely to sweat a bit less and extended rain is possible. I went up one from my normal size in hopes that it would ventilate better with my movements. I did see a couple reviews that suggested there may be flaking issues starting somewhere around 5 years, but at that price point I’m fine with that. It seems to have been bone dry since I got mine, but I look forward to evaluating it in the spring. I will not give up on breathable membranes for some trips. It’s another option for you to consider. |
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ockycamper |
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Frenchy19 |
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OCDave |
Blackdogyak: "I have had a couple of expensive rain jackets that have completely failed. (Wetted out) and application of NikWax DWR dies not work. I am not wasting my money on this high tech junk any more. I like your buy gear that I can use for many, many years. "Expensive" doesn't always equate to quality. Stick with rain jacket +/- rain pants and spend you energy finding something of higher quality. I have a EMS GoreTex jacket that I have worn for 25 years. It needs a renew to the DWR finish but, it still performs spectacularly keeping me warm and dry in the worst of weather. If you insist on going the Poncho route, why Waxed cotton? You wouldn't need "breathable" as the Poncho design will let in plenty of air (and a fair amount of water) to keep your core from over-heating. Poke a hole through a tarp and give it a go. Good Luck |
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EddyTurn |
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Captn Tony |
The water drips down your sleeve. When buying a coat and pants make sure it says water proof. Water resistant is a code word for it leaks. After buying it put the stuff on and go stand in the shower to make sure it doesn’t leak. I’ve had good luck with north face and eddy bower rain clothes. |
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billconner |
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Blackdogyak |
So I'm considering a waxed canvas poncho. Does anyone have experience with how a poncho works while paddling in rain? Because your arms are out and up, do they just get completely wet? I like the idea that a poncho can extend down to cover my knees. Thanks in advance for any advice or opinions. |
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keth0601 |
I'm with you on the expensive "waterproof breathable" stuff. Whole lot of marketing. Most expensive and least useful layers I have. Tried arterix, mountain hardware, marmot and others and I'm pretty well convinced at this point they're made to be sold not used. |
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Blackdogyak |
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theshrewdloon |
That being said, a cagoule is a nice middle ground between a poncho and a rain jacket. (I have a brand new Sierra one I can sell you, if interested), but I wouldn't wear it in the shoulder seasons. The concerns about dumping with a poncho on are overstated, unless you are on moving water, in which case you shouldn't wear one. I've been wearing a cheap(ish) North Face rain jacket for the last few years in all seasons and have had no issues, and I naturally attract bad weather. I apply a silicone spray to mine to bolster it, but, yeah, if there's a deluge I'm going to be looking to get under a tarp pretty quickly. To answer your questions more directly: Yes, water will drip right down your arms if you're paddling in a poncho. To be honest, though, that will happen with many rain jackets that don't have cinch straps on the wrists. |
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keth0601 |
Captn Tony: "I hate ponchos. They blow around in the wind and snag stuff when portaging. Problem is even with the expensive 3 layer "waterproof" stuff they're dependent on the DWR treatment to remain breathable. Do some bushwhacking in heavy brush and there goes you DWR and the water starts to wet out the outer layer and there goes your breathability and you overheat and wet out on the inside from sweat and end up soaked anyways. That's been my experience. They work fine if you baby them and aren't very active, but that isn't me. :) I gravitate more towards the heavier PVC stuff nowadays if I can afford the weight. Cheaper, more durable, and easier to dry. There's a reason commercial fisherman like it so much. |
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andym |
For me, I need something that breathes and have had good luck with expensive rain gear. I think the eVent stuff is very good. But I sweat a lot if I wear something that doesn’t breathe. So I really need it. |
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Jackfish |
A rain suit - both jacket AND pants - can be the most important gear you bring. Besides the obvious benefit of staying dry in a rain storm, it can be worn in the canoe, in camp and on the trail. When one is in the canoe, a jacket alone won't keep your legs dry, and with the bottom half of your body soaking wet, you're going to be cold or even run the risk of getting hypothermia in the wrong conditions. It's not always 80 degrees in canoe country. And if you're carrying a rain suit, it's available for you to wear as a last outer layer for warmth, whether it's raining or not. Having your rain gear as a wind breaker can make a big difference when you have fleece and/or other layers underneath. (This was mid-June and it wasn't raining.) How much do rain pants weigh? How much space to they take in the pack? Both answers are "very little". Bring 'em. You might not need them every trip, but when you do, you'll be happy to have them. I realize this whole dissertation doesn't help you with a solution to the breathability (or lack thereof) of rain gear, but a full rain suit (jacket and pants) is still infinitely better than a poncho in the backcountry. |
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mgraber |
When it rains for five days and nights straight with temperatures between 39 and 53 in July ultimately raining over 6 inches (I lived this), you will thank us for the advice. That is a promise! |
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Moonpath |
My solution, if you can afford it, is bring two rain jackets. After one wets out, put on the dry one. This will keep you relatively comfortable. I find that my rain pants do not wet out as badly so I only bring one. Most of the time when rain gets heavy and I am away from camp, say fishing, I bring a small lightweight nylon tarp. We pull over and set it up and sit under it during the heaviest rain. This also serves as a windbreak and takes the pressure off your rain jacket. Never have used ponchos but I agree they are not a real good option. I have tried waxed canvas, ie., filson rain gear but it is heavy hard to dry, and still can wet out. |
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fadersup |
I find goretex top and bottoms to be very effective for use around camp and when out fishing, I used Paclite layups and sometimes get wet spots from abrasion (knees/ass) and dripping inside cuffs but all in all I can live with that if the rest of me stays dry in cool temps. Even on a dry day this material can help keep you warm in a cutting wind. |