Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Gear Forum :: Canoe sail
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doubledown |
Quite honestly, I had never even considered the legality until folks started mentioning...I had seen a couple of crews use them over the years so didn't even think twice. May you limit out on walleye every day on your next trip! |
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scotttimm |
bobbernumber3: "Jackfish: "plander: "Luke Laaveg (he/him/his) " It’s his preferred pronouns. Becoming fairly standard in signatures now a days. Mine were automatically added to my business cards, though I didn’t ask for it. The times they are a changin. |
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chessie |
schweady: "Any sail with a fixed point/mast attached is illegal in the BW. Temporarily spreading out your rain gear to catch the wind is fine, tho. :-) A season past, I got a great photo of a fun group of guys going by our camp, 3 canoes together, the guy in front/center holding a pole (could've been a paddle for all I know) which supported a sail, with outer guys on either side holding onto sail "tails." Definitely not a rain poncho, for sure a "sail" but not like the one posted in previous pic. Not "attached" to boats, but held up-right in center by a support "pole". I was going to write a story and include this pic, but.... maybe not? Would this be "illegal?" Super nice group, fun to see others having fun. |
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Savage Voyageur |
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scotttimm |
chessie: "schweady: "Any sail with a fixed point/mast attached is illegal in the BW. Temporarily spreading out your rain gear to catch the wind is fine, tho. :-) My understanding- from my conversation with the forest service - is that that is ok if it is a tarp, sticks, improvised. But something specifically manufactured for the purpose is not. I think I spoke to the same gentleman referenced above. |
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andym |
As for specifying pronouns... that is becoming more common. I do it in my work email for two reasons. First, a gay colleague says that seeing it makes him feel more comfortable. Even though he is typically male and his pronouns are he/him/his, seeing them specified provides a signal to him that people are accepting of people being different. It also makes it easier for the non-binary person I work with. Their email specifies they/them. Because I specify mine, and I'm one of the group leads, it makes it easier for them to specify theirs and know they will be understood and respected. But it is not universal. Of the two trans people I am close to, one specifies their pronouns and the other doesn't. |
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doubledown |
Most of the options out there just seem cheap so I’m wondering if anyone has had good experience with a certain brand. |
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Savage Voyageur |
plander: "Well I contacted the Superior National Forest by email to ask if these devices are allowed. What we all thought, no. The question and response email exchange is below: This topic has been discussed here many times before. The thing to remember is you can’t have a permanent mounting for a sail, like with a permanent mount, brackets. This version does NOT have a permanent mounting. It has ropes or straps. So the Forest Service is wrong. They probably thought you were mounting some big sail. This is no different than a tarp that people use with ropes lashed to the canoe. I would ask them why is this not allowed and a tarp is allowed. It’s exactly the same principle! |
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scotttimm |
doubledown: "plander: "schweady: "Any sail with a fixed point/mast attached is illegal in the BW. Temporarily spreading out your rain gear to catch the wind is fine, though. :-) " I went through a lengthy process, sent in photos of something very similar to the FS, and they came back saying they are NOT legal in the BWCA. They did mention if you rig something up yourself with a tarp...fine. But anything pre-made for that specific purpose, no. |
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Jackfish |
plander: "Luke Laaveg (he/him/his) " Wow... |
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MoosilaukeJohnny |
So...we lashed the three canoes together, with the middle canoe sticking out about a yard forward to prevent water piling up - then cut a longish pole to span the three canoes about two feet forward of the outer canoes midships - and affixed a tent fly to this to act as a large spinnaker-sail, with lines on each corner which were each tied with quick release knots (wet those lines and test the releases first...to make sure they work wet!) near the stern folks, each of whom also manned paddles for steering and stability. No fancy window in the fly, mind you - but there was a bit of a sightline underneath....and the bow folks could navigate. But man oh man...did we ever fly across Seagull that day! Edit: Fast forward to last summer (July 2021) - as mentioned, my wife and I did this same loop...and Seagull was completely, totally becalmed...like glass. |
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plander |
schweady: "Any sail with a fixed point/mast attached is illegal in the BW. Temporarily spreading out your rain gear to catch the wind is fine, though. :-) " Yep. I always thought about bringing something like this (not really) but the wind is never to my back. Always seems like a headwind... |
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plander |
QUESTION FROM ME: Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 10:03 PM To: FS-R9 Superior NF Subject: Wind sail on canoe in BWCA Hi, I’m pretty sure I know the answer but looking for confirmation. Are wind sails for canoes allowed in the BWCA? Specifically something like in the link below. Thanks in advance for the response. canoe kayak sail RESPONSE FROM THEM: from: FS-R9 Superior NF to: "peteralander@gmail.com" date: Feb 2, 2022, 3:04 PM subject: RE: Wind sail on canoe in BWCA mailed-by: usda.gov signed-by: usda.gov Hello, Thank you for contacting Superior National Forest. No, the product from the link you provided would not be permitted within the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness. If desired, there are thousands of lakes outside the Wilderness where you would be more than welcome to use such a product. If I can clarify any of the above information or be of any further help, please don’t hesitate to ask. Regards, Luke Laaveg (he/him/his) Visitor Services and Information Forest Service Superior National Forest Supervisor’s Office p: 218-626-4300 luke.laaveg@usda.gov 8901 Grand Avenue Place Duluth, MN 55808 www.fs.fed.us |
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bobbernumber3 |
Jackfish: "plander: "Luke Laaveg (he/him/his) " What's that even mean? |
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MReid |
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schweady |
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andym |
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doubledown |
plander: "schweady: "Any sail with a fixed point/mast attached is illegal in the BW. Temporarily spreading out your rain gear to catch the wind is fine, though. :-) " Yes, that’s the style I’m talking about…not a mast style. Hoping for some 1st hand experience and a recommendation on a reliable brand. |
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plander |
doubledown: "plander: "schweady: "Any sail with a fixed point/mast attached is illegal in the BW. Temporarily spreading out your rain gear to catch the wind is fine, though. :-) " I think these aren’t allowed since they attach to the boat. |
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Bobaaa |
plander: "schweady: "Any sail with a fixed point/mast attached is illegal in the BW. Temporarily spreading out your rain gear to catch the wind is fine, though. :-) " That thing could double as one heckuva drift sock ;) |
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AdamXChicago |
As mentioned on this thread, reliable tailwinds are rare. I haven’t brought the sail on any recent trips though, as I’ve determined it’s too much hassle to take with. AdamX |