Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Gear Forum :: Cordage/Rope if hanging heavy blue barrel...
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moosedoggie |
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DMan5501 |
Weighs in at 4 oz (without cordage) used 550 paracord and sticks to raise it. Great tool! |
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Erk |
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HighnDry |
As noted above, this works with about 100 ft of 8mm, reflective climbing rope (REI). 50 ft is tied to B pulley and the other 50 ft to the C pulley. Each runs to a tree branch. A short piece of this rope (about a foot long) ties pulley B to pulley C. The whole set-up weighs about 12 oz. |
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northerncanoe |
It is fun to see the advances in rope and pulley's. It seems like plenty of weight could be saved by using lighter hardware and rope. I have a 10 x 12 tarp, how many feet of cordage would you bring for a proper hang? I am going to purchase a lighter tent as there is good potential to save a couple pounds there too. I have also cut back on the amount of fishing tackle I bring as it turns out I have success with a small subset of my lures each time. Thanks. Mike |
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HowardSprague |
It'll be heavy - especially if we have 5-6 guys - so I want to use cordage that's not only strong enough in terms of (lbs rating), but easy enough to pull on and handle even when wet. So paracord is out (that's even a little tough on the hands and knot adjustment for tarps when it's wet and windy). If I'm looking at the Sterling rope offerings: sterling rope accessory cords should I go with the 4-5-6-or7 mm diameters? |
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Loony_canoe |
I cannot see how you can meet the regulations without a pulley and a no stretch rope system. |
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Kendis |
PortageGold: " +1 to using a stick as a handle. But use a marlinspike hitch instead of a prusik or the clove hitch suggested in a different post. The marlinspike hitch is literally made for using a bar (stick in this case) as a handle and is easier to tie and untie. |
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Lawnchair107 |
TrailZen: "Kendis: "+1 to using a stick as a handle. But use a marlinspike hitch instead of a prusik or the clove hitch suggested in a different post. The marlinspike hitch is literally made for using a bar (stick in this case) as a handle and is easier to tie and untie." That’s exactly what we do, too. Just find the simpler clove-hitch easier to tie than the marlin, but definitely not a prussik. My .02 cents |
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dogwoodgirl |
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TrailZen |
Kendis: "+1 to using a stick as a handle. But use a marlinspike hitch instead of a prusik or the clove hitch suggested in a different post. The marlinspike hitch is literally made for using a bar (stick in this case) as a handle and is easier to tie and untie." Thanks! Learned a new knot today. TZ |
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alpinebrule |
Products are sometimes out of stock but do come back fairly quickly. |
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PortageGold |
My general assessment: Obviously the bigger the rope the stronger it will be and easier to use when wet. But there is a point of diminishing returns. Strength wise I did a very rough calc on the loading that a 5 ft drop of a 100 lb load would have on the rope and came up with ropes at 6mm would be close to the minum to survive the load. This is a much larger load to stop the moving object compared to a simple static hang. But like I said it was a ball park estimate. With handeling when wet you can always tie in a stick to give you a handel bar to help pull and or tie a prusik knot to it with a handle |
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AmarilloJim |
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WonderMonkey |
belgiancurve22: "Mule tape works great we use it at work,lightweight and water doesn’t effect it " I use Amsteel, which is what makes Mule tape. I use that for bow lines, etc. Very strong, floats and more. |
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plander |
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AmarilloJim |
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Z4K |
A little overkill for a food barrel, but for less than two ounces this will be handy for hanging big game in the field, un-stucking my smaller 4 wheeler, etc. I imagine a pinned canoe would be too much but for the cost I would try. |
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Kendis |
TrailZen: "Kendis: "+1 to using a stick as a handle. But use a marlinspike hitch instead of a prusik or the clove hitch suggested in a different post. The marlinspike hitch is literally made for using a bar (stick in this case) as a handle and is easier to tie and untie." If you use a tarp at camp, you can also make it easier to put up and take down the tarp by creating an impromptu marlinspike hitch and a toggle (probably a stick you find on the ground) to create a quick release. Tie a bowline in the end of the rope, pass the rope around the tree once, then pull the standing end (the end that goes to the other tree) through the loop of the bowline to create a marlinspike hitch. Insert the toggle. Now all you have to do when taking down the tarp is remove the toggle and the ridgeline rope comes loose. There are videos out there like this one that show it (starting at timestamp 1:40). |
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plander |
Kendis: "TrailZen: "Kendis: "+1 to using a stick as a handle. But use a marlinspike hitch instead of a prusik or the clove hitch suggested in a different post. The marlinspike hitch is literally made for using a bar (stick in this case) as a handle and is easier to tie and untie." For the static end of a ridge line use a Siberian hitch instead. No stick or extra knot/loop required. Super easy. Siberian hitch |
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Savage Voyageur |
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MagicPaddler |
The blocks are Ronstan Series 30. Don’t know why I used Series 30 Series 15 are Cheaper, lighter, and strong enough. With 30 Lb pull on the string it will lift a 90 LB food bag. It was tested by lifting 175 Lb. The swivel is rated at 420 Lb. The support line is Para cord which goes between 2 tree tops. The blue bag serves two purposes. It is the storage bag for the system and I put a rock in it to throw over a limb using the string that is tied to it to pull the para cord over. The white line is 1.2mm nylon string. Oh yes I ware leather gloves when lifting or lowering it. |
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HowardSprague |
I guess my main line, assuming you need to be about 12-15’ up, and have enough to tie down around each tree, and the trees could easily be 50’ apart, should be a good 80-100’ in length. |
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HowardSprague |
I know i’d somehow screw up the pulley A section :) My simplistic thought, as scribbled on the napkin below, was one 7mm rope across, a pulley in the middle, and a 5mm cord through that and to the pack, and tied off somewhere. Any thoughts as to why this might not work? I’ll try things out in the back yard when we have some decent weather. |
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Traveler316 |
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HighnDry |
You would be using a force of 1/3 the weight of your barrel vs a half if using one pulley, etc. |
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StLouisPaddler |
HowardSprague: "That looks like it would be highly effective, I like it. I take it the yellow dots are points of attachment? I like that I could’ve just bought two 50 foot pieces instead of shopping around for a 100 ft piece. (But it’s on the way, went with a 7mm from bluewaterropes.) This is identical to what I do. I believe it’s called the clothesline method and one of the approved hanging methods. I use 100 feet for the “clothesline” between two trees with one end tied off with a Siberian hitch and the other end tied off and tensioned, heavily, with a truckers hitch. The pulley system is attached in the middle of the clothesline using an Alpine Butterfly knot. The 4:1 pulley I use takes about 75 feet of rope to get a good high hang, but I’ve made 50 feet work in a pinch. I like this method because you don’t need to rely on finding that mythical one perfect hanging branch that never seems to exist. You just need two trees of generally appropriate spacing and strength. |
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Erk |
Whatever cord you end up with, get yourself some micro pulleys, from SMC, CMI, DMM, etc. learn how to hang your bag with those. Not only will you save your forearms from hauling your blue barrel, but you’ll have the know how to do some basic rigging or potentially help save a canoe or life. Worth the few extra baggage in your canoe and brain |
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StLouisPaddler |
Clothesline Bear Hang Diagram |
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Lawnchair107 |
AmarilloJim: "I use this type of pulley. Small and light." I use these as well plus the dual-harken pulley. I pair this with 7/64 armsteel which is rated to like 1200lbs. Use your gloves or attached a stick via clove hitch and it really works quite well. This method has been used on food bags weighing 40-55 lbs. |
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belgiancurve22 |
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StLouisPaddler |
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nooneuno |
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arnesr |
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Grizzlyman |
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HowardSprague |
Got my rope today, and had already ordered a pulley referenced in one of the above replies. Was thinking this (pictured) - but will prob do the pulley from the knot as you mentioned. Hopefully this pulley is tough enough for the job, maybe I’ll get another slightly larger one as backup. |