Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Gear Forum :: River canoe & misc gear recommendations redux
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Argo |
Kendis: "We are also planning a canoeing trip in the lochs and rivers of Scotland for 2026 and using 2024 and 2025 to build our skills for that. Speaking of Scotland, I just came across This. Interesting gear and scenery. A different sort of canoe trip altogether but intriguing nonetheless. |
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Kendis |
We have limited whitewater experience. As I mentioned, this is a tentative trip for 2024 and I am building a training regimen for gradually increasing difficulty on trips between now and then. The trip in 2024, wherever it would be, would be chosen in a way to align our skill with the risk. We are also planning a canoeing trip in the lochs and rivers of Scotland for 2026 and using 2024 and 2025 to build our skills for that. |
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Jackfish |
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Blackdogyak |
nooneuno: "My take on the best gun for wilderness trips is more than just the biggest, the best gun is the one you have immediate access to. Are you going to have that shotgun in hand across every portage? While gathering firewood? Sightseeing etc? Remote fly fishing trips in Alaska has shown that for me the best choice is a 15 shot 10mm loaded with hard cast buffalo bore carried in an ultimate chest holster. When standing waist deep in a river with a fly rod in one hand that twelve gauge or carbine on shore may as well be a red ryder same would be true when that canoe is on your shoulder." I'm going to give you a very wide berth when I see you on the stream. |
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Blackdogyak |
Kendis: "I'm looking to take my trips "to the next level" and considering remote lake and/or river travel in Canada. Not places like Temagami, Algonquin, Quetico, etc., but true wilderness experiences. Below is a basic framework for the trip, certainly open to revision and suggestions. This would be for a trip in 2024 sometime between May and September. I own a MRE Royalex 16. It's a great all-around boat and is very forgiving on rivers but it's heavy. If you end up doing more flat than rivers....and ClassII or less in the river, you should look at the new ultralight boats. The smaller pack boats are very popuy now....with kayak seats and paddled with a double blade. A 13 footer at 18 pounds can be had for under $2K. Kevlar carbon fiber hybrid. . If you want a traditional hull like a prospector 16 tandem, $2200 can get you a 16' at 30 pounds. If you are doing ANY portaging, that 30 pound boat is going to be a whole lot better than the 73 pound MRE. The rest of the miscellaneous gear...there are a bunch of threads on this. Find a thread with a "master list".....and then delve into whichever objects you care to in detail. For example, there are a bunch of different options for stives, tents, hammocks, water filtration and so forth. If you don't have that gear yet, buy it piece by piece after looking at the options and seeing what seems best for your intended use and budget. Good gear will last you for the rest of your life and will be a pleasure to use. |
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Kendis |
Blackdogyak: " Am in discussions with Nova Craft retailers for a Prospector 16 in TuffStuff layup. We already own all of the miscellaneous gear for our BWCA and local trips. |
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dschult2 |
Kendis: "Canoe was delivered this week. Took her out for the maiden voyage today. Nova Craft Prospector 16 in TuffStuff layup with clear gel coat which shows the Innegra fibers underneath. That is one beautiful boat! Where did you get it from? Nova Craft themselves in London Ontario or a dealer? |
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bobbernumber3 |
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dschult2 |
2. With two paddlers you don't need the double bladed. Too hard to keep a rhythm with the bow paddler. 3. You're going to be spending 2 - 3 hundred on a PLB anyway so just spend a bit more to upgrade to the Inreach Explorer for the reasons mentioned above. 4. Assuming you want it for protection, unless you plan on being in polar or grizzly bear territory you don't need the gun. Bear spray and bangers are good enough. Save the weight. But if you insist on bringing one, a 20ga will do you no good in a time you might actually need it. Upgrade to a 12ga pump with rifled slugs. |
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Z4K |
Can't go wrong with a Mad River Explorer. In royalex, of course. |
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Kendis |
Jackfish: "Just a quick question... you reference wanting a canoe with reasonable space for the bow paddler, but then you mention a double-bladed paddle. That would make me think you might be paddling solo. Can you elaborate?" Considering a double-bladed paddle for faster travel on flatwater sections in a tandem canoe as the stern paddler. |
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Kendis |
Trip duration: minimum 10 days, maximum 21 days, not including travel time Travel time: ideally no more than 4 days roundtrip from Chicago, IL, USA. Flying, driving, and train are all fine People: my wife and myself Any recommendations on the following types of gear for this kind of trip are greatly appreciated. 1. Canoe: probably a rental from an outfitter near the entry, but possibly a purchase we transport on a very long drive. $2k-5k budget for a purchase. Needs reasonable leg space for bow paddler. We own a kevlar Wenonah Champlain and it's not suited to the expected river travel. I found this thread about river canoe suggestions but would appreciate any other insights. 2. Double-bladed paddle. 3. Emergency communication device: we already own a GPS unit, so would prefer not to buy an "all in one" but instead get a standalone emergency device. 4. Gun: currently own a 20 gauge shotgun. If you want to make an argument against taking a gun please keep it short. |
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jwartman59 |
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MReid |
The last couple of trips I made we started at one place, and ended at another, with no way to shuttle (no roads, etc.). PakCanoes were pretty much the only option. 2. Skip the double-bladed paddle, and refine your single blade strokes. If you've been paddling a Wenonah, you should already know "sit and switch". That is entirely adequate if you're in a hurry. 3. I've used the inReach, with a separate GPS just because I own one. With the inReach, you only pay an additional $50 for GPS capabilities (the Explorer + vs Explorer (may be out of date now). That way you don't run down emergency batteries. With "I'm here" texts every other day, and just a few additional texts, I was still at 75% battery after 6 weeks. 4. 20 ga. with Brenneke slugs should be adequate for pretty much anything. (Edit: good luck finding Brenneke slugs. Standard 20 ga. Foster slugs would probably be inadequate.) Being new to really remote areas, you should really think about tripping with a single boat. River travel adds another layer of risk, and there's no one else to help out if you make a mistake. Also, having an additional (experienced) perspective is always useful. |
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Banksiana |
Kendis: "Jackfish: "Just a quick question... you reference wanting a canoe with reasonable space for the bow paddler, but then you mention a double-bladed paddle. That would make me think you might be paddling solo. Can you elaborate?" In general a well handled single blade is more efficient than a double. A double will be quicker if you are unable to maintain a similar cadence with a single (i.e. you are a better double blade paddler than single blade) or if you rely heavily on corrective strokes (rudder/j-stroke). Due to the physics of paddling a double blade directs a greater portion of the energy into sideways motion than a single- a product of the blade being further from the centerline of the canoe. |
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straighthairedcurly |
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Blackdogyak |
Kendis: "Blackdogyak: " Oooo....the top shelf stuff. Nice. |
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Argo |
There are bears all over the province including southern Ontario where most of the bear attacks have taken place in the the last fifty years (most in Algonquin Park). I would simply ask yourself, "Would I take a shotgun to Algonquin or Quetico?" If not, why would you take one to where it is that you are planning to travel? There is no statistal difference in encountering a predetory black bear. You'll just be humping useless weight. Bring more Fireball instead :) There's a lot of videos on YouTube of people paddling Ontario's remote Northern rivers. Many are well produced and highly entertaining. Lots to learn from them. The advice provided earlier about whitewater paddling is particularly sage. |
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jwartman59 |
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Kendis |
dschult2: " I purchased it through Offshore Marine, a Nova Craft dealer in Lake Bluff, IL. Friendly and quality customer service. Edit: deleted some irrelevant text |
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tomo |
Canoe looks like a beauty! |