Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Gear Forum :: Has anyone done a trip with only twig fired stoves?
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gravelroad |
blackdawg9: "we did a trip with i think 15 people. had to use 2 sites and cook together in the morning and eavening. " You might want to reconsider admitting to a violation of the Forest Service regulation on party size in the BWCAW. "GROUP SIZE Nine (9) people and four (4) watercraft are the maximum amount allowed gathered together in the wilderness. You may not exceed this limit at any time or anywhere (on water, portages, or campsites) in the BWCAW." BWCAW Rules and Regulations |
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blackdawg9 |
i dont know what the deal is with the whisper lites. on fuel consumption, but they are horrindous. |
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GeneH |
BWCA has fire grates, so I use them if I want fire, and for a quick boil I use Isobutane canisters. When in 20 deg weather and weight is not a consideration I'll take a propane tank with adapter to use on my canister stoves. Can't beat the large are of a fire grate to fry fish, especially for any size group. I wouldn't like to try to regulate a twig stove or any small fire stove. |
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ockycamper |
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blackdawg9 |
But if your going to keep youth interested in paddling. You have to get as many out there at anyone time. That you can. |
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gravelroad |
blackdawg9: "Wasn't in the bwca. I apologize for misreading your post. |
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A1t2o |
Are twig stoves a good primary stove option? No. Not in my opinion unless you only need it for heating up water in smaller quantities. But to replace an extra can of gas for occasional use, I could see it being a valid option if only for the novelty of it. |
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martian |
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blackdawg9 |
P eople don't explore or get farther in that the first spot to squat. We need to be encouraging of distance paddling . If your not burning everything to the ground for camp cooking, using stoves . And splitting camps and not fishing. Your not doing any damage. What difference does it make? We have to have common sense and discernment, what is appropriate. F.S. may need reducation One of these days soon. You will have the feds come in and say not enough people are using these grounds and the forest fire tender loads are so high. We're just going to sell it to private companies. To strip everything from the land. It's probably going to be the Chinese. |
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ockycamper |
blackdawg9: "Your fine. But with kids with 1 parent and gas being $5 a gallon. People are going to get priced out of ever being in remote places, unless with larger groups. The last 2 years of abuse and lockdowns. The kids aren't alright, they need to be able to get as many out as you can. Let them heal. If I promoted a trip based on distance paddling, multiple portages and setting up and taking down camps every day there would be no one signing up. The beauty of the BWCA is it is whatever you want to make it. Our groups are base campers. They like to fish, explore (with no gear) and hang out by the fire. The kids just like to run and fish. |
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ockycamper |
That stopped in day 3 |
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Northwoodsman |
ockycamper: "Side note: last year I had a two burner camping stove and a jet boil with me. We were using the green Coleman gas cannisters for the camping stove, and the mid sized canisters for the jet boil. At the end of the second day I realized we had gone through 2 1/2 green Coleman canisters of fuel. When I checked into it, I found out one guy had brought a full sized camping coffee perculator with him. He would "brew" his coffee each morning for 30 minutes, then turn it to low for the next couple of hours so he would always have hot coffee. Ouch! |
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keth0601 |
Granted on a weight-saving trip I don't cook anything elaborate, if you want to do real cooking you'd want a different system. If I'm planning to cook fish, pizza, etc I'll throw in the banks frybake. and obviously if there's a fire ban the gas stove comes along. Twig stoves and (I believe, not 100% sure) esbit stoves are not allowed during a fire ban... |
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gravelroad |
ockycamper: "Side note: last year I had a two burner camping stove and a jet boil with me. We were using the green Coleman gas cannisters for the camping stove, and the mid sized canisters for the jet boil. At the end of the second day I realized we had gone through 2 1/2 green Coleman canisters of fuel. When I checked into it, I found out one guy had brought a full sized camping coffee perculator with him. He would "brew" his coffee each morning for 30 minutes, then turn it to low for the next couple of hours so he would always have hot coffee. There is no rule saying your party size can't decrease mid-trip. "Why no, we have no idea what happened to him, Officer. Woke up on Day 3 and he was just gone." Or not. |
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TechnoScout |
We used 66 oz of fuel with my whisperlite. |
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airmorse |
gravelroad: "ockycamper: "Side note: last year I had a two burner camping stove and a jet boil with me. We were using the green Coleman gas cannisters for the camping stove, and the mid sized canisters for the jet boil. At the end of the second day I realized we had gone through 2 1/2 green Coleman canisters of fuel. When I checked into it, I found out one guy had brought a full sized camping coffee perculator with him. He would "brew" his coffee each morning for 30 minutes, then turn it to low for the next couple of hours so he would always have hot coffee. Funny! |
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boonie |
"Why no, we have no idea what happened to him, Officer. Woke up on Day 3 and he was just gone." It has happened . . . Remember those guys, Joel . . . ? :) |
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Lawnchair107 |
ockycamper: "Looking to lighten up. One of the things I have been looking at is that we bring up a couple of jet boils and spyder stoves. But with them comes a lot of those mid sized fuel cannisters. I've brought up just the kelly kettle (hobo stove) portion on numerous trips as our only stove. It works great. You just have to experiment with what pots/ pans work best. I've been using an alpine deep pot from Bank's Fry- Pan. We typically cook over the fire grate but on those rainy days under the tarp or early morning coffee- it works like a charm. |
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ockycamper |
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tonecoughlin |
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ockycamper |
I as looking at a stove for cooking for a group of 3-4 guys. Looking at Solo Stove Titan or Campfire. |
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A1t2o |
My guess is that these are designed with either hikers or regions with little firewood available in mind. Maybe these would work better in Quetico where there are no fire grates, but even then, making a fire and putting a little grate on rocks is not that hard. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of being able to pop out of the tent in the morning and grab some sticks to heat up some water quickly for coffee and oatmeal, but in practice there just doesn't seem to be a need for it. Gas is just so much more convenient. |
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boonie |
keth0601: "and obviously if there's a fire ban the gas stove comes along. Twig stoves and (I believe, not 100% sure) esbit stoves are not allowed during a fire ban..." You're correct and that also includes alcohol stoves. Only stoves with a shut-off valve are permissible. I just take a canister stove - it's simple, quick, permissible if a fire ban is instituted, and a canister lasts me a long time. A small one over a week and a medium one over 2 1/2 weeks. That's the result of making certain choices that not everyone wants to make. And the canisters are recyclable (that's what the JetBoil Crunchit Tool is for), although the details vary by location. |
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merlyn |
For one person just boiling water it's great but I don't think it would be practical for a group. Mine is an off brand called Ohuhu 174 from Amazon and was $27 5 or 6 years ago, it weighs .83# . I use mine, paired with an alcohol stove, on short trips mostly. |
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Frenchy19 |
Note: I have two twig burners, and you can have them for free if you want them and can pick them up from me. |
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ThePeregrine |
TechnoScout: "Our May trip was 10 days (9 breakfast, 9 dinners), two people. Mostly Mountainhouse for meals but did cook pancakes twice and popcorn snack a couple of times. Coffee every morning...several cups of instant each (at least). One fish dinner. What type of fuel were you using? In my 5 day and 6 day trips with 2-3 people using the Whisperlight Universal we have never used more than 1x8oz tank of isobutane. That is a mix of rehydrating, simmering, and making percolator coffee. I do admit however this year I brought a single 16oz tank and our 3 man group drank a lot of coffee on cold mornings. I don't think that thing had another burn in it when we exited, but we didn't run out. |
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EddyTurn |
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ockycamper |
Has anyone done a trip with just twig stoves like Kelly Kettle, Solo Stove, Toaks, or bushbuddy stove? Doesn't make sense to bring one of those, and still bring up the propane stoves as well. Just not sure on pulling the plug and tried to go the entire trip with four men on a twig stove. |
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TechnoScout |
ThePeregrine: "TechnoScout: "Our May trip was 10 days (9 breakfast, 9 dinners), two people. Mostly Mountainhouse for meals but did cook pancakes twice and popcorn snack a couple of times. Coffee every morning...several cups of instant each (at least). One fish dinner. Coleman fuel. It was 10 days that were wet cold and quite windy. Wind reduces efficiency even when using the Al shroud. |
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Hammertime |
2 of them weigh less than the smaller solo stove option, pack much smaller, and are much cheaper. Adding the costs/weight of canisters gets you close to the break even point and you don’t have to hassle with gathering sticks and tending that fire while you cook. Also they are bombproof. I have had a pair of them for 10 years and after being crunched in the pack several times and coated in rust from being left out in rainstorms they are still as good as new. |
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kenpark23 |
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