Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Gear Forum :: Do you get wet under your rain gear?
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LaVirginienne |
trashbag: "good way to test it would be to stand in the shower and see if it leaks. " That is a good test for hiking but not with paddling or working in the rain where you raise your arms above your waist. Paddling and portaging on full rainy days, you’re going to get wet so try to wear very lightweight long sleeve shirt and pants underneath. |
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snakecharmer |
quote boonie: "It didn't sound like it was working right. Was it goretex or something else?" Columbia doesn't use Gore-Tex. They are direct competitors. Another vote for Cabelas Gore-Tex Pac Lite. |
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plmn |
timf1981: "There is no way a "breathable" rain jacket can let out enough water vapor to be affective. So get yourself something that wont leak . Forget about breathable. Yeah, I never liked Gortex and the like because it never seemed to breathe well at all for me. Later I learned that while it does breathe somewhat and repel water, it cannot do both at the same time. When it's wet it won't breathe. The water resistance is rarely 100% and wears out. IMO something lightweight and well ventilated is the way to go unless it's something you're wearing for more than rain and not out in rain for long periods of time. But no matter what you do, at the end of the day there is no perfect solution so you need to take other precautions so you can get dried out. |
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timf1981 |
nctry: "I don't need to say we've had a little rain. On my recent trip one of the failures was my rain gears ability to keep out rain in other than light rain. Shouldn't I be able to stay somewhat dry in like an all day soaker? I had a couple times where I got soaked to the skin in my brand new Columbia Rain Gear." There is no way a "breathable" rain jacket can let out enough water vapor to be affective. So get yourself something that wont leak . Forget about breathable. If in Minnesota. It is always cold while it is raining so its important to stay dry. It rained all afternoon and all night. It quit raining just in time to break camp. And immediately started raining at the start of our 5 hour exit out of Quetico. Saganagons to Silver Falls portage across Cache Bay to Hook island. Our pick up point. After 10 minutes of paddling in the rain gear. We were already soaking wet from sweat. Breathable would have made no diffetence. So we paddled and portaged in our quick dry pants and shirt. We kept hydratedvand hadvplentybof bars handy. We were working hard. Most of it into a 10-15 mph wind, of course... It started to lighting half way across Cache Bay . Nothing close but worrisome. We figured our picknup would not head out during the lightning . So we figured it wouldnt matter if we were late to Hook Island. But we now had a tail wind after exiting Cache Bay and turning to the East. There wss still lightning to the west so we pushed hard and gotvthete right at 11am. Our pickup time. We took off all our wet clothes and put on every piece of dry clothing we had. Then putbon our lifejackets and then our rain gear. Those long undetwesr that had been traveling with me for thirty years finally came in handy. We then sat there for 90 minutes in the rain waiting for our pick up. We were exhausted and hungry but we were bone dry and warm. If our rain gesr had been waterlogged. It would have been a misserably if not dangerous wait. This was 2012 June when Duluth had been flooded with a foot of rain. Everybriver on the North Shore was utterly outragous |
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chipaddler |
The goretex did nothing to prevent the pain of marble size hail. :) A friend brought a 15.00 PVC rain suit. The rain never got through it, but he was still wet from sweating in the sauna it created. |
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boonie |
Where did the water come through yours - seams, zippers, cuffs? Everywhere? I'd give Columbia a call and see what they say. |
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trashbag |
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nctry |
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wetcanoedog |
the big problem is that rain runs thru the cuffs.i don't think anyone made a rain jacket for those of us who portage and hold our arms up allowing the rain to work in.i know there are jackets with rubber sort of seals on the cuffs but those are for people out to sea in yaks and not canoe campers.hikers don't have the water thru the cuff problem and the suits are made for them in mind. |
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boonie |
quote wetcanoedog: "no, but working hard on the portage i sweat and get damp. I have wondered if one of those paddling jackets with the seals might be a good idea for the BW. Is there any reason they wouldn't work for canoe camping in the BW? |
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WhiteWolf |
I have had all the $$ rain gear from MH and Patagonia to Cableas' top end stuff. Works fishing and laying around camp- and breathes. But for the $$ and weight,, I bring Frogg Toggs,, espeically in the warmer months,, colder months I bring the $$ stuff. Watch the frog toggs around the fire......... and it gets hot and clammy. But works. |
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Moonpath |
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nctry |
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Scout64 |
quote trashbag: "good way to test it would be to stand in the shower and see if it leaks. " This is exactly how I discovered my coat was no longer waterproof after 17 years. Every year I would test it in the shower. This year, it leaked like a sieve. All the seem tape came off. Sure glad I check it before my trip in early June. |
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AndySG |
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timatkn |
quote kanoes: "quote timatkn: "Also watch the sleeves. In a bog down pour while paddling it isn't uncommon for the water to run down your arm if you lift past your waist. It can soke your whole body no matter how hard you tighten the sleeves. Good idea. I only have a problem though when I shoot video in the rain (arms holding camera up), which I did in June but I was in a boat not a canoe. I guess I could see this happening while portaging a canoe? T |
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AndySG |
quote Diego: "Most any rain gear will do an admirable job of keeping the rain out if your just sitting around waiting for it to pass. However, as soon as you start to exert yourself, you will be creating enough sweat vapor that builds up under that nice rain jacket making it seem like rains coming through. Diego is correct about the exertion factor. Even though the fabric is "breathable," the pressure of the high humidity outside prevents perspiration vapor from escaping and evaporating. Heat and perspiration vapors are trapped and your clothing gets damp. A similar principal is heat index during high humidity. Sweat won't evaporate so the cooling effect is lost. |
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deerfoot |
In 2009 it was a very rainy year in NW Ontario and on a 2 week trip we all got wet eventually and all our gear did also. Normally we did not travel in the rain. On this trip we had to since it rained every day. |
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BWPaddler |
Some sooner, some later, but almost always wet. Fleece underneath, dries quickly, for me it's still warm when wet. Not sure what I would do if I was up there this past month in those downpours. Fortunately, I am not miserable when wet. come to think of it, I first used a poncho when tripping (nylon, Campmor?) That actually did a pretty good job - at least as good as anything else. This past trip was predicted to be all rain. I brought about 3-4 extra rain jackets so kids wouldn't be in danger. One of them was pink PVC (a gift). That kid was dry to her skin! But PVC won't work for the other two kids - would rip within seconds of their typical level of activity. |
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Sierra1 |
quote boonie: "@Sierra1- Mountain Hardware Versteeg Jacket - I read the reviews but I never had a problem. For me it's been extremely reliable. $111.00 on sale now at REI. Not trying to sell REI product but I just saw it's on sale. REI Ultra Light Rain Pants - Light weight and kept me dry. They seemed a bit thin but they worked fine... $79.00 |
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trashbag |
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overthehill |
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boonie |
What are the names of the jacket and pants? |
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Ragged |
quote kanoes: "quote Ragged: " |
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LuvMyBell |
quote walllee: "Simms rain gear for me, stay completely dry. I have Cabelas insulated rain gear for cold weather and it does also. If I could give anybody advice on what not to scrimp on when outfitting yourself for the B.W.C.A. it would be life jacket first, then quality rain gear." ditto of the life jacket and rain gear. |
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chipaddler |
Cabelas={keyword} This jacket is completely un-insulated. Really just a shell, but will keep you dry. Edit: just saw the sizes are limited on the sale items 2XL & 3XL. |
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kanoes |
quote timatkn: "Also watch the sleeves. In a bog down pour while paddling it isn't uncommon for the water to run down your arm if you lift past your waist. It can soke your whole body no matter how hard you tighten the sleeves. wear long wrist sweatbands. half on your bare wrists, the other half over the cuffs of your rain jacket. sure, they get wet but they also stop water from entering your sleeves. |
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Savage Voyageur |
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Ragged |
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pamonster |
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kanoes |
quote Ragged: "after 30 mins or less in a crazy downpour I could see the tops of my thighs had completely wetted" ya sure you werent just scared? |
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keth0601 |
Sure my forearms down and my calves and ankles get wet but usually this doesn't bother me much in the bwca since I'm usually wet footing anyways and my hands would be wet either way. |
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BeaV |
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GSP |
quote nctry: "I don't need to say we've had a little rain. On my recent trip one of the failures was my rain gears ability to keep out rain in other than light rain. Shouldn't I be able to stay somewhat dry in like an all day soaker? I had a couple times where I got soaked to the skin in my brand new Columbia Rain Gear." Call Columbia and talk with them, they have great customer service. |
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Goby |
I second the Cabelas Paclite raingear, I have a set of that and love it. It has kept me dry in an all day soaker several times. I spray it with campdry each year to help it out. |
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walllee |
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Diego |
Ive got a lightweight $200 rain jacket,.. It does a little better, but if Im really hoofing it, it too will get wet inside. Just no way around it. This is why actually alot of the lightweight hikers these days are going the umbrella route...seriously! |
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timatkn |
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HowardSprague |
quote Diego: "Most any rain gear will do an admirable job of keeping the rain out if your just sitting around waiting for it to pass. However, as soon as you start to exert yourself, you will be creating enough sweat vapor that builds up under that nice rain jacket making it seem like rains coming through. I like to wear a long-sleeved, wicking type of shirt underneath, like a patagonia capilene or some of the duofold stuff. Then I still feel pretty dry, even if i'm sweating. |
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ripple |
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TuscaroraBorealis |
quote timatkn: "Also watch the sleeves. In a bog down pour while paddling it isn't uncommon for the water to run down your arm if you lift past your waist. It can soke your whole body no matter how hard you tighten the sleeves. Excellent point! Also, if out in a heavy downpour. Water can run down your face into protected areas as well. |
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chipaddler |
quote ripple: "We had the same issue on our Quetico trip this June. We have REI rain gear that we have had for about 5 years now- per this artical I realized the gear probably needs to be replaced. Buy the Right Rain Gear " Ripple - if you don't need something this summer, keep an eye out at cabela's. I got my Gore-Tex PacLite shell for 50.00. Was a sale sometime during the offseason. |
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ripple |
quote chipaddler: "quote ripple: "We had the same issue on our Quetico trip this June. We have REI rain gear that we have had for about 5 years now- per this artical I realized the gear probably needs to be replaced. Buy the Right Rain Gear " Thanks! The prices are crazy for the Gore-Tex Paclite= nearly $1,000 to outfit my husband and myself in new jackets and pants!!!!!! |