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mfl1776 |
Am I crazy to pack this minimalist for a mid-July trip? I don't mind being dirty and stinky. We'll only be out there for 4 days and some change. One pair quick dry convertible pants (wearing) One long sleeve poly/climacool t-shirt (wearing) Long john bottoms for sleeping Smartwool socks x 3 or 4 (for wet footing and for camp/sleeping - 3/4 might seem excessive but with wetfooting, especially on long paddling days, I've found in the past that socks don't dry fast enough for the next day). Fleece jacket Rain gear Underwear x2 (incl. the pair I'll be wearing) Cotton t-shirt for sleeping (I know..."cotton kills", but it's much more comfortable for sleeping) Knit cap Bill cap Merrell Water Shoes Crocs (for camp) Bandanna (neck protection and many other uses) Thanks in advance for weighing in. |
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SPOTPRES1 |
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HighnDry |
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Jaywalker |
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mfl1776 |
I think I'll stick with the ones I have. Plus, as someone else noted in this thread, they can be used as an outer shell/warming layer if a cold snap hits. Not sure the lightweight kind would be quite as effective in that case. They are somewhat bulky - especially when compared to the sparsity of other clothing I'm bringing - but I got the $5 stuff sack Frogg Toggs sells and they smush down real nice inside it. So not really a problem in terms of taking up too much pack space. |
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sedges |
When going light in the summer I deal with that by making sure that if I layered everything I had in the pack including rain gear it will keep me warm into the 30s. |
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campnfish |
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boonie |
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cyclones30 |
I think you'll be warm enough if you basically put everything you have on under your rain gear for the "surprise cold" spell that may or may not happen while you're up there. |
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Banksiana |
mfl1776: " If you're wet footing just put on wet or damp socks when traveling, they'll be wet soon enough. Also for a four day trip your forecast, especially temperatures will be fairly accurate, pack for the conditions predicted. |
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Savage Voyageur |
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AmarilloJim |
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boonie |
Intellicast Ely historic averages |
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OldFingers57 |
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bposteve |
I generally just bring one spare set of socks. One pair may never be dry and I'm ok with that, the other pair is for when I'm done with the canoe and want dry feet in camp. |
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murphylakejim |
campnfish: "Fleece jacket in july seems excessive, and bulky, September i would say bring it, not july. I would ditch the long underwear bottoms and bring a long underwear top and a long sleeve shirt to double up in place of fleece, save some room. 3 pair of socks works great in the fall, in july socks dry fast, so i would never bring more than 3, one for wetfoot, one for not, and i leave a pair in my hammock. " +1 |
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salukiguy |
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thebotanyguy |
You wouldn't necessarily need gloves for warmth, although they will supply that if unexpected cold and wet happens. The leather gloves are useful for wood gathering, pulling on a rope, or picking up hot pots and pans. |
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SevenofNine |
You could replace the fleece jacket with a mid weight fleece long john or a light weight down coat like an Eddie Bauer Microtherm jacket with hood. My down jacket with hood (I've used the hood before on trips) is so light and packs small that it's silly to leave it behind but I don't take trips in July. I bring a balaclava in place of a knit hat. I prefer being able to cover my face if it is windy and cold. Also if you are willing to have a wet pair of pants and only a long john with rain pant as a replacement then go for it. Quick dry pants weigh so little that it's worth it to me to have a spare pair. To each his own. Question, do you have any gloves or liner gloves you bring? I didn't see it on your list. Have a great trip! |
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Bumstead |
2 pairs wool socks 2 pairs underwear 1 long sleeve 2 cotton t-shirts 2 polyester hoodies 1 pair pants 1 pair thin long john pants 1 pair shorts 1 pair sleeping pants 1 stocking hat 1 baseball cap 1 pair of light gloves rain pants and jacket. 1 pair trail running shoes head net 20° synthetic mummy bag either used as a quilt or zipped up if into the lower 40°'s or below If it'd be very cold going on entry day, I'd wear one of the hoodies I have along. Rain gear and hats in my small day pack, extra shoes packed in one of the main packs, the other clothing easily fits into a 15 - 18L dry bag, compresses down, and goes in one of the main packs. The sleeping pants, one t-shirt, one pair socks, and one hoodie always remaining in the tent and dry for comfort at night. With t-shirt, long sleeve, hoodie, rain jacket....long johns, pants, rain pants and stocking hat all together, I could be comfortable into the 20°'s if needed. Extremely nice forecast might make for a couple less pieces. |
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rdricker |
2 - switchback pants/shorts (one wet, one dry for camp) 2 - synthetic t-shirts (one day, one camp) 1 - long sleeve synthetic shirt (Columbia are the best) 1 - lightweight full zip fleece (used a North Face) 1 - lightweight rain jacket (Columbia) 2 - pair of synthetic underwear 1 - nylon jogging shorts (I sleep in them without underwear....double as swimwear if you want. 2 - pair of synthetic boot socks 1 - set of synthetic long underwear (never used it) 1 - pair of crocs (wear around camp to let feet dry and stay dry) 1 - bandana 1 - mosquito head net (I think Sea to Summit is the best) 1 - inflatable sleeping pad (Sea to summit)(need for tent and used in hammock to keep mosquitos from biting through) 1 - 30 degree F sleeping bag (Used a North Face coated down last time and liked it) 1 - inflatable pillow (Sea to Summit) This was all that I took and felt that it was plenty. |
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CCBBSpeckled |
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HowardSprague |
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TomT |
This one is priced right for its quality. If dedicated to using only for trips it will last a lifetime. Comes with a stuff sack. Patagonia down vest Check out the reviews. |
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hooky |
If you need extra warmth, you can take a 30 degree bag instead of a 40. |
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scotttimm |
nctry: "I'd bring a second pair of pants. Getting to camp cold and wet they and the long johns could come in handy. I remember having to cover my tomatoes on July 4th one year. Be careful about temps in July. The good news is only four days and you can get a pretty accurate weather forecast right before you leave and adjust from there." +1 - I bring along a pair of cheap track-type pants for wearing around camp if not raining or in bed if it is cold. If your pants get soaked (you fall in the water, get caught in the rain, etc) then you are stuck walking around in long underwear with little wind protection. They weigh next to nothing and sure are comfortable around camp. I found a lightweight, super packable thin down coat that stuffs into a bag smaller than a water bottle with same weight as fleece - $19 at COSTCO. That coat gets me through the fall here in NE Iowa and usually overkill in the BWCA. And I agree with the three pair of socks reccomendations. We had record highs in mid-July on our trip this past summer. It must have hit 90 a couple of days, had to cool off in the water. I wore shorts the whole time. |
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Captn Tony |
It got down to the low 40s at night and low 50s during the day. I always pack 2 sets of clothes and a least one set of warm clothes. Also it your rain gear is new make sure it sheds water. I put it on and go stand in the shower to check it out. |
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2NDpaddlers |
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walllee |
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BnD |
campnfish: "Fleece jacket in july seems excessive, and bulky, September i would say bring it, not july. I would ditch the long underwear bottoms and bring a long underwear top and a long sleeve shirt to double up in place of fleece, save some room. 3 pair of socks works great in the fall, in july socks dry fast, so i would never bring more than 3, one for wetfoot, one for not, and i leave a pair in my hammock. " +1 I was going to post a similar comment but, you covered it. Fleece is bulky and relatively heavy. Use a short sleeve plus long sleeve shirt plus rain gear if it happens to be unseasonably cold. It’s 4 days, watch the weather forecast and leave it behind. |
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schweady |
A microfleece, like my Wintergreen full-zip hoodie is definitely not bulky and has been with me on a dozen or more summer trips, no matter the month. That, and my fleece winter beanie, are often welcome layers on chilly summer nights. |
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cowdoc |
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mastertangler |
You also should always have a down type jacket. Mine packs to the size of two fists. I am no fan of Frogg Toggs. But whatever you decide on it needs be bullet proof. One pair of pants (Railriders) and one pair of shorts. I am a huge fan of Under Armour heat max underwear which I often wear in camp getting out of my pants which are often wet and dirty. They are rather pricey but very comfortable and when it does get cold they are astonishingly effective. Go very large on the bottoms if you pull the trigger. Do not order these on line but rather keep trying them on in store or you will be sorry as your normal size will be to tight. I am also quite fond of fleece fingerless gloves. I tend to sleep with them on and in the morning mosquito onslaught they offer excellent protection while still able to do all the normal tasks. Here I am wearing Under Armour Heat Gear and Original bug suit which is a fine all purpose garment. The beanie is North Face, another article of clothing I wouldn't go without. Socks are Darn tough and the shoes are Astral Brewer's kayaking shoe (the ultimate camp shoe). |
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Bulldogge62 |
AmarilloJim: "A little excessive for my liking but maybe my definition of dirty and stinky is different than yours."2 pair of underwear for a trip less than week is excessive for me. We're going for 14 days in September and I'm bringing 2 pair. |
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overthehill |
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nctry |
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mfl1776 |
Will also make sure I pack gloves - probably work-type gloves to double as camp-duty and warmth. And will look into a pair of better quality of long johns - probably lighter weight. As to my final item on the list - the bandanna - I highly recommend it to anyone who doesn't already carry at least one. This is something I picked up from the bushcraft crowd. I wore it around my neck the whole trip and used it for a million different things. (Plus it makes me feel like a tough guy when I wear it bandit style over the mouth.) And a clean one can be used for first aid purposes if things take a nasty turn. I'm a first aid instructor and one of the videos we use from the American Heart Association shows the guy using about three bandanas to secure a splint. But three is probably excessive. |
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mfl1776 |
Banksiana: "mfl1776: " You're right - your feet do get wet pretty quick. I guess I didn't care for the feeling of putting on wet socks first thing in the morning. But to save space it's probably worth it. |
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mfl1776 |
SevenofNine: "Remove the long johns at your own peril is what I say. I wouldn't do it. I had a coworker leave a mid July trip because it was unseasonably cold and his wife was miserable. Yes, I will have work-type gloves that can be used for warmth as well. |
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boonie |
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SevenofNine |
If looking for new long johns I would consider merino wool from Minus 33. I have no data to back up this statement but I think wool pound for pound is warmer than synthetics. |
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FOG51 |
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OldFingers57 |
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mags459 |
Mags |
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treehorn |
Personally, I like clean underwear - I always overpack on that. |
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jfinn |
#1 Forcast can suck. Be prepared to suffer or not. Your choice if dropping equipment based on forecast. Many have chimed in......I would ask, long johns of synthetic material? I use some poly pro's that come in under 8oz for top and bottom total. Sometimes they are used and sometimes not. Rolled up and tucked into sleep gear. Fleece jackets are heavy. I am cold in the AM, almost year round. I like a 100 wt fleece pullover and a lightweight puffy. I have used the puffy on most tips...including June and Aug. 8.7 oz for pure comfort on those not so steamy mornings. I've got a few pics of my girls over the years in their puffys. They only trip in summer. 2-3 pair of socks- 1 wool for wet footing (1 they will get wet, sucks to put on, but then it doesn't) 1 pair simple lightweight running socks for camp or two if I think it might rain and keep a pair with my sleeping gear. I would not bring extra pants. I bring a light pair of shorts as a second "pant" |
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sns |
Part of this depends on your sleep system. If you have a nice pad and quilt/bag and do not need to add any warmth from clothing, then OK...but if there is a chance you would want to augment your sleep system, well...factor that in! And the one situation I - personally - might want one more layer for...hanging out in the evening when the temperature drops. Everyone is different, but for a couple hours with temps in the 40's or 50's in the evening where I am not moving, I need my rain gear, a fleece layer (top & bottom), possibly a puffy jacket and a base layer. And a fleece hat. For sure a hat! And a hot cider + 151. I am indeed a man most wimpy. |
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mastertangler |
I think not! Well, maybe just a bit. Like you, I don't do cold real well. I used to clean my ice fishing hole with bare hands but now I need a wee little sweater in the movie theatre. Brrrrrr. Probably has something to do with living in Florida during the winter months. I'm with you, a knit watchmans hat is a must have article, I also like fleece fingerless gloves. |
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Bushman |
I once did a fly in to North Ontario with a forecast of 74-80 degrees all week, no rain in the second week of August. It was 90+ the first two days and by the end it was rain, fog and 55 degrees. I am hitting the BW same time frame, August 12 and I am bringing a swimsuit and a hoodie but no long johns. Like others have said I will use long pants and rain gear if it gets that cold. Bandannas are the best from face protection, hat, to forgetting TP. Convertible pants are great and this year I am trying the bug free shirts. We will see. I will try them out at home and most likely soak them in permethrin anyways. I am also bringing a head net for skeeter portages. Lightweight leather gloves for fire-wooding and general camp stuff. I've been using Frogg Toggs for several years. They aren't the best but they have gotten me through several days worth of rain. I do tend to get wet at the waist and on top of the thighs where my hands sit. I will replace them eventually, just have a few other things taking priority as far as gear goes. |
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MarshallPrime |
This bag almost NEVER gets used except 3 trips ago (June 10th I think) it was cold and a guy slipped into the water on a portage so when we got to camp he wore my stuff until his dried out in a couple days. He was pretty cold. The list looks solid to me. I also use my rain jacket as a outer laying in the mornings/evenings so I can cut down one long sleeve item. Also helps with bugs, which never seem as bad once we leave the outfitters. I have never used gloves on my trips. EVER. I take them when I remember but for me they just dont get used. |
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Abbey |
I know some (most?) disagree, but I just wear Chacos in the canoe and wet foot anytime between Memorial Day and Labor Day. One pair of warm socks go under the Chacos in the evening, and one pair of thin liner socks in case I need a bug layer. |
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Spartan2 |
We always took silk long underwear for sleeping. WinterSilks lightweight long johns and either mockneck or turtle. Very, very lightweight, packs into almost nothing. Warm enough for summer, June and September. Feels very good in a sleeping bag, and doesn't stink either. Wool socks an absolute must any time of year. I wouldn't wear anything else in my 'real life' either. :-) |
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Gaidin53 |
I know it’s been said but if you are cold put on layers then rain pants and jacket and if still cold put on the life vest. Shoulder seasons will require more gear and definitely fleece jackets. 1 pair of work gloves for picking up hot pots, and protecting when sawing wood is a must have item in my opinion. I’m also a huge advocate of ankle high draining boots for wet foot portaging. I personally can’t imagine canoeing without boots and made sure everyone in my family had the right boots for our trip this year. Northern Tier High Adventure gear list is well suited to Minimalist canoe tripping. Northern Tier Packing list. Keep in mind gear list things like tent, tarp and other items are a separate list |