Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Trip Planning Forum :: 2 Man or Single Carry
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boonie |
Like the others said, almost everybody (except single portagers) double portages and single carries the canoe. You should shoot for that too - it will open new possibilities for you. It is actually easier to single carry. Learn the proper technique for picking up the canoe. It is balanced right on top of your shoulders when you single carry. You should have 4 loads (2 each) to double portage. The canoe is one load, and there should be three packs. Very minimal loose items as others said. Even if the three packs each weighed as much as the canoe, that's not too bad. |
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nofish |
Also looking at how you break up the portages it looks like you've got 4 packs or enough loose gear to require 2 people to make 2 trips for gear plus a 3rd for the the 2 man canoe carry. Thats adding a lot of extra mileage to your trip. Figure out how to consolidate gear into 3 packs and eliminate all lose gear. Then one person makes 2 trips (a pack and a canoe) then the other person takes 2 trips each with a pack. Then you'll have eliminated a 1/2 mile of walking based on your example. |
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billconner |
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montanapaddler |
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campnfish |
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4keys |
Now we, or should I say my husband, carries the canoe himself. Much easier, even if he has a small pack on. Back When we still used a heavy canoe we found if we left the stern on the ground, lifted the bow end up over my head where I held it while my husband slid under to the yoke. With the lighter canoe he doesn't need my help, but i don't know your ages etc and you may find it easier. So yes, single carry. We usually make 2 trips across the portage. Canoe and small pack, 2 large packs, and a food pack (for 2 people). The fishing poles are bdb'd to the canoe. We use a lightweight tube to protect them. The net gets hooked on the pack. Sometimes the paddles are strapped to the canoe, sometimes I carry them with the food pack. |
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4keys |
campnfish: "I seen two carry a canoe this last summer on a decent sized portage, maybe 100-120, i was stunned, did not seem easy at all. Carry overs and 20 rods, i can see that, but anything more and i just feel like you could push someone right over and twist an ankle." We passed a couple of 20 year old guys doing 2 man carry on a 400 rod portage that was pretty rocky in places. They had a lot of stuff hanging off their packs too, swinging as they walked. |
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rayljr1 |
The Canoe we use belongs to my friend. We have gone now for 6 of the last 7 years. He used to single carry the canoe, but since we have been going, it has been double carry. We are actually quite good at it. I have never tried the single carry. Maybe I will practice it some this year before we go. Thanks for all the feedback! |
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Savage Voyageur |
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Grandma L |
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bwcadan |
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cyclones30 |
We tend to single portage, taking everything in one shot unless it's one of those super short ones. Otherwise we'd do 1.5 if we eventually can't, so everyone walks the equivalent of down and back. I'll save the double portaging for trips with kids or when we're older. Triple portaging seems like it would greatly cut your ability to get places with typical portages. |
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Canoeit |
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Blatz |
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newguy |
They looked miserable. |
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deepdish71 |
billconner: "Justifiable two man carry. Around 300 pounds iirc. 8 person. I’d still try a solo carry :) |
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Ausable |
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Northwoodsman |
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rayljr1 |
We use a Kevlar canoe that is pretty light, about 44lbs. In the past, we usually 2 man carry the canoe through the portages. So a 1/4 mile portage results in: 1. Carry Canoe 1/4 mile 2. Walk back 1/4 mile 3. Carry first load 1/4 mile 4. Walk back 1/4 mile 5. Carry 2nd load 1/4 mile 6. Paddle on...... As you can see, a 1/4 mile portage results in 1 1/4 mile of walking, which starts to take up a good amount of time. The amount of gear and weight isn't a real issue, it is just the time. Thus, we have possibly limited ourselves to places to base camp. And, to complicate it, we don't stay on lakes (or typically enter) where there are outfitters on the lakes (avoiding crowds). We have worked on lightening our packs considerably over the years, but there just does not seem to be any good way to reduce them enough to minimize any further. Do you think we should try a single carry for the canoe? Also, how do you who fish, handle your poles when portaging? |
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WonderMonkey |
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deadriver |
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schuetpa |
Single carry is not really that bad. I assume your canoe as a yoke give it a try. Sometimes you might need help getting the canoe on your shoulders but they move fairly easy. Depending on group it can be difficult to single portage everything. If you are bringing kids or older folks you have to be minimalists then which is a bummer for kids. I have been 1.5 portaging things lately. Me and another book it on ahead with packs and canoes and then head back to get more gear. Women and kids just single portage it and take their time. I have been fine with having the extra gear for the extra portage lately as with kids the extra gear is more needed. |
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lindylair |
Almost everyone on this forum single carries their canoe and would highly advise against double carrying in most cases. If your canoe has a proper portage yoke it will actually be easier to single carry it, especially at 44 lbs. I would also venture to say that most of us double portage, where each person takes a load across, returns empty handed(and get a better look at your surroundings, take photos, relax) and takes a second load across. I would try not to have any loose items other than paddles or PFD's, everything should go in a pack. So in theory there could be a maximum of two gear packs and a food pack per canoe, and sometimes gear can even be fit in one large pack depending on time of year and tripping style. Fishing gear can be lashed into the canoe using rope, bungee cords or my preference, large sturdy rubberized twist ties called TwistEze...available at many stores. If you are light packers you might even have a gear pack, a food pack and a smaller miscellaneous pack that could be carried by the person carrying the canoe if they are comfortable with that. That, then, makes it a 1.5 portage with only one person having to go back a second time. If you do not view the portages as the "enemy" but rather a chance to stretch your legs and enjoy the views in the woods, your trip takes on a different feel. Many people on this forum talk about loving that walk back empty handed for a way to really see their surroundings. While portaging gear you are likely to be focused on the ground and your footing and may not get to enjoy your surroundings. The only exception for us on the one person carry would be a very short portage, like less than 10 rods that is a good level path around an obstacle like a small rapids...occasionally we will just pick up both ends of the canoe and walk it across on that one. Otherwise...single carrying is much easier. |
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BobDobbs |
Not sure what physical shape you are in, but the hardest part of the single carry is getting the boat up on your shoulders. A good way to practice at home is to lift a sheet of plywood overhead. Be careful and start slow, because this really hits your rotator cuff muscles. If you have a decent portage pack, that can actually make the carry easier, as it gives the canoe yoke something to rest on. |
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deepdish71 |
Blatz: "3 packs will work for almost all trips. keep everything in the packs. Don't have loose stuff. The only thing in your hands during a portage should be your paddles. 2 trips. 1st trip a canoe for one person and a pack for the other person. Next trip each guy grabs a pack. 1/4 mile should be very doable all at once for a 44 lbs canoe. I would not 2 person carry the canoe" I agree with this 100% No loose items to deal with, everything goes in a pack or is tied to the canoe. We take our PFDs off and buckle them along with the paddles to our packs. We have been using two 5 gal buckets with gamma lids for food (works ok for 1 week). Wife takes the light pack and both buckets, and I take the heavy pack and the canoe in one single trip. Only walk the distance one time, taking a break if needed. If we had an extra pack to bring we can do a double portage if needed. We would probably just bring 2 extra packs in that case and lighten the load of all, since we would be going across the portage anyway or I would not carry the heavy pack and canoe together and just bring 3 packs. Last trip was a basecamp and we double portaged in, and single portaged out by repacking an empty pack where our extra food and consumables were. |
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Grandma L |
rayljr1: "Some great advice here. I started canoe trips back in the 1960's when we carried heavy Grumman canoes. On portages we stowed the paddles in the bow and tied in other small equipment. I was then 5'4'' and weighed 145 pounds. I single portaged that "gun boat" on many trips with MANY portages. If this grandma could do it - you surely can. |
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andym |
BTW, our current portaging pattern is I carry the canoe and a day pack while my wife has a big pack and hand carries her day pack. I then go back for the other big pack. Paddles, maps, and PFDs get strapped into the canoe. |