Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Trip Planning Forum :: Timberjay Article
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Blatz |
adam: "Lets not confuse an editorial with an article or truth or good, or we would have an unvaccinated population dodging deadly diseases and alien fire. :) Right On |
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CdnRanger |
EDITORIAL: BWCAW reservations Many, including private contractors, played a role in the recent misfire See link https://www.timberjay.com/stories/editorial-bwcaw-reservations,14853 |
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ZenMaste |
ellahallely: "Yes the article points out that Forest service employees were taking the heat for their superiors and the private contractors. Government employees have to start standing up to their superiors and say this won't work and is wrong. " That is not normally how it works in any type of work environment. The executives make the decision, the supervisors relay to their employees and find a way to implement, then the employees sometimes just have to plug their noses and do the work, even if they don't necessarily agree with the strategy (assuming no laws are being broken. That would obviously change things.) |
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voyager |
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Pinetree |
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mjmkjun |
quote from the article: "Forest Service folks rarely try to defend themselves, even in cases, like the current one, over which they had little control. Let’s be clear— no one on the Superior National Forest was involved in creating the online system that failed on Jan. 30. The coding that goes into the creation of such online systems might as well be ancient hieroglyphics to the vast majority of us, and that includes the folks who work on the Superior." |
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ellahallely |
Whos pays the bill? Us or the contractor. This cost the businesses of Northern Minnesota a lot of time and Money!!! Many people have already switched their plans from a bwca trip to another location. |
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adam |
We will never know the truth as with almost everything that is washed through the big Washingtonmachine. That said the local FS folks aren't to blame and generally helpless. The bwca is small potato's. Maybe there is some complicit behavior, but who is to blame that in the face of the dictatorship the has embroiled the Dept of Interior. Our complaints need to rest at the steps of our elect. |
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Pinetree |
adam: "Lets not confuse an editorial with an article or truth or good, or we would have an unvaccinated population dodging deadly diseases and alien fire. :) Very well said, Most of the local foresters have less say than you or I often do. Bottom line is lets work together as overall the forest service and others have done to make it a better place. Life and changes has ups and downs a little corrections. Think of it in today's world. Here we are talking about an enjoyable recreational experience in today's world. We are very lucky. Note: So many people miss a opportunity to visit the BWCA in the winter, be it day trip or winter camping. So much fun. Permits are automatic. |
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LindenTree |
adam: " I have worked for the federal government for nearly 30 years firefighting. I was a little wheel retiring as a GS-09, we pawns took alot of heat for things that were way above our pay grade. We shrugged it off when the public got in our faces. I worked three years for the Superior NF in Isabella, when I first arrived there I took alot of heat, mostly from loggers, when I left I was buddies with almost everyone, they realized that I had little say and was just doing my job. I know I'm splitting hairs here Adam, but the Superior NF is under the Dept of Agriculture not the Interior Dept. The Dept of Agriculture who oversees the USFS was in my opinion a top heavy dept, managing everythig from food safety to farm programs, and beyond. The Interior Dept where I spent the majority of my time was more streamlined. I always felt (even as a pawn) that my voice had some clout in local district decisions at the Dept of the Interior, I felt I had little to no say in the Dept of Argiculture. |