Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Trip Planning Forum :: Securing gear in a fiberglass canoe
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bobbernumber3 |
4keys: "I'm wondering if anyone who does tie gear in has ever swamped-as in flipped the canoe upside down- and what did you do after? Could you get the canoe upright with packs still tied in, did you cut them out, did the canoe stay floating and you just hung on till you got to shore??? We always hear about people who swamp, their packs fall out, and float for a few hours, but never hear from those who tie gear in. Loose gear floating down Saganagons helped a bush pilot spot us in the water. Hanging on to floating packs helped our buoyancy. My reasons to not tie... and why waste the time? |
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4keys |
yellowcanoe: "4keys: "I'm wondering if anyone who does tie gear in has ever swamped-as in flipped the canoe upside down- and what did you do after? Could you get the canoe upright with packs still tied in, did you cut them out, did the canoe stay floating and you just hung on till you got to shore??? We always hear about people who swamp, their packs fall out, and float for a few hours, but never hear from those who tie gear in. Maybe your experience will help convince my husband not to tie in. We are usually out there by ourselves so there would be even less chance of us righting a loaded flipped canoe. |
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Wables |
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Banksiana |
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Mitchum |
add thwarts? Add some sort of d-ring patch to inside of hull? If so, what’s the preferred method for doing this on a composite boat? Rivet a tie down or pad eye to the underside of the aluminum gunwale? |
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bobbernumber3 |
Mitchum: "If I do decide to lash gear, should I: Don't bother lashing. But do add a thwart to your canoe. A friend has a snakey Kevlar with only a yoke. We call it the "devil canoe" for the number of times it has tipped. The canoe without a thwart twists oddly in rough water and waves and makes it very difficult to maintain balance. |
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minnmike |
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jwartman59 |
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bobbernumber3 |
jwartman59: "I tie my gear in anytime I’m on big water. D rings work well. I agree, most bwca lakes don’t require this precaution. A few do. " You confused me here... so why do you tie? |
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Blatz |
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Mitchum |
Should I: add thwarts? Add some sort of d-patch to inside of hull” Rivet a tie down or pad eye to the underside of the aluminum gunwale? Strap things to the yoke and not worry about it? |
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Jackfish |
Tying down? As in tying your packs into the canoe so they stay with the boat if you capsize? Don't do that. Just put your packs in the canoe and go. Having to tie and untie your packs at every portage is a pain in the rear and an unnecessary time waster. If you have packs lined with large contractor-type plastic garbage bags or you have other similar "dry bags", etc., they'll float until next week. Besides, if you dump in the middle of the lake and your packs are tied to the canoe, you'll be fighting your packs, the canoe and the water as you try to untie them, get your canoe uprighted and get the packs back in. Keep the open side up and don't paddle whitewater or take other similar risks in the wilderness and you'll be fine. |
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nofish |
If you use a good liner in your packs they'll float a long time so you'll have time to right your canoe and paddle after all your packs. A friend of mine capsized on Brule maybe 5-6 years ago. He was with his wife and kids so he got the family safe and left the packs to deal with later. It was later in the day so he had to wait until the next day to go look for his packs. He found them all still floating the next day with nothing wet inside them. |
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Hank |
I bought my Mohawk Blazer 16' fiberglass canoe in the mid-1990s and it is the only tandem canoe I own. It has been on many trips in the BWCA. I've take my wife and two kids in it (when the kids were small). It is a fantastic canoe for tripping. It is, of course, heavier than Kevlar. It is slower than a boat made for strictly lake tripping. It is fairly wide and has rocker. It is still a fine canoe for both rivers and lakes. I don't tie my gear. Sometimes I will use a Bungie Dealee Bob or two to fasten my rods under the stern seat if the waves are very high. You could also tie them to the rear painter attachment. The canoe is still sold by Classfive Canoes. |
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AmarilloJim |
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Mitchum |
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jwartman59 |
bobbernumber3: "jwartman59: "I tie my gear in anytime I’m on big water. D rings work well. I agree, most bwca lakes don’t require this precaution. A few do. " i'm old school, i still do stuff the way my dad and old boy scout troop master taught me. i paddle in the bwca as if i was on an arctic trip. even though it is highly unlikely i'll ever do another expedition type trip i like to practice those skills. i have a lot of experience swamping in whitewater, most always from water coming into the boat from waves. very rarely from striking a rock and flipping. either way having the gear lashed in benefits the canoe by displacing water. the canoe is much easier to handle without all of the water splashing back and forth. same thing on a bwca lake. if for some reason you swamp a canoe with packs lashed in is going to be much easier to handle than a boat full of water, with the packs secured and watertight it is even possible to paddle a swamped canoe. forget the stuff about righting a swamped canoe is deep water and reentering the canoe. that's something for russian gymnasts. lashing in gear should only take a minute or two, again i don't typically do this, but if i feel the need to kneel then it's time to lash the gear. |
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walllee |
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heavylunch |
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4keys |
My husband is also old school and ties everything on big water, and won't listen to my arguments not to tie. |
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nctry |
Mitchum: "If I do decide to lash gear, should I: Again... welcome! I had a guy setting up a canoe for me replace some rivets in the gunnels with stainless ones and in doing found some clips or whatever with them on the inside I could put in bungee dealee Scott’s (haha). Scott makes those things. I could untie the one end slip it through and retie so it was well attached and it was a great way to carry fishing rods and some other loose stuff. |
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yellowcanoe |
4keys: "I'm wondering if anyone who does tie gear in has ever swamped-as in flipped the canoe upside down- and what did you do after? Could you get the canoe upright with packs still tied in, did you cut them out, did the canoe stay floating and you just hung on till you got to shore??? We always hear about people who swamp, their packs fall out, and float for a few hours, but never hear from those who tie gear in. Yes.. It was impossible to get back over and do a boat over boat. I have dumped with loose packs and was able to retrieve them all and empty the boat mid lake and reenter.. The only time I will tie now if something is loose and heavy and will sink. Everything is in dry bags so the sinkables are limited.. On Superior it was the loose camp chair that sunk. Rivers are a different monkey.. Loose stuff is just about impossible to get back so tieing in snugly is essential.. But in the BWCA where you are doing many portages a day..just try tying in and see how frustrating it is. |