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07/17/2020 08:16AM |
sedges: "I really would not recommend it, but it is certainly possible. Very risky even in a kayak.
All that said. I had the opportunity to paddle a 36 foot Montreal Canoe from Windigo to Grand Portage in 1972. I was on the island on a research visit and ran into these Wheaton College folks that paddle out, backpack for 10 days and paddle back.
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Honestly for me, that’s the picture of the year!
IF someone asked me what I would like to do more than anything in the world, I would like to be seated in that canoe paddling back from Isle Royal.
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07/17/2020 11:17AM |
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07/11/2024 05:54AM |
brp: "I’m kind of surprised at all the “no’s” coming from this group of adventurers. If you prepare fully, and have a motorized support boat, I don’t see a problem with attempting it in good weather.
People swim the English Channel, run from Alaska to Florida, and walk around the world.
Perhaps a leg powered kayak, like a Hobie Mirage drive, would allow for faster speeds, better endurance, more precise steering, and free hands for navigation and fueling. "
No one attempts the Channel, biking across the country or long distance anythings without training, sometimes years of training, to do these things. People forget the Lake Superior is not really a lake but is better classified as a sea, a very cold sea. Check out the film Nyad, a great example of preparation combined with visionary thinking - need both.
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07/14/2020 01:31PM |
1. Its like 26 miles from Grand Portage to Windigo. In the best conditions you are looking at 8 hours paddling, could be more. On the big lake a lot can change in 8 hours. Sometime you have a nice calm day but are dealing with big swells from yesterdays weather. Any breeze or waves are going to add time. Even if you have a following wind you will be working hard to prevent broaching in the troughs.
2. If your friend with the sailboat is sailing, maintaining proximity to you will be interesting. If they are motoring it would be easier. It could take a long time for them to get to you if you swamp even with the motor. 15-20 minutes in Lake Superior could kill you.
3. While kayaks mighty be better for surviving rough condition if they are solo you will lose the advantage of two motors pushing one boat. Tandem kayak would be better.
4, Watch the park website for changes in park operations. If the surge continues there might be closures again.
5. You need to be totally flexible about the the crossing schedule. Don't do it unless you have a perfect window. Absolutely do not schedule a day and take a risk on marginal or changing weather.
All that said. I had the opportunity to paddle a 36 foot Montreal Canoe from Windigo to Grand Portage in 1972. I was on the island on a research visit and ran into these Wheaton College folks that paddle out, backpack for 10 days and paddle back. They had two of their group flown off the island due to illness and were short handed. So I paddle with them and came back the next day on the ferry. The day started with big swells left over from overnight storms. The seas calmed as the day went on. We left at 6AM and were at the Grand Portage dock at about 1PM. We took very few breaks as the weather report kept getting modified as we traveled.
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07/14/2020 04:56PM |
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07/14/2020 07:59PM |
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07/10/2024 10:48AM |
pallenrupp:I can only imagine how you would keep the nose of your kayak pointed at the optimal direction all the time. Even if you varied by a few degrees left and right, it would add miles to your trip. Now try that in fog. "
Following a straight course in currents, fog and/or wind is SOP for experienced sea kayakers. It is done with the aid of a (usually deck-mounted) compass:
Silva 58 Kayak
Varying "a few degrees left and right" while underway is a telltale sign of an inexperienced paddler, be it in a kayak or a canoe. In other words, somebody who has no damn business being out on Gitche Gumee.
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07/14/2020 06:08PM |
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07/10/2024 10:56AM |
chessie: "Back in about '86, fresh out of the Army, I took my first trip to Isle Royale (in late October, no less). Mr. Severtson was running the ferry concession at that time, out of Grand Portage. I had many a great conversation with him before and after my trip. One of the topics he brought up was folks kayaking to the island. I recall him saying that 'they out to fix a tin pie plate to their boats.' The large boats/ships can't see kayakers and cannot detect them on their radar. Another potential hazard to consider. "
There are actually ways to deal with this. This is probably the only time that wearing a "tin foil hat" demonstrates superior cognition. :-)
Radar Reflectors and Sea Kayak Visibility
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07/17/2024 10:21AM |
brp: "I’m kind of surprised at all the “no’s” coming from this group of adventurers. If you prepare fully, and have a motorized support boat, I don’t see a problem with attempting it in good weather.
People swim the English Channel, run from Alaska to Florida, and walk around the world.
Perhaps a leg powered kayak, like a Hobie Mirage drive, would allow for faster speeds, better endurance, more precise steering, and free hands for navigation and fueling. "
Not sure if this a joke or not. The Hobie Mirage drive, at least from my knowledge only works on a sit on top kayak.
I think this paddle can totally be done, has been done, and is likely done by some every year, but the right gear and knowledge of the lake is certianly required. The right gear - Sea kayak with a spray skirt or surfski, along with a number of other things. (i'm not the expert here). Wouldn't hurt to be in shape either. Participating in the two harbors kayak festival over the years - the marathon race is 18 miles and the winners are nicely under the three hour mark.
Living in Duluth and Two Harbors for the last 30 years and spending alot of time near and on the lake, it can change quick and the size of the waves and the power of the lake are not to be underestimated. Paddling kayaks around the apostle islands, a switch of the wind, reflection waves and even as a fairly competent paddler...i've been quite uneasy at times. I personally would not attempt this paddle, but like i said, people do it.
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07/08/2024 11:48PM |
I'm an open water swimmer, and what I noticed if there was a high wind, you ended up tacking to get to your location, and this doubled the distance you had to swim. I can only imagine how you would keep the nose of your kayak pointed at the optimal direction all the time. Even if you varied by a few degrees left and right, it would add miles to your trip. Now try that in fog.
What if your GPS battery dies? You need some backup. If you are not familiar with navigating the high seas, this is another big problem - you might pass by the island by miles!
Not bad for an AI -bot, eh? So there ya have it. : Cheers!
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07/15/2020 02:27AM |
It looks tempting from GP Harbor (not 22+ miles straight line away-??- much closer-- yeah right- it's a 28 mile ride with a canoe if you're good with a compass). But Isle Royale is located - predomiant wind wise- from GP as being a death magnet for anyone that tries and a quartering wind from the NE or SW spins up.
The natural force of Isle Royale and MN, ONT shoreline will funnel water through faster than any wind speed from the NE or SW - especially close to land. Consider it perhaps a minor "Coriolis effect" in the water, but that's the last thing you want. Anyone that has made it from GP to Isle Royale - (in a CANOE) is lucky and very skilled. I wanna know who doubled back (did not take a shuttle). That says a lot.
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07/15/2020 10:40AM |
I could not imagine that. Better not fall asleep while a 1,000 footer goes by.
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07/15/2020 11:25AM |
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07/15/2020 08:34AM |
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07/15/2020 08:53AM |
Kayaking to Isle Royale is only recommended for expert level kayakers and takes all day. Very few people have done it. Definitely have your watercraft ferried to Isle Royale if you're not an expert level kayaker.
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08/24/2020 07:29AM |
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08/23/2020 11:11PM |
BeaV: "abe- I love the idea! I have gazed at the island, or where the island should be, while at Grand Portage fort or while canoeing the Superior shoreline near there, many times. But I always had the wrong canoe with me so I wisely stayed near shore.
If you have the talent, the right experience, the knowledge of the finer points of Lake Superior, and the right equipment...then go for it. If not, then don't.
A tandem team in a Wenonah Spirit, even with a spray skirt or deck is not the right equipment, in my opinion. In a boat like that, a covered deck is secondary to stability. In freshly-whipped up waves, capsize would get you before water intrusion would.
The right sea kayak would be the right equipment, but if you don't already own and use one, then you likely will fail in the talent and experience categories.
A support boat will help but I wouldn't rely on one to save you. A support boat would still have to have the maneuverability and skill to pluck you from the water if something blows up...and the support boat may need to run to safe harbor itself because of the "finer points of Lake Superior". I like to rely on myself when it's my life at stake.
I still like the idea...just make sure you have the four things I mentioned above in the second paragraph nailed down tight before you do it. Oh...and I forgot the 5th thing that I'm feeling right now as I think of myself out there- a little fear.
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So I bought a 17ft current Designs sea kayak with spray skirt and set out with my cousin from grand portage at about 0930. The rest of our group left in a 25 ft boat at about 1030. They caught up with us about 8 mi out at about 1200 at which point we towed the kayaks. I think it most certainly would have been possible to kayak the entire way but our companion boat would have had to slow down a fair amount to keep pace with us. It was really ideal weather for the entire trip. The first day going over we had maybe 5 knot headwind and 1-2 ft waves. Berries were everywhere over there and our neighbors at our first campsite shared several 1 in thick lake trout fillets with us ( those michiganders sure are generous). My cousin and I got a chance to freedive down to the American shipwreck in the north pass. I would definitely consider doing it again... For sure in the late summer when water temps are warmer and weather is generally calmer. Also a handheld VHF radio would be a really good idea.
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07/15/2020 12:31PM |
Mike
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07/15/2020 03:23PM |
I always recall a story of a young guy kayaking the Apostles who overturned when bad weather suddenly showed up. He had a wet suit with him but it was a nice day when he started out so he kept it in the kayak and just wore his PFD. After turning over, he got cold and took off his PFD to get his wet suit on. When they found his body he only had half of his wet suit on.
Respect cold water and respect big waves - and Superior has them both.
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07/15/2020 01:01PM |
sedges: "All that said. I had the opportunity to paddle a 36 foot Montreal Canoe from Windigo to Grand Portage in 1972. I was on the island on a research visit and ran into these Wheaton College folks that paddle out, backpack for 10 days and paddle back. They had two of their group flown off the island due to illness and were short handed. So I paddle with them and came back the next day on the ferry. The day started with big swells left over from overnight storms. The seas calmed as the day went on. We left at 6AM and were at the Grand Portage dock at about 1PM. We took very few breaks as the weather report kept getting modified as we traveled. "
That must have been a really cool experience. I'd love to try something like that.
And I agree that the OP's idea is not a good one.
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07/15/2020 02:06PM |
Voyageur canoe trips
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07/15/2020 03:52PM |
Abe: "Has anybody ever canoed to Isle Royale from Minnesota? I am planning a trip there potentially this early August and will have an experienced friend sailing alongside so will not be totally alone. I have one spray deck completed for a 17 ft Wenonah spirit but am considering trying to find a couple sea kayaks instead.
Thanks in advance! "
Do you have any experience canoeing/kayaking on Lake Superior? If no, then you should not canoe/kayak to Isle Royale.
If yes, well then you wouldn't be asking this question.
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07/15/2020 05:12PM |
If you have the talent, the right experience, the knowledge of the finer points of Lake Superior, and the right equipment...then go for it. If not, then don't.
A tandem team in a Wenonah Spirit, even with a spray skirt or deck is not the right equipment, in my opinion. In a boat like that, a covered deck is secondary to stability. In freshly-whipped up waves, capsize would get you before water intrusion would.
The right sea kayak would be the right equipment, but if you don't already own and use one, then you likely will fail in the talent and experience categories.
A support boat will help but I wouldn't rely on one to save you. A support boat would still have to have the maneuverability and skill to pluck you from the water if something blows up...and the support boat may need to run to safe harbor itself because of the "finer points of Lake Superior". I like to rely on myself when it's my life at stake.
I still like the idea...just make sure you have the four things I mentioned above in the second paragraph nailed down tight before you do it. Oh...and I forgot the 5th thing that I'm feeling right now as I think of myself out there- a little fear.
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07/16/2020 08:23AM |
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08/24/2020 09:56PM |
In the morning we paddled along the shore and set camp at an abandoned small lighthouse. Spent 5 days exploring the island and paddled back in a calm lake and paddled the last 1/2? mile toward the sound of waves washing the shore as fog obscured seeing shore till you were there.
Paddled and camped with permissions in the Susie islands using a skirted Bell Northwoods..
My friends just paddled from the Grand Portage to the Wisconsin Bois Brule following the shore in a Northstar B17.
Paddling the lake takes patience to wait for when it allows you to paddle it. If you are on a schedule it is something to avoid. You can't force Lake Superior to your schedule.
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07/16/2020 11:26AM |
An interesting note though is that the journey from Grand Portage to Isle Royale has been done on a 16' stand up paddleboard. A north shore guide paddled to Isle Royale and back in 2015.
SUP Crossing to Isle Royale
Again, this is not an endorsement of the idea to canoe there. It sounds like the paddle boarder was a sponsored athlete and had a great weather window.
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07/10/2024 10:52PM |
People swim the English Channel, run from Alaska to Florida, and walk around the world.
Perhaps a leg powered kayak, like a Hobie Mirage drive, would allow for faster speeds, better endurance, more precise steering, and free hands for navigation and fueling.
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07/17/2024 08:55PM |
MN_Lindsey: "After watching NYAD on Netflix, I wonder if someone was properly sponsored, talented and equipped if they could swim to Isle Royale? "
I don't know if that particular route has been done, but various other major crossings of all of the Great Lakes have been. One swim was from Two Rivers, WI to Ludington, MI, about 48 miles of open water.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2023/07/20/swimmers-across-lake-michigan/70433854007/
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07/19/2024 01:07AM |
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07/16/2020 07:55AM |
Do it in five years after practicing, researching, planning, and working up to it. Search the site to find Beav's credentials.
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07/16/2020 08:02AM |
sedges: "For porkeater,
Voyageur canoe trips "
Nice. I hadn't heard of that. Something to add to the bucket list. Thank you.
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07/16/2020 08:03AM |
BTW, would you be tacking along with the sailboat? LOL
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07/16/2020 07:27AM |
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07/14/2020 08:56AM |
Thanks in advance!
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07/14/2020 09:10AM |
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07/14/2020 02:30PM |