Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Trip Planning Forum :: Moose lake loop-Over ambitious?
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ditkaroo |
We want to cover some ground but also be able to have a bit of time to explore. We've done a handful of trips but this will definitely be the longest, paddle wise. Wondering about all of your first thoughts on this route, any site seeing/fishing lakes? Is it overambitious to plan on an average of 10 miles of paddling per day? What is the point of getting a tow from EP25 to the edge of motorized areas? Isnt that only ~300 yards? |
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timatkn |
Just a comment on the trip. I don’t see it as over ambitious, some will, but to each their own. If you enjoy traveling it won’t be bad. When you travel a lot you get in a groove of efficiency on portages and breaking/setting up camp. If you get windbound or stay an extra day you can usually do a mega day to make up for it. Now if that doesn’t sound fun…it may be ambitious :) The tow will take you most of the way if not all the way to your first portage. Will save 1-2 hours depending on how fast of a paddler you are and the wind conditions. I think your x marks the BWCA boundary not the motorized boundary? I’d take the tow if you are asking…to me you aren’t really in the BWCA until you get out of the motor zone. T |
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billconner |
So seems fine and doable. If you wanted a little more variety on return, drop down into Snowbank from Vers on way out and there's an easy portage to Moose. |
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Kendis |
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HappyHuskies |
Kendis: "My hat is off to anyone who paddles 6 mph." I've decided to edit my previous response, as after reflection I did not like my tone. In a nut shell I agree with you. Wish I could paddle 6 mph. |
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ditkaroo |
sns: "The tow will take you most of the way if not all the way to your first portage. Will save 1-2 hours depending on how fast of a paddler you are and the wind conditions. I think your x marks the BWCA boundary not the motorized boundary? I’d take the tow if you are asking…to me you aren’t really in the BWCA until you get out of the motor zone." sns: "The tow from Moose to the Sucker/Birch portage saves exactly 6 miles..." Ahh I didnt realize all of Moose was motor accessible.. Yeah seems it would be worth it. |
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timatkn |
Kendis: "My hat is off to anyone who paddles 6 mph." LOL Paddling speed has been discussed on here before many times. Typically for the first day of a trip we are slower, towards the end of the trip we are faster. When you factor in wind/conditions…a good general estimate on paddling speed is 3 mph…sometimes you are faster sometimes slower. Of course some people can really haul a$$ but most over estimate their travel speed. If it is 6 miles to the portage then it will take you 2 hours as a reasonable estimate. If you go faster…that will be awesome…but start your trip out with realistic lower expectation and you’d rather adjust positively than negatively is my motto. T |
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timatkn |
HappyHuskies: "Kendis: "My hat is off to anyone who paddles 6 mph." I read your post as 1.5 hours (but I can see how it might of looked like 1 hour as well)…that’s 4 mph in the canoe. It is totally possible…just, I wouldn’t count on that as an average speed for someone else or all the time. I averaged almost 5 mph for 5 miles before…I can tell you my wife wasn’t happy with me though…we needed to meet our pickup at a certain time and I underestimated the distance. 3 mph…is a good staying married travel speed :) I can tell you a lot of people can’t average 3 mph either… T |
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GeneH |
Currently paddling a 12 ft/ 32 lb OT Pack (kind slow design) and unloaded, solo, double paddle I'll do about 2 mph steady, or 5 mph, downwind for a mile or so before I'm gassed. Route checking, I look at the maps, click on each portage to get detail info and see what someone else has said about that portage to get an idea of difficulty / time. For example on one long, difficult portage one of the users here said it took their team about an hour. So I figure solo it'll take me twice as long. That's going to be my standard for distance/time. If I have the links right, just taking a quick look at a portage close to your starting point: https://bwca.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=maps.entrydetail&locid=25&zoom=14&size=500&ft=e&locname=Moose%20Lake https://bwca.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=maps.portage_info&entityid=439&elat=48.0344860483&elon=-91.4166438978 |
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ditkaroo |
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TaylorRN |
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billconner |
I'm pro paddle Moose. Never been bothered by motor traffic, and kind of nice to get a couple hours of paddling in to start. |
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cyclones30 |
Got the first tow that morning from LaTourells to the super short Birch portage and we were paddling on Knife by about 10am. We were at Thunder Point around noon and we were at camp mid-way up the north arm of Knife in another hour or two. From there the trip to Cherry was pretty short and scenic and easy via Amoeber and Topaz. We spent another night on the South Arm of Knife and eventually went from the big island on SAK back to Birch on our 2nd to last day in about half the day. So not the exact last portion of your route but if the weather is good your plan is fine. |
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tumblehome |
3mph all day long. 10 mile days are easy without a strong headwind However, a 20 mile day is tough even for a seasoned traveler if there are portages and wind in the way. If the OP and his fiance want to move each day except one layover day and are looking to put on some miles then it's is a very doable route. A little lazy even. Sure beats sitting around camp all day wishing you were on the water. Tom |