Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Trip Planning Forum :: LLC illegal motorboating?
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BeaV |
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Kendis |
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timatkn |
tumblehome: " I am very sure it was the Spanish flu epidemic of 1918-1920… Chief Blackstone traveled to Ely/Winton by snowshoe in the middle of the winter for help, was able to radio Canadian officials for help, but then passed away on Agnes on the way back. No one came to help until spring and the village was decimated. The Canadian government used it as an excuse to force relocate them to Lac La Croix, since they had cancelled their reservation rights to Kawa Bay a couple of years before. A formal apology was given in 1991 by the Canadian government. I agree with your sentiments/perspective though. T |
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timatkn |
Some of it is ignorance some of it is defiance. Some local First Nation guides do not necessarily recognize international or park boundaries on their ancestral lands… someone many years ago posted a link to a news story where the FS tried to stop it and took the case to Federal Court where it was thrown out. I’ve also heard of Americans renting boats on the Canadian side and ignorantly or purposely going into the BWCAW side. I would be surprised if this happened all the time or would ruin a trip, but yes it happens. T |
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cyclones30 |
I know one canadian said they took that route to avoid the bigger water on a windy day. Not sure anything was done about it |
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RodPortage |
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cyclones30 |
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tumblehome |
Okay, with that. The First Nation people have lived on that land long, long before we showed up and chopped up the area with invisible lines. They have almost no economy and while I used to detest rule breakers and motorboats, I now sympathize with them and will turn away from complaining about their attempt to live on their land. There also used to be an Indian Village on Kawnipi but small Pox wiped them out. Tom |
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wxce1260 |
tumblehome: "Last time I was on LLC about 12 years ago, a First Nation motorboat came across the border with a few fishing clients. There is a reef known for amazing fishing that we found by chance long before this event. The First Nation boat parked right on top of it. This is a great perspective. Thanks for posting. |
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wanderingfromkansas |
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tumblehome |
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tumblehome |
It took me a few tries to get it. Wait til the admins see this. Then it’s Curtains. |
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cyclones30 |
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Kendis |
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tumblehome |
timatkn: "tumblehome: " Thank you for the correction. I didn't know the details. Dying g on lake Agnes in the middle of winter is no way to go. Tom |
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tumblehome |
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timatkn |
cyclones30: "The ones I saw were shuttles to Bottle portage and back. So no First Nations nor were they fishing, had canoes on racks and people hauling " The two groups that do shuttles are Anderson’s and Zups…they display their business prominently on their boats? I have a hard time believing either violated the border because it would be easy to catch them but if you saw their boats call’em out. If you didn’t see their logos then it was probably First Nations doing a shuttle. You can get them out of the village or through Cambells. Also there is no advantage to crossing the border anywhere near Bottle with a motor…bottle portage is far into Canadian waters…almost a mile from the BWCA, why would they be in the BWCA? Of course the portage is open to American’s too…there isn’t any advantage to any tow to cross into the BWCA to do a Bottle or any Quetico tow…the most direct route from Crane Lake to any Quetico entry is entirely through Canadian waters. As I look at a map of the border to cross into the BWCA would add time and distance to any Quetico tow. I am not saying you are wrong but it doesn’t make sense? During the pandemic the tows couldn’t make it to Bottle for awhile because the only way to get there was using Canadian water? T |