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DTKRO5700
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A new member here--thanks for the information. I'm heading out in the coming week through Entry PT 16. What does LIS stand for?
TY-DTKRO
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DTKRO5700
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We did the Oyster, Ge-Be-On-E-Quet, La Croix Loop
We stayed on Oyster (west side), North Side of LLC (the furthest West campsite by Packet Creek, the Bay on the South End of LLC (just north of Agnes) and then on Nina Moose.
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Reke0402
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Which lake did you camp on?
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Reke0402
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It sounds like the water is slowly dropping, and EP 16 opened backup yesterday is that correct?
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egknuti
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HighnDry: "Yes and you'd be paddling upstream against them with some dangerous eddy pools and cross currents, I'd imagine! Good call."
I’ve made it to Shell and will exit LIS tomorrow. Talked to two guys who entered LIS yesterday. They said portages were partially underwater with swift current but not necessarily dangerous. They did mention that the group ahead of them flipped their canoe as soon as they put in. Oh, and sorry for pwibwca(posting while in the bwca), but a lot of info here and elsewhere has helped me take a safer route.
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pastorjsackett
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WOW. That video from Moose Track really shows how the wet spring weather impacted travel. Stunning and scary.
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egknuti
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MrEarl56: "My group, which includes two children (8 and 12) and two novice canoeists, has a 13-August put-in at LIS with a planned take-out at EP 16. Been to the BWCAW 5 times, and to this general area twice. What I'm reading here has me a bit freaked out about our trip. For those with more knowledge than me, can we expect conditions to return to "normal" by 8/13?
It's funny, I asked our guiding service in January about 2024 water levels and he said that it was very low but hopefully it would be a wet spring. Guess we got that!"
My guess is that water levels will remain above normal for the season. I would not worry unless we get another 8 inches of rain.
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Rosd
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I have called, left messages and sent a message on messenger but no response. We talked a group out of paddling in at the entry… I really hope no one goes in.
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EmmaMorgan
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It looks like the Forest Service has now added #16 to the list of temporarily closed EPs Forest Service Press Release
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Ross
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Completely impassable. Check out our video on Moose Track Adventures Facebook. It was very dangerous getting out yesterday. Not sure how the levels will be in the 4th… but some portages will be completely washed out when the water recedes.
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airmorse
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Ross: "Completely impassable. Check out our video on Moose Track Adventures Facebook. It was very dangerous getting out yesterday. Not sure how the levels will be in the 4th… but some portages will be completely washed out when the water recedes. "
Wow!!! Watched your video. We exited ep16 1 week ago today. Can't imagine. I've been on flooded moving water portages b4 but not like that.
Glad you made it out safely.
Is the Forest Service making rounds at effected areas letting campers know that portages are like that.
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Reke0402
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Between talking with the rangers and firsthand accounts from people who left this EP the water is high but not dangerous like it was 3 weeks ago. Practice caution around portages since they are muddy and rocks are everywhere.
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MrEarl56
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My group, which includes two children (8 and 12) and two novice canoeists, has a 13-August put-in at LIS with a planned take-out at EP 16. Been to the BWCAW 5 times, and to this general area twice. What I'm reading here has me a bit freaked out about our trip. For those with more knowledge than me, can we expect conditions to return to "normal" by 8/13?
It's funny, I asked our guiding service in January about 2024 water levels and he said that it was very low but hopefully it would be a wet spring. Guess we got that!
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HighnDry
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Little Indian Sioux.
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egknuti
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Reke0402: "It sounds like the water is slowly dropping, and EP 16 opened backup yesterday is that correct?"
That’s correct. Nevertheless, if you’re entering there, use extreme caution.
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DTKRO5700
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Just got back from our trip--water came down over the last week by ~6 inches. there were parts of the river we had to get out to get around the bends and/or rocks. (first bend specifically)
Water was very manageable going out and into Nina Moose lake.
There was a canoe that was turned over and pinned to a huge just north of the first portage (bottom of the waterfall) . I am not sure what happened but it was surprising as the water was down when we where coming out and it was not flipped over when we initially went in. I hope everyone is ok.
Bugs are really bad in the portages--be prepared.
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HighnDry
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Wow, that's a lot of water if it completely covers and obscures the portages, not to mention the rapids/falls that are beneath them! Those are conditions one would normally not want to paddle in until the rivers subside.
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Reke0402
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We leave for our trip to EP16 over the 4th, curious how high is the river? Its been years since we have been there and when we were it was a low year. With the high water are any of the portages passable now or is it not to those level?
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kajsa
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Does anyone have any info on EP 8, for Moose River South? I'm hoping water levels are down by July 10....
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egknuti
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I’m on Oyster right now. I talked with the forest service. I told them I was exiting tomorrow via moose river. He told no one is prevented from exiting but to expect white water conditions. I’m thinking of taking the LIS out on Thursday instead.
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egknuti
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I just exited LIS this morning. It doesn’t look like the river has dropped much since last week. If you’re entering LIS or Moose River anytime soon, use extreme caution. The top of Elm portage is flooded and you need to be extremely aware of the current(stay to the left). The usual landing at the entry point is also flooded, but safe from the current-fairly easy loading or unloading. BUT the current is extremely fast once on the river. Don’t attempt to paddle out into the current, turn quickly down stream. Entry Point #14
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HeidiHideout
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Plz help me understand the water
flow. The moose River flows north. The curtain falls is flowing south. Where does this meet and change????
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bennojr
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HeidiHideout: "Plz help me understand the water
flow. The moose River flows north. The curtain falls is flowing south. Where does this meet and change????
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Curtain Falls empties into Iron in a west direction. Not far from there Rebecca Falls (Canada) empties out Iron Lake flowing north.
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iCallitMaize
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How do the levels compare to June 2022? We were in LLC and water was up at the very least 10’.
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HighnDry
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Yes and you'd be paddling upstream against them with some dangerous eddy pools and cross currents, I'd imagine! Good call.
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HighnDry
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bennojr: "HeidiHideout: "Plz help me understand the water
flow. The moose River flows north. The curtain falls is flowing south. Where does this meet and change????
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Curtain Falls empties into Iron in a west direction. Not far from there Rebecca Falls (Canada) empties out Iron Lake flowing north. "
I'll add to this that Iron is also connected to Bottle which empties into LLC if I remember correctly. Moose river north eventually feeds Agnes which dumps into the Boulder River which flows into Boulder Bay -- part of LLC. This is where they meet.
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