Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Quetico Forum :: Question on camping fees
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vnzill |
Then if not entering at a station, have a RABC permit for all in our group that needs one along with fishing licenses and passports. Ugh. I dislike having to figure exact days on a wilderness trip along with all the paperwork. I so prefer how the BWCA is setup with just an entry fee. I think it is now clear in my mind. |
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timatkn |
If you stay beyond your permit time and get caught, regardless of your intentions I can guarantee you will get a fine. I don't think the person that got the advice to stay longer and pay for extra days on your way out is sound advice by whatever park official gave it. I wouldn't trust that. Then again your chances of getting pulled over are minimal, but there is a chance. If you email the park Superintendent they may give you special exception, but you would need to have a copy of that exception on you while in the park. T |
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vnzill |
My understanding is that my original bwca permit would then allow me to camp within the bwca when I enter back from Canada. |
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Jackfish |
If you come out early, you could stop at a ranger station and get a refund. If you stay longer, you should stop at a ranger station and pay the additional fees. I would think you could pay the additional fees over the phone, too. Not sure if they'd believe you if you tried to get a refund after you already got home. Personally, I'd consider it a donation to the park and forget about it. |
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vnzill |
quote GraniteCliffs: "Your first question, I think, has to do with your entry day. If you get a BW permit for your Q entry date and then leave the BW to enter the Q technically your BW permit is no longer valid. What I have done in your situation is to book a BW permit called "from Canada" and use the date I expect to cross back into the US. Probably not a big deal either way but would be the correct way to do it, I believe. I saw this on the sticky thread... " If your trip starts in Canada and you exit via the BWCA, and you are camping in the BWCA, you must possess a valid BWCA entry point permit #71 which allows overnight camping in the BWCA accessed from Canada. If you camp overnight in the BWCA, travel to Quetico, and return to camp again in the US, the same permit that was issued to you in the beginning of your trip is still valid for the last US leg of your trip." It was with that info that I thought to book one for the entry day and then whenever I returned to the US side would hardly matter for the US permit. Maybe a day use permit for entry day then one for 71 would be best. |
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Pinetree |
I know if your trip is less than the original $100 you will get credit put back into your credit card account,unless they have changed policy in the last year. |
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billconner |
quote vnzill: "quote GraniteCliffs: "Your first question, I think, has to do with your entry day. If you get a BW permit for your Q entry date and then leave the BW to enter the Q technically your BW permit is no longer valid. What I have done in your situation is to book a BW permit called "from Canada" and use the date I expect to cross back into the US. Probably not a big deal either way but would be the correct way to do it, I believe. Based on correspondence with the USFS, I believe that what you refer to is incorrect. If you leave the BWCA the permit is invalid. You'll find the a lot of sources that say otherwise, like the sticky, as well as outfitters and maybe even some USFS rangers, but the official rule I received in writing a few years ago says otherwise. Now, the possibilities of getting caught are so slim that they must rival winning a lotto. Do carry a blank overnight paddle permit so you have it if you want to paddle out through BWCA on same day. |
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GraniteCliffs |
Your second question is how many days to you pay for in the Q. I think most everyone does their best to be as precise as possible as to our exit day and then pay for those days. Canadian rangers have told me on two different occasions that they would understand if someone was late leaving by a day if there had been a big wind that prevents you from moving. If you leave early you will not get a refund barring an emergency. Even the emergency requires a written appeal to the Park with some sort of documentation as to why you had to leave. Happened to me once and the Park was good about returning fees for our group----although I had to submit an Ely Emergency Room summary to prove I really did have a medical issue. Finally, I assume you have the RABC, permit, fishing license, passport, etc. all figured out. Geez, sounds complicated. But well worth it. |
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Ho Ho |
On the question about the BW permit - I was always under the impression that a BW permit is void when you go into Quetico and you need a new one to return to and camp in the BW, but some years ago a member here called a ranger station and was told that is not true, the original overnight camping permit is still valid. If I recall correctly, the regulations say an overnight BW permit is valid until you leave "the wilderness." I had always thought that meant "the BWCA Wilderness" so it would be void if you go into Quetico. But of course it could also encompass "the wilderness" in Quetico (which is officially designated wilderness under Ontario law) and still be valid when you have gone to Quetico. My guess is that you might get different answers if you ask different Superior National Forest officials. My suggestion is that you call the ranger station responsible for the area you entering in, ask the question, and then rely on the answer. If they tell you the permit is still valid after going into Quetico, make a note of the when you had the conversation and who you talked to so you have that information if you were checked. |