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goatroti |
dschult2: "To be honest I don't even know if I want to travel to Canada this year, at least not in my car. I can just see some angry Canadian saying "How dare you Americans come up here and bring us Covid!". And then proceed to slash my tires:-)" We won't slash your tires, we'll just jack you up in the Walmart parking lot while you're in getting supplies and steal your tires. |
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TrailZen |
goatroti: "dschult2: "To be honest I don't even know if I want to travel to Canada this year, at least not in my car. I can just see some angry Canadian saying "How dare you Americans come up here and bring us Covid!". And then proceed to slash my tires:-)" Shouldn't that be in a Canadian Superstore parking lot??? TZ |
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LarryS48 |
24kGold: "I work with a guy who is training for the winter Olympics in the sport of curling. In fact, he was on the Switzerland team that took the bronze last time. Now he is a U.S citizen and training for the U.S team. While playing in Minnesota last week, he spoke with some who seem to believe (because of what they've heard from Canadian curlers) that the border would be open by September. It may be provisional for vaccinated people, but the talk is encouraging. Yes, we'll see. However, it seems like a possibility. I've long contended that we will have to see large numbers of people vaccinated before the border opens. The US got off to a much quicker start with vaccinations than Canada and should be in good shape by fall. This assumes that the number of people who do not get vaccinated is not too high and there are no variants that break out in a serious way from the vaccines. The Canadian vaccination program is picking up steam. The government is still saying that all Canadians should be able to have one dose by Canada Day (July 1). They estimate that second doses could be given by fall. If that happens, I think it is possible the border will open then. The border closure has been renewed on the 21st of the month for the last year. I am personally hoping that it reopens by Aug. 22. That may be just a bit overly optimistic but one can hope. I am not sure what will happen with regard to vaccine passports. It seems like a way to speed the opening of the border. However, there are many that oppose the notion. If I had to guess, I'd say that there is a substantial overlap between those that are vaccine hesitant and those that oppose vaccine passports. |
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24kGold |
Keeping my fingers crossed and poised for a last-minute trip at the end of the season. Terry |
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HighnDry |
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jhb8426 |
thistlekicker: " Lawmakers in Minnesota, Canada search for border solutions They say they'll press leaders for solutions to Northwest Angle travel. " It seems to me that article was more about opening the borders to border residents that regularly cross the border to do business or visit friends and relatives on either side of the border. Didn't seem to address general travel. Some mention of the issues with the Northwest Angle residents. |
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LarryS48 |
24kGold: "Rather than a formal vaccine passport, maybe they will accept a copy of a vaccination certificate along with a passport for the RABC. Maybe a vaccine certificate would work, but governments usually want something more secure. |
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billconner |
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BnD |
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goatroti |
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Wendigo41 |
Not good. Also it sounds like all of Ontario's school will be closed for the rest of the school year, including the private ones. I don't see the border opening before schools. |
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goatroti |
Now if we could only get some good news from Texas and Florida and other big March Break hotspots. Living up here in Canada, I and many others are glad the border is closed. As for vaccination passposts, well we saw the ads for fake IDs on this website on the weekend. How long before we see ads for fake vaccination passports? Keep the border closed. |
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yellowcanoe |
dschult2: "To be honest I don't even know if I want to travel to Canada this year, at least not in my car. I can just see some angry Canadian saying "How dare you Americans come up here and bring us Covid!". And then proceed to slash my tires:-)" they are having a terrible time controlling the third wave even with the border closed. They wont be vaccinating 60-65s till the end of May. |
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goatroti |
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user0317 |
dschult2: "To be honest I don't even know if I want to travel to Canada this year, at least not in my car. I can just see some angry Canadian saying "How dare you Americans come up here and bring us Covid!". And then proceed to slash my tires:-)" But if they slash your tires, you won't be able to leave! |
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billconner |
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Argo |
Wendigo41: " Canada halting AstraZeneca vaccine shots for people 55 and younger " So no-one in that age cohort - at least in Ontario - is anywhere close to being vaccinated anyway. There's some of course - in certain risk and professional categories that are but they're outliers. They already suspended AZ's vaccine use to people over 65 a while back. The the current age cohort to receive a dose is 60-64 for this vaccine in Ontario. Everyone older than 64 are currently getting one Pfizer or Moderna dose. In most cases for the general public, dose number two isn't scheduled to come for at least four months. The perception amongst many up here with respect to Canada's relationship with AZ vaccine is that we are dumpster-diving - scrounging through the world's discarded items. Also that we are "liberal" on safety standards with the ever narrowing limitations on eligible age cohorts that always leave a door open somewhere for this particular vaccine. And, for all vaccines, that we are freelancing on efficacy standards by making assumptions about delaying the second dose that are not in lock-step with the pharma companies' own research. Ironically there's a distinct resignation about it all though. A collective shrug that this is as good as it's going to get for the moment so let's just get on with what we have to work with. I also concur with this sentiment. |
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Argo |
yellowcanoe: "dschult2: "To be honest I don't even know if I want to travel to Canada this year, at least not in my car. I can just see some angry Canadian saying "How dare you Americans come up here and bring us Covid!". And then proceed to slash my tires:-)" Depends where you live. They are vaccinating 60-64 years of age with the AstraZeneca vaccine around Toronto (at least). Given perceived risks, it is not being offered to anyone older than that. |
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billconner |
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BigDadE |
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sedges |
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timatkn |
I looked up Minnesota’s numbers and Canada’s and we have more people fully vaccinated than the entire country of Canada. That data may be off as MN gives daily updates and I could only find data as of last Friday for Canada, but still it is shocking. Luckily, Canadian’s are laid back...there’d be riots here :) with those results. From some of the posts I’ve read, they seem to be a little less than three months behind the US, even though the two countries essentially started vaccinations at the same time. T |
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RC |
"According to social media posts by government officials, the two countries have agreed to extend the restrictions on non-essential travel at their land borders by another month, lasting until at least March 21." Border closing extended until March 21 (at least) |
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timatkn |
billconner: "Vaccine is made in US and not in Canada. We have it, they don't. Pretty simple really." They are 40th in the world...many, if not most of the countries that are ahead of them have the same issues. Although I am sure your conjecture has some truth. Has to be more complicated than that... What’s suspicious is in 30 seconds I can find the vaccination rate of any US state (percentage of vaccines administered per the total amount delivered) I cannot find that data for Canada...maybe someone else can...it just doesn’t seem to be readily available) According to the BBC the another factor is where Canada decided to buy vaccine. “ That's partly because the country decided to invest in vaccines from European factories, afraid that the US, under former president Donald Trump, would issue export bans. Instead European factories are struggling with supply and recently it has been the EU that has been threatening those bans.” There was actually opportunity early on for Canada to purchase vaccines from US factories because Trump failed to order the appropriate amount of doses for the US, but Biden has it all locked up now... right or wrong. So the issue seems multifactorial. Government errors/bad guesses, more rural population, supply chain, efficiency of delivery? Probably more issues than that...Sucks T |
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billconner |
Trip planning thread |
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goatroti |
straighthairedcurly: "Then there is this: CDC warns against travel to Canada " Someone above predicated a theory on the notion that this is not so. |
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yellowcanoe |
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deerfoot |
billconner: "I was talking to Bill Swift (Swift Canoes) today and his take from Canada is a ways into 2022." This pretty much the guess I am getting from Canadian friends. |
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Argo |
Don't discount the notion that this virus may just fizzle without warning. The Spanish flu did that in under two years without a vaccine. I doubt anybody in the middle of that plague saw it ending so abruptly. |
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HighnDry |
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deerfoot |
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RC |
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Wendigo41 |
goatroti: "Why do you use the BBC as a source? The Brits frankly couldn't give a rat's pucker about Canada, and their coverage of Canada is cursory, limited and ultimately useless. I go to BBC news for news about the rest of the world. For coverage of my home and native land they aren't even worth a glance. Goatroti in your opinion why is Canada's vaccination rate similar to 3rd world countries? Government? Its health care system? Other? I appreciate your thoughts...Eh. Canadians flying to Florida for COVID-19 vaccines |
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Argo |
billconner: "Vaccine is made in US and not in Canada. We have it, they don't. Pretty simple really." That's a bit of an understatement. You are implying it is natural circumstances which are to blame. If it were, our government wouldn't be assiduously blaming everyone, but themselves. They are, through this behaviour, acknowledging this is a major debacle and simultaneously admitting their own incompetence. |
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billconner |
Feel free to make it political. |
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Jackfish |
billconner: "Feel free to make it political." Let's not. This has been a good discussion to this point. Let's keep it that way. |
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timatkn |
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Argo |
billconner: "I just stated facts. No implications. Fewer are vaccinated in Canada because they have received less vaccine. Which begs the question why. |
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billconner |
Argo: "billconner: "I just stated facts. No implications. Fewer are vaccinated in Canada because they have received less vaccine. The article you linked was basic conservative against liberal. The article made this political. |
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timatkn |
billconner: "Argo: "billconner: "I just stated facts. No implications. Fewer are vaccinated in Canada because they have received less vaccine. That article is an op Ed piece so it would have some bias...but it answers my question better than your answer did. A simplistic...we make the vaccine...doesn’t answer how Canada went on to be the one of the worst industrialized nations in getting vaccinated.. The article linked to is old is actually nicer to Trudeau than the BBC is now. There was no plan in Canada to make vaccines until recently. The Government was lying all along about it. Canada could of ordered from the US but the prime minister’s bias got in the way. Isn’t it ironic how 2 months ago we were all complaining about the ineptitude of the US on our COVID policy (and it was inept!), how it was potentially holding back the border opening...and now it looks like what will actually hold us all back from being able to enter Canada this year is the ineptitude of THEIR Government. It isn’t funny. It’s frustrating! The EU just now TODAY put a 6 week vaccine export ban in place...so the vaccine situation in Canada could get a lot worse! T |
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cburton103 |
timatkn: "billconner: "Argo: "billconner: "I just stated facts. No implications. Fewer are vaccinated in Canada because they have received less vaccine. I think that has been one of the frustrating things about the last year. Politics and politicians have mattered a lot more in our day to day lives and planning for the future than probably almost anyone anywhere on the political spectrum would like, for better or worse. A great thing about this forum has always been our shared love of paddling, and specifically in Quetico. It’s frustrating when politicians on either/both sides of the border get in the way of that, even when it could be considered beneficial to do so. The good news is there is a lot of pressure on politicians and various systems to get people vaccinated efficiently and get the worst part of this Covid mess behind us. I’m confident that even if Canada is slower than ideal that the pace will pick up soon. Probably not soon enough for me to enter Quetico at the Boot Lake portage in early June though, unfortunately. |
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LL Lake Guy |
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goatroti |
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timatkn |
billconner: "I posted the link to worldwide vaccination rates because someone said they couldn't find them. Not an op ed piece, just some statistics." No one asked for world wide vaccination rates...you posted it...then made it political with a comment about “free market”...I did ask what Canada’s vaccination rate was, I apologize it wasn’t clear I wanted to know their efficiency...how quickly they got doses out per the amount of vaccinations available. It is a moot point now. They have so little a high rate would be meaningless but I was trying to be nice and rate them on what they were doing with what they had...as I investigated further reading BBC articles is when I started being horrified by their current administrations efforts and folly. I wasn’t trying to be political. I’ll rip on anyone not doing a good job. Rating someone’s performance based on if they’re liberal or conservative is ignorant in my mind. Rate them on results... I’ll stand by my words...the border opening up sooner or later is up to Canada and how good or bad they manage the pandemic. It won’t be the US holding it back. 4 months ago I would of laughed at that :) T |
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goatroti |
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OneMatch |
goatroti: " couldn't give a rat's pucker" Never heard that phrase, love it! Gonna have to use it soon! |
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timatkn |
goatroti: "Why do you use the BBC as a source? The Brits frankly couldn't give a rat's pucker about Canada, and their coverage of Canada is cursory, limited and ultimately useless. I go to BBC news for news about the rest of the world. For coverage of my home and native land they aren't even worth a glance. So what is your local news saying? I picked the BBC because I have no idea what are legitimate news sources in Canada...So what has the BBC said that is wrong? It always makes me suspicious that people are biased when they belittle the source but can’t refute the content... Meanwhile in Minnesota, anyone who wants a vaccine can now get one... T |
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billconner |
timatkn: "billconner: "I posted the link to worldwide vaccination rates because someone said they couldn't find them. Not an op ed piece, just some statistics." I believe you asked above when you posted: "What’s suspicious is in 30 seconds I can find the vaccination rate of any US state (percentage of vaccines administered per the total amount delivered) I cannot find that data for Canada...maybe someone else can...it just doesn’t seem to be readily available)" so I posted the link. I only continued in the direction which you and Argo began, then stopped posting at the request of others. I only replied now because you called me a liar, which as the quote shows, is not so. |
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Wendigo41 |
timatkn: "goatroti: "Why do you use the BBC as a source? The Brits frankly couldn't give a rat's pucker about Canada, and their coverage of Canada is cursory, limited and ultimately useless. I go to BBC news for news about the rest of the world. For coverage of my home and native land they aren't even worth a glance. In the states the BBC is the closest thing to unbias news, sure it leans to the left. However it is far more neutral then ABC,NBC,CBS,PBS,CNN all leaning to the far left. On the other hand you have FOX on the right. I also go the the BBC for more of a neutral source of news. Al Jazeera was a good source for world news and unbias coverage however it is hard to find someone that carriers it. I help run 3 different fly in fishing camps in Ontario and truly hope the border open soon. At this rate it might not be until 2022. |
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Argo |
Like every US state, each province has their own delivery system. There is no single answer as to how that is going in Canada because every provincial government is unique. There have been some issues in Ontario regarding the management of this file but the real issue is the procurement of vaccine. |
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timatkn |
billconner: "timatkn: "billconner: "I posted the link to worldwide vaccination rates because someone said they couldn't find them. Not an op ed piece, just some statistics." So go to the link you posted and tell me the answer to my question you reposted? I’ll save ya the time...you can’t. It is a link to world wide vaccination rates—-which NOBODY asked for. I saw nothing on efficiency of delivery. For that you need to know how many doses were delivered vs. how many administered. If that is in your link I couldn’t find it. In Minnesota, for example, you get weekly if not daily data on this...although I didn’t scour the internet it is much harder to find for our Northern brothers. Also what was the purpose of the comment “free market”? That seems to sound Political? I was actually trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn’t understand my question...I don’t think you are a liar...it just seems like you are too focused on the politics of right/left. I don’t see this as right/left more as poor management vs good. I’ve obviously pissed you off and for that I am truly sorry. We all want the border to open, we all want to go back to Quetico...we all want the same thing. I am just frustrated it is looking like we will go another season with no border opening. T |
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timatkn |
I think the only thing we can do now in the states is encourage everyone to get vaccinated as fast as possible and hopefully Biden will start shipping more vaccine north. AstaZeneca still hasn’t filed with the US for approval...we are sitting on over 30 million doses that experts are surmising we will never need to use...that would literally be a shot in arm to help the Canadians get back on track. My wishful thinking to get the border open sooner. T |
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24kGold |
Opinions are like bellybuttons. Get your fingers out of your lint traps and be ready to go to Quetico. Terry |
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HighnDry |
OneMatch: "goatroti: " couldn't give a rat's pucker" I liked that one as well! :) |
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billconner |
US to Canada More Canada detail - how many doses delivered by and administered: Canada Covid tracker |
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timatkn |
billconner: "US sends 1.5 m doses to Canada Thank you that was what I was looking for...unfortunately they have so few doses those numbers aren’t comparable anymore...but they look good/efficient none the less. The 1.5 Million doses is a good start. I actually posted that already but we have somewhere between 30-60 million we may never need...I was hoping we would send them to Canada but it appears we are preparing now to send them to the EU or 3rd world countries. I’d like to see them go straight to Canada than the EU but I do get helping countries like Mexico or Brazil for example. T |
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BnD |
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timatkn |
goatroti: "Heres' some good news for Canadians.... Good news about vaccines in Canada Sorry goatroti...as much I agree with you about some of these American behaviors it will have no affect on the border opening. The ones you are afraid of will either be gone, immune, or vaccinated before the border ever opens. It appears to be a numbers game now in Canada and the numbers still don’t look good. Although I am more hopeful than 5 days ago. I hope proof of vaccination will change that but that appears to be political suicide for The current Canadian administration so although it makes sense and would help Canadian businesses I highly doubt it will happen. As others have said...we are all just guessing :) T |
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tumblehome |
goatroti: "Heres' some good news for Canadians.... Good news about vaccines in Canada In some ways, it might be good to keep the border closed for the sake of Americans keeping Canadians from coming to the US. In Minnesota, ANYONE older than 16 is eligible to get vaccinated. So the tables are turning here and we are on our way for anyone that wants a shot to have one. I’m sure there are many people on both sides of the border that would no longer agree with your sentiment about keeping the border closed. It is now a political football and less and less each day a health decision. I’m not trying to be snarky although it could be construed as such. It’s just that things are not the same as they were two months ago down here. I will be fully vaccinated in a week and I would like to come to Canada and spend money. Why would the tourism industry not want that? |
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goatroti |
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user0317 |
goatroti: "Probably because Canada is not run by the tourism industry, nor does it take it's direction from a small group of paddlers from south of the border who think that there should be an exception for them because they really, really, really want to paddle in a very small corner of Canada. Really? " This reminds me of last year, when Minnesota's governor (Walz) made his first announcement about loosening our original Covid restrictions. Prior to this, nearly everything was shutdown, including the BWCA. I don't remember exactly what restrictions were lifted at the time, but I recall people immediately complaining that he didn't explicitly address their ability to take a canoe trip in the BW during that briefing. If Biden and Trudeau met to discuss border restrictions, I am certain some folks would expect 'canoeing' to make their agenda. |
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tumblehome |
goatroti: "Probably because Canada is not run by the tourism industry, nor does it take it's direction from a small group of paddlers from south of the border who think that there should be an exception for them because they really, really, really want to paddle in a very small corner of Canada. Really? " You completely missed my point. I’m not just talking about me, nor just tourists or paddlers. Really. |
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bobbernumber3 |
HighnDry: "We'll keep hoping but the last projection I saw was for (maybe) 90% vaccination in the US by the Aug 5th....that's with a lot of assumptions on both sides of the border coming true..." The US will be very lucky to break 60% vaccination. A vaccination card may be the next border crossing requirement. |
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timatkn |
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dschult2 |
goatroti: "Probably because Canada is not run by the tourism industry, nor does it take it's direction from a small group of paddlers from south of the border who think that there should be an exception for them because they really, really, really want to paddle in a very small corner of Canada. Really? And this is exactly why I don't want to drive my vehicle to our "neighbors" to the north anytime too soon for fear of having my tires slashed at seeing a license plate from the states:-) P.S. Just funnin' goatroti. Don't blame you guy's for wanting to keep the border closed for now. |
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timatkn |
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goatroti |
dschult2: "goatroti: "Probably because Canada is not run by the tourism industry, nor does it take it's direction from a small group of paddlers from south of the border who think that there should be an exception for them because they really, really, really want to paddle in a very small corner of Canada. Really? I appreciate the humour. Having paddled a lot in Wabakimi with many Americans in the last 15 years, I would love the border to be open. There's nothing better than paddling around with my American pals sharing points of view and different beverages. However, Canada is not keeping the border closed. It is a joint decision. Canada and the US agree to keep the border closed. It is unfortunate that there is a lot of opinion passed around like it is the truth, on both sides, it just clouds the issue. What gets my goat is that some on this thread act and speak like Canada and Quetico are playgrounds, playgrounds that are being denied to them. Sorry, Canada is a sovereign nation and will continue to behave like that through these difficult and novel times. And when conditions have improved both Canada and that other sovereign nation, the US will make a decision that is mutually beneficial and open the border. Till then, opinions will not matter. Not mine ( it never does, really) or anyone else's. |
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MossBack |
Just another opinion. |
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Argo |
billconner: "yellowcanoe: " kiss that trip bye bye " Yet flights from overseas hotspots continue to Toronto unabated. |
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billconner |
yellowcanoe: " kiss that trip bye bye " Looks like Ontario would like to build walls on its borders. Who would of thought it. |
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billconner |
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outsidethebox |
MossBack: " Several years ago I had some direct dealing with the CDC. They are a collection of self serving asses and are extremely political. I have worked with regulatory governmental officials-with our family business. They were always helpful and treated us in a helpful, collegial manner. Your insinuation may be valid. I do wonder how those CDC officials would characterize your behavior. |
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thistlekicker |
billconner: "Meanwhile, parks fill up. Stub hub for campsites " It was only a matter of time before a 3rd party managed to monetize the supply/demand imbalance for recreation reservations. |
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goatroti |
BnD: "Argo: "thistlekicker: " Lawmakers in Minnesota, Canada search for border solutions They say they'll press leaders for solutions to Northwest Angle travel. " Nonsense. |
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BnD |
Argo: "thistlekicker: " Lawmakers in Minnesota, Canada search for border solutions They say they'll press leaders for solutions to Northwest Angle travel. " Absolutely spot and well said IMO. Trudeau enjoys blaming Americans to rally Canadians to him. Oldest political trick in the book. Vilify and blame someone else and unite your people behind you. Like sheep the masses follow. PS Please keep the “essential” supplies coming from the USA. We can’t have any of that slowed or halted. Sheepish grin emoji here. |
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24kGold |
I asked if it was just wishful thinking but he seemed to believe the Canadian curlers were serious due to that they've been hearing in their country. We'll see. Terry |
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24kGold |
I know...it's sad. Terry |
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RC |
More than 46 per cent of Canadians have been vaccinated with at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine as of Tuesday afternoon, putting Canada on track to surpass the U.S. in the proportion of the population vaccinated with one dose this week. Canadian TV News |
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dschult2 |
Border opening |
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LarryS48 |
dschult2: "Most encouraging article I've seen yet. Seems to be credible sources on both sides of the aisle. Of course this would be only be a one way opening but after seeing this I'm very confident in a full opening late summer/ early fall. Think I'm going to start making some plans for a fall trip. These articles keep coming out about Point Roberts, WA. It seems unlikely that there will be a few miles of border open there and the rest of the thousands of miles of border will be closed. It also seems unlikely that the entire border will open because of what is happening in one town. I could be surprised. However, I think it is more realistic to think that the border will open when both countries have very low infection rates and high vaccination rates. I think that might be possible by late summer or fall if: 1. Canada keeps getting vaccines in, 2. Hesitancy doesn’t stall the US vaccination program, 3. A new variant that escapes the vaccines doesn’t appear. |
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billconner |
BigDadE: "So does this mean no entering into the Quetico at all or just no camping? Are folks able to day trip fish into Canada? " I believe Quetico is open to some day uses so if you're entering from Canada, go for it. Its a guess if it will be open for overnight camping this summer for entering from Canada. |
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portagedog09 |
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/21/lawmakers-families-anxious-reopening-canada-mexico-borders/4790165001/ |
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TomT |
Hey Portage Dog, good to have you on this forum. To add a link just click right below the dialogue box on "add a link to this message". |
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HighnDry |
We'll keep hoping but the last projection I saw was for (maybe) 90% vaccination in the US by the Aug 5th....that's with a lot of assumptions on both sides of the border coming true. We'll just all have to continue to be patient. I got my first poke in the arm this weekend so things are progressing here in MN. We're at 25% of population getting at least one shot in the arm. |
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Wendigo41 |
50,000,000 with 2 jabs in the US or about 15% of the population. The state of Minnesota has fully vaccinated 50% more people than the whole Country of Canada. Yet I talked to a guy whos college son is in Cabo Mexico right now with plane loads of kids from Minnesota schools. Hard to figure. Maybe next year...wait that is what I said last year. |
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goatroti |
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billconner |
timatkn: "billconner: "Argo: "billconner: "I just stated facts. No implications. Fewer are vaccinated in Canada because they have received less vaccine. Its true, as the Canada example points out, countries that are more free market oriented have more citizens vaccinated. Vaccination rates |
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timatkn |
billconner: "timatkn: "billconner: "Argo: "billconner: "I just stated facts. No implications. Fewer are vaccinated in Canada because they have received less vaccine. Maybe I am missing your point? But nothing you put in your link has anything to do with free market? Once again...multifactorial...complicated why Canada is one of the worst...has nothing to do with them being a free market. Has to do with a Government that since September had lied to it’s citizens that they were developing vaccine production, made very poor purchase decisions based on bias, poor decisions relying on the EU and abandoning US relations, poor roll out of clinic vaccinations, bad medical infrastructure to support vaccinations, poor decisions on vaccinations(they shut down during Holidays...the list goes on... Just saying frustrated. It seems you are making this Political??? It isn’t Political it just plain poor leadership. As an example one of the arguably worst US Presidents ever IMHO finished with a 34% approval rating...Canada’s Prime Minister is at 36%...That isn’t good company to keep...That isn’t Political it’s a comparison of poor leadership ratings... |
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Argo |
timatkn: "billconner: "timatkn: "billconner: "Argo: "billconner: "I just stated facts. No implications. Fewer are vaccinated in Canada because they have received less vaccine. Tim, you are, by far, missing the primary reason why Canada is at children's table. Trudeau made his big public announcement about Canada's co-development of a vaccine with the Chinese on May 16. By May 19 the deal fizzled. The Canadian public wasn't made aware of this face-plant until early July. Somewhere inside this period of miasma there was obviously scrambling to try and salvage the deal or make plans to consider alternate arrangements with other pharma companies or both. So much lost time... |
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PineKnot |
I would think most of us would agree that we would be careful, if allowed, to take all necessary precautions when it comes to paddling in either country's wilderness..... |
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BonzSF |
Jackfish: "+1billconner: "Feel free to make it political." |
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Wendigo41 |
Trump says coronavirus vaccine possible before Nov. 3 This was in August of 2020. Yet some "experts" where saying a vaccine might not come for years. Sure Trump was hoping people would believe he would get us a vaccine from warp speed and vote for him. On the other hand Kamala Harris says she won’t take it if it has President Trump’s support . Hoping voters would think the Trump vaccine is dangerous and vote for her. Unfortunately to most people are uninformed and have become lemmings to to the crazy left or right. They will vote for someone because they like him or he is a nice guy, not on policy or past performance. It seems many feel Orange guy is bad. Prime Minister "Black Face" doesn't like Orange guy.. so Prime Minister Black Face is good. In all fairness I give the Canadians credit for being able to control its southern border. |
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Argo |
In this entire thread there's been only one other person interested in dissecting the anatomy of the body that will make this decision - and it's not the US government (can we agree on that?). The rest has been, "I think it will be August...I'm guessing 2020...I think Thursday..." a mostly superficial discussion of which I have also participated. My July 1 date was optimistic as I thought the rate of Americans getting vaccinated would be the trigger. We have nothing to fear from the aliens to the south, right? They've all been cleansed of the plague. Now I see Dr. Fauci - who has already been vaccinated - parading around with two masks and still arguing it's not safe to deviate from your pre-vaccination behaviour and routines. Fauci by the way, I would wager is at least recognisable to most Canadians as Theresa Tam if not more so. He is a the de facto global authority on Covid 19. This thing is going to continue for a lot longer now. |
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tumblehome |
Wendigo41: " Canada halting AstraZeneca vaccine shots for people 55 and younger " I have no idea why, but it makes me wonder why Astazenica never applied for permission to use the vaccine in the US. Is it because they feared negative information about their drug? I just don’t know. I do know this: I am reading no good news about Canada, vaccinations, and the possibility of us Yankees getting to come to CA. So bummed. Tom |
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OldGreyGoose |
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Jackfish |
OldGreyGoose: "An outfitter told me yesterday there was a high level meeting and that he expects things to move forward with American access to NW Ontario by July." That would be sa-weet! Maybe a late season trip to Q??? I'm pretty sure the walleyes have been missing me. |
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Argo |
thistlekicker: " Lawmakers in Minnesota, Canada search for border solutions They say they'll press leaders for solutions to Northwest Angle travel. " If that's the meeting Goose was talking about it doesn't really sound all that high level. I believe the best place to get clues about when the border will open will be to look for trends in the tone of stories in the Canadian media like CBC.com. Take a minute every day and scan their news page. The Canadian government will have to message this for a while - perhaps several months. They will plant positive stories in friendly media about the vaccination progress in the US and slowly drip on a reluctant Canadian populace to undo over a year's worth of negative stories about the scary USA and its orgy of Covid. At some point the attitudes will change sufficiently in Canada to make it politically profitable for the prime minister open the border. My theory is predicated on the notion that the leadership in the USA is not an obstacle to getting the border open to non-essential travel. I have always believed that. That condition could always change of course. But it hasn't as of now. |
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LarryS48 |
If vaccine hesitancy remains high in the US and considerably lower in Canada, the Canadians could pass the US not only in percentage with one dose but also in percentage with two doses. That could happen by fall. If that happens we will be back to the pre-vaccination situation where cases are higher in the US than Canada. I think it will take both countries having low infection rates for the border to open. I still think it is possible by the end of summer or fall. However, low vaccination rates or variants that are not well controlled by existing vaccines could screw things up. |