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BearBurrito

04/07/2021 02:35PM

WhiteWolf: "3Ball: "so if we really just have no idea at all, why do we write yet another 40 lines or so?"

If this is directed at me and I assume it is- it's because several people asked to see where I thought I went wrong. Geez- tough crowd here at the end. I admit mistakes - show my errors- and than get hammered on those too? As far as "really no idea at all" - well- your entitled to your own opinion - but I think many on this forum over years would disagree and I really did have an scientific idea based on science and tried to put it into laymens terms. Sorry if that bothers some folks. I'am glad some found it educational in following long term winter weather.
Enjoy the weather - it's the only weather you got.
"

I thoroughly appreciate all the time and effort you put in to help us understand the weather patterns, and where your predictions come from. I honestly don't remember you being wrong on your predictions before, but it happens. Add to that the fact that you were able to own up to being wrong about something, and that makes you a better man than I.

05/24/2020 11:15AM

Thank you
mk

Wally13

04/19/2020 09:32PM

Looks like a Lindy Shadling #7 to me.

BEARnMOOSE

07/20/2023 08:47PM

Pinetree

01/13/2023 08:51PM

Tomcat

12/14/2019 06:08PM

BEARnMOOSE

07/21/2023 05:23AM

fishnfreak

02/15/2020 07:31AM

mderenne: "We are looking at base-camping on Iron Lake for 3-4 nights the beginning of June. Does Iron really fill up quickly? I have read posts that all the campsites can be full. It would make for a really long day if we were unable to find a site on Iron. Does the day of the week matter? Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Matt"

So, you read reports that Iron fills up quick but want to know if Iron fills up quick? How much verification do you need before you are convinced that Iron fills up? So, to save alot of time for others. Iron fills up quick!!!

05/24/2020 11:16AM

Thank you
mk

mjmkjun

06/01/2019 06:37AM

Heard on the news this morning that because cannabis oil sales have skyrocketed the government (FDA) wants to get a share of the pie. Politicians with eyes wide open. Inhale. Hold a moment. Exhale.

Jackfish

02/18/2022 11:01AM

Brother Hunter

10/24/2020 07:23AM

https://www.wintercampingsymposium.com/

Jaywalker

02/19/2021 09:34PM

tumblehome: "This would be a good sticky post even though I hate the place and will never go back. I also suggest everyone stay out! :)"
Is it mostly because of all the poops, or is it the bad fishing?

ForestDuff

02/19/2021 09:49PM

No longer in contention. *wink*

DRob1992

02/05/2022 05:40PM

missmolly: "DRob1992: "Strange how we humans are so attracted to morbidity. I will admit, missmolly, that the story you mentioned peaked my interest. I've been reading up on it for the past 15 minutes on Google. "

It's quite a story, what with the radiation and Yeti speculation and the missing tongue and the Soviet Union's nasty habit of hiding facts. However, if the SUV-sized avalanche is true, that's strange too. Not Yeti-grade strange, but strange.

I once interviewed a guy who had a polar bear stick its head into his tent. He had a massive handgun on his chest and behind that polar bear, he could see other polar bears.

He talked calmly to the bear, saying, "I don't want to die. I don't want you to die. Neither of us have to die if you just leave."

And the bear left.

I commented that nothing would be scarier than that, but he said the wind was far scarier than those bears, as they were circling a major Canadian island and there were times they'd be in massive swells with no place to land and the wind threatening to blow them into the cliffs.

One time, his partner screamed, "How you doin'?!?

That's wild! I think I'd sh*t myself...

And he answered, "I'm xxxing scared!!!""

campnfish

02/07/2022 10:49PM

Double post.

HighnDry

03/27/2020 01:46PM

Just trying to close out the open quotes.

Sconniepaddler

07/21/2023 11:39AM

Our group traveled Beaverhouse, Cirrus, Kasakokwog, Quetico, Cirrus, coming out on 7/16. On the portages, the mosquitoes were on the bad end of the normal range. On the camp sites, if exposed to wind, the mosquitoes weren't bad. With little wind in the evenings, the mosquitoes were fairly bad. We had a CCS bug shelter, which made a significant difference. Good luck on your trip!

timatkn

04/08/2019 10:30PM

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Wallski

04/30/2019 03:32AM

U wanna houseboat? Crane lake has sweet stuff to rent.

ockycamper

09/10/2022 06:05AM

"I called the outfitter on Poplar to ask their opinion at ground zero and they got very defensive and annoyed. “It’s only because of dumb people! Don’t be dumb and leave your food unattended or not hung! If you had a wedding ring on or $100 bill, you would know where it is at all times, and you should do the same with your food!”

Yeah okay, I understand have been going in for 7 years and have never had an encounter up close in camp. Just seen them from afar. The posters in this forum know what they’re doing and are experienced. I wouldn’t be so dismissive of their opinion like the outfitter was.

It’s likely that it’s due to amateur campers, but now that it’s happened and the bears have learned this behavior, there is no real fixing that problem now.

I think I will try to relocate to further down the Gunflint based on the posts thus far."

Unfortunatly, we used the same outfitters last month. I had nothing but good interactions with the prior owners, but was very disappointed with the current family running the place. I was immediately treated very rudely by one of owners for bringing my own canoes and not using theirs. Was also made to feel foolish by another owner/maybe an employee for not locating my name on a piece of paper outside the main entrance. Just a very bad vibe to the place overall and I won't be back."

We love the prior owners at Rockwood Outfitters. But the new owners also treated our group rudely as well. When I requested specific canoes, I was told "you get what you get. We can't just give everyone the canoe they want". During the fire ban, I had a permit on Seagull which was under the ban. the Rockwood owner would hardly talk to me until I cancelled the Seagull Lake permit first.

Will never use them or recommend them

Jackfish

02/18/2022 10:28AM

Jackfish

05/06/2020 12:58PM

All,
This is an excellent conversation, but I'm going to move it to the Gear Forum later today. Just wanted you to know where it went.

bobbernumber3

11/13/2021 10:39PM

State of Terror by Louise Penny and Hillary Clinton. I just finished last night. Great story, lots of action, strong female characters, current, and great digs on TPG.

dmpaul

06/11/2020 09:58AM

We'll plan on checking out Lockport.

NotLight

07/07/2020 10:49AM

Porkeater: "Sorry I'm late to this thread, but just wanted to add my $.02. The outfitter's assertion that they can land at any occupied campsite to drop off their customers because it's "public access" is absolutely wrong. I've been going to the BW/Q for 30 years and never had someone land a campsite I was using without asking permission. It may not be a rule, but it's just understood that you don't invade someone's personal space like that. I don't know if a permit is required to operate tows there, but if they are, then the FS needs to seriously review this operator's status.

Once the dog bit my kid, the bear spray would have been out and used, and I wouldn't have felt sorry about it drifting into the rest of their party either. The fact that the owners didn't seem concerned about the bite speaks volumes about their arrogance. This is one of the most outrageous incidents I've read about on here. "

I think it was Mr Green, in the study, with the candlestick.

Lost

07/29/2022 09:38AM

test

TominMpls

09/09/2020 11:51AM

So I didn't find a way to handle the "deposit" on my home-print permiting, so I just figured I don't care that much about $16. Well, today I got an email from the Kawishiwi station asking to call so they can update their permit records, and I had a nice conversation on the phone with a ranger, who apparently retroactively "issued" all my permits for this summer for their records. I bet you'll all be getting one of these messages in the coming weeks.

Anyway, she was actually able, retroactively, to issue me the refund for the second person "deposit" on my solo permit. I'd have been happy to let them keep it, but I'm also impressed that they were able to do it.

bwcadan

09/19/2020 11:14AM

Dreaded double post

Chieflonewatie

12/09/2020 08:03AM

goatroti: "I'm sure I don't need to remind you... but, http://www.ontarioparks.com/backcountry/safetyandetiquette

and to be more precise, under the Travelling and Campsite sub headings:

Use only existing trails and portages.
Good campsites are found not made. Use only existing campsites.
Set-up tents in previously cleared areas.
Keep campsites small. Focus activity in areas where vegetation is absent.
Do not alter the campsite by digging trenches around your tent, stripping moss to create a tent pad, moving rocks, or creating log structures.

"

Wow.

NMJim

02/06/2022 01:50PM

YetiJedi

02/06/2022 02:13AM

scottiebaldwin: "We all know the best website for “paddle planning” but it won’t let me post the title. Let’s just say that it rhymes with “Baddle Blanner.”"

+1. The two sites work well together - this one is invaluable for the advice and wisdom, in my opinion. The other one helps with distances, routes, etc.

I use paper maps for most of my daily navigation - True North (from this website), as well as McKenzie and Voyageur. I'll mark the campsites that have 4 or 5-star ratings and will also add a blue dot to the sites that fit our group size and preferences based on the trip. I mark my best fishing spots using invisible ink only I can see...HA!

I also use a Garmin In-Reach for a variety of functions. The weather report is fairly helpful although I wish it would indicate the likelihood of thunder/lightning with a percentage. It does give very accurate wind forecasts based the nearest weather station which has been good enough for my purposes. I upload my preferred route from the "baddle blanner" - on the calculate results page it has a GPX format that downloads very nicely. The website lets me make edits/notes prior to uploading to the device. I also use the Garmin to keep in touch with family...a few messages back and forth go a long way on both ends. My family likes tracking my progress on the map as I go and I use the routes later for my journal and notes. Finally, it does have an SOS button which gives me a little peace of mind. I activate the subscription in early May and turn it off after hunting season in the fall.

The On-X map works well on a cell but doesn't have as dynamic of route planning (IMHO), no communication with family (might be fine for others), and no SOS feature. It is much less expensive and I think you also get satellite images with much more realistic details. It's on my phone for hunting (gotta know property lines) so I have it just in case but I find I simply don't use it on canoe trips.

Northwoodsman

04/09/2022 09:52AM

Gaidin53: "The site that “can’t be named” now Has a new feature for being notified if a permit opens up for the specific entry point you are looking for. Sends you an email notification if you sign up for the feature. My understanding is that within about 15 minutes of the permit becoming available you get notified.

Probably not something I will. Use much since I plan way far in advance. Might come in handy though if I decide to do an unexpected trip.

Ryan"
I received that same email. They have software that checks the permit system every 30 minutes. It was also nice of them to offer a free printed map of your choice. I still don't get the rift because from a user view these two sites compliment each other, I would think that from a sponsor view I would see the same and advertise on both as well. I check BWCA multiple times a day, I only use the other one only when I'm planning a trip or looking up a specific route, campsite, or portage info.

Basspro69

04/10/2023 11:54PM

I’ve been trying to ignore the troll from Iowa , I will try harder !

NorthBranchdavidian

08/21/2019 09:01AM

It's like throwing a tire in the lake and telling everybody how good you are at disposing of tires.

blutofish1

06/12/2022 07:29AM

thegildedgopher: "We will be fishing Basswood in the motor zone, on Tue/Wed the 14th-15th. This will be just my 2nd time on Basswood. I fished it on May 23 last year on a cold & rainy day. Caught a mess of smallmouth and pike but couldn't boat a single walleye. My strategy when I'm fishing blind on a new lake is to troll shorelines and breaks around islands and points until I locate the target species, and then to cast/jig/bobber. Since I never found a walleye I pretty much kept moving all day long.

This year I'd like to go in with more of a plan. I would greatly appreciate any pointers or recent reports. If you have any spots you're willing to share, feel free to use the email link under my username. This is a 3-generation boys trip and I'm trying to put my dad and kid on some fish.

Right now my plan of attack is to skip the shoreline trolling on the eastern part of the motor zone, and hightail it to the lincoln/washington/half dog island area, as far west as frog bay. Looking at the areas between islands, and the series of reefs in that vicinity. This is my favorite area in the motor zone.

Thank you!"

Stumpy

04/03/2023 02:35AM

Welcome !!!

jillpine

08/10/2019 04:13PM

analyzer

04/14/2019 10:08PM

LilyPond: "It's getting harder to find a down sleeping bag for $200 or less, but it's possible with sale prices and coupons. My favorite rectangular down bag is the LL Bean 20, $250: https://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/77723?page=llbean-down-sleeping-bag-with-downtek-rectangular-20

Those can often be found for quite a bit less at Bean outlets. As with the Exped MegaMat 12 Lite, this is a sleeping bag that I would buy sight unseen. The temperature rating is accurate in my experience. Not an ultralight, but not too heavy either.

The Kelty Cosmic 20 is one of the most affordable down sleeping bags and can often be found on sale:
Men's long $127: https://www.backcountrygear.com/kelty-cosmic-20.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIoI-q9O_Q4QIVB1cMCh0ryACMEAkYAiABEgKCyPD_BwE

Women's $117: https://www.backcountryedge.com/kelty-women-s-cosmic-20-degree-2016.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIs8uv_-_Q4QIViY-zCh1GNQMMEAkYASABEgLUTvD_BwE

Won't be long Lily, you'll be completely outfitting me. which crypto currency should I buy? LOL.

Before you consider a sleeping bag by Big Agnes, make sure you understand the drawbacks of having no insulation on the bottom and having the sleeping bag pinned to the mattress. Try one in a store with a mattress inside the bottom pocket and hood cinched closed to see if you like that configuration. (I don't. Some people do.) In any case, your new mattress may not fit in a Big Agnes sleeping bag.

"

AmarilloJim

08/22/2019 09:12AM

Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources (OMNR) report on fizzing entitled A Review of “Fizzing” – A Technique for Swim Bladder Deflation (prepared by S.J. Kerr in Nov 2001).

I couldn't find a link to this article(another controversial topic) but it does have some references to mortality studies.

NorthBranchdavidian

08/21/2019 10:33AM

Lord give me the strength...

missmolly

08/20/2019 01:54PM

thegildedgopher: "Ms Molly, I am a "troubled boy" even though I'm nearly 40. Will you take me fishing after school? :D
"

You betcha.

MasterBaiter

12/01/2022 12:18PM

Jackfish

02/14/2023 01:10PM

BnD

06/25/2019 11:39AM

Dbl Post?

Jackfish

02/18/2022 01:35PM

Pat, just yesterday, I spoke on the phone with a Canadian customs officer and he told me that three things were required to enter Canada:

1. Passport

2. ArriveCAN app

3. Paperwork from a Covid PCR test completed within 72 hours of the arrival date

If the person is not vaccinated, there is a quarantine period once arriving in Canada.

This is all subject to change, of course.

As it stands today: Vaccinated travelers entering Canada

RunningFox

01/04/2020 06:06PM

Running Fox was my name when I was in Indian Guides as a kid. My Dad (Running Deer) made canoe paddles for the other five kids in our group, and had the kids mark then up with Pictographs before varnishing them.

I estimate he made 40 plus canoe paddles for friends and relatives. Spruce with walnut accents; real light too.

Pinetree

07/12/2020 05:11PM

Bushwacker

07/22/2020 04:26PM

adam: "For restaurants, the expectation is a map is worn in common areas, but not while eating or drinking."

Would that be a Quetico or BWCA map?

HannahJWR

08/19/2020 07:13PM

Of course by landmark I mean landform...directions for compass could also be helpful.

CoffeeInTheWoods

11/13/2020 09:28AM

martian

11/13/2020 09:35AM

Jackfish

11/18/2020 07:52AM

Lots to explore NW of Fourtown. Boot is a nice lake, often overlooked. Fairy is a gem.

zoefoster

01/07/2021 05:04AM

i always purchase hats from https://www.ustradeent.com/

bhouse46

01/18/2021 08:21AM

Still using this bag for local paddling and on trips, no worse for some heavy use.

Jackfish

01/20/2021 11:54AM

Chieflonewatie: "The government doesn't pay for anything. We pay for it.
"

Jackfish

02/19/2021 08:14PM

Mocha: "I go there every day....in my mind. "
I do, too.

MoonRunner

04/07/2021 10:23PM

Found an adapter to butane canister on eBay. Bought what he had then email him for another. Will send you the guys eBay seller name if you're interested.

bobbernumber3

04/07/2021 07:50PM

BearBurrito: "bobbernumber3: "3Ball: "so if we really just have no idea at all, why do we write yet another 40 lines or so?"

+1"

This is my humble opinion, but I find both of these responses to be rather rude and uncalled for."

I don't think the OP was actually right or wrong. His prediction was too vague and had no measurable metric. What was the measure for "early"? Regarding "ice out", which lake?

3Ball

04/07/2021 09:21PM

Does it make sense to write a bunch of stuff, again, when you explained that you were wrong because it was "field of near infinite unknows?"

I guess everyone has their way of looking at things.

I lost my taste for WW when he used my friend's death for political purposes even though he knew he was wrong. I haven't regained the taste. I'm pretty sure I never will.

MReid

06/29/2021 10:17AM

adam

02/16/2022 08:38AM

I am going to post this link. Feel free to click the link below to add it to your calendar. Look forward to chatting.

Wingnight - Virtual
Sunday, February 20 · 6:00 – 8:00pm

Google Meet joining info
Video call link: https://meet.google.com/xci-mhfo-xtk
Or dial: ?(US) +1 208-718-1730? PIN: ?791 643 790?#
More phone numbers: https://tel.meet/xci-mhfo-xtk?pin=7541183185964

billconner

10/24/2023 06:06PM

I found big difference in price. Just saying.

Mocha

01/02/2022 11:45AM

Since 2009. So, 12 years

alyssatix24

03/19/2022 06:48PM

Little Bass Campfire: June 2019

03/20/2022 08:35PM

geotramper

03/16/2023 04:46PM

Are these affiliate links?

Jackfish

08/18/2022 03:15PM

Hey tmccann, thanks for posting, but you should post this in the "Items for Sale or Wanted" forum.

JWilder

01/10/2022 08:58PM

dschult2

01/10/2022 10:03PM

thegildedgopher

01/29/2020 10:06AM

pitster: "24 minutes and all Day use Motor are dust in the wind for Basswood."

Would love to know the exact number of those 1300+ permits that are actually used. It just doesn't seem logical that there are that many people interested in putting on that many miles or using portage wheels a couple times on a day trip. I'm not pointing a finger at anyone in specific, it just doesn't seem to add up to me.

scottiebaldwin

02/05/2022 11:58PM

We all know the best website for “paddle planning” but it won’t let me post the title. Let’s just say that it rhymes with “Baddle Blanner.”

Wallyhunter7

02/05/2022 09:00PM

Wallyhunter7: "I think Fall lake would be good for you and your kids. The portages are easy and wide open and campsites will be open. I also would recommend going into Back Bay for fishing if you and your kids like that. Bring some crawlers or small leeches for panfish fun. The motor traffic is not ideal, but if you get off the main route ie into back bay, you won’t hear them much. I would plan to exit on Fall for ease of transportation and it’s just more simple. Overall, I think Fall lake is pretty good for the first time with kids. "

JackpineJim

04/01/2020 03:34PM

My friend asked me once; "Why do you think they call it dope?"

billconner

04/22/2022 06:51PM

Indeed. Even be sent an email when a permit becomes available. Very cool.

moray

04/23/2022 07:30AM

merlyn: "If you have an early May BW trip planned, what is your back-up plan if ice is still on the lakes?

I have an EP50 permit for May 17 so I think I will be ok, but if not and can't get a later permit, I plan to camp in the Superior any place I can get my truck into. Not ideal, but I'm not sure what else to do.

What are you going to do?"

Are you going in at #47 Lizz/Swamp again for this trip? My brother and I met you last year when we were all coming out together. We pushed our trip back a week this year so we are going in 4/22. I think ice will be out by then but smallmouth fishing will probably be tough. Maybe we will see you again this year.

elpirkl

04/23/2022 08:45AM

Paddle

elpirkl

04/23/2022 08:45AM

planner

hawkeyecollins94

12/02/2023 03:47PM

mike2019

05/25/2022 07:15AM

Nope

pitster

01/29/2020 11:12AM

I read a statistic some years ago that a large % of those permits are not exercised.

X612er

10/13/2023 05:59PM

Soledad: "Stumpy: "Snow Machines made them.
And Roger is a good guy."

“Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.” -The Dude

Roger is a felon and someone who thought/thinks rules don't apply to him. "
Yes Roger is a good guy.

What felonies was Roger charged with? Or convicted of?

X612er

10/13/2023 06:00PM

Pinetree: "Definitely looks like snowmobile-yes illegal and some people don't care.SAD>" Yes, it is 100% snowmobile. Why is it illegal?

bwcadan

06/28/2022 03:41PM

Bump

TuscaroraBorealis

06/14/2022 12:08PM

Savage Voyageur

04/25/2019 10:49PM

Here we go again.

Wallski

04/29/2019 03:00PM

You can troll bigger raps in these waters and hammer Norderns and post spawn female walleyes. All the wallski’s are golden including there belly’s in this water. Find a rock pile or sand bar and troll back in forth in 3-10 fow. Better yet get some rainbow chubs and slip-bobber shoreline structure.

QuietSolo

05/14/2020 07:24PM

MikeinMpls: "slickvb82: "They are doing their best, give them a bit of a break. All of this is new to everyone and they are not just considering the permit holders when making decisions. We're all anxious to hear, hang in there. "

Disagree.

The USFS should have had this game-planned out so that they had a ready response based on what Walz did last night. They could have had two or three other contingency plans ready to go based on date. And I don't believe the two entities don't or can't talk. Surely the USFS can obtain some kind of indication of what the governor is going to do, if even a day ahead of time... heck, 12 hours ahead of time.

I know there are more moving part than just permit holders. But that fact does not preclude a modicum of prior planning as I mentioned above.

The USFS completely blew the May 4 thing. They have a golden opportunity, on a silver platter no less, to learn from that fiasco and do the right thing here. I'm not banking on it.

Mike"

Mike"

I agree, Mike. I'm not banking on it either. I learned this week from an outfitter acquaintance of mine that the Forest Service has NOT been involving them in the "discussion" about closures, plans etc. Though I have little faith in government as a whole, I was a bit surprised that outfitters were not intimately involved in the discussions and decision making process. They certainly haven't been interested in talking with me! They respond to my emails, but always with "this is the way it is". I day tripped up there this week. Seeing those nasty signs with threats of huge fines and/or jail time had me simultaneously wanting to cry in despair and rage...well, in rage.

airmorse

05/01/2019 10:11AM

Wallski: "Back in 1974 I was camping up the moise-loop way with a few town soaks. Bout 3am when all us soaks where snookered up this Volvo comes a screaming into camp, stuff was damn flying everywhere but normal. Well this gentlemen well south of hwy 2 said he thought we where the logging protest camp. Poor guy got to hangout and drink with 2 loggers and 3 miners. We fed him good and sent the poor fella down damn road you could say."

Whatever...

scat

05/24/2019 07:17PM

preacherdave

07/18/2019 01:44PM

Here we go again

campnfish

12/12/2018 08:54PM

JackFish, that link above is dead, they have a new one now.

wyopaddler

04/09/2023 03:59PM

Quetico Bog Hopping-A long way to the water. . .

gpmaloy

08/13/2023 09:45AM

How much are you asking?
Ship or pickup(where?)
Thanks

bombinbrian

08/13/2023 01:37PM

$90 and I’m in NW twin cities

scat

08/13/2023 05:39PM

missmolly

08/22/2019 09:54AM

barehook: "NorthBranchdavidian: "Sorry everyone. This was all most likely based on a lie anyways. 45" Walleye??? ROFLMAO...gasping for air. Don't be greedy, that's all. Fisherpeople on a good bite need to have restraint. Mortality rates have been studied to be as high as 23%. But again, 45" Walleye...so, none of this most likely took place. Too snarky? Maybe, but even using that word makes me feel silly.
Sorry to push the offended button on so many of you. You're correct when you say I could have gone about this in a much better way. I wasted what could have been a good point with bad text."

OK, wow, you got me....or not. Obvious stream of consciousness typo. I clearly said at the start of that post that it was was a 'big pike' story, and inadvertently typed in 'walleye' instead of 'pike' when giving the backstory from Woodland Caribou which was intended to illustrate that I have some context for estimating pike size. Here...see if this helps, I'll all cap it so I'm clear. I HAVE CAUGHT A 44 AND 45 INCH PIKE IN WOODLAND CARIBOU PROVINCIAL PARK. Hope that helps. And for the record, my personal best walleye from BWCA is 29.5 inches, which the charts say is in the range of 10 lbs.

Another things to consider if you want 'discussion'....using the word 'lie' is pretty loaded. Effectively you just called me a liar. "This was all most likely based on a lie anyways." Hint: Not the best way to start a serious conversation. Hope you got your breath back after gasping for air.

Now believe it or not....bottom line...I do think the issue you raised of catch and release mortality is real, and deserves conversation. But I'm still waiting for your 'solution' for those of us who work our asses off to get to a good lake for a fishing vacation, and find the fish biting. Reference my previous questions which you've never answered."

barehook, I don't think you're a liar and neither do others beyond NBD. I know it was a typo. I'm sorry this thread has become so messy. You were rightly feeling good about your great fishing. I'm glad you shared. I'm still amazed at those two massive pike. I've caught muskies that big, but my biggest pike is in the low 40-inch range. A 45-inch pike is a rare critter.

Blatz

03/25/2020 08:15PM

Bradv: "The water is really high on the Des Plaines and you won’t be able to paddle under the bridges. You’d have to portage across the bridge sections, some of which are too steep and slippery with mud. All of the put ins are open. I live in Gurnee a mile away form the DPR.

I was just out on Monday and I could easily paddle under the Wadsworth Rd Bridge and had to lay back a bit to get under the bike trail bride just down river from there.

yogi59weedr

04/05/2020 11:00AM

My bait shop guy in Ely said he is probably not going to open up next month, unless this virus gets under control.

lindylair

12/19/2022 06:52PM

Jackfish

02/19/2022 04:55PM

PeaceFrog

02/20/2022 07:46PM

Thank you Adam for hosting the Wingnight. Great chatting with a small group and seeing some folks from the message board. Look forward to the next one.

billconner

02/20/2022 06:31PM

Heavy moderating in this thread.

bfurlow

02/21/2022 11:27AM

Double post

TomT

12/18/2019 07:30PM

LittoralZone

02/06/2020 06:39PM

Price Reduced

Goinar

08/09/2018 05:54AM

good idea for dessert, thanks

Goinar

08/09/2018 05:55AM

would like to replace white sugar with stevia?

TomT

08/09/2018 06:38PM

You might try going out of Moose Lake east to Knife Lake then complete the loop by going south through Vera and west on Ensign back to Moose. Knife Lake has plenty of what you are looking for and not much portaging to get there.

Are you familiar with that very cool planning site that we aren't allowed to link to on here? Check out their interactive map feature of the BWCA and zoom in on Knife Lake to check out campsites. There's a few 4 star sites around the north side of the big islands. If you see Bonnie Lake just to the south of Knife look directly north of there for some very nice sites.

If you bunk at an outfitter on Moose lake such as William and Hall or LaTourelles you can get showers on the way out. Have fun!

Pinetree

12/03/2021 05:51PM

news NEws

tobiedog

06/19/2020 11:44AM

Jackfish

06/19/2020 01:51PM

tom14: "I have a Granite Gear #4 Duluth pack in excellent condition. "
Tom, just for clarity, do you have a Granite Gear pack or a Duluth Pack pack?

tumblehome

08/21/2021 11:57AM

Deleted. Double post

zoefoster

12/11/2020 12:42AM

they have a variety of wool hoodies in lowest price, visit ustradeent-com

bwcadan

12/02/2020 05:27PM

R1verrunner

01/28/2021 09:53AM

I don't feel bad about using my senior pass at the parks after paying taxes for 40 some years.

Most seniors have earned it.

Savage Voyageur

01/28/2021 11:38AM

R1verrunner: "I don't feel bad about using my senior pass at the parks after paying taxes for 40 some years.Most seniors have earned it."

He’s right you know^^^

TuscaroraBorealis

04/03/2021 04:57PM

AluminumBarge: "Definitely recommend Anderson’s in Crane Lake. "

My recommendation as well.

Harv

04/28/2021 12:32PM

Soledad: "A big win for the BWCA and the City of Duluth today! The Supreme Court has affirmed the reversal of PolyMet's Permit to mine.
Full Opinion "

Here. We. Go.

Wharfrat63

04/28/2021 01:43PM

CNN Fear Porn.

Cc26

04/28/2021 02:55PM

didn't read it, didn't have to. its CNN so i know its baloney.

jhb8426

04/28/2021 06:03PM

Cc26: "didn't read it, didn't have to. its CNN so i know its baloney."

It's news, not opinion...

See an alligator interrupt a football training in Florida

Do you doubt this one too becuz it's on CNN?

timatkn

05/20/2021 09:02PM

woodsandwater: "What has happened to the Canadians? My Mum was born there and I have relatives across the Provinces. Their Covid restrictions are beyond the pale and are dictatorial. Pastors arrested in Alberta for holding worship services. Churches fenced off. Restrictions in Manitoba on how many guests you can have in your home, even if they are extended family. In Ontario you can only shop for "essential" items and there are restrictions on outdoor activities. The Canadians used to be a brave, strong people. Now they are sheep bowing to insane government restrictions. Shameful."

Agree...and disagree...their government has made many mistakes...their vaccine strategy was flawed from the start. I agree they have been overbearing in some of the lock downs—I disagree with that as well...but they haven’t had anywhere near the unnecessary deaths the US allowed...when you see a promising marathoner training for the olympics with no health problems career ended due to COVID because people couldn’t be inconvenienced? I think we need to look in the mirror and see if we could of done better. I hate the sheep comment...you could call those not getting vaccinated and not wearing masks, not wanting restrictions sheep more easily as they belong to the cult of misinformation...They believe whatever information makes them feel good about their choice to not think of anyone but themselves. They flock together like sheep and only listen to those who think like them...

T

woodsandwater

05/20/2021 03:27PM

What has happened to the Canadians? My Mum was born there and I have relatives across the Provinces. Their Covid restrictions are beyond the pale and are dictatorial. Pastors arrested in Alberta for holding worship services. Churches fenced off. Restrictions in Manitoba on how many guests you can have in your home, even if they are extended family. In Ontario you can only shop for "essential" items and there are restrictions on outdoor activities. The Canadians used to be a brave, strong people. Now they are sheep bowing to insane government restrictions. Shameful.

Jackfish

01/26/2022 03:08PM

bobbernumber3

06/27/2021 09:00AM

barehook

08/21/2019 03:40PM

Thanks, Amarillojim, for reminding us that the issue of practicing effective catch and release is always timely to discuss. All the other 'stuff' notwithstanding, I count myself in those who had to think about it more as a result of this thread.

Sparkeh

07/14/2023 05:26AM

Yikes.

Ahahn366

06/15/2023 07:22AM

https://www.weather.gov/spot/php/forecast.php?snumunum=2315271.1&lat=48.34955650635996&lon=-89.75515998847771&z=7
This is the spot weather for spicer fire. Quite a bit more dialed in than zone forcast

Jackfish

11/03/2023 01:19PM

Certainly no disrespect intended with my answer, but other than the uniqueness of lighting a fire "old school" (and maybe having a fire starter set in the pack for emergencies), why bother? When a butane lighter is so quick, easy and efficient, I see no advantage of lighting fires any other way. We carry some stick matches and a striking strip for our backup.

I do remember showing our Boy Scouts how to use flint & steel and they thought it was cool to get a fire going that way.

LindenTree

12/27/2021 09:06PM

Double post.

billconner

03/09/2023 06:00AM

The Hungry Hippie Farm and Hostel!

Ember

08/18/2022 05:23AM

BonzSF

12/19/2022 09:53AM

Yes it’s supposed to be Souris . Darn spellcheck

Savage Voyageur

01/28/2022 06:49PM

Spartan2

01/28/2022 05:16PM

schweady: "I've messed just a bit with brightness or contrast to clean up my pictures, but just curious how many of these finalists employed a lot of post-production, filters, etc. There is no doubt that it makes for a striking print for the wall, but I wonder if the contest rules might include something about raw shots only. Not sour grapes, just a thought.
"

This is a very hard question. In looking at the finalists, it seems obvious to me that several of them are HDR shots and photos that have had a lot of post-camera work done. But how do you draw the line? To say "raw images only" would mean nothing cropped, nothing finished in any way as to exposure, color, etc. and it would really exclude a lot of excellent photography by simple amateur photographers who just "tweak" a photo a bit to help it out. That is the type of photography I do, minimal post-camera processing. And years ago I won several of the monthly photo contests. I haven't won now in a very long time, because there are more skilled photographers now entering the contests and their work is amazing. Some of that work is behind the camera (the photographer's eye), some is better equipment, and some is very skillful post-camera processing to make the images very special.

Just an opinion here, but I think as long as the rules are followed: that the photos are taken in the canoe country, the location is identified, and they are submitted by the person who took the photo--that's good enough for me. I often still enter the contests, even though I don't expect to win. I love looking through all of the month's entries, and usually IMHO one or two stand out as clearly superior. And sometimes, the ones I pick as "clearly superior" aren't the ones that are chosen as winners either. Go figure.

I suspect, in fact I am almost 100% sure, that the photo I chose this time as my winner for the 2021 contest will not be the final winner. That's OK. There was one that spoke to me like none other. Photography is a very subjective art, and it would be interesting to me to know at the end of the voting how many votes each photo received, but I suppose that might be discouraging for the owners of the photos that didn't do as well.

Bottom line: they are all exceptionally beautiful. I think I'll go look at that slide show again just for inspiration. :-)

moray

04/23/2022 07:36AM

moray: "merlyn: "If you have an early May BW trip planned, what is your back-up plan if ice is still on the lakes?

I have an EP50 permit for May 17 so I think I will be ok, but if not and can't get a later permit, I plan to camp in the Superior any place I can get my truck into. Not ideal, but I'm not sure what else to do.

What are you going to do?"

Are you going in at #47 Lizz/Swamp again for this trip? My brother and I met you last year when we were all coming out together. We pushed our trip back a week this year so we are going in 4/22. I think ice will be out by then but smallmouth fishing will probably be tough. Maybe we will see you again this year."

Sorry! I just saw your post says entry #50. Hopefully you can make your trip!

LarryNC

06/22/2023 11:29AM

Of course Jackfish, thanks, -- Larry

Censorshipper

03/31/2019 03:29AM

Hey Adam,

What are you gonna do with the money you get from advertising for REI? That post about this website being an exploit for you to make money off ads and ban those that don't fit in for deleted too soon....

tlittlef

03/31/2019 02:53PM

Alright everyone, thanks much for the information so far. Fairly certain that our plan is to enter Clearwater EP 62 and portage over to Caribou for a base camp to fish. My friend is in the military, and insists that we roughneck this trip by ourselves for peak adventure - no outfitters... which doesn't scare me as we've gone on plenty of camping trips prior, but it would be nice to be guided in the right direction. So, if reserving a permit w/o an outfitter, do I only need to purchase one for the two of us only on the entry day?

Guest99

12/04/2023 04:33PM

Daniel2024: "Hi! I'm planning on driving down from Calgary, AB to hike the Kek and Border route in April of 2024. The Canadian Rockies still hold quite a bit of snow in April so a 100 mile through hike isn't practical up here and I'd like to do one in the Spring. Sure MN might still have some at that time too; I'll watch the conditions.

I'm not having much luck in finding an outfitter or other resource who would shuttle me from one end to the other even though I'm willing to pay nicely for it. I just want a reliable person; I'll go either end, and at any time.

I do have a Plan B if I cannot secure a resource...walk 3.5 days and turn around and walk back! At least I'd be self contained and would have all of Kek and a taste of Border...

If anyone has any ideas, I would love to hear them!

Thank you!

"

I don’t think you understand the climate in northern Minnesota. Outfitters are not open in April as there is still snow and ice on the lakes. Most years there is still a lot of snow in the woods in April, not just patches of snow. The trail will be impossible to follow unless we have an unusually mild winter and early, early spring.

MooseTrack

10/18/2019 09:22AM

Check out Moose Track Adventures Resort, Outfitters and Guide Service located 7 miles south of Ely and on Farm Lake. They have direct access to the North Kawishiwi River and if you apply for a permit to South Farm you would be able to fish that lake which is limited to 25 hp.

Banksiana

02/13/2023 10:43AM

Taping trees? Like with athletic tape?

thegildedgopher

04/01/2020 06:03PM

There was an article from Northern Wilds shared on FB today that said info on BWCA is coming soon, so hopefully we will have something to work with sooner than later.
“Fee Campgrounds operated by concessionaires are currently closed for the season. However, as we work through this public health emergency the reopening of our campgrounds may be subject to change. Recreation information pertaining to the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness will be released soon.”

The article was about the SNF in general: https://northernwilds.com/no-restrooms-limited-recreation-services-provided-on-the-superior-national-forest/

HowardSprague

02/07/2024 09:02AM

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Bushman

08/30/2023 11:02AM

Reflections
The pictograph wall on Crooked Lake/Basswood River

Bushman

08/30/2023 11:08AM

Bushman: "

Reflections
The pictograph wall on Crooked Lake/Basswood River"

Delete this one please. Theme is sunsets and sunrise.

bobbernumber3

08/30/2023 06:19AM

JohnGalt: "POS government website..."

operator error, most likely. Or you were flagged for deletion...

RunningFox

05/21/2022 07:14PM

Agree with Prospector 100%.

Today our federal government flew the $40 billion bill “i.e, the aid package for Ukraine” to Korea for Joe Biden’s signature. Joe is “touring” Asia so the bill “had to be” flown to him for his signature. (Hint to Joe and the other geniuses in Washington: DocuSign). Another example of Joe’s concern for the environment and climate. Not to mention problems here at home.

The high gas prices are the fault of Dems. Same with inflation. Same with the nose dive in the stock market. It appears things are going to get much worse before they get better. For the record, I’m against aid package for Ukraine.

Pinetree

05/21/2022 09:12PM

timatkn: "Anyway…moving on…I’m still going if I can no matter the gas price :)

T" Thanks for moving on.

missmolly

05/22/2022 07:48AM

scat: "At the Murphys gas station by my house regular was $ 1.69 a gallon 2 weeks before the election. Now it's $ 5.15 a gallon. Something went wrong there..."

Gas consumption dropped during pandemic. With less demand, oil companies cut production. Then consumption increased as the pandemic waned. Increased demand increased prices and then Russia invaded Ukraine.

This is also in play: "The Biden administration has called on producers to pump more, but oil companies are reluctant to drill after pledging capital discipline to shareholders, and executives say that even if they wanted to pump more they simply can’t. They’re facing the same issues that are playing out across the economy, including labor shortages and rising prices for parts and raw materials, such as sand, which is key to fracking production."

yogi59weedr

05/28/2022 02:06PM

And you still haven't learned your lesson.

aruthenb

05/14/2020 05:54AM

Sawbill Canoe Outfitters posted this yesterday on their social media outlets. It helped me better understand the order and helps clarify several items.

"COVID -19 Update 5/13/2020 – This evening Minnesota Governor Tim Walz issued a new executive order that goes into effect at 11:59 pm on May 17th. The bulk of the order is aimed at allowing most businesses to re-open, provided that they meet certain guidelines, have implemented a Covid-19 Preparedness Plan and only allow up to 50% of maximum capacity into the establishment.

More specifically pertaining to us at Sawbill, the State of Minnesota will allow dispersed and remote camping. Dispersed camping is defined as camping in an undeveloped location that does not contain facilities. Remote camping is defined as designated campsites that are accessible by hiking trail or watercraft. Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness campsites fall under the remote camping designation. So, as far as the State is concerned, camping in the BWCA should be allowed beginning May 18. That said, the BWCA is under federal jurisdiction, therefore the Forest Service will ultimately decide when overnight use in the BWCA will be allowed. We are awaiting an update from the Forest Service.

Under this order, developed campgrounds must remain closed until at least May 31, 2020 at 11:59 pm. Again the Forest Service has the ultimate control over the Superior National Forest, so we will await guidance from them regarding the Sawbill Lake, Crescent Lake, and Temperance River Campgrounds.

The State of Minnesota is still encouraging people to stay close to home and avoid all unnecessary travel. They advise that you should be able to complete your round trip journey on one tank of gas.

To date, coping with all of these restrictions and uncertainty has been challenging for all of us. However, there has been consistency between State and Federal requirements as they pertain to our areas of business. With consistency, and the degree of predictability it brings, we’ve at least been able to stake out clear positions and decisions for how we will operate our business . This latest update appears to be the beginning to conflicting policy and we are finding ourselves between a rock and a hard place both ethically and in how to provide our core services. The continued encouragement to stay close to home raises some tricky issues for us, who, primarily serve people who do not live close by. The potential extension of the campground closures creates a complication for us and many of our customers who rely on the Sawbill Lake Campground as a launching pad to their BWCA Wilderness trip.

Whether the BWCA and Sawbill Lake, Crescent Lake, and Temperance River campgrounds will open remains at the discretion of the Forest Service, who will have to weigh many considerations with many stakeholders, and quickly. Please feel free to call or email us if you have any questions. We should know more from the Forest Service by the end of this week.

Hang with us as we continue to navigate this situation. Sawbill’s business mission is to help all people access the Wilderness in a friendly and inclusive way. Caring for our crew as if they are family is in our ethos. Looking out for our friends and neighbors in Cook County is a priority."

Togolance

10/06/2023 05:39AM

Buy a canoe from a place that's treats there seasonal employees like absolute disposable garbage . Tom roller is a complete fake , don't believe anything he says . My 5 year has WAY more time in a boat than him !!! Scumbag has cheated me out of 2 boats .

OMGitsKa

10/06/2023 10:04AM

Togolance: "Buy a canoe from a place that's treats there seasonal employees like absolute disposable garbage . Tom roller is a complete fake , don't believe anything he says . My 5 year has WAY more time in a boat than him !!! Scumbag has cheated me out of 2 boats . "

Buddys got beef!

Frenchy19

10/06/2023 10:31AM

timatkn

10/06/2023 12:05PM

Sorry for your different experience. I bought a canoe from Piragis in 2022. I bought a much in demand canoe when inventory was low. They held it for me for 6 weeks. Of course I put a deposit down. The price even went up before I made my final purchase and they honored the lower price without me having to say anything. Everything was on the up and up and it was a great experience. I've had several other dealings with them, although never outfitted, it's always been a class act for me.

T

Maiingan

04/28/2023 06:19AM

Stumpy: "CatchMe: "Ban all the motorboats. It's a WILDERNESS area."

Then ban all people too." That might be the answer or maybe limit people. Like no more than 1 trip per person every 10 years.

fishnfreak

02/15/2020 07:31AM

CloudsRollingIn

10/13/2023 07:29PM

A little rolled ankle and you immediately call in a float plane rescue? Didn’t even spend the night to try and tough it out or see if it improved. That is borderline abusing the resources and taking away from other people that may actually be in a serious rescue situation.

You made several questionable decisions in this video and you seem to be proud of it? This isn’t the kind of thing that should be promoted.

Springer2

01/25/2024 06:18PM

Sure--go ahead. I wanted some of the "old timers" to see it here before I put it on Listening Post and it got buried quickly. Actually I want to edit it so I'll do it.

SideSwipe

06/01/2022 08:28AM

Jackfish

01/25/2024 03:52PM

Hey Springer (Mark)... do you mind if I bump this over to the Listening Point general forum? More people would see it there.

ducks

01/29/2024 12:01PM

ducks: "I think the Closest ones to EP 33 are the ones in town. "

I forgot that River Point Resort on Birch does outfitting and they’re about 20 minutes from 33. I’m not sure on bunkhouse though.

Main drag Ely is about 30 minutes to 33.

HappyHuskies

07/07/2022 09:40AM

buzz17

06/07/2020 08:54AM

delete please ugh

Meltonbmm

05/05/2020 11:24AM

primitiveguy

04/13/2019 10:14PM

jhb8426: "About as exciting as watching golf (or paint dry).

***DROP THE PUCK***"

Isn’t soccer the game for the kids who aren’t smart enough to play football?

drrick

04/20/2020 08:46AM

CoachBigD

04/30/2019 12:15PM

Wallski

05/01/2019 01:03AM

I can’t wait to have a motorized wheel-chair in the nursing home.

Wallski

05/01/2019 01:12AM

Back in 1974 I was camping up the moise-loop way with a few town soaks. Bout 3am when all us soaks where snookered up this Volvo comes a screaming into camp, stuff was damn flying everywhere but normal. Well this gentlemen well south of hwy 2 said he thought we where the logging protest camp. Poor guy got to hangout and drink with 2 loggers and 3 miners. We fed him good and sent the poor fella down damn road you could say.

adam

05/02/2019 02:46PM

Top

Buhlie

08/04/2023 05:15PM

Stumpy: "Mocha: "When is the first story due to be posted."
LOL
I'm kind of lazy at times.
I'll get to it. "

Don’t let the swampies rush you bud. I was a dock boy and guide at Nelson’s on Crane as a kid for a couple summers myself. Oh the stories I could tell hahaha.

Buhlie

08/04/2023 05:57PM

Why would anyone with a right mind give two fucks about a nail or two in trees??? Use them and be thankful you didn’t have to pack or pound them. I don’t pack or pound nails but commonly cut willows for poles and will continue to do so. They’ll grow back in a year or two tops. Nails and other “LNT” complaints that people get their panties in a twist about and then get up on their soap box and bitch about make me laugh.

OMGitsKa

04/23/2020 06:25AM

Maybe post this over on the Items for Sale form page. Hopefully you can line something up, otherwise I am sure you can sell it pretty fast there. People really seem to enjoy those prisms.

schweady

04/15/2020 07:26AM

Just here closing quotes...

Wallski

05/09/2019 10:34PM

If your fishing these waters go to a 8 foot sage fly rod with sinking line tipped with a muddler minnow.

Bushpilot

03/06/2020 06:26PM

??

Baamaapii !

YetiJedi

07/16/2022 10:40PM

Ryan Kari at Ely Outdoors Company has helped us out with tows numerous times. Highly recommend.

528 E Sheridan Street
Ely, MN 55731
218-365-4844
www.paddlethebwca.com

Zwater

07/19/2019 05:41PM

These are the topics where I really miss TGO. He had more knowledge and first hand experience then any of us on this topic. He wasn't an armchair quarterback discussing this issue.

fadersup

08/20/2022 11:25AM

jwartman59: "This Facebook group has many wood/canvas canoes for sale Facebook group "

Why the hijack?

MagicMan1

08/20/2022 05:18PM

bump

Soledad

05/31/2019 01:03PM

They infuse shrooms with chocolate now days. I hear it is a pretty nice way to trip as you are less likely to get the stems and caps stuck in your teeth.
I haven't heard anything about LSD for a long time, but I would bet it is still around.

blackdawg9

08/15/2023 07:24AM

my name is your name too, i spit myself out of their system ,in late 2019 early 2020. when they tried to kill me with a virus and destroy my business. they destroyed that business , when they cut off that head and 3 emerged.

if you know who i am.
where to find me
and know of a way to contact me. i would be more than happy.
to let you buy from me . my freezer beef or 1 of my other products.

heypaddler

08/15/2023 11:07AM

adam: "I don't get it that thousands of people come to use this site every day and don't provide support to keep this place going. Thank you to the 1% which do provide support!

Make your commitment today"

Firstly, I wouldn't start a career in fundraising. This isn't really the tone you want when asking people to contribute to your mission. Angry? Entitled? Demanding?

Okay, Adam.

Secondly, if you're asking others to donate, how about some transparency on the finances? What do expenses versus revenue look like? How much are you truly underwater on this operation? You're asking people to donate, transparency might encourage participation.

Finally, if you'd like some help with how to raise funds for something like this, or on creating transparency, let me know. I'd be happy to help.

Doublelung76

03/03/2022 04:39AM

Let’s go brandon

ockycamper

09/12/2022 12:42PM

Kampynkate: "In reference why campers carry guns? Because we can. "

Again, to answer the comment. . . our group carries firearms in BWCA because we are always carrying a weapon. We are licensed and trained in their use. The only difference in the BWCA is that we carry the appropriate weapon for that area. And yes, we also carry Counter Assault bear spray in every camp.

Stumpy

01/27/2023 04:42AM

Sad

BWCAgoer

10/26/2022 12:40PM

$275 OBO

Frenchy19

11/05/2022 03:48PM

HangLoose: "

Wabakimi
Shore Lunch"

I wish Chota still made those boots!

CedarCreak

12/06/2022 11:15AM

In 2001 we had what was an epic adventure for 4 of us across the BWCA. We had 2 daughters about to graduate high school who could shuttle cars from Snow Bank Landing to Round Lake and that was a haul in itself. Our goal was to see the deep interior of the BWCA which we had been all around, and we travelled Snowbank to Adams, Kawishiwi river, through Makwa, which we called Bear Lake, and out through Tuscarora.

A 6 day trip left not enough time for fishing but we caught lake trout on Thomas, Makwa and Tuscarora. It felt remote that early with no tracks on the portages and fresh wolf scat on the trails and fulfilled our goal. Ice an inch thick in the water container in the morning, but a wonderful and beautiful adventure for the team. Hope you enjoy whatever you decide.

mgraber

01/08/2023 07:55PM

Basspro69

06/13/2019 10:24PM

I find that people with 2 inch dicks always complain about stuff like 2 dollar permits :-)

Maggie Smith

08/24/2016 04:04PM

Hi! I know this post was written a while back, but I felt compelled to respond!

My boyfriend and I recently returned from a 7 day SUP trip in the eastern portion of the BWCA. We paddled and portaged close to 70 miles over the course of our trip. Before we embarked I read a couple blogs that discouraged paddle boarding in the Boundary Waters, but I just have to disagree! I've been to the BWCA only once before on a canoe trip so I'm still a BWCA novice. I however found paddleboarding to be an absolutely incredible, and by no means impossible, means of traversing this remote wilderness.

To tell you a little more about our trip there were only the two of us, each with our own SUP. Both our boards are blow up and when deflated fit into their own pack--although we only had to deflate them once during our trip. Each board came with various D rings and elastic straps on the deck to secure down gear. We both bought a couple sea to summit dry bags that ranged from 35L to 60L and one Cabela's brand dry bag, which we ended up returning afterwards because it didn't compare in quality to the others. In total we had 5 dry bags for the two of us and had plenty of extra room. We secured our equipment to our boards in various different ways throughout the trip using a combination of the elastic strapping and additional NRS straps/gigantic rubber coated twisty ties--the twisty ties were a lifesaver and by the end they were the only things we were using to secure our packs!

As for our route, our entry point into the BWCA was through South Lake, which begins with around a 11 mile paddle starting at the Gunflint Lake boat launch and a short portage from North Lake into South Lake that's around 80 rods or so. From there we planned a large loop that took us to Rat Lake, Rose Lake, Rove Lake, Watab Lake, Mountain Lake, Clearwater Lake, Deer Lake, Moon Lake, Flour Lake, Hungry Jack Lake, Bearskin Lake, Duncan Lake, and then back to Rose Lake where exited the same way we entered through Rat Lake, South Lake, North Lake, Little North Lake, Little Gunflint Lake, and Gunflint Lake. All in all we calculated we travelled between 60-70 miles with our SUPs!

We had great weather and although it was really windy a couple days we had no real trouble paddling any of the lakes. There's a lot of crap on the internet about the difficulty of taking paddleboards in the BWCA. Keep in mind most of these "nay sayers" are sitting in a canoe and have no personal experience on a paddleboard. Having now paddled the BWCA in both a canoe and on a SUP I feel compelled to share my experience and disprove the garbage that I've read.

We did a lot of portaging on this trip and I find it surprisingly easy to portage my SUP--one of our portages was 660 rods (from Rose to Rove) and that was the only time we decided to actually deflate our boards. I found SUP portaging to be lighter and much less awkward than carrying a canoe. For one thing, I didn't have to have my head inside the haul of a boat, and, in addition, I could deflate my board and throw it on my back in a moment notice. My gear also never got wet and I was never worried about it falling off my board. I had plenty of extra room on my board too. All in all, it is save to say that paddleboarding the BWCA is both possible and incredibly fun! My boyfriend and I are already looking forward to our next backcountry SUP trip!

One last note: "Haters gunna hate; players gunna play!" Whatever your mode of travel just get out there and do it!

Northwoodsman

06/16/2019 12:13PM

A lot of people over pack on food. I take less an less every trip and I am finally at a point where I feel comfortable with the amount of food that I bring. For some reason I never get hungry on my paddle adventure, I have to remember to eat most of the time. It's the opposite when I'm at home. On my recent trip I was sick for about 24 hours so I skipped 3 meals. That was the only food I packed out. It was nice knowing that I wasn't portaging the extra weight.

mjmkjun

10/14/2019 03:29PM

opps! sorry. (wrong forum.)

onepaddleshort

12/03/2019 05:24PM

Jackfish

12/19/2019 12:07PM

MikeinMpls: "Technology makes some people dumber. "
You mean like the folks who can't go to the grocery store without plugging it into their GPS? LOL

mjmkjun

11/13/2019 07:18AM

dbl post removed

NorthBranchdavidian

08/21/2019 02:17PM

Some people might understand.

SlowElk

11/15/2019 03:35AM

SlowElk: "Decided to stop and have some lunch before retracing our way back to the car. Wish I could give a better description. All of the caves seemed to be naturally formed through water erosion and some of them looked to be used as an animal den. The first caves we came across I thought might have been a bear den at some point from what I was seeing on the ground, but they don’t really match anything I can find looking online.

SlowElk

11/15/2019 03:40AM

deerfoot

12/04/2019 11:35PM

Sorry - double post. Just home from a volunteer party at the local nature center where they had free beer.

nctry

10/26/2017 05:39AM

Happy there is a reunion happening.
I see where TGO is coming from. But some dogs can easily give you that oh I'd never run from you look. I hope itchymenice can appreciate the fact that dog will have to go back to square one on some of her training.

nctry

12/14/2019 11:49PM

LittoralZone

12/24/2019 06:17PM

Still available!

unshavenman

04/19/2018 08:33PM

Purcell trench grills.
Very highly recommended.

NotLight

11/18/2021 11:12PM

Isn't one of these related to the Judean People's Front?

afromaniac

11/19/2021 09:54AM

NotLight: "

Isn't one of these related to the Judean People's Front?
"HOW DARE YOU! The Friends of the Boundary Waters is aligned with the People's Front of Judea. They would never associate with anyone as awful as the Judean People's Front.

PointMe2Polaris

11/21/2021 08:43AM

Jackfish

06/08/2020 10:32AM

halvorsonchristopher: "Not a single person without garbage. Sad times. "
Chris... I'm not sure what you mean by this. I'm thinking that it means people are cleaning up garbage left behind at campsites.

ashlandjack

06/29/2020 09:49AM

ashlandjack: "butthead: "ashlandjack: " I, too, am getting older and have to compensate for that in different ways, but some things you just don't have to excuse no matter how old you get . "

Never considered stopping my input, too stubborn! And I'm not offering any excuses, just alternatives. Too much history and friendships developed with members to let go of.

Just do me a favor if I ever use such descriptions and terms as,

"Might as well be using a sextant and compass out there rather than a GPS. Or clunky leather shoes for portage shoes lol! "

kick me in the ass for being a jerk.

cowboymac12, whatever you choose you can work with it! Pre-fixed lengths or cut on the site can be used, but to settle it for yourself hang a tarp in your back yard or a local woods for practice. That's the best way to determine what works for you.
My meaning you never excuse small thinking from little mines.
Sorry I am still learning to use these things.

butthead""

anubarak

07/04/2020 06:59AM

https://s3.amazonaws.com/free-fire-pc/index.html

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/granny/eejokkdiggcjajkeghppbpokdhiacdnf

Wes44

03/21/2022 03:39PM

I've used three different outfitters. The experiences and costs have differed. Based strictly on the service/experience, I would unreservedly recommend them all.

However, nothing is more important to me than ensuring the BWCAW continues to be the BWCAW, so I use this list to determine who I will use next:

https://www.bwcabusiness.org/

Scroll down to the drop down list of Northern Minnesota businesses that are publicly supporting protecting the values we love so much (and that they depend on).

Minnesotian

07/22/2020 04:33PM

Bushwacker: "adam: "For restaurants, the expectation is a map is worn in common areas, but not while eating or drinking."

Would that be a Quetico or BWCA map?"

I’d probably use a Fisher myself. That yellow color really highlights my eyes.

MikeinMpls

07/30/2020 08:50AM

double posted

sorry

Mike

schweady

08/03/2020 08:56AM

sprucetheloosemoose

09/06/2022 02:55PM

Jackfish

09/12/2020 08:20AM

Jackpine... please edit your post and use the Add a link to this message function. It's pretty easy to use, but if you need help, just ask. Thanks.

kjmeisner

10/19/2020 05:37PM

kjmeisner: "

Got food?"

bobbernumber3

11/03/2020 12:27PM

IronRangeMike

11/17/2020 07:46PM

There’s a really nice resort on Wynne lake between the legend and the quarry at giants ridge as well.

Villas at Giants Ridge

brux

12/15/2020 08:51PM

^
|

Trying to end quote hell :)

Aleckst03

12/28/2020 03:17AM

You can check this portable coffee maker as an alternative:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1KjrIC_pjU

Its from Caffe2go

It works on batteries so you can take it anywhere you like.
And it also heats ups the coffee while using a battery unlike others :-)

adam

12/30/2020 10:10AM

Diego: "I haven't been able to log in for a month as well. I only tried by phone, and finally today, the site came up. I figured it was happening to everyone. No bad posts from me."

You and Jason probably work for the same organization. Same batch of IPs.

Minnesotian

01/01/2021 06:31PM

Williams and Hall Outfitter on Moose Lake outside of Ely. Dave is always behind the desk and has a wealth of knowledge on where to go and what to fish for by using what bait. I have used them for getting a tow up to Prairie Portage on every solo trip I have done. I usually ask for the earliest tow possible in the morning and they are always very eager to accommodate my request.

They have a range of bunks from rooms for your whole party to single bunks for when you show up late. I usually show up there at 10pm or later and they always have the room unlocked and ready for me to crash out in.

If you stick around for the morning breakfast, it is top notch. Bacon, eggs, omelets, pancakes, you know, the usual good breakfast.

The showers are hot, not just lake warm, but hot. Very nice after a long trip. Towels are provided.

Haven't had to rent any of their gear, but I wouldn't hesitate based on the rest of their service. They have kevler canoes as well as aluminum.

Williams and Hall Outfitter

GraniteCliffs

01/01/2021 07:45PM

I suspect most of the outfitters are pretty darn good. I only use them for a bunkhouse and tow but also use Williams and Hall. Great bunkhouse, the staff are all extremely pleasant and helpful and the hot shower and sometimes free beer on the return is especially appreciated. Dave is great behind the desk---nice calm guy with a can do attitude.

Wally13

01/03/2021 09:28AM

I have always had great service and accommodations with Canadian Border Outfitters (CBO) on Moose Lake in Ely and Seagull Outfitters on the Gunflint Trail.

Grizzlyman

01/02/2021 09:18AM

djwillco

01/02/2021 09:48AM

Minnesotian

01/02/2021 12:08PM

GraniteCliffs: "I suspect most of the outfitters are pretty darn good. I only use them for a bunkhouse and tow but also use Williams and Hall. Great bunkhouse, the staff are all extremely pleasant and helpful and the hot shower and sometimes free beer on the return is especially appreciated. Dave is great behind the desk---nice calm guy with a can do attitude. "

Agreed. Williams and Hall are good.

zoefoster

01/18/2021 03:35AM

they have variety of sports bags at the lowest price, have a look https://www.ustradeent.com/brand/augusta_sportswear.html

etienne

01/18/2021 07:18PM

Ok, thanks. Sorry I didn’t get it to correct forum. Etienne

RunningFox

01/21/2021 11:23PM

Milk me.

pswith5

05/21/2021 05:29AM

Bye bye

nctry

01/28/2021 02:47PM

Savage Voyageur: "R1verrunner: "I don't feel bad about using my senior pass at the parks after paying taxes for 40 some years.Most seniors have earned it."

He’s right you know^^^

"

I know !!

tumblehome

02/20/2022 06:57AM

billconner: "The software is definitely getting old."

Be careful what you wish for.
I can only imagine how many people are going to gasp in horror if Adam updates the forum to the common forum software many other sites have gone to. I do like the unique identity this forum has compared to the others.

I think Adam pretty much wrote the code for this forum on his own.

Tom

Kampynkate

03/17/2021 09:14PM

pswith5

03/23/2021 03:23PM

Yeah, as soon as I push off at EP

yogi59weedr

03/24/2021 12:26AM

How do you break up that group of 20-30 people for all entering at the same entry point.
A church group shouldn't be any different then an average Joe applying for a permit.

Can of worms opened....

plander

03/27/2021 05:13PM

Anderson’s in Crane Lake

AluminumBarge

03/27/2021 07:13PM

Definitely recommend Anderson’s in Crane Lake.

alpinebrule

03/31/2021 08:47AM

So that means you have nothing constructive or factual to say if all you can do is heckle.

Stumpy

03/31/2021 02:43AM

Canoearoo: "It's just 4 classes: Intro to the BWCA, Bwca tips and tricks, better BWCA cooking and stopping mining"
I think I'll show up and heckle the stop mining speaker.

fairmatt

04/03/2021 10:24PM

CardinalNation: "Zup's Fishing Resort & Canoe Outfitters

http://zupsresort.com/
"

Last year we used Zups for a tow and they seemed VERY grateful for the business. With the border closed I'm sure they would appreciate yours too.

Spartan2

02/21/2022 03:15PM

double post. Sorry.

Blatz

05/20/2021 07:33PM

yellowcanoe

05/21/2021 07:47AM

seems this thread ought to go bye bye.

Argo

05/20/2021 06:21PM

goatroti

05/21/2021 05:03AM

woodsandwater: "What has happened to the Canadians? My Mum was born there and I have relatives across the Provinces. Their Covid restrictions are beyond the pale and are dictatorial. Pastors arrested in Alberta for holding worship services. Churches fenced off. Restrictions in Manitoba on how many guests you can have in your home, even if they are extended family. In Ontario you can only shop for "essential" items and there are restrictions on outdoor activities. The Canadians used to be a brave, strong people. Now they are sheep bowing to insane government restrictions. Shameful."

The Pastors are criminals like the rest of the fools who go to church and believe their gawd will protect them from this supposed fake flu. The worst kind of sheep. As for Americans, if we're going to make generalizations... I can't say it, but I shake my head everyday. Every single day I am amazed by how far your country has sunk. Sad.

Here it is for you flag wavin', Pastor worshippin', constitution quotin' sideline critics. Canada is the greatest country in the world "to live in". Nuff said re: your idiotic remarks.

outsidethebox

07/06/2021 07:00AM

Stumpy: "It being a product of public television, Uof M, and other environmental groups, I consider it biased at best, and most likely fake news."

Wow!!! Just, WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our individual well-being is fully dependent upon the interaction and cooperation of groups of people. Heaven help you.

plander

02/20/2023 08:57PM

There is another website that has Quetico campsite reviews.

TuscaroraBorealis

12/13/2023 02:58PM

fjallravn

05/21/2019 03:14AM

I love Instragram! I'm @fjall. Instagram is great not only because there are so many talented people but also because unlike FB it has got cool services like https://zen-promo.com/follow_bot_instagram so you won't have to wait till your account becomes popular in 1000 years :D I subscribed to all of you!

ozarkpaddler

06/30/2019 10:15PM

sorry double post

Togolance

10/21/2023 04:47AM

Bummer for me , I'm done trying to buy boats on here, it's just a nightmare

missmolly

08/22/2019 02:54PM

inspector13: "
You missed one. : )"

Thanks. Fixed.

barehook

08/21/2019 03:40PM

Frenchy19

04/13/2023 10:04AM

You might want to list a price.

tumblehome

03/18/2022 06:08PM

Just wait, the moderators will delete this pretty soon. Totally inappropriate for this forum. Delete delete delete!!!!

CRBoyer

03/17/2022 08:15PM

Okay. Thx.

Jackfish

02/15/2022 02:20PM

wannabeoutthere

03/21/2019 03:15PM

Rs130754: "We are going to try and lighten the load for our second trip. We are cutting what we bring but also trying to lighten what we do bring. Last year we had chicken pouches and the 90 second rice packs which were a hit. I bought a dehydrator and am still getting used to rehydrating things. My question is could I take this rice pack and dehydrate it down and maybe add dehydrated canned chicken breast? If so what is the preferred way to rehydrate? I am thinking of just buying freeze dried meat and adding it to things I can dehydrate off the shelf. "

I would suggest dehydrating your own meat. Ground beef and canned chicken are easy to dehydrate and re-hydrating them is even easier. You can cook a normal meal of ground beef, rice and mixed vegetables with red sauce at home. Eat some for diner then dehydrate the rest of it.

At camp put it all in a pot of water over the stove or fire, let it boil for 15-25 minutes then eat.

Very simple process and tastes better than the freeze dried food. Email me if you have any questions. Also, look for info on this website.

TomT

03/06/2008 10:36PM

edit

Hub

04/20/2023 10:24AM

**Double post

yogi59weedr

08/21/2019 06:01PM

Won't stop me. If I have a trip like dat I'm gonna let the world know.

traumaboy

03/23/2019 04:49PM

what the other posters say is true, there aren't a ton of videos out there, and the videos they have mentioned are the great ones! Shug is fun, nibimocs is fun in a different way, I really liked Maddy the Goose.

Side mention, MyOwnFrontier has the most beautiful, calming, and amazing videos out there in my opinion. Watch a few of his vids and beamazed! Easy to see how it wouldn't be possible to film the way he does in the BWCA.

One of my fav things about the BWCA is preparing noobies beforehand, and then showing them the ropes when we're actually out there. Everyone is appreciative, eager to learn themselves, I gotta say it's fun to watch others learn how to set up a tarp or cook fresh fish.

WonderMonkey

05/10/2019 03:01PM

Whoops, meant to put this in "Gear"

Jackfish

05/10/2019 03:13PM

Jackfish

02/04/2024 01:22PM

Canoeingwithkids…. I’m going to move this thread to the Listening Point General forum. Don’t want you to think it got deleted. Let me know that you saw this.

Gaidin53

01/25/2022 02:36PM

I just got this email from Northern Tier. Not sure if you’d meet the requirements but figured I’d pass it in since it is a new program with the, this year.

Ryan

https://mailchi.mp/95f0708a97b0/northern-tier-self-outfitted-trips?e=99d8ed26af

Northern Tier’s Outfitting Program
Northern Tier is offering a new program beginning in 2022. This program will allow for crews, with previous Northern Tier experience to participate in a canoe trip, utilizing their own leadership. Northern Tier can assist with full outfitting of the trip or just providing minimal equipment for the trip, based on the needs of the crew. All crews will need to complete a request form which will determine their eligibility to participate. If eligible, crews will be able to choose from a few options for outfitting their trip.
All crews utilizing Northern Tier’s Outfitting Services must meet all Boy Scouts of America Youth Protection and Guide to Safe Scouting requirements for the trip, as well as the US Forest Service and/or Quetico Provincial Parks Regulations.
Each crew must provide the following leadership:
Two registered adult leaders 21 years of age or over are required at all Scouting activities, including meetings. There must be a registered female adult leader 21 years of age or over in every unit serving females. A registered female adult leader 21 years of age or over must be present for any activity involving female youth.
2 participants must have completed Wilderness First Aid Training or equivalent (minimum 16-hour in person course) through an approved vendor.
One adult must have previously participated in a traditional Northern Tier summer expedition. This expedition must have taken place within 3 years of the requested upcoming trip.
At least one adult that has completed the following trainings:
Hazardous Weather Training
Safe Swim Defense
Safety Afloat
All participants age 18 and older must have current youth protection training certificate.
Any crew booking a trip utilizing Northern Tier canoes, will be required to go through 3 online orientation sessions prior to the trip. These virtual sessions will be scheduled throughout the months of March-May and will walk the crew through the required Northern Tier, USFS and Quetico Parks requirements prior to entering wilderness areas.
To make a reservation for an outfitted trip through Norther Tier:
Review the menu of options and select the option that fits your needs best. You can choose from fully outfitted or partially outfitted options.
Visit https://www.ntier.org/northern-tier-outfitting-program/ to fill out an outfitting application. If your crew meets the minimum requirements, a Northern Tier staff member will reach out to you, to complete your booking.
Voyageur Brigade Package
Fully Outfitted Canoe Trip
Standard Northern Tier Program and Outfitting, the only thing missing is the interpreter!
Lightweight – Kevlar Option
$90 per person, per day
(minimum 4 people/2 canoes) Aluminum Canoe Option
$80 per person, per day
(minimum 4 people/2 canoes)
Northern Will Provide: Northern Will Provide:
We no nah Champlain Canoes each with 3 seats

Alumacraft Canoes, each with 2 seats (duffer pads provided for a 3rd paddler in each canoe)
Paddles (straight or bent shaft)

Paddles (straight or bent shaft)
Old Towne Life Jackets

Old Towne Life Jackets
Alps Outfitter Tents (2 man or 4 man)

Alps Outfitter Tents (2 man or 4 man)
Aluminum Cook Kit with Utensils

Aluminum Cook Kit with Utensils
Rain Fly

Rain Fly
Fire Grate and Griddle

Fire Grate and Griddle
Granite Gear Personal Gear Packs with liner bags

Granite Gear Personal Gear Packs with liner bags
Kondos Food and Equipment Packs with liner bags

Kondos Food and Equipment Packs with liner bags
Rope system for Hanging Bear Bag

Rope system for Hanging Bear Bag
Trail Food (see menu)

Trail Food (see menu)
Camp Saw

Camp Saw
Trowel

Trowel
Paracord for Misc needs

Paracord for Misc needs
2 - MSR Whisperlite Stoves

2 - MSR Whisperlite Stoves
Satellite Phone or Emergency Radio (Northern Tier will issue the appropriate device for the itinerary you submit.)

Satellite Phone or Emergency Radio (Northern Tier will issue the appropriate device for the itinerary you submit.)
Cabin Space on arrival day and cabin space on last day of trip

Cabin Space on arrival day and cabin space on last day of trip
Dining Hall meals at the start and end of trip

Dining Hall meals at the start and end of trip
Participation in Closing Rendezvous program

Participation in Closing Rendezvous program
Permit Booking
BWCAW – booking and issuing fees covered through this
Quetico – booking fees covered, unit is responsible for remaining camping fees paid at the time you enter the park.

Permit Booking
BWCAW – booking and issuing fees covered through this
Quetico – booking fees covered, unit is responsible for remaining camping fees paid at the time you enter the park.

*Recommended 3 canoes per crew, but a maximum of 4 canoes per crew is available. *Recommended 3 canoes per crew, but a maximum of 4 canoes per crew is available.

Food Only Option ($30 per person, per day):
Breakfast
Lunch
Dinner
Hot and Cold Drinks
Snacks and Dinner Dessert
Food Pack, Liner Bag and Bear Bag Hanging System
The Northern Tier Menu will be provided once reservation is made and deposit is paid. Crew will have the meal options as laid out on the menu. Orders must be placed by April 15, to be outfitted for the summer season. Northern Tier will provide standard meal fare. A preliminary menu can be found here https://www.ntier.org/northern-tier-outfitting-program/

A la Carte Rental Options
Canoe – Wenonah Champlain – 18 ft Kevlar with 3 seats* $42 per canoe per day
Canoe – Alumacraft – 18 ft Aluminum with 2 seats* $25 per canoe per day
Portage Pack - Granite Gear Trad 4 with liner bag $5 per day per pack
Food Pack - Kondos with liner bag and bear bag ropes $8 per day per pack
Satellite Phone – limited availability $25 per day
* Canoe Rentals include lifejackets and paddles for up to 3 persons per canoe. Northern Tier will verify permit status and rent only the number of canoes allowed for by that permit.

Jackfish

01/28/2022 12:28PM

Jackfish

01/28/2022 12:29PM

bump

KarlBAndersen1

01/29/2022 11:53AM

Being an amateur photographer myself, and the son of a father who was a professional photographer his entire life, I will say that "photography" isn't JUST taking a picture.
What ends up hanging on the wall almost always - and always has - included post-picture-taking processes.
Not to mention the fact that not only now, but when we used film, even the photo taken is rarely natural. (And few cameras these days can shoot "raw" images)
Shutter speed, aperture, light sensitivity, different film, exposure, etc. etc. all change the image right at the camera! And that's before we even get to the dark room/image processing.
It is what it is.

3Ball

01/29/2022 12:39PM

Some post shot work makes the photo seem even more true to the image that the photographer saw, some of it is too much for my tastes. It seems that the whole package, the photography and the processing, are all fair game. I didn't like some because to me they were too much.

Congrats to all who had photos selected.

Jackfish

01/30/2022 10:47AM

SummerSkin

02/02/2022 12:26PM

Bwana: "Jackfish: "The bottom line is this... you can't. RABC permits aren't being offered and the Sand Point Canadian Customs station is closed. You couldn't enter with an RABC permit alone anyway (you have to stop at a ranger station to pick up your permit) and the Sand Point customs station is WAY too far of a paddle to even consider.

Sorry, but you're out of luck with Plan A.

Now, if you'd like to do a Plan B, you could drive to International Falls, cross the border into Fort Frances, thereby passing through Customs, then drive 1-1/2 hours east to Flanders Road, turn south and drive the 45 miles on gravel to the Lac La Croix ranger station, pick up your permit and go into Quetico that way."

So let me get this straight, The closest ranger station by water is Lac La Croix. If Canada does begin allowing RABC permits, can we paddle to that station across the international border to pick up our Park permit and show our RABC; then enter enter the southern border points? Currently, it appears from the Quetico permitting online site, that no permits for all of the park have been released - is that true also - even through Prairie Portage. Sorry for my confused questioning. "

No.

You MUST either 1) check in with customs when crossing the border, or 2) have a RABC permit when crossing the border.

Only after this requirement has been satisfied can you cross the border and check in with a Canada ranger station to enter the Q.

There is no customs station on your route (and the closest one has been indefinitely closed), and the RABC program has been suspended with no end in sight as others have mentioned.

So unless you drive around and cross the border in your vehicle to do a northern entry into the Quetico, you will not be visiting it this year (unless something changes).

coffeetalk

02/07/2022 12:02PM

Double post

blutofish1

04/30/2020 02:01PM

Jackfish: "Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice... I can almost taste the fish fry."I think we may have met at Angelos a few years back during copia

Argo

04/12/2022 09:26PM

campnfish: "Doesn't sound temporary looking at the post."

You're right. Very sad.

Guest Guest

03/29/2019 07:22PM

How you define hell

DownStrm

04/17/2022 04:18PM

He is risen indeed!
See you on the high ground.

UPBoy

04/19/2022 10:34AM

Just canceled a Little Indian Sioux permit for Tuesday, August 2. Was able to pick up the desired date of August 1 thru the open permit alert system.

nooneuno

03/29/2019 09:13PM

jhb8426: "I really don't understand why these drive by, anonymous posts are allowed here. Most other forums I'm on require you to be a registered member for posting."
Non members and future members often have interesting questions or contributions that are posted without having a registered account and most members are gladly willing to jump in and help with answers, I see no problem with that as it adds to the discussion. Unfortunately what we have here is a whiny little b#@ch that was apparently banned for not being able to follow the simple rules and who feels instead he should have been awarded a participation trophy to display on the shelf in his mothers basement with all the others....

nooneuno

03/29/2019 07:50PM

Guest Guest: "How you define hell"

Always a bridesmaid, never a bride......

jhb8426

03/29/2019 09:11PM

I really don't understand why these drive by, anonymous posts are allowed here. Most other forums I'm on require you to be a registered member for posting.

adam

03/30/2019 12:04PM

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LittoralZone

01/23/2020 11:24AM

Still Available!

bwcadan

03/30/2019 06:49PM

If you want to use the kayaks, there are plenty of entry lakes to choose. Check any overview map and you can see that portages can be completely eliminated. Solitude can be achieved in back bays.

Odd equipment often overlooked: Take one bug whacker for each tent. Best and cleanest way to eliminate mosquitoes in the tent. Keep it wrapped in plastic to insure dryness.

thegildedgopher

04/29/2020 08:04PM

VNO Just posted to their Facebook page that camp stoves will be allowed beginning May 5.

thegildedgopher

04/29/2020 08:05PM

According to VNO...

Tomcat

09/21/2019 09:05AM

LittoralZone

03/01/2020 06:44PM

Still available!

cknlg1

04/01/2019 05:53PM

TTT

MidwestFirecraft

05/07/2020 09:26PM

RustyBoldt1: "I will probably get blasted for this, but some of us are dealing with grief from the loss of friends or family. Others are trying to keep their family businesses going and avoid bankruptcy. Whining about only getting to have day permits for the 2 weeks until May 18 and only allowing camp stoves, well makes me sad to hear. Selfish, self centered? Some folks are fighting for their lives, not a BWCA permit."
"This site is dedicated to the sharing of information and experiences about the Boundary Waters Canoe Area and Quetico Park for canoe, camping, and outdoor enthusiasts."

Harv

05/07/2020 09:01PM

goatroti

04/19/2020 06:58AM

From the Premier of Ontario...

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/i-don-t-want-them-in-ontario-premier-ford-fires-back-after-trump-suggests-loosening-border-1.4899199?fbclid=IwAR23CmHDq6i4GvxRHXrMOgkG7AwSA-7ZPbZUVnpAXu7px6jmNh0QvCH8lYo

Bushpilot

04/01/2020 04:41AM

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TuscaroraBorealis

12/13/2023 02:57PM

Teenda

03/11/2018 11:31AM

DownStrm

06/26/2023 08:20AM

bhouse46: "Have you checked with Fin and Feather?"
Double post.

duluthgearexchange

06/26/2023 12:11PM

Hey, my name's Nils Anderson and I own a consignment store in Duluth, MN named Duluth Gear Exchange. A consignor saw your post and forwarded it to me. If you're interested, here's a link to our consignment policies: https://www.duluthgearexchange.com/DGE.pdf

We find that canoes and paddling gear tend to fly off the shelf. Feel free to email if you'd like to chat further: duluthgearexchange@gmail.com

Thanks!

MReid

06/26/2023 01:33PM

It's all a ruse. Quetico doesn't exist. BWCA is where it's at. Oh yeah, and then there's the Canadian factor, too. There's gotta be a reason there's a border.

Jackfish

04/04/2019 09:57AM

Claire... it appears that you need to have a discussion with Harlan at Red Lake Outfitters to clear up some misunderstandings. Please do so. Nothing good ever comes from letting a problem fester. Thank you.

Butonus

06/30/2023 03:09PM

Man these federalies must got something up their butonus. It rained for 5 out of 7 days and with steady out look, cloud cover and milder Temps and regular showers. But nooooooooo, we can't let you do nuffin! They must have some new nillies in town. It's upsetting they can't analyze the situation like professionals are supposed to.

tonecoughlin

08/09/2023 06:54PM

Not sure, I'm at home.

LesliesDad

08/29/2023 04:12PM

Scroll down. Click on the "Add a photo to this message." It is right above the "Submit" comment box. :-)

LesliesDad

08/29/2023 04:02PM

Binnykip3

08/31/2023 01:08AM

Binnykip3

08/31/2023 01:19AM

Sunrise through the mist on Cherokee lake

Bushpilot

05/14/2020 04:30PM

The FS has already drop the ball. The website should have been updated by 9am this morning. The problem is no one in the state can make the call it has to come from the top. D.C, so to speak and they never have seemed to care to much. Many local people are employed by the FS and have nothing good to say about those ruling at the top.

bobbernumber3

07/04/2023 07:51PM

jillpine

08/11/2019 07:54PM

Basspro69

06/04/2020 11:21PM

ZaraSp00k: "if you do, take 35E and avoid all other freeway in metro area

you never know what the protesters are going to do, in fact they often change their own plans, and considering Walz, Frey, and Melvin say they will protect the protesters right to protest and make no mention of protecting anybody else's rights . "
Hummmmmmm. Seems a small price to pay for some people’s rights being dismissed for centuries. I’m disgusted by this response !

MidwestFirecraft

05/14/2020 04:53PM

thlipsis29: "If you publish dates, have your "ducks in a row."
Completely agree. I would not be in business very long if I ran things like the Forest Service.

landoftheskytintedwater

05/14/2020 04:58PM

The majority of these comments aren’t updates: just venting. Makes the thread way less useful for people trying to access information.

KarlBAndersen1

05/14/2020 05:34PM

So it looks like until at least the 31st we might be able to GO IN and camp - but I guess we had better have a place to stay the night before.
Because hotels and campgrounds are off limits.
That's gonna be tricky.

slickvb82

05/14/2020 04:49PM

@Mike

I agree they botched the May 4th update. As someone else mentioned though, this goes to DC for final decisions, and they are managing how many national and state areas? With how many Gov orders? Not to mention the numerous directions Walz (or other Gov) could have gone. Just my opinion but you can’t possibly expect them to have that many contingency plans in place.

As long as they have it out by EOW it’s plenty of time for Mon permits.

Tony

04/05/2019 11:02PM

Just a little friendly bump. Only a month away

Tony

Ahahn366

09/19/2023 06:29PM

I da know, a Subaru? :)

Purtman

02/07/2020 11:51PM

Thanks!

moray

02/08/2024 08:13AM

cid:18d890fad8a76ed60c11

Cummings lake

Jackfish

04/07/2019 11:13AM

Marten: "For the sake of WCPP, Red Lake Outfitters, Ontario Parks, Harlan and Claire I ask that this issue is put to rest. As a fan of WCPP with great memories of awesome canoe trips in the park I ask this. Those trips involved a lot of assistance from Harlan and Claire. Another paddling season is fast approaching and for the sake of all human beings involved I would love to see this not aired on social media but over a cup of coffee at Tim Hortans. Do it for WCPP."
What Marten said... +1,000,000.

Harlan, please stop. Claire and any others at WCPP, please respond to Harlan, but not here. In private.

plander

05/29/2023 12:17PM

Duplicate

Gaidin53

05/06/2022 01:58PM

It’s a different site which I can’t say the name of on here. A lot of us use it for planning trips. Gives distances and distances paddled, and portage distances. It’s a lot of mapping options and a second source for campsite reviews and such.

Ryan

ericinely

05/06/2022 02:19PM

edorival: "Anybody looking for a good Ely area ice report:

https://youtube.com/shorts/6OL4T3docCM?feature=share

Things are looking good."

Here's a clickable link:

Ely Ice Report 5/5/2022

Northwoodsman

05/06/2022 03:05PM

Gaidin53: "It’s a different site which I can’t say the name of on here. A lot of us use it for planning trips. Gives distances and distances paddled, and portage distances. It’s a lot of mapping options and a second source for campsite reviews and such.
Ryan"
Not just any trip but the kind where you paddle.

I would grab one of the available permits while you still can, probably a Monday one in case you are running late. Camp someplace nearby the night before, or grab a bunkhouse or hotel.

joeablan

05/06/2022 01:55PM

Thanks Ryan, What is PP?

dentondoc

04/07/2019 05:52PM

double post --- delete

MagicPaddler

04/07/2019 08:13PM

I agree that the first place it should be handled is in private. Harlan has stated he has tried that and got nowhere. He stated he sent emails up the chain of command and got no satisfaction. Hopefully airing this here will convince the park to have a discussion with Harlan.
I would love to see a post by several of the Ontario officials who failed to respond to this problem and Harlan stating that there has been an agreement between then that they all agree to live within.

billconner

04/07/2019 08:38PM

Based on my experience, I would never expect any government entity or employee to respond to any constituent inquiry like this in a timely fashion. Probably measured in months. And demanding a quick response will only slow it down.

Bushpilot

06/03/2020 02:22PM

Please educate me, I always try to listen more than I talk.

Who supposedly shut down the freeway? I am just a common man of the earth, but I didn't
think a mayor or governor could shut down a federal freeway.

"scraping the very bottom of the bullshit barrel these days. '

Are you referring to me? Maybe I will just stay away from this forum for a while. I was just trying to help. I will not stoop to your level. I see another thread you have angry feelings.

thegildedgopher

07/25/2022 10:22AM

Way to persevere, Luigi! I think this is the dog that the owner was quite convinced was stolen on a portage?

jwartman59

04/27/2019 04:02PM

oopps

OMGitsKa

05/13/2020 05:25PM

Rumor is the shelter in place expires Monday! No gatherings larger than 10 people. Some places to open!

https://twitter.com/Stowydad/status/1260679127838986240

ernursebwca

04/12/2019 05:41AM

How long do you guys think until CCS is one of the businesses we refer to in posts like these? Think about it...it's a brand that doesn't readily escape the midwest, super-niche and rather expensive (worth it imo), and his wife and business partner recently passed away...

Either he retires and lets CCS retire with him, or he sells the name Kelty or something like that. I might buy a 3rd tarp just for "the future"!

Zwater

07/16/2019 09:12PM

Bushpilot: "Stop this now. It is 2019 and ALL species are welcome. This fish hate has to stop."

Nice:)

Jackfish

06/10/2023 09:52PM

What TZ said.

No worries. We’ll be moving this to the Items for Sale and Wanted forum. Good luck selling your canoe.

amhacker22

06/11/2023 06:44AM

$9000 when it was new? That seems incredibly high. A new stealth 18 is just over 1/2 of that today.

What is it that makes this one so special?

DukeC

06/11/2023 07:31AM

missmolly: "DukeC: "x2"

Another non-contributor. " Fair enough Karen. I will go back into the woods and stay away from this site! I just joined and did not know I would be shamed for not forking over $$$$$ from the git go. I just wanted to share some info I had to offer and see what others had to say.

BellCanoe

06/11/2023 10:02AM

amhacker22: "$9000 when it was new? That seems incredibly high. A new stealth 18 is just over 1/2 of that today.

What is it that makes this one so special?"Thank you. I stand corrected! I purchased the Bell eleven years ago from the original owner. The price I quoted was all I could find on the internet - obviously outrageously wrong. Searching further this morning for price information I did finally find a 1999 Bell catalog. The Northwoods then was listed at $2000. I do not know the year of manufacture but mine is red and in the early 2000s red was not available as an option anymore. Bell Canoe Works opened in 1988 I believe, so this canoe was from the 1990s. Of course, $2000 back then would be around $4000 today.

What I do know is that these high end canoes were hand made by Mr. Bell, a former flat water and downriver canoe champion. I guided for a camp in the BWCA in the 1970s and always intended to return for another long trip. Life took me in a different direction and it has mostly been hanging in my garage for years. Complete specs from the 1999 catalog are available in the link below.

https://solocanoes.com/flip/solo-bell-cat-1999/index.html

timatkn

06/11/2023 08:18AM

amhacker22: "$9000 when it was new? That seems incredibly high. A new stealth 18 is just over 1/2 of that today.

What is it that makes this one so special?"

I was curious about this as well. Not trying to question the OP, more out of curiosity.

T

Tomcat

04/30/2019 12:02PM

deepwater

05/01/2019 04:18PM

Talked to clear water lodge yesterday and they don't think Clearwater will be open.

SaganagaJoe

06/14/2023 11:20AM

CLRLYdotcom: "How likely is it this fire was also intentionally started? Here's the Bitchute link to evidence showing the Canadian fires were not naturally started:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/lUBjHpc822rH/

What's the best map to see satellite imagery from BWCA yesterday to try to determine this? Really hope this is contained and doesn't affect Knife or Kek... so upsetting...
"

Or Ester. Darn. And I may have to push my BWCA trip to next year due to other variables.

I guess this is the new normal.

I think I'll be aiming for swing season trips from now on.

Pinetree

06/14/2023 11:21AM

Pinetree

06/14/2023 10:43AM

Fire

CLRLYdotcom

06/14/2023 11:14AM

How likely is it this fire was also intentionally started? Here's the Bitchute link to evidence showing the Canadian fires were not naturally started:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/lUBjHpc822rH/

What's the best map to see satellite imagery from BWCA yesterday to try to determine this? Really hope this is contained and doesn't affect Knife or Kek... so upsetting...

jwmiller39

06/14/2023 12:25PM

toastedmarshmallow12: "
Fire grows faster downwind but it also burns through fuels on all sides and it can spot out ahead of the main fire as well."

let's get information from the experts and not a random person looking at a map with very little detail.

bsabel8

02/08/2024 01:11PM

We are going in at EP 32 and are working with Riverpoint Outfitting Co. They have accommodations on site. Very easy to work with. Jane and Steve have been great. Very knowledgeable. https://elyoutfitters.com/

HowardSprague

02/08/2024 03:58PM

bsabel8: "We are going in at EP 32 and are working with Riverpoint Outfitting Co. They have accommodations on site. Very easy to work with. Jane and Steve have been great. Very knowledgeable. https://elyoutfitters.com/

"
That's what I said - that or Duane's - but you'll prob be edited/non-sponsor, FYI.

barracuda

03/22/2014 04:31PM

EP 16 up to LLC, Iron, Crooked out at Mudro? Much of the trip would be similar, Curtain Falls instead of Basswood.

Here is a LINK

mjmkjun

05/10/2019 02:24AM

dbl post

ZaraSp00k

07/19/2019 07:05AM

preacherdave: "Here we go again"

at least we won't be hearing from a certain someone

Jackfish

03/09/2023 08:28AM

LarryS48

07/28/2022 12:18AM

A1t2o

04/07/2023 09:18AM

tumblehome: "

None of what you wrote makes any sense. None of it. I can’t possibly write it any other way. The beauty of humans is we usually think independently and therefore have different opinions.

Tom"

What they are getting at is that everyone else is talking about how their favorite outfitter goes above and beyond. That is what the thread is about. You brought politics into it... If political affiliation is what it takes to get your business, then that is your choice, but I might recommend leaving it off the thread.

ekffazr

05/29/2019 12:22PM

Spookmeister

08/08/2022 08:06PM

Enjoyed your trip report. By the way, that sweet and sour walleye looks great! Care to share your recipe?

Bushwacker

05/30/2019 02:11PM

joewildlife: "QueticoMike: "I had a barbed treble hook go throw a finger while trying to lip a smallmouth that decided to make one last leap and came down on the side of my finger. So then I had this big smallmouth thrashing around on one hook while the other hook was stuck into the side of one of my fingers. My partner didn't want to help on extracting the lure until he got a picture of the fish and my hand.

I was up on Kawnipi. Too far to paddle out for help and had no means to call for an emergency extraction. I showed my fishing partner how to pull a hook out using fishing line. His first attempt failed and hurt like hell. The second attempt got 'er done, didn't flinch or make a noise. Then I just poured a little vodka over it, took a shot for medicinal purposes and started fishing again. "

Reminds me of a trip I made to Wabaskang with a friend who worked in the ER. I buried a treble in my hand and he pulled it out with dental floss while pushing down on the hook, and it worked great.

I grind all my barbs down, as required in Quetico. But I do the same for trips to WCPP as well, at least the treble hooks, for my own safety. Not necessarily the single hook jigs, in WCPP. I don't see any difference in catch rates with barbless trebles, but definitely see the difference with jigs, especially with smallmouth who know exactly how to throw a barbless jig back at you!

back to the OP...I've never been checked by anybody in 11 or 12 trips in BWCA/Quetico/WCPP, so I wouldn't know. But I think I'll leave my MAGA hat at home just in case :)

Joe

"

Just follow the rules and wear your MAGA hat proudly. Just have your camera ready to film illegal activity. Liberals are capable of anything these days.

scat

05/30/2019 05:30PM

Shrooms. Oh man, that sounds tasty. Do they still make LSD. That stuff is the bomb. Still want to go on one more acid trip before I croak. Not a priority, but if you put a bit of purple microdot in front of my face right now I could make it disappear in a sec.

As always, cheers, scat

Blackdogyak

08/13/2023 07:03PM

gotwins: "I think I have 7, as well as 4 suitcase stoves. I love the 200A single mantles the best. They come along on every car camping trip we take (not all 7, just 2 or 3!). I haven't done a BWCA trip later than August, but when I do take a September or October trip, I'll bring one along. The plastic hard cases really help keep them safe. We did do a trip on the Allagash in Maine in late September about 15 years ago and we had one of mine along on that trip, and it was worth its weight in gold. Plus, there weren't really any portages to worry about. I love the hiss, and the nice golden glow, and the ritual of lighting them, rebuilding old ones I find, and the nice slow shutdown glow."

,??

pcallies

03/25/2022 09:19AM

Have any of you heard whether the southwestern part of the park will be closed, as it was last fall?

1lookout

01/26/2020 10:39AM

Scottiman shoot me an e-mail, I do these shuttles all the time for a lot less.
I do it for fun. Hate to take away business from my friends
Cedarsitter@frontiernet.net

northerncanoe

05/12/2023 09:37PM

Hey MD,

Your canoe looks great and the price is super fair. I would have bought it at the current price for sure, but I already bought another canoe before yours was posted.

I sold my MN2 a few weeks ago, I had it posted on the bwca forums and had one interested person, at the same time I also posted it on Facebook Marketplace. On FB Marketplace, I had interested people within 10 minutes of posting. I ended up with a list of 17 people who wanted to buy the canoe. It was kind of amazing and I realized that I probably priced the canoe too low, but the canoe provided me with so much joy over the years that I wanted to pay it forward, so the sale price did not matter much to me. In the end, a young couple that loves the bwcaw bought it and hopefully they will have many great trips ahead of them.

I would have preferred to sell my canoe here on the forums because I really value what Adam has created, but at the end of the day, you get so many more views on FB Marketplace. Also, many of us already have one or more canoes in their fleet, so as your canoe is a great deal, the potential buyers are less. I would assume that your canoe would also get picked up by the FB group North American Canoe Traders and reposted there as well (talk about nutty canoe people, haha!).

I hope you sell your canoe soon before I end up with a second canoe to add to my stack of bikes....

Good Luck.

Mike

05/13/2023 06:31AM

I appreciate the advice. I have not been on Facebook for years. I will get my wife right on it! She's the expert. Never knew they had a Marketplace for selling stuff. Leaving for BWCA Monday, so when I get back the following Sunday I'll have her post on Facebook. Thanks again for the idea!

Mark

mschi772

09/12/2022 10:51PM

Kampynkate: "In reference why campers carry guns? Because we can. "

More annoying than vegans who never miss a chance to talk about being vegan are gun-owners who go out of there way to identify as gun-carriers and remind everyone that it is their/our right without anything more substantial to say.

Carry your gun. I don't give a crap. I don't and have never owned a gun. I don't plan to either unless I start heading into *really* remote bear country or polar bear territory, and then I wouldn't carry anything smaller than a .45-70, 0.450 Marlin, or 12-ga. Even then, I would still carry spray also. Outside of such extreme circumstances, from a camping perspective and ignoring all of my other disinterest in guns, a gun just seems like useless weight for a wilderness trip.

If people who are practiced and safe with firearms want to rely on them for safety, fine; great. I'm not entirely sure that's the wise choice, but gun people tend to be very fond of "Let me do what I want!" so I will.

The bottom line for this thread as far as I'm concerned is that there are bold, dangerous bears around again this year and that we all need to be much more careful and responsible out there.

walllee

09/13/2022 02:35PM

Around 630 miles…

cyclones30

09/14/2022 05:43PM

What price?

cyclones30

09/14/2022 05:44PM

where is meet locally or pickup?

mfliehr

09/14/2022 08:33PM

Listing has been updated. Sorry for the inconvenience

Jackfish

09/14/2022 09:14PM

MikeinMpls: "Quetico is calling you, Mike. :)"
oh.... I hear it loud and clear (pun somewhat intended.) I may reach out for some basic information.

Mike"

Any time, Mike.

Pinetree

09/20/2022 09:22PM

GTA post served no purpose here.

Moonbeam

09/22/2022 03:05PM

bwcasolo

06/05/2019 07:35AM

bwcasolo: "In a zip lock bag, I put 1 cup organic flour, baking powder, garlic powder and onion powder. This is my Cache Lake copy cat recipe. For breakfast, I substitute cinnamon and sugar for the garlic, onion powders.

In the bag, I add water and mix in bag. I make it a consistency of a little thicker than pancake batter. Cut a small corner out of the bag and squeeze onto the pan. They come out thick and golden and so yummy.

It's so much easier with the thinner batter and it comes out better and a more even piece of bannock, which is really just a thick pancake."

MagicMan1

10/06/2022 06:43PM

bump

Frenchy19

10/15/2022 04:35PM

Post this on the lost and found forum.

Gaidin53

10/14/2022 10:51AM

Hopefully now that the mapping is available with trip planning features and campsites on the other website. I can’t name it! Hopefully people with knowledge will review campsites and portages so that can become a better resource.

I know. I went through after Quetico this year and reviewed campsites and put in information on portages that needed more detail.

Ryan

TrailZen

11/14/2022 11:46AM

My reply posted in wrong spot?

Bdames

12/31/2022 06:41PM

Bdames: "

" First father daughter trip, with hopes of many more

stalechampagne

12/31/2022 10:35PM

edited: sorry, accidentally posted in the wrong thread. is there no way to delete a message?

Tomcat

01/18/2019 11:24AM

NorthBranchdavidian

08/22/2019 11:41AM

Miss Molly congratulations on finding out my real name. I'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish but this goes beyond what is acceptable. It is an invasion of privacy and invites trouble.

Trapper7

10/14/2015 09:21AM

http://caltopo.com/map.html#ll=48.13343,-92.00205&z=13&b=t

Springer2

04/15/2020 10:33AM

Jackfish

03/22/2020 08:22AM

x2jmorris

04/06/2020 10:36AM

BWPaddler: "I agree that Facebook is a scourge, even though I am there a lot. But for purposes of connecting with people over canoe country, this site can't be beat.

I love the fact that the topics can be organized into forums and that the threads are easily scanned for their topics. Facebook is just not "organized" at all."

There is a BWCA Reddit that kind of meets that description ;)

lundojam

03/23/2020 08:28AM

double. 2 bagger.

uqme2

09/12/2019 02:21PM

I'm fairly certain that if that Dem cu*t who ran against Him would have hired Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohen and Steven Mnuchin (hah ha), we would be having a totally different conversation today.

Mesaba

02/10/2022 11:38AM

Late to the party, but here, with two trips planned for July!

~M

ppine

02/10/2022 10:15AM

I have been using canvas tents and wood stoves for over 40 years. Be responsible out there. One of the great things about winter camping is the lack of rules. Of course you can pitch a tent on dry land.

burgydancer

02/11/2022 12:41PM

Wow. I've been looking at these recipes and realized a lot of people carry significantly more weight in food than we do and appear to be much better at fishing. Impressive.

bobbernumber3

01/11/2023 10:30AM

02/24/2016 10:17AM

rdmarr

06/24/2019 06:57AM

Hoping this works

Quetico Ranger Bay 2019
Quetico Sunday Lake 2017
Quetico North Bay of Basswood 2015

cyclones30

02/15/2020 06:11PM

I was going to give some input on our Iron experiences but I'm from Iowa so...guess not :)

blutofish1

11/30/2019 09:19AM

butthead: "Tony, I can speak about Big Bills but will on wool pants. For the sizing and cost issues I only look for used mil-surplus or Ebay used wool pants. I have picked up 2 pair of Swedish military heavy wool and a pair of Johnson wool pants all 3 for less than $100. At that type of price I do not mind hacking and sewing them to fit! Most other outer garments and mid layer shirts are fine purchased new, just not pants in my opinion.

Trimmed to fit my short wide frame, 21 oz (?) heavy wool mil-surplus winter pants.
Thanks Ken, I will check this out

butthead"

thegildedgopher

06/05/2020 09:39AM

Basspro69: "ZaraSp00k: "if you do, take 35E and avoid all other freeway in metro area

you never know what the protesters are going to do, in fact they often change their own plans, and considering Walz, Frey, and Melvin say they will protect the protesters right to protest and make no mention of protecting anybody else's rights .... "
Hummmmmmm. Seems a small price to pay for some people’s rights being dismissed for centuries , I’m disgusted by this response !"
AAAAAAMEN.

fadersup

01/29/2017 03:31PM

quote OldFingers57: "quote Blatz: "Glue a piece of closed cell foam (inch or so thick) to the canoe where the outside of my knee touches the gunwale. Makes for a more comfortable ride for me"

We use foam pool noodles about 6-8 inches long and with a cut down the middle length wise. They fit nicely over the gunwhales. "

Pipe insulation is another good one.

maxxbhp

01/30/2017 09:08AM

All you have to do is grab 300 grand from your sock drawer and give realtor dude a call.

Marten

11/08/2019 10:35AM

Double post

tompodsiadlo

05/07/2020 01:08PM

quark2222

11/05/2019 07:41PM

MN_Lindsey

11/05/2019 07:35PM

Fun!
I'm reading that book right now.

mcsweem

03/22/2020 09:55AM

drnatus: "PSA. i live in one of the counties in Ohio that was hardest hit by storms this past week. I70 was closed it was that bad. For this first time in 20 years in this house we had water in the basement. Come to find out my home insurance does not cover "ground water" only water that would come up and out of pipes. Really??? I guess I am just stupid cause I had no idea. Also had an agent that was very difficult to reach and would not respond...even in the past when I had a security system installed and tried to get a discount. Never contacted me once to review what was and wasn't covered.

Totally admit that this is my problem and fault... should have read and thought about unforeseen consequences (at that point they would have no longer been unforeseen).

Learn from my mistakes. Review your risks with an agent you can actually trust. I will be switching soon... already talked to a guy I now know and trust. Was planning to switch months ago, but there is that inertia thing.

Sucks to be me. "

minnesotacanoes

11/07/2019 10:42AM

I'm not sure if you're still deciding, but have you considered the new Wenonah Voyager KR Solo Canoe? The Prism may be nice also since you are familiar with the Minnesota II.

https://minnesotacanoes.com/collections/solo-canoes/products/voyager-kr-edition-17-6-graphite-ultra-light-solo-wenonah-canoe

TrekScouter

11/10/2019 09:13AM

billconner

04/22/2023 06:08PM

This is going to turn into a topic like mining.

Campcraft

12/08/2019 08:38AM

I have used this for 20 years.
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-8-Razor-Sharp-Edgemaking-System/G5937?gclid=CjwKCAiA27LvBRB0EiwAPc8XWUpkopwJ00_o500qw3aZKIQUBMxDAPSj2Q5AU7EbYSQdDKhNkSd2wBoCuVoQAvD_BwE

Zwater

12/12/2019 10:40PM

I was waiting for Zmans. I will just ask for some jigs and a leech locker. Also a St. Croix or 2:)

MagicPaddler

05/04/2020 07:36AM

bump

NorthBranchdavidian

08/21/2019 02:49PM

You people aren't capable of having a disagreement without insults. I guess that's fine. What that really means is you are incapable of understanding my point and that's okay too. You are victims of The Dunning Kruger Effect and there's really nothing that can be done.

GitchigumiSteel

06/06/2020 02:42PM

I just removed two old registration stickers from my Bell Seliga Tripper using hot soapy water and a Magic Eraser...worked great!!! It took a little scrubbing but it did not affect the finish at all, good as new. The stickers were also warm from sitting in the sun which may have also helped. I know Goo Gone works, but it may dull the finish.

03/25/2018 08:55PM

mutz

08/13/2019 09:23AM

LindenTree

04/03/2020 01:54PM

If you're talking about "BWCA pictures and trip reports".

It was started by a member here housty9

MississippiDan

11/17/2021 08:54PM

Haven't tried the Seal line pro. Have the Seal line Boundary 70 l for about 12 years. Really like. Wish they made it in about a 90 l size. Sometimes I have to repack to get everything back in.

Jackfish

12/06/2021 06:48PM

Stumpy

12/05/2021 08:16PM

Canoearoo: "unshavenman: "Frenchy19: "About time; now they need to jack the prices to Quetico levels. "
Agreed."
I disagree. No need to limit it to only those who can afford it. Why make it a destination only for the rich?"

So true.
Not a place for only elitist snobs.

jillpine

12/05/2021 09:14PM

Stumpy: "Canoearoo: "unshavenman: "Frenchy19: "About time; now they need to jack the prices to Quetico levels. "
Agreed."
I disagree. No need to limit it to only those who can afford it. Why make it a destination only for the rich?"
So true.
Not a place for only elitist snobs. "

Stumpy, Frenchy19 is about as far from an elitist snob as a person can be. Raising the rate from a $16 (refundable) permit fee doesn’t make it a rich person’s playground.
Beth

Frenchy19

12/06/2021 10:48AM

Stumpy: "Canoearoo: "unshavenman: "Frenchy19: "About time; now they need to jack the prices to Quetico levels. "
Agreed."
I disagree. No need to limit it to only those who can afford it. Why make it a destination only for the rich?"

So true.
Not a place for only elitist snobs. "

Nice. Resort to name calling. I welcome you to my home to see how this elitist snob lives.

halvorsonchristopher

06/08/2020 12:12PM

Jackfish: "halvorsonchristopher: "Not a single person without garbage. Sad times. "
Chris... I'm not sure what you mean by this. I'm thinking that it means people are cleaning up garbage left behind at campsites."
I edited it so it makes sense. Sorry

06/10/2020 08:03AM

Good call!

Captn Tony

09/08/2021 10:54AM

mjmkjun: "Well stated, SinglePortage!

So now we know. Canadians can say dumb things. Just like other folks in other countries of the world.
Heck, we still celebrate Columbus Day and he didn't even set foot on North America soil. Still being taught that he 'discovered America', I presume.

which was named after a map maker who didn’t discover anything, he just decided to put his name on it

gkimball

09/07/2021 03:39PM

sns: "Seems like an appropriate place for this thoughtful analysis... "

Makes me remember the old saying "Profanity is a crutch for crippled minds." Too bad.

nofish

09/07/2021 03:49PM

gkimball: "sns: "Seems like an appropriate place for this thoughtful analysis... "

Makes me remember the old saying "Profanity is a crutch for crippled minds." Too bad."

It might be a crutch but either way that article is funny as $@&#%!

Carriekam

06/16/2020 03:37AM

So far that’s the plan!

santacruz

09/07/2021 08:55AM

The highest numbers of infections and hospitalizations, are coming from the countries most vaccinated, ( Israel ) , if the vaccinations work, why are vaccinated people getting the covid? This information is out there from professionals, not face-book, or as I label it, waste book :)

ZaraSp00k

06/16/2020 09:54AM

thank you for letting me know how you feel Dr. McCoy

mgraber

07/12/2020 09:15PM

Tyvek all the way.

PowerLizard

07/04/2020 07:59PM

tarnkt: "Replacing the line is an absolute must.

Really hard to beat Berkley Trilene XL in 8 lb test for all purpose fishing."

h20

07/04/2020 08:38PM

Jackfish: "

I took this photo in 2018 at a Steve Miller concert outside of Lambeau Field a couple nights before the season kicked off. I had wanted to post it ever since to took the photo, but forgot that I had it. I have no idea if this is "THE" Corndog, but if it truly was him, I'm disappointed for missing out on the opportunity to meet him and shake his hand. "
Im confused...what does that pretain to the op?

jfinn

07/28/2020 09:36PM

bump

williamvhale

07/29/2020 01:45AM

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07/29/2020 01:52AM

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backpackingZombie

08/17/2021 06:52AM

sueb2b: "Thanks for posting this. I’m trying to pick a route and was just looking in that area. "

You bet! Let me know if you have any specific questions.

I found this guy's stuff to be helpful in my planning: BWCA Wild

MNSummer63

08/04/2020 08:48AM

Thanks for the reply. I thought it was strange to have so many issues this year and not have a single problem our first year.

wrestlencanoe

08/03/2020 08:32PM

wrestlencanoe: " Mudro to Crooked
This is the first part of our trip in June with Mcsweem, myself and sons on a loop through Crooked, Iron, Stuart, Sundial PMA and back to Mudro. If you like it subscribe, they plan on putting out part 2 next week.
"
some reason the link isn't showing up https://youtu.be/60eoirxs1oc

pitster

08/06/2020 11:50AM

Well this isn't something that was seen, but something sh*tty that just happened to me.

I am just getting off of "probation" from what lawyers have told me were the DNR conservation officers out to get me. Not only that but this law office has clients with fishing citations and has never seen or heard of the kind of screwing I got.

I was going to be imprisoned for 30 days and a $300.00 fine. For what you ask? Armed robbery? Wreckless driving? Rape? Kiddie Porn? Grand theft? Forging checks? Assault with a deadly weapon? Arson?
Nope...
For trying to keep my fish alive for the car ride to our cabin so they would be fresh when I filleted them. 4 little northern and 2 little walleye that were all LEGAL. No shit.

NEVER have received a citation from the DNR in the 40+ years I've been going up to MN, spending money, and playing by the limit rules on all different bodies of water. I was nothing but cooperative as the made both myself and my 18 year old son get out while they searched our van, coolers, and boat like I was smuggling in 1,000 lbs of heroin or something.

I guess if I was going to burn down a police precinct or loot the local Wal-Mart, that would've been allowed in MN right?

Now I have a "misdemeanor" on my otherwise spotless record, not so even much as a speeding ticket in the last decade. This will show up on background checks, loan applications, and anything else that requires a background check. I'm an Engineering manager for a federal laboratory, so I am well aware of how these "crimes" tend to show up on background checks.

I can't type my true feelings about the DNR.

Beat that....

halvorsonchristopher

08/06/2020 12:11PM

scat

08/06/2020 12:30PM

No shit. Wow.

brux

08/06/2020 06:54PM

schweady: "Don't let the door hit you on the way out, pitster.
"

+1

Inmyelement

08/06/2020 02:09PM

I get they are enforcing the law, but a misdemeanor? When DUIs are an ordinance violation, a criminal record for transporting fish seems a bit steep.

user0317

08/06/2020 02:02PM

pitster: "Well this isn't something that was seen, but something sh*tty that just happened to me.

I am just getting off of "probation" from what lawyers have told me were the DNR conservation officers out to get me. Not only that but this law office has clients with fishing citations and has never seen or heard of the kind of screwing I got.

I was going to be imprisoned for 30 days and a $300.00 fine. For what you ask? Armed robbery? Wreckless driving? Rape? Kiddie Porn? Grand theft? Forging checks? Assault with a deadly weapon? Arson?
Nope...
For trying to keep my fish alive for the car ride to our cabin so they would be fresh when I filleted them. 4 little northern and 2 little walleye that were all LEGAL. No shit.

NEVER have received a citation from the DNR in the 40+ years I've been going up to MN, spending money, and playing by the limit rules on all different bodies of water. I was nothing but cooperative as the made both myself and my 18 year old son get out while they searched our van, coolers, and boat like I was smuggling in 1,000 lbs of heroin or something.

I guess if I was going to burn down a police precinct or loot the local Wal-Mart, that would've been allowed in MN right?

Now I have a "misdemeanor" on my otherwise spotless record, not so even much as a speeding ticket in the last decade. This will show up on background checks, loan applications, and anything else that requires a background check. I'm an Engineering manager for a federal laboratory, so I am well aware of how these "crimes" tend to show up on background checks.

I can't type my true feelings about the DNR.

Beat that....
"

You chose to break the law and got caught. There are several reasons that it is illegal to catch and transport live fish. I don't doubt that you meant no harm in your intent, but the DNR was simply enforcing the law.

user0317

08/06/2020 02:44PM

Inmyelement: "I get they are enforcing the law, but a misdemeanor? When DUIs are an ordinance violation, a criminal record for transporting fish seems a bit steep."
I agree that in this instance, that is a severe punishment. A ticket or even a stern warning would have probably sufficed. Unfortunately, you can't expect the DNR to discern who is just trying to get the fish back to the cabin to fillet, and who thinks it would be a great idea if the pond or lake that their cabin is on had a certain species of fish in it. I know of a few people who have transported fish for that reason.

The folks I know who have had DUIs in MN have all received misdemeanors. I believe if you've had multiple infractions in a certain time period, they can even be a felony.

pitster

08/06/2020 05:53PM

user0317: "pitster: "Well this isn't something that was seen, but something sh*tty that just happened to me.

I am just getting off of "probation" from what lawyers have told me were the DNR conservation officers out to get me. Not only that but this law office has clients with fishing citations and has never seen or heard of the kind of screwing I got.

I was going to be imprisoned for 30 days and a $300.00 fine. For what you ask? Armed robbery? Wreckless driving? Rape? Kiddie Porn? Grand theft? Forging checks? Assault with a deadly weapon? Arson?
Nope...
For trying to keep my fish alive for the car ride to our cabin so they would be fresh when I filleted them. 4 little northern and 2 little walleye that were all LEGAL. No shit.

NEVER have received a citation from the DNR in the 40+ years I've been going up to MN, spending money, and playing by the limit rules on all different bodies of water. I was nothing but cooperative as the made both myself and my 18 year old son get out while they searched our van, coolers, and boat like I was smuggling in 1,000 lbs of heroin or something.

I guess if I was going to burn down a police precinct or loot the local Wal-Mart, that would've been allowed in MN right?

Now I have a "misdemeanor" on my otherwise spotless record, not so even much as a speeding ticket in the last decade. This will show up on background checks, loan applications, and anything else that requires a background check. I'm an Engineering manager for a federal laboratory, so I am well aware of how these "crimes" tend to show up on background checks.

I can't type my true feelings about the DNR.

Beat that....
"

You chose to break the law and got caught. There are several reasons that it is illegal to catch and transport live fish. I don't doubt that you meant no harm in your intent, but the DNR was simply enforcing the law. "

You chose to break the law and got caught. There are several reasons that it is illegal to catch and transport live fish. I don't doubt that you meant no harm in your intent, but the DNR was simply enforcing the law. "

GTFOH and Spare me the effing lecture Karen. MN allows rioting, Burning Looting Murdering now, haven't you heard, or maybe your ok with that shit? Overzealous people like you think it's ok to ruin someone's life because you "doubt" and believe there was some inherent maniacal reason instead of an honest mistake on a minuscule inconsequential issue for keeping a few fish with my son, with proper permits, and all proper licensing with ZERO past prior violations in 40+ years, but you have an axe to grind for whatever effed up insecure reason.

This is the kind of shit wrong with clown world right now, pricks like you wanting to cancel people because your soo self righteous...but let REAL criminals off for some bullshit PC reason that doesn't exist.

Eat shit. Cancel or ban me, I don't GAF, but I'm not going to put up with that bullshit after what I went through.

schweady

08/06/2020 06:41PM

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, pitster.

airmorse

08/06/2020 06:49PM

pitster: "user0317: "pitster: "Well this isn't something that was seen, but something sh*tty that just happened to me.

I am just getting off of "probation" from what lawyers have told me were the DNR conservation officers out to get me. Not only that but this law office has clients with fishing citations and has never seen or heard of the kind of screwing I got.

I was going to be imprisoned for 30 days and a $300.00 fine. For what you ask? Armed robbery? Wreckless driving? Rape? Kiddie Porn? Grand theft? Forging checks? Assault with a deadly weapon? Arson?
Nope...
For trying to keep my fish alive for the car ride to our cabin so they would be fresh when I filleted them. 4 little northern and 2 little walleye that were all LEGAL. No shit.

NEVER have received a citation from the DNR in the 40+ years I've been going up to MN, spending money, and playing by the limit rules on all different bodies of water. I was nothing but cooperative as the made both myself and my 18 year old son get out while they searched our van, coolers, and boat like I was smuggling in 1,000 lbs of heroin or something.

I guess if I was going to burn down a police precinct or loot the local Wal-Mart, that would've been allowed in MN right?

Now I have a "misdemeanor" on my otherwise spotless record, not so even much as a speeding ticket in the last decade. This will show up on background checks, loan applications, and anything else that requires a background check. I'm an Engineering manager for a federal laboratory, so I am well aware of how these "crimes" tend to show up on background checks.

I can't type my true feelings about the DNR.

Beat that....
"

You chose to break the law and got caught. There are several reasons that it is illegal to catch and transport live fish. I don't doubt that you meant no harm in your intent, but the DNR was simply enforcing the law. "

You chose to break the law and got caught. There are several reasons that it is illegal to catch and transport live fish. I don't doubt that you meant no harm in your intent, but the DNR was simply enforcing the law. "

GTFOH and Spare me the effing lecture Karen. MN allows rioting, Burning Looting Murdering now, haven't you heard, or maybe your ok with that shit? Overzealous people like you think it's ok to ruin someone's life because you "doubt" and believe there was some inherent maniacal reason instead of an honest mistake on a minuscule inconsequential issue for keeping a few fish with my son, with proper permits, and all proper licensing with ZERO past prior violations in 40+ years, but you have an axe to grind for whatever effed up insecure reason.

This is the kind of shit wrong with clown world right now, pricks like you wanting to cancel people because your soo self righteous...but let REAL criminals off for some bullshit PC reason that doesn't exist.

Eat shit. Cancel or ban me, I don't GAF, but I'm not going to put up with that bullshit after what I went through.
"

Bye bye...

martoonie

08/06/2020 07:23PM

Hey Pitster, I'd be more worried about your rant turning up on a background check.

jfinn

10/07/2020 04:51PM

JackpineJones

09/12/2020 09:46AM

Jackfish: "Jackpine... please edit your post and use the Add a link to this message function. It's pretty easy to use, but if you need help, just ask. Thanks."

Thanks Jackfish! the link you listed helped a lot!

ericinely

09/24/2020 11:23AM

Linking feature doesn't seem to be working. You might have to copy paste:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRmQkUwR64c

BonzSF

09/17/2020 03:47PM

BuckeyeVol

09/21/2020 12:05PM

daytime not daytime

MuskyMike

09/24/2020 08:11AM

MuskyMike: "Steve’s a piece of shit. I hope it burns down. "

Pretty hypocritical to be one of the most vocal opponents of mining, but then accept taconite tax dollars to build a new outlet store.

He’s never gotten a dime from me or any other local I know. No one I’ve ever met that worked there or dealt with him had anything nice to say about him either.

AmyRetriever

10/26/2020 02:11PM

Caralee

11/12/2020 02:52PM

Interested! Please see email I just sent you. Thanks!

noAVGjoe

11/13/2020 06:47PM

Thanks savage voyager for the topic, it started out hopeful and optimistic until Larry casted judgement on people’s thoughts. Never have I been so annoyed by someone else, seems like a know it all douche bag. I can feel how lonely you are with how much time you spend posting. Get a life

Jackfish

11/23/2020 08:53PM

jcavenagh: "A day in the bush can be hard on a man.....

Before...

"
After...

Jackfish

11/23/2020 08:59PM

jcavenagh: "A day in the bush can be hard on a man.....

Before...

After..."

bwcadan

12/02/2020 05:27PM

Cc26

01/13/2021 08:45PM

Cc26

01/13/2021 08:45PM

Cc26

01/13/2021 08:46PM

Very cool!!

andym

01/13/2021 10:44PM

RunningFox

01/13/2021 09:09PM

No doubt the fish are happy, Mike. Sad to hear this for your and everyone’s sake, including mine.

This Covid thing has been blown out of proportion. Talked with my 60 some year old neighbor who is a bone surgeon; he says he will not get the vaccine. A high percentage of health care workers will not get the vaccine. Thirty percent of Americans say they will not get the vaccine. Yes it is deadly for some, but not the vast majority. Even without Covid, just living life - living your life - puts other lives at risk. Somehow we lived with that fact — really lived — before COVID.

If Canada opens this year, visitors will no doubt be required to show proof of having received the vaccine well before the scheduled entry date.

RunningFox

01/13/2021 09:37PM

RunningFox: "No doubt the fish are happy, Mike. Sad to hear this for your and everyone’s sake, including mine.

This Covid thing has been blown out of proportion. Talked with my sixty-some year old neighbor who is a bone surgeon; he says he will not get the vaccine. A high percentage of health care workers will not get the vaccine. Thirty percent of Americans say they will not get the vaccine. Yes it is deadly for some, but not the vast majority. Even without Covid, just living life - living your life - puts other lives at risk. Somehow we lived with that fact — really lived — before COVID.

If Canada opens this year, visitors will no doubt be required to show proof of having received the vaccine well before the scheduled entry date.

"

RunningFox

01/14/2021 06:44AM

For the record, I will be getting the vaccine as soon as it is available to me.

Hoping I remain a 1b, as I supposedly am. The CDC is still changing its guidelines. Supposedly, I’m an essential worker (now there’s a joke!). I’m a work-from-home bean counter.

Hard to imagine how canoeists going to the Q could put a dent in the big COVID picture. But whatever, this too shall pass.

BnD

01/14/2021 01:34AM

Well.....RF yesterday 4098 people in USA would disagree with your ahem well informed opinion on COVID but alas they can’t unfortunately because they passed away.

My son and I have made plans B & C anticipating Canada will not open the border by summer 2021. I am really regretting not taking a couple of Canada trips in the last few years because of other obligations. Could have and should have. Time waits for no one.

Portage99

01/14/2021 08:04AM

RunningFox: "No doubt the fish are happy, Mike. Sad to hear this for your and everyone’s sake, including mine.

This Covid thing has been blown out of proportion. Talked with my 60 some year old neighbor who is a bone surgeon; he says he will not get the vaccine. A high percentage of health care workers will not get the vaccine. Thirty percent of Americans say they will not get the vaccine. Yes it is deadly for some, but not the vast majority. Even without Covid, just living life - living your life - puts other lives at risk. Somehow we lived with that fact — really lived — before COVID.

If Canada opens this year, visitors will no doubt be required to show proof of having received the vaccine well before the scheduled entry date.

"

I won’t get into an argument. But this is not appropriate to post on this message board. Just because this dude thinks that, doesn’t mean it’s the best for this country.

MikeinMpls

01/14/2021 08:54AM

RunningFox: "For the record, I will be getting the vaccine as soon as it is available to me.

Hoping I remain a 1b, as I supposedly am. The CDC is still changing its guidelines. Supposedly, I’m an essential worker (now there’s a joke!). I’m a work-from-home bean counter.

Hard to imagine how canoeists going to the Q could put a dent in the big COVID picture. But whatever, this too shall pass."

You say covid is blown out of proportion, but you're going to get the vaccine?

Wow. Just wow. You should be in a textbook under the chapter titled "cognitive dissonance."

Mike

thegildedgopher

01/21/2021 08:15AM

double post

Jackfish

02/15/2021 11:37AM

analyzer: "Jackfish: "

OMG, I LOVE THAT!! I would love to have a wall like that in my basement. It would help me get through the winters."
Just Google "Lake in the Woods wall mural" and you'll find options of where to buy. I really loved having that on the wall in our family room.

Captn Tony

02/17/2021 02:39PM

2X post

user0317

02/17/2021 11:20AM

mutz: "homers: "I'm still holding out hope the border opens mid summer with proof of vaccination. I know Dr Faucci stated those who have had the vaccine don't need to quarantine. If the data shows small risk of a vaccinated person transmitting the virus, travel should open. "

Looking at dr faucci,s record he will probably change this opinion as often as his mask recommendations changed. "

Do you have a problem with Dr Faucci that needs to be addressed in a canoeing forum?

mutz

02/17/2021 01:30PM

arctic: "mutz: "homers: "I'm still holding out hope the border opens mid summer with proof of vaccination. I know Dr Faucci stated those who have had the vaccine don't need to quarantine. If the data shows small risk of a vaccinated person transmitting the virus, travel should open. "

Looking at dr faucci,s record he will probably change this opinion as often as his mask recommendations changed. "

The recommendations changed as the understanding of the virus evolved. The virus was new and unique, and poorly understood last spring."

I don’t think with as often as faucci das changed his opinion that many even listen to anything he says.

Wendigo41

02/17/2021 02:20PM

Very good point!!

bottomtothetap

02/24/2021 03:55PM

A brother-in-law

Pinetree

02/24/2021 07:26PM

Quetico is the home of this site

3Ball

02/24/2021 05:30PM

WhiteWolf: "Let me know how it flips!! And why. In my posts on here over the years I try (sometimes fail) to put the "why before the what". Many will disagree with me, but this long range forecasting can be done more accurately than "they can't get it right a day out talk"-- if you have the right behind the scenes stuff that drives the atmosphere, when you begin to understand it (no one does totally) , but just even a grasp what I posted, is huge. Watch those index's - ( not the apps on your phones etc.) and you will see what I mean.
Just trying to show the common public some behind the scenes info. Still a 30% chance imo of a normal ice out to early ice out. Those indexes WILL be the main driving force one way or the other. Why do I think they will be negative and lead to my thoughts? First part of winter and current ocean temps (compared to back in NOV) in the Central Pacific/ E Coast. And that severe winters of the past 10 years have been back loaded and go into Spring--- ie-- Ocean temps take a lot to change over 10 years.
"

It will go out when it goes out.

PineKnot

02/25/2021 09:59AM

Oops

Grizzlyman

03/24/2021 12:20PM

Castaway

03/24/2021 02:08PM

Chieflonewatie: "yogi59weedr: "How do you break up that group of 20-30 people for all entering at the same entry point.
A church group shouldn't be any different then an average Joe applying for a permit.

Can of worms opened...."

If he reserved 4 permits that were available at and entry point that is how he did it. He was not doing anything the average Joe was doing. They would still need to go in four separate groups of less than 9 and camp separately. "
Fixing the quote font.

yogi59weedr

03/31/2021 09:15AM

Here we go.

IronRangeMike

03/31/2021 08:42AM

Stumpy: "Canoearoo: "It's just 4 classes: Intro to the BWCA, Bwca tips and tricks, better BWCA cooking and stopping mining"
I think I'll show up and heckle the stop mining speaker. "

+1 Atta Boy!!!

tumblehome

03/31/2021 09:53AM

I got one too.

Firefox has a free ad-blocker add-on. It is extremely helpful. When I log into CNN or Fox, it blocks more than 50 ads and trackers. It even blocks stuff on this website. Unfortunately, We (me) are being delivered ad content in such a manner that ‘we’ do whatever we can to get away from it.

Savage Voyageur

03/31/2021 12:19PM

BWfishingfanatic12

03/31/2021 11:32PM

Best footage is 4 minutes to 14 minutes.

arctic

04/08/2021 02:35PM

WhiteWolf: "3Ball: "so if we really just have no idea at all, why do we write yet another 40 lines or so?"

If this is directed at me and I assume it is- it's because several people asked to see where I thought I went wrong. Geez- tough crowd here at the end. I admit mistakes - show my errors- and than get hammered on those too? As far as "really no idea at all" - well- your entitled to your own opinion - but I think many on this forum over years would disagree and I really did have an scientific idea based on science and tried to put it into laymens terms. Sorry if that bothers some folks. I'am glad some found it educational in following long term winter weather.
Enjoy the weather - it's the only weather you got.
"

I wouldn't take it personally WhiteWolf. After all, this is the internet...

3Ball

04/08/2021 06:58PM

No, not "hammered for errors."

Instead, questioned on excusing the error by stating that an accurate long range forecast is impossible because of the "near infinite number of unknows," OK ... but ... then, despite that impossibility, writing another 40 lines or so including what to expect 4 or 5 months from now. Questioning that inconsistency doesn't make anyone a victim.

dschult2

04/08/2021 08:24PM

dschult2: "I'm heading in May 16th and will be wet footing. You should be fine, especially with this early ice out. The key is really high quality wool socks and a well draining shoe like a trail runner. I suggest Darn Tough."
Oops - double post.

Canoearoo

04/21/2021 04:50PM

We like the freeze dried apples, freeze dried yorgert, the jurkey, the beef sticks, the sting cheese, the shelf-stable bacon, shelf-stable cheese tortellini, the pasta dinners and the rice meals.

A1t2o

04/28/2021 06:59PM

jhb8426: "Cc26: "didn't read it, didn't have to. its CNN so i know its baloney."

It's news, not opinion...

See an alligator interrupt a football training in Florida

Do you doubt this one too becuz it's on CNN?"

He's referring to the fact that CNN is full of opinion and flavor pieces recently.

WIMike

04/29/2021 07:19AM

jhb8426: "Cc26: "didn't read it, didn't have to. its CNN so i know its baloney."

It's news, not opinion...

See an alligator interrupt a football training in Florida

Do you doubt this one too becuz it's on CNN?"

If you think CNN is news and not opinions you either don't watch CNN or you share their political leanings. That said, I do believe gas shortages are a distinct possibility this summer.

BearBurrito

04/29/2021 08:27AM

Cc26: "didn't read it, didn't have to. its CNN so i know its baloney."

+1

RunningFox

05/03/2021 06:37PM

If there are gas shortages due to lack of tanker drivers, then a good president would use the national guard or army’s resources to fix that problem. Unless, of course, a president doesn’t want to fix the problem for ulterior reasons.

This isn’t political, it’s practical. As goes gas, so goes America—at least for the foreseeable future. That’s our shared reality. Right?

Colt

05/16/2021 04:40PM

My email source address looked like this: FS-R9 BWCAW

Argo

02/18/2022 11:04AM

Freeleo1: "Wow, I really thought RABCs would be available by now. We watched last year all the way up until June and it seemed like it would be soon after that. We got passports last year. It took longer than normal, but not too bad. Don't put it off too long though, a government shutdown shuts that down too and then it gets really behind. I think we're ok for a while, but it's usually just kicking the can down the road.
"

You don't need a passport to travel to Canada by land. I can't speak to the ID requirements to return to the USA.

goatroti

05/21/2021 05:49AM

pswith5: "Bye bye"

It's been fun. Especially today.

Model94

05/25/2021 04:10PM

tumblehome: "Why are you deleting my post?
He has it listed on Craigslist for $9,500."
very bad form

tauwillow

05/29/2021 03:59PM

Downloded padde planner maps, but my garmin software wont let me use it because it says too many waypoints. Can't find other maps for our usage area.

Captn Tony

09/01/2021 11:27AM

Double post

yellowcanoe

06/21/2021 07:09AM

Just an observation.Nothing more..
Rights and freedoms meant one thing last year and a different thing this year.
Vaccinateds have the rights and freedoms to attend large concerts and go on a cruise.
The unvaccinated don't. Sometimes it is not their fault so no judgment. Access to vaccines is an issue and till a certain level of vaxxed is reached it may be that borders to some countries remain closed.

outsidethebox

06/21/2021 05:14AM

Wouldn't it be interesting to be a fly on the wall of Dr. Fauci's unabridged thoughts on this matter...the mistakes, the corrections, the learnings, what our understandings are today and where we go from here. Otherwise, the political divides have become so toxic that it is impossible not to have significant leakage into this discussion. At the heart of this matter is how "rights" and "freedom" of individuals are applied in a civilized society-over and against the tenets holding up the need to honor the benefits of the greater good. Collectively, we as a nation have a character issue. I have no idea how we constructively address this matter in the face of a fractured political climate whose leaders are hell-bent on maximizing personal gain.

Healthy, sound, civilized societies walk a fine line between individual rights and the rights of others. The debate here will neve be fully settled and requires a vigorous, on-going dialogue. Each of us are informed by our profoundly individual set of life learnings. My life learnings instruct me, very clearly, that, in this specific matter, getting vaccinated is a part of my responsibility as a citizen of our society-and our world. There is a great deal of "gray", open for discussion stuff in my world...this, for me, is not one of those "gray" areas.

I was raised to be a person who is both fiercely independent and responsible for my individual actions but just as fiercely concerned for the well-being of my fellow citizens. These two principles can reside together in harmony. In fact, this reality makes for a very healthy, holistic character. What troubles me greatly about the "discussions" here is that profound ignorance that is only informed by political motivation and misguided individual emphasis is being given an equal seat at this table of discussion. Here, the "greater good" must hold more sway.

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07/12/2021 08:44AM

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dsmith1979

07/07/2022 09:50PM

Thanks for point out that I didn't include the location. I edited my post.

Jackfish

03/03/2023 10:58AM

arctic

04/03/2020 02:49PM

My guess is that the BWCA will be closed due to the potential transport of Covid-19. People travel from far away, and the hospitals up here won't even be able to handle all the sick locals when this thing peaks.

Jackfish

01/12/2023 10:34PM

SunCatcher

04/10/2022 10:29PM

Let's have a party

Jackfish

02/16/2023 09:44AM

Z4K

02/16/2020 02:04AM

fishnfreak: "So, you read reports that Iron fills up quick but want to know if Iron fills up quick? How much verification do you need before you are convinced that Iron fills up? So, to save alot of time for others. Iron fills up quick!!!"

mderenne: "If you read my original post I was asking for input on days of the week etc. Some other members made me aware that getting a site early is the key and let me know alternative options if needed, you on other hand were not helpful and decided to be a pompous Iowan prick. Thanks for the input from everyone, it will definitely help us out."

Hey! There is no need for incivility here, gentlemen!

I stayed on Iron last summer. After picking up our permit at the ranger station in Ely, we had to wait for a late tow from Crane Lake to Bottle Portage because all of our gear and people (10) wouldn't fit into one of the outfitter's boats so we had to take two. Because of the late tow and a surprise side-trip into Lake Agnes, we didn't get to Iron until 6pm or so. We had our choice of a few campsites, with only a couple taken on the entire lake. This wasn't surprising considering it was the Saturday of Memorial Day weekend. We had a great time, except for one incredibly rude ranger that fined us for our beer cans! That part really peeved me as we had already dug a pit to bury the empties in. Would not recommend, for the amount of money I ended up spending we might as well have stayed at a hotel and eaten cod at restaurants for the week!

mike2019

05/13/2020 10:10AM

LindenTree

04/20/2020 03:12PM

Tomcat

03/21/2023 07:15AM

Deleted

ZaSquatch

04/14/2023 03:11PM

I only skimmed the thread, but am surprised no one has mentioned paddle planner yet! Even if the estimated times aren't exact it gives you a really good frame of reference for time and distance. I would recommend it for anyone but especially on your first time.

You can adjust how aggressive/ fast you want to go, and double vs single portaging.

I know everyone is different, but I'm more of a soak it in and spend some time at camp relaxing or fishing. My wife and I kind of do a 1.5 portage system. She takes her day pack and one gear pack on the first trip. I carry the canoe and my day pack for round 1 and go back for our other gear pack and loose items (poles, paddles, bait etc.) For round 2. We're set up where we probably could make it in 1 trip if needed, but haven't felt the need to push it (avoiding 1 mile portage helps!)

We plan for 7-10 mile days and try to get camp set up in the early afternoon to have time for swimming or fishing later.

Check paddle planner out, it really helps!

ZaraSp00k

01/31/2020 06:23AM

Unas10: "Aren't inflatables verboten in the BWCA?"

if you bring an inflatable, can it still be called a solo trip?

WhiteWolf

04/18/2023 05:57AM

NMJim

12/20/2021 08:46PM

NMJim

12/20/2021 08:54PM

NMJim

12/20/2021 09:01PM

goatroti

04/19/2023 08:47AM

Removed post.

timatkn

04/19/2023 09:00AM

goatroti: "Quite a while ago there was a discussion about heading into Quetico and bush whacking into a lake (seems it was an annual event). Claims were bounced around about no regulations on where you could camp and where you could bush whack, and enthusiasm was high. That thread ended rather abruptly and this alternate group sprung up. Maybe it's a private group for people who enjoy going wherever the heck they want to under an assumed umbrella of anonymity. "
What you smoking?

The Aficionado’s group was started in 2007? I don’t think the discussion you are referring to disappeared for the reasons you think…a little conspiratorial and I think the timelines don’t match.

I think you are referring to the Bushwhackers Jamboree, which no one has been hiding and I am pretty sure was not in the aficionados page—at least not exclusively, heck it was on 3-4 different websites at one time—so definitely not hidden and is not an annual event. A lot of false conjecture and poor details, goatroti. :)

T

yogi59weedr

12/25/2021 02:09AM

???

Bearpath9

02/17/2020 07:39AM

Bushpilot: "The last few have been deleted as soon as they popped up. I wasn't going to post any. I figure if someone wants to fight about mining there are many other sites with more informed posters on the subject."
Well, yes, we all bow to your superior wisdom.

Jwpaddle

09/12/2022 12:16PM

Still have it ???

KampingKim

08/18/2022 10:58AM

plander

12/14/2023 12:47PM

McKenzie 11

Edit: Sorry, I somehow had EP 23 in my head.

Fisher F-16 is probably the map you want - it should get up up to the top of Curtain Falls. See pic below:

Wallski

04/17/2019 12:03AM

I just fillet them like a wallski, put em in da blender, add a few things and deep fry fish cakes. Good ta go.

thegildedgopher

12/28/2021 09:06PM

No more double posts?!

martian

01/31/2020 07:24PM

I got my one and only trip to paddling paradise permitted using this new system (simple phone call back in the day) without any issues. Worked out nicely and I was booked by 9:15. Hotel availability not as easy.
I'm so jealous of some folks booking multiple trips.
Thanks for all the tips.

Jackfish

03/24/2019 09:25PM

BrianDay

03/14/2023 03:35PM

Jackfish

03/14/2023 01:28PM

timf1981... this thread should be posted in the Items for Sale and Wanted Forum. I can move it for you, but just didn't want you to wonder where it went. Post here that you saw this and I'll move it. Thanks.

LindenTree

04/02/2020 01:44PM

thegildedgopher:
" The article was about the SNF in general: Link

Captn Tony

02/16/2020 08:01AM

Got an answer, I'm not a prick at all. I'm a cross between a donkey and a horse.

Wallski

04/17/2019 04:18PM

Kinda like smallmouth in the D-dub and Superior National Forest.

Captn Tony

02/16/2020 07:50AM

So does the state make a prick difference? Are pompous Iowan pricks different from Wisconsin pompous pricks, how about Minnesotan or Californian pompous pricks? There are so many states are they all different kinds of pompous pricks. And what about countries, are Canadian pompous pricks different then American pompous pricks, what about Mexican, English, Chinese? Also is there a difference between pompous pricks and plain pricks?
This blog brings up a whole new discussion!
I'm from Iowa but not sure if I'm a pompous prick or just a prick. I'll ask my wife, she'll have an answer.

eroom

09/19/2019 12:55PM

VoyageurNorth

01/31/2020 07:40PM

Busy time for lodging? (Blueberry Festival?) Where?

Jackfish

02/19/2023 11:27AM

SevenofNine

01/25/2020 07:19PM

ZIMTLSA: "

Only paddled with GSP once. Extremely nice guy and we both share the love of paddling and German Shorthairs. Two of the guys in this picture have now found calmer waters. "

My wife and I met Brian at that get together. He gave me a gift just out of the blue and to be honest his generosity showed through. He let his dog Marco sit on my wife’s lap to keep her warm while we sat around the fire that night.

May you find peace and happiness Brian.

Greg

Jackfish

04/28/2020 09:15PM

Hey HnD... if you're going to post the same joke just a couple posts apart, the requirement is for it to be a funny one. LOL :)

butthead

01/19/2022 12:08PM

sorry doubled BH

bobbwca

03/26/2019 11:32AM

Bump

pswith5

01/20/2022 07:08PM

I bet Christmas day has almost no canoe traffic.

ZaraSp00k

02/10/2020 07:23AM

shrug

I guess this is the times we are living in where everyone needs their safe space and tolerance of a diversity does not include diversity of thought

which seems strange to me, isn't thought the essence of a soul?

WonderMonkey

01/26/2022 08:43AM

sns: "Apologies; dreaded double-post....site seems to be struggling mightily today with significant lags.
"

I just had that problem as well. I thought it was on my end.

Tony

01/26/2022 09:24AM

WonderMonkey

01/26/2022 08:41AM

billconner: "WonderMonkey: "billconner: "I assume you'd go through Sault St Marie? Some nice provincial parks along north shore of Superior."

My map has me going through International Falls from Ohio to Atikokan."

I don't know where in Ohio you are so I picked Toledo as being north west. My gmaps to Atikokan is quicker through Sault St Marie than Chicago, longer to Beaverhouse parking. I also find any route through Chicago to usually be longer than predicted - and I lived there 30 years. YMMV"

I've only gone through Chicago very late at night, and it wasn't bad at all. I've heard from too many about doing it at any other time.

I'll look at the route you mentioned.

Cc26

01/26/2022 09:18AM

Having trouble - log in, find date I want, click book now and am redirected to log back in and then it just is thinking....like it’s froze up

Cc26

01/26/2022 09:18AM

Having trouble - log in, find date I want, click book now and am redirected to log back in and then it just is thinking....like it’s froze up

Tony

01/26/2022 09:21AM

Tony

01/26/2022 09:21AM

Tony

01/26/2022 09:21AM

Tony

01/26/2022 09:21AM

Tony

01/26/2022 09:21AM

schweady

01/28/2022 01:27PM

I've messed just a bit with brightness or contrast to clean up my pictures, but just curious how many of these finalists employed a lot of post-production, filters, etc. There is no doubt that it makes for a striking print for the wall, but I wonder if the contest rules might include something about raw shots only. Not sour grapes, just a thought.

Jackfish

02/01/2022 11:58PM

h20

03/27/2019 05:09PM

riverrunner: "The guy was a criminal burglarizing a places (1000+) times and damaging others property.
He supported himself living off others hard work

He should not be glorified or Romanized for doing so.

He stole a lot of stuff he didn't or could not use.

To bad they didn't catch him earlier and lock him up for years not months."I'd recommend reading the book before damning him.

Jackfish

08/30/2010 09:01AM

bump

AndySG

03/27/2022 05:04PM

BannedFromHere

03/29/2019 07:20AM

Beware criticizing the mods. You will find your IP address blocked one day.

Speaking from experience.

thegildedgopher

06/03/2020 10:23AM

Bushpilot: "Several days ago an immigrant driving a semi drove into the middle of a protest without knowing on the interstate freeway system. No road blocks were put up. He meant no harm and was beating to a pulp. "
With all due respect here. Beaten to a pulp? He was quickly released from HCMC with minor injuries and several protestors stepped in to stop the beating and deliver the driver to the police.

I will buy that the guy had no bad intentions, but how would you react if you were part of a peaceful protest on a freeway that had supposedly been shut down specifically to give you a safe space for that protest, and then all of a sudden a tanker trunk comes barreling in narrowly missing hundreds of innocent people?

Also what in the world does the fact that he's an immigrant have anything to do with it?

Sorry to derail this thread, but folks sure seem to be scraping the very bottom of the bullshit barrel these days.

Wallski

04/18/2019 11:06PM

Gillis

Maiingan

05/04/2022 05:46AM

UPBoy

04/24/2022 10:33AM

yogi59weedr: "What is the open permit alert system?"

Send me an email and I will tell you about it.

UPBoy

luxluxlux

04/24/2022 03:45PM

Would love to know what this system is!
I am in Minnesota after 7 years away and was looking to do a trip through Snowbank May 19 or 20. I had no idea the permit situation looked so different now!

I would love to hear if anyone is canceling for that weekend, or how I can sign up for the 'permit alert'.

pswith5

06/22/2023 06:34PM

FYI, most people here will know, but for those who don't it's MSR

Pinetree

06/22/2023 09:28PM

SAD

bapabear

02/20/2020 04:48PM

The first trip my son and I took was with our Coleman green monster. It was great for fishing around home but did we learn a few things about it when it hit a windstorm on Ima Lake. We're both large guys and we had a lot of gear loaded in. Waves were scary high and we managed it well enough to get through the trip. We missed a hidden portage tucked behind large rocks into Hatchet Lake so had to turn it around and paddle with the wind for a while as we looked. A dicey paddle that day. It was a heavy beast and it oil canned like crazy but we made it. Doing it over I would have rented a better canoe but when I look at it in the backyard today I shake my head and wonder what was I thinking. You know kevlar isn't perfect either. What I would rate the best canoe I've ever used we struck a hidden sharp rock on our first day and punched a hole that we were able to fix with super duct tape. Never had that happen with any other canoe.

amhacker22

08/21/2019 10:27PM

Wables

04/20/2019 10:51PM

I’m late to the party, but here’s my 2 cents. I took my 10 yo (2nd trip) and another dad and 11 yo on their first trip. We had a fairly aggressive loop planned for an 8 day trip. By the time we hit Knife the boys were spent and we layed up early on the site north of bacon rock. We didn’t move for the rest of the week, except for paddling to carp for the last night so we could catch our early tow. The boys had a ball exploring, taking day trips, building fires, catching snakes, etc. I guess my takeaway was that kids care less about miles traveled, solitude, and moving, but more just enjoy being up there with the ability to explore on their terms. I say find a site on Carp or Ensign, make a basecamp, and let him explore. Bring lots of worms, hooks, and bobbers, as well as s’mores and popcorn.

SpiritoftheWilderness

05/12/2019 06:38PM

Give us a call and let's talk routes and first steps in making your plans. No commitment needed until reserving a permit. We can reserve a permit for you if you choose. A couple of 3-day/2-night entry points to consider for a first trip include; Lake One #30, doing the numbered chain of lakes, Fall Lake #24, up to upper basswood falls along the Canadian border, Moose Lake #25, to Ensign (but this is a busy area), and more.
Check us out soon.
Steve @Spirit of the Wilderness Outfitter
Ely

Erinelizabeth882

05/12/2019 08:22PM

SpiritoftheWilderness: "Give us a call and let's talk routes and first steps in making your plans. No commitment needed until reserving a permit. We can reserve a permit for you if you choose. A couple of 3-day/2-night entry points to consider for a first trip include; Lake One #30, doing the numbered chain of lakes, Fall Lake #24, up to upper basswood falls along the Canadian border, Moose Lake #25, to Ensign (but this is a busy area), and more.
Check us out soon.
Steve @Spirit of the Wilderness Outfitter
Ely
"

Thanks for reaching out, I would like to chat route ideas with an outfitter, we will give you guys a call soon!

Everyone else, thanks for all the ideas and advice! I think right now we have changed gears and will likely do a 3 night trip (on the water early Friday and leave Monday afternoon) over labor day weekend. We figured fourth of July and labor day are equally unpredictable in terms of temps and weather, but labor day is less likely to have bad bugs!

EP's I'm deciding between are Lake One (either doing a number chain trip or a route recommended by another outfitter to Little Gabbro), Farm Lake (route to Lake One), Fall lake, or Crab and Cummings Lake. Any preferences between these for scenery, not too difficulty of paddling/portaging, and not too busy of areas?

Selfsuffi

04/01/2019 07:50AM

Spartan2: "I am enjoying these stories so much--fascinating reading! And so many different introductions to the canoe country, too.

Most of you know our story, but perhaps some do not. We didn't have the advantage of living in Minnesota, nor of family to introduce us to canoe-tripping. I think it is an honest assessment to say that all of our family and most of our co-workers and friends thought we were flat-out crazy--or had a rather misplaced and unrealistic view of our adventures resulting in expressions of envy that I always found to be less than sincere. ;-)

Spartan1 was introduced to the canoe country when he went to a summer job fair at MSU in 1965 and was hired by Doug Bobo to be a cabin counselor and riflery instructor at Camp Easton for Boys, on Little Long Lake near Ely. He spent the summers of '65 and '67 at Camp Easton. His first real canoe trip was with five other counselors after camp in '67, when they did the Namakan River Loop in Canada (including the 4-mile portage.) He came home with stories of his adventures, and was convinced that I would love to do this with him. I was, to say the least, not nearly as convinced as he. We were married in December of 1967, and our first canoe trip (the Loon River and the Namakan Loop--no four-mile portage for me!) was in July of 1971. If you are interested, you can read about it in my trip report.

After my first canoe-trip, I was hooked. For me, the experience of getting away to the lakes, the rocks, the peace and quiet of the wilderness, was something that I knew I needed to have in my life. And, by then being a full-time Mom of a toddler and a pre-schooler, I hoped that this could be something I could share with my husband as a getaway. Enter in the picture: our dear friends in Minneapolis who offered to keep our children for us when we did our canoe-tripping. And a true tandem tripping partnership was born.

In order to make this a shorter story, I will now condense 42 years into only a total of 32 canoe trips. Not so many, really, but every one of them different, every one of them memorable. A few as short as 4 days, but almost all at least 6-12 days in length. Family vacations en route added to the vacation time, since we always lived hundreds of miles away from the canoe country. Two trips in Quetico, two in Algonquin PP, one in Temagami, and the remainder in the BWCA. Our favorite was 22 days in the BWCA in 1992, right before Spartan1 developed the kidney disease. Or maybe our favorite was the "Celebration Trip" in 2009--the first trip after his kidney transplant. How do you pick a favorite anyway?

Amazing! I knew bits and parts from your posts but it is really cool to hear the story as a whole. Thank you for posting.

It wasn't always just the two of us. We took our 8-year-old daughter on an Algonquin trip, and we took our two teenage children on a BWCA trip in 1988. One time we did half of our trip with three friends; and of course in 2012 we did the wonderful "Return to Cherokee" trip with HoHo and David. And when, in 2013, I made the decision after a less than satisfying excursion on Brule Lake in May, that our tripping days should be done. . .it was a sad time. Health issues just make canoe-tripping too complicated and dangerous for us now. I am not sure that Spartan1 would agree with my assessment of "no regrets", but I think for me that sums it up.

Since 2007, when she was four years old, we have been taking our granddaughter with us to the canoe country for a "cabin week". She loves it there as much as we do, and these times are a blessing for all of us. We do day trips in the canoe, swim in the lakes, walk in the woods, and have campfires. We take many, many photos and always make a memory book. God willing, we will be at Rockwood Lodge in a cabin in August again this summer.

So, 54 years after Spartan1 first set foot in the canoe country, we still are called to its magical environment. And we don't even fish--go figure! :-) "

wanderingfromkansas

04/26/2022 01:05PM

I hope Carl doesn't mind, but below is a link to the Rockwood webcam. There they keep updates on ice on Poplar, and their predicted ice out. Currently, they're saying May 12-20.

https://www.rockwoodbwca.com/webcam/

Donald Trump

08/22/2019 09:49PM

HawgHunter: "NorthBranchdavidian: "...

....To answer your question, stop fishing at some point. ....

"

..."at some point". What is that "point"? How many fish? When does one cross the threshold of "too many"? Really, this is the core issue. You think barehook is guilty of an ethical violation for catch/releasing beyond some (undefined) magic number. What is it?"

Thankfully this guy's views are completely meaningless to most people. Unfortunately there are probably people that have to listen to condescending remarks from him in real life... not just on an internet forum. We've all met someone like this... one way to do things and they know it every time. The minute someone tells them to shove it because it's useless info that is unenforceable they recoil and can't be insulted (however insulting someone else is okay). I will remember this thread next time im laying into fish and laugh.

Jackfish

05/13/2020 02:14PM

Hi Rachael... Welcome to the board! Please repost your question in the "Items for sale or wanted" forum. Thanks.

Argo

04/30/2020 03:39PM

unshavenman: "Fingers crossed for my Argo Darky loop starting July 19th......."

You're confusing me with the Canadian prime minister. I don't do black-face. Trust me, you don't even want to hear me sing.

adam

04/01/2020 05:23PM

Current there is no planned closures to the BWCA. We are not encouraging people to flock to the BWCA region this time during the stay in place order. The medical facilities in this region are limited even without this pandemic to support dealing with COVID-19

The Quetico Park is currently closed until April 30th.

pmora

06/14/2022 10:07PM

Whoops, thanks! First time poster here.

Blatz

02/26/2020 06:58AM

Blatz

02/26/2020 06:58AM

Sorry my computer is weird

Blatz

02/26/2020 06:58AM

missmolly

08/22/2019 06:38AM

T, where do these delayed mortality fish bodies go? I tend to fish a place for at least a week. I have never, not once, seen a dead fish floating on the surface and it's clear water, so I can often see to the bottom.

WoolShirt

08/22/2019 06:55AM

thegildedgopher: "The biggest problem I have with posts like yours NBD is that the only behavioral change they tend to inspire is making people less likely to share their experiences on the forum, which ultimately helps no one.

And ironic, isn’t it, that the first one to add snark and negativity to a thread like this is almost always the first one to play the victim card when called out for their BS."Part and parcel of NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder).

movington

01/07/2020 10:10AM

After taking 2019 off due to my son's wedding, which was in the fall when we are usually on a BWCA trip, I'm looking forward to another great September trip with my son and some of his friends. This year we're going to do the Cross Bay to Poplar route. 4 days 3 nights. The plan is for the first night on Long Island Lake, the second night on Winchell Lake and the last night on Caribou Lake. I can't wait. I hear this is a great route. Happy 2020 to all.

adam

06/19/2023 08:29AM

top

04/02/2019 06:30PM

YetiJedi

02/13/2023 11:29AM

Banksiana: "Taping trees? Like with athletic tape?"

:) I'm sure the intent is tapping...

Grandma L

05/07/2020 09:38PM

AmarilloJim

08/20/2019 10:17AM

yogi59weedr: "North branch.......
What you have to go there for......
That's some great fishin....."

We've probably all done it before but it is worth discussing.
Deep fish, live bait and warm water will result in some fish loss.

adam

02/07/2024 07:56AM

top

Jackfish

01/22/2024 01:11PM

VoyageurNorth

01/28/2020 10:33PM

Very good info & hope you all get the permits you want (or at least your second or third choices, which are important to think of ahead of time!)

CRL

10/20/2019 05:33PM

Sorry about the double post....

PVnRT

10/20/2019 06:11PM

Thanks for the tempting proposition. At this point in time, however, I'm too chicken to take on whitewater. I'm really looking for a river/creek tripping style royalex canoe.

yogi59weedr

10/20/2019 06:21PM

Darn.......
Crappiest were great....

BEARS SUCK.....

analyzer

04/05/2020 08:13AM

lindylair:

Upper Mississippi River

"

Nice pictures Lindy,

What part of the Upper Mississippi is that? Looks nice.

jcavenagh

03/23/2020 04:04PM

triple post???

Guestman

06/28/2023 04:09AM

Burn it,really.During these times of climate change and wildfires.Please people don’t listen to this terribly irresponsible advice,bury your t.p. Like a good citizen.

cahnbrown

01/20/2019 06:16PM

I'm still looking,

Abooo

05/07/2022 11:27PM

joeablan: "Thanks Ryan, What is PP?"

Paddle……planner

OMGitsKa

05/08/2022 07:23AM

yogi59weedr: "Ok.
About that PP thing.
How in the he'll do they get that information.....

Is that even fair."

It's public data, anyone can make a web script that looks at a specific permit and alerts you when one becomes avaiable. Nothing new there. I really doubt they are able to see 15 minutes before unless there's something in the data that updates before it renders on the site.

Northwoodsman

05/08/2022 09:25AM

They check every 30 minutes. You have to have a paid membership.

Gaidin53

05/08/2022 09:32AM

I went back and edited my statement. I didn’t mean to say before. You get a notification after about 15 minutes of it becoming available. Pretty quick though and saves you from having to constantly check. Yes it’s only available for paid membership’s though and is a new feature

adam

04/09/2020 10:10AM

Please see opening post for link to forum

Reverendchuck

05/20/2022 10:25AM

TechnoScout

03/23/2020 05:16PM

Flashback

04/04/2019 06:37PM

When you absolutely, positively need a fire "right now".
Spare no expense!

Que

04/04/2019 07:01PM

I totally agree... not much good can come of this approach and rest assured that we have worked hard at keeping a relationship with Mr Schwartz over the years. I have a clear conscious and hope that some clarifications will be forthcoming to our readers and visitors shortly.

yellowcanoe

04/04/2019 07:25PM

Thanks for responding Claire.. I suspect that there is a lot of backstory and speculation is very unhelpful.

When I visited you were most helpful to me.

WhiteWolf

04/04/2019 11:03PM

double post- many other caught this day over 30" when it got ridiculous. Best big walleye day of my life for fish over 8lbs. At least 6 over 28" in a 6 hour period.

Kendis

05/26/2022 10:38AM

Yes, I do mean Cooke Custom Sewing (CCS). Thanks for pointing out the typo.

Jackfish

05/26/2022 09:39AM

Kendis... you mention CSS. Do you mean CCS (Cooke Custom Sewing)? Just helping with clarity.

pkrien

05/26/2022 09:42AM

Just curious, what time does everyone try and shoot for when putting in on your first day?

Jackfish

02/23/2023 06:49AM

gravelroad

04/21/2023 07:43PM

If you have Facebook access and are willing to join the group where this was posted, this will be of interest. (I have no particular skin in this game until I find a pile of leaves in our yard big enough to hide another canoe ...)

Visit to Redfeather factory by a recent purchaser

VoyageurNorth

04/23/2019 04:18PM

ILikePike: "Thanks VoyageurNorth for the info, that's kind of what I thought.

We have a two canoe rack for our vehicle, so we would be able to just put it in the extra spot. Would outfitters usually supply the ropes/ratchets for this even if we supply the vehicle rack? And are carrying yokes including in the rental price or is that added on?

We also plan on picking up our permit at the Kawishiwi Ranger station in Ely. If we decide to rent a canoe through an outfitter, is it possible to pick up the permit there so we don't have to make two stops?"

We do supply the straps (much better than rope) to use on your rack. And the canoes also come with the carrying yoke. I'm sure all or most outfitters have that too.

You can always change your permit issuing station from the Kawishiwi station to an outfitter. Our hours are 5 am to 10 pm, so if you want to pick up your permit at our place, you are welcome to change it and have it issued here (or whatever outfitter you have chosen, if they are a permit cooperator)

banned by jackfish

05/28/2022 11:36AM

Jackfish: "Not trying to be snarky here, but what answers are you looking for? Are you going to cancel your trip? Replace the word "flooding" with "mosquitos". Same thing. Just go and enjoy yourself."

what a great guy jackfish is. thanks for banning me years ago for nothing with no warning.

talusman

03/25/2011 07:28PM

You must not have been reading the Board for a while. This and related hammock discussions have been occurring and this topic has been covered a few times.
The short answer is that with the right equipment you can hang in virtually any temperature. People have hung in well below 0 temperatures. I've slept in the mid-twenties with a closed cell foam pad and a regular sleeping bag.
The best hammock depends.
Scroll down for additional information or go here for an in depth discussion. Hammock forums

VoyageurNorth

04/23/2019 04:23PM

What did you enter? could you have entered part lower case? Could you have entered something else on the address wrong where it didn't "match". Did you transpose a number?

Or, did you figure it out now? :-)

Jackfish

07/03/2023 01:20PM

Most likely any of the Ely area outfitters will accommodate you. Here is a list of options for you to call.

YaMarVa

07/03/2023 03:36PM

I'd be curious what your husband did that your selling his canoe. Poor guy must have really screwed up.

bobbernumber3

07/03/2023 09:02PM

ManAndDog

04/05/2019 09:25AM

I would highly recommend Piragis

04/05/2019 09:17AM

iCallitMaize

07/09/2023 10:34AM

Jackfish

09/12/2023 11:01PM

Boonie, please edit your post and add more information.

goatroti

04/30/2020 05:41PM

Argo: "unshavenman: "Fingers crossed for my Argo Darky loop starting July 19th......."

You're confusing me with the Canadian prime minister. I don't do black-face. Trust me, you don't even want to hear me sing. "

Comment deleted.

thlipsis29

05/14/2020 04:34PM

My biggest issue is that they have published definitive dates: day use will begin May 5 and overnight permits will start on May 19. Nothing in what I read suggested that these dates were questionable. If there was any doubt, and clearly there has been in this entire pandemic, they could have easily stated something to the extent that these dates are estimates. If they have to walk this back, it won't be very pretty. My permit is for May 22, so obviously I have a vested interest in whatever decision they make. If you publish dates, have your "ducks in a row."

solotrip

04/05/2019 07:06PM

I will post this here and be very clear. The park office can say whatever they wish, their story changes daily as over the last 2 days I have received numerous copies of their replies to individuals that have sent into the park. Funny how that is as our laws are black and white.

1: Snowmobiling is 100% legal in WCPP in permitted zones. A permit is required
2: Permits are sold by the WCPP office.
3: The government of the province cannot sell permits to access a zone, and then have an employee publicly make an example out of someone that does something within their legal rights.
4: This is exactly what happened here. The park office put out misinformation to serve their own interests and as a result, several people called my business out and said we committed a criminal act.
5: After several phone calls and emails and a few days, the WCPP Facebook page removed their initial post and replaced it with a new one.....A PRETTY GLARING ADMISSION THAT THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG HERE!
6: The damage was done and I asked for an apology.....instead I received nothing. Just told the case is closed and to have a good day.....anyone else think that's wrong?
7: This is the 4th time "Claire" has had a social media post / message amended or removed because it targeted my business....anyone else think that's wrong?

I have tried to post photo's of the letter in the video but the site won't currently let me do this....hopefully it will later on.

The park office can spin their web as much as they want. Facts are facts and they tell a story. In my case, they tell the truth. I will always stand up for my rights and laws of this province. I will always expose rogue government workers that seek to destroy others. Many of you on this board know me and you know I bleed for this park, a lot more than those that work for it.

Harlan Schwartz

solotrip

04/05/2019 07:44PM

Hey there,

Actually I made it quite clear in the video. Crystal clear. Government and their employees take an oath to state the facts and laws and never lie or mislead or misinform. "Claire" took it upon herself to post something on an official government page that shed my business in a bad light, and as a result I was called a criminal....this is 100% fact and backed up in paperwork and emails. She made that post (which has now been removed but which I clearly show a picture of in the video), knowing full well that what she was saying was not true....I mean, she would have to know as she's the very person that sells the permits for the activity she claims is not permitted .......not to mention working for the office for over 20 years and being a deputy conservation officer.

The bottom line here is she has a personal issue with me that she let cloud her judgment.....and not just this time, several times before as well. She was caught and now the office is trying to back pedal away from it. This is all in the public light now and seeing the response from the public, I would suggest that Ontario Parks has a problem here.

If someone can tell me how to post a picture here, I'll post the letter written by claire on official Ontario Parks letterhead discussing the purchase of permits to snowmobile in WCPP authorized zone.....this is a black and white case.

gkimball

04/05/2019 07:35PM

As one who worked in park management for over 20 years and got caught up in many such situations it strikes me that this person never describes what exactly what he did or wants to do that the park managers are in opposition to.

Neither side is very effective at establishing the facts underlying this rhubarb. So until they are put forth in a way that people can understand, this whole thread is not going to help resolve anything.

Can anyone point to a description of the facts?

kimbret1

03/22/2022 06:38PM

OregonDave

04/06/2019 12:19PM

<gkimball: "As one who worked in park management for over 20 years and got caught up in many such situations it strikes me that this person never describes what exactly what he did or wants to do that the park managers are in opposition to. >>>

'Solotripper' outfitter has an anger management issue. He was plenty friendly when I chatted with him at 2018 Canoecopia. When I visited his business in Red Lake last year, and sought to buy some stove gas...he quizzed me about my canoe and asked who was taking me into the entry point...a different outfitter who I'd used before... "Why not me?" He aggressively responded; "I'm a real outfitter!" He did sell me the gas...although he clearly did not want to. His antagonism was palpable.

My wife and I were clearly taken aback by this. I try to be friendly with the various folks in hopes of gaining local knowledge. I've used various outfitters in Thunder Bay, Ely, Gunflint, Sawbill etc. etc. and they all seem to be mutually supportive.

I would note too, that on our shuttle out; we passed another couple at the next entry point...who were coming out a day early...but were unable to contact Harlan...so our outfitter graciously picked the paddler up...took him down the road to Red Lake, where he made his connection...along the way phoned Harlan, left message to let him know what's up. A real professional response. (in stark contrast)

That's my actual experience.

timatkn

04/06/2019 12:38PM

billconner: "Thank you!"

This is helpful information but It doesn’t really explain the original post stating Snowmobiling is illegal in WCPP? In fact it looks like that original post was in fact posted in an effort to make someone else look bad but unfortunately has reflected back badly on the park. I am sure both sides have some fault in this relationship issue, not taking sides on that, but this type of alleged (not really alleged because I’ve seen the original FB post in his video) behavior is unacceptable from a government official employee.

Maybe there is more to the story? but it looks bad and so far the evidence is presented is all against the park. To the previous poster...I’ve never met Solotrip, he might be the biggest a hole ever, what do I know? But he does have evidence on his side and government officials are not supposed to show bias.

To Solotrip...I don’t excuse anything about your complaint...but I’d also look deep into yourself and how you handle issues. Ask yourself what you really want to accomplish with the video and posting? If it was to make the poster (Claire?) look bad then check the box, but how does this help you or your business? Maybe try asking her or the park “I’ve obviously upset you or I am annoying you, I’d like to have a better relationship how do we go forward?” An olive branch goes a long way sometimes. This situation isn’t good for either of you so it is in both your best interests to get along better.

T

solotrip

04/06/2019 12:42PM

@oregon Dave...

I see you have tried to spam our Facebook and youtube accounts with this as well.

#1, stick to the facts.

#2, be honest please. If you want to try and make my business or me look bad, just be honest. I do remember well our interaction in my shop and someone was arrogant and aggressive but it wasn't me or my staff. I love how folks with an agenda try and turn things around.

#3: Go have a look at my record in business for the past 9 years....ask around to those who know me on this site....look at everything we have done for the park and accomplished. I'll keep my head high and always fight for what is right. Every year we have a few "bad apples" walk through our door. It doesn't stop us from our goal of continuing to work and promote an incredible wilderness resource.

I wish you well.....those who look to cast others in a bad light by lying and throwing around accusations that cannot be backed up never win.

Argo

07/19/2023 07:17AM

I think that portage, with all of its "modern conveniences" is actually outside of the park boundary.

I was last there in July of 2020. The Pickerel end was a full-on beach.

OregonDave

04/06/2019 11:05PM

solotrip: "@oregon Dave..... I do remember well our interaction in my shop and someone was arrogant and aggressive but it wasn't me or my staff. I love how folks with an agenda try and turn things around...

That's the Trumpiest response ever. I'd have been happy to have a pleasant conversation and exchange.

adam

05/15/2020 12:42PM

Maiingan

04/27/2023 07:27AM

Stumpy: "Do some of you portage your way to Northern MN on foot ?" I asked about this 60+ years ago and was told " these people are like children on a playground, the joy of playing with a toy taken is greater than playing with their own toy."

plmn

04/27/2023 06:38AM

Stumpy: "Do some of you portage your way to Northern MN on foot ?"

We don't drive through designated wilderness to get there.

timatkn, thanks for clarifying how the act was written. I don't agree that there would be much risk of opening everything back up for debate, but it would clearly be more involved than what I assumed. And like you, I decided I would simply avoid those areas. While I would prefer there was no motorized access, it's not that big of a deal to me because they are a small part of a big wilderness.

Stumpy

04/27/2023 01:04AM

Do some of you portage your way to Northern MN on foot ?

yellowcanoe

06/05/2020 06:37PM

ZaraSp00k: " here is why you should avoid Minneapolis, if at all possible "

knock it off. Of course no one wants to get or give it. I understand fear as I live in a tourist area and plenty of our neighbors are scared of anyone with foreign plates. But realistically is this a threat?

Sisterinlaw

08/14/2011 08:22AM

Soledad

10/11/2023 09:42AM

jwettelrin89

10/11/2023 03:14PM

scottiebaldwin: "amhacker22: "I hate to pile on this guy, but no life jacket is just dumb. Calling for an emergency evac on a non-life threatening injury without giving it a day seems like an abuse of the system.

I wasn’t there and it wasn’t my ankle, so I could be way off the mark. I need to be on deaths door before I’m calling a plane in, though."

You’re not piling on this guy at all. He is obviously a ding dong and he unnecessarily put people at risk basically for a social media post. Everyone who watched the whole video can tell this nincompoop is starved for attention. He couldn’t quite get his fake tears to flow either. I’m happy that the pilot and volunteer were so kind and stayed safe but I hope this ankle-twisting influencer never returns. "

So folks can call others ding dongs/nincompoop and I can't call them Karens for not minding their own business? The nonstop lifejacket shaming is absurd here.

jwettelrin89

10/11/2023 12:35PM

jwmiller39: "wear a fricken lifejacket man... ESPECIALLY when tripping solo... ESPECIALLY in the fall...

Also, here's your reminder that glass (i.e. tabasco bottle) is illegal in the BWCA. Not sure if you didn't care to read the rules or just didn't care to follow them."

Settle down Karen.

jwettelrin89

10/11/2023 12:31PM

ThyMuel1: "I am the guy who was flown out of Chad lake (the Youtube video).

There seems to be some confusion on who/what/where -

There were 2 plane evacs it seems from my research - one on Fri 9/22 on West Pike and another Thurs 9/28 (mine).

This was referred to as well - The "chaco wearing heavy load" guy, did not say if he was evacuated by plane or not from that area he was in - according to his Facebook post. Dont think he was evacuated by plane. He was over near Sawbill.

There seems to be some confusion on who/what/where.

The West Pike person had their canoe taken with the plane. No info has popped up about that case in particular, that I have seen.

I really appreciate being mocked..... Its warranted for not wearing my paddlers jacket - def not smart in hindsight. I do carry one specifically for whitewater, and large open water crossings. Didnt do myself justice, and should have been wearing it. As for putting music in my video, driving a long distance to get there, drinking a red bull.....that is worth bullying someone in the internet, because you dont approve of me making a film of my adventures? Some of you here are just rude, keyboard warriors.

I had newer calf high boots on, and plenty of support. I have a bad left ankle (the good ol' "highschool injury"), and the slightest pebble can cause it to roll, and my 200lbs will go with it most of the time. Its a harsh time, every time. Braces dont help. The only way out for me was the way I came in - that mile portage back to Pine Creek, then the 250 yard portage back to Trout Lake, and then the 900 yard from Trout to Vermillion, with 2 loads a piece. Thats around 5.2 miles of portaging to be done on a bad/swollen/sprained/bruised foot. Even with just one load, which would have been the canoe - would not have been smart.

I pressed the SOS button knowing that there was a "chance" that after a day or 2 (I did plan a rest day into my trip to fish and relax) I might be able to try and get out - but what convinced me to SOS is that knowing that I had sprained it 2x in a short span at the end of that portage. If I had went down in the middle of one of those portages, and could not walk out etc - I would be spending some time, potentially a night, on the forest floor completely exposed.

The biggest lesson that Ive taken from all of this, is that the USFS Pilot and EMT who first responded - told me that I made the right call. Read that again - The First Responders told me that I made the right call. The professionals, the people who do this daily, trained in wilderness first response, the people you'd be relying on if you found yourself in any kind of situation.... Told Me The I Made The Right Call. They literally said - if you find yourself questioning whether to call for help, then you probably need to call for help. There is nothing macho or alpha male about making a stupid decision to seem "tough" and try to "grind it out"

I know to some, I can never ever justify my SOS - facts dont always equate to logic in some eyes. Its just a simple truth. But you were not there, you were not in as much pain as I was. You have not been in that situation and analyzed all options in front of you."

Unfortunately the BWCA and this website draws an unusually large % of condescending holier than thou folks. Its like they have no value in their life without being a "true" BWCA steward.

scat

10/11/2023 03:26PM

Just read this. I couldn't care less if you wear a life jacket or smuggled in some Tabasco sauce. The unfortunate part for me is that one second you are screaming - I am such a badass!!! - then 20 seconds later in the video you are calling on a sat phone to be rescued, which seems tad extreme to me.

- Do you carry duct tape - an essential - could you have put a sock on and wrapped it like athletic tape and done the portages.
- Wait till the next day at least and see how it feels in the morning - keep it elevated - then try the above.
- It looks like you made it to a campsite, or could have - Why not spend a night in the BW then do the above - Sorry I'm saying this backwards but I stink at typing so I'm not doing it again. Spend a couple days even.
- I kinda think if you didn't have the sat phone you would have done all the above cuz you had no choice and could have got your butt outta there on your own and had a much better tale to tell.

Not judging you, it's free country last I heard, I just thought of these questions is all. Did you break the ankle, even then I think you could have made it out, everyone is different of course. Got one hell of a sweet plane ride, so that was nice I guess...

Cheers, scat

scat

10/11/2023 03:26PM

Argo

10/12/2023 06:54AM

ThyMuel1: "

As for putting music in my video, driving a long distance to get there, drinking a red bull.....that is worth bullying someone in the internet, because you dont approve of me making a film of my adventures? Some of you here are just rude, keyboard warriors.

"

Bullied? I'm not going to let that stand. Exactly how did I bully you? You hadn't even joined this conversation - nevermind this forum - when I wrote that. It was not directed to you but about you - someone whom noone thought would show up here. If I'm at a cocktail party and mention to a friend that I'm not a fan of Taylor Swift's music and later that evening Ms. Swift shows up to the party out of the blue and subsequently gets wind of my comment, I bullied her? It doesn't work that way.

Had you been a regular contributing member of this board I would have self-filtered as sure as I would have if I was later introduced to Taylor Swift. I believe that's how most people operate. I never intended on giving direct offence and that should be clearly obvious.

YaMarVa

10/12/2023 06:43AM

jwettelrin89: ""…So folks can call others ding dongs/nincompoop and I can't call them Karens for not minding their own business?…. "

Correct, because that word is a racist and sexist slur.

walllee

04/07/2019 04:26PM

Wallski: "Jamie B.: "Any idea on if there is a good amount of 30 inch walleye in the bwca?" I’ve caught hundreds of 25-34 inch walleyes in the B-dub. " Hundreds of 15 to 25 inch I might believe, many people here can claim that, but “ many” in the 30 to 34 inch range.... not buying it... unless you have been guiding on Sag for 30 years.... , or were part of the seagull river massacre back in the day.

Wallski

04/07/2019 04:38PM

Guided back in the day. 34 incher outta Insula May of 86. Lac la Croix to Sag plenty of thirty inchers.

Wallski

04/07/2019 03:40PM

Jamie B.: "Any idea on if there is a good amount of 30 inch walleye in the bwca?" I’ve caught hundreds of 25-34 inch walleyes in the B-dub.

billconner

04/07/2019 04:31PM

Marten: "For the sake of WCPP, Red Lake Outfitters, Ontario Parks, Harlan and Claire I ask that this issue is put to rest. As a fan of WCPP with great memories of awesome canoe trips in the park I ask this. Those trips involved a lot of assistance from Harlan and Claire. Another paddling season is fast approaching and for the sake of all human beings involved I would love to see this not aired on social media but over a cup of coffee at Tim Hortons. Do it for WCPP."

Amen! + Many, many. This and related are threads that should be deleted.

Metro-Mallard

04/07/2019 05:01PM

Lmfao it’s a photo who cares!

Pinetree

05/10/2022 08:54PM

Pinetree

05/10/2022 08:54PM

soft water

shoman99

05/11/2022 05:05AM

Winner?

moray

02/08/2024 08:21AM

Well that didn’t work!

billconner

01/25/2023 06:18PM

The maps at the site that shall not be named that show more potential sites at se end of BH.

emattinen

05/31/2022 07:10AM

gravelroad

01/24/2024 11:35AM

Duplicate.

BlackHawkFan

06/03/2022 04:52PM

bwcadan

06/03/2022 10:08PM

Bump: Still for sale

dentondoc

04/07/2019 05:52PM

I'd echo the same sentiment. Frankly, I don't see the upside for either party engaged in this dispute publicly posting their particular point of skew. You are both adults.
WORK IT OUT!

dd

barehook

08/22/2019 08:31AM

NorthBranchdavidian: "Sorry everyone. This was all most likely based on a lie anyways. 45" Walleye??? ROFLMAO...gasping for air. Don't be greedy, that's all. Fisherpeople on a good bite need to have restraint. Mortality rates have been studied to be as high as 23%. But again, 45" Walleye...so, none of this most likely took place. Too snarky? Maybe, but even using that word makes me feel silly.
Sorry to push the offended button on so many of you. You're correct when you say I could have gone about this in a much better way. I wasted what could have been a good point with bad text."

OK, wow, you got me....or not. Obvious stream of consciousness typo. I clearly said at the start of that post that it was was a 'big pike' story, and inadvertently typed in 'walleye' instead of 'pike' when giving the backstory from Woodland Caribou which was intended to illustrate that I have some context for estimating pike size. Here...see if this helps, I'll all cap it so I'm clear. I HAVE CAUGHT A 44 AND 45 INCH PIKE IN WOODLAND CARIBOU PROVINCIAL PARK. Hope that helps. And for the record, my personal best walleye from BWCA is 29.5 inches, which the charts say is in the range of 10 lbs.

Another things to consider if you want 'discussion'....using the word 'lie' is pretty loaded. Effectively you just called me a liar. "This was all most likely based on a lie anyways." Hint: Not the best way to start a serious conversation. Hope you got your breath back after gasping for air.

Now believe it or not....bottom line...I do think the issue you raised of catch and release mortality is real, and deserves conversation. But I'm still waiting for your 'solution' for those of us who work our asses off to get to a good lake for a fishing vacation, and find the fish biting. Reference my previous questions which you've never answered.

Frenchy19

04/29/2023 10:10PM

"Please no arguments about the political slant of one location or another."

I understand you making this statement, and I am not arguing in favor of one state over the other. That said, for you and your wife not to consider the political landscape of where you may move is folly at best.

TuscaroraBorealis

06/14/2022 06:24PM

You'd probably have better luck using this forum.

Perhaps a moderator will move it there for you?

Jackfish

06/14/2022 06:32PM

pmora, TB is correct. I’ll move this post after you let me know that you know it’s moving to the Items for Sale & Wanted forum. Don’t want you to think it was deleted.

bobbernumber3

04/25/2019 09:08PM

Wallski? Wallski? Wallski?

dschult2

07/02/2022 05:18PM

Kiporby: "They want proof of vaccination status to grant a RABC. Dumbest thing ever. Both vaccinated and the nonvaccinated are getting the new variants now. To go into the wilderness where I wont see a soul. Lame. Some of us can't get the vaccine. Some of us have had Covid multiple times and have natural immunity. Guess my Quetico days are over thanks to bureaucrats. :("
Oh man, here we go. How long till this thread get's locked?

Jackfish

07/05/2022 06:08PM

Argo: "I would be interested in finding out how many on these people quoted in this article that are making this decision have actually taken a tow, much less a BWCA trip? I’d be willing to bet the wilderness watch person that said tows are not necessary have never been on Moose with 2 foot whitecaps from the south. The system works, leave it alone.

Tag Error In Message

I did not write this. No idea how it got posted. "
Pat, should this post be deleted? Kind of sounds like it.

Argo

07/05/2022 08:08PM

Jackfish: "Argo: "I would be interested in finding out how many on these people quoted in this article that are making this decision have actually taken a tow, much less a BWCA trip? I’d be willing to bet the wilderness watch person that said tows are not necessary have never been on Moose with 2 foot whitecaps from the south. The system works, leave it alone.

Tag Error In Message

I did not write this. No idea how it got posted. "
Pat, should this post be deleted? Kind of sounds like it."

Yes please, Pete.

Jackfish

07/07/2022 10:17AM

What will you be carrying additionally with your female friend that would make for a significant change in the weight of your packs? Having taken trips with my wife, the packs always seemed to be about the same weight as when I travel with my son or buddies.

I don't know if you're thinking a fresh change of clothes each day or all sorts of personal items, but whatever it is, she should understand the goal of only packing the bare necessities just like anyone else.

jwmiller39

07/06/2022 12:37PM

Bjmd28: "I have don’t that same thing in the past. There is a good app called gpskit that lets you save offline satellite maps. It takes a little bit to figure it out though but works well. I just hate having my phone out because it feels like work. "

OnX works great for downloading offline maps for use in the BWCA. It also has the bwca campsites already mapped with waypoints which is super helpful so you dont have to be referencing multiple maps.

Jimtheboatguy

05/10/2020 08:51AM

Email sent... I have Souris River Quetico 16 for you... great price.... thanks.

Pinetree

07/12/2022 05:39PM

It's really the only forum anywhere where most if not all get along with each other and feel like family. There is kind of a bond I think?

bobbernumber3

08/29/2022 09:23AM

Arcticfern6: "I love listening to the Twins while fishing in BWCA. ..."

really??

Frenchy19

10/26/2022 10:54AM

A price and pics will help you move this item.

mgraber

02/18/2020 01:51PM

I stayed on Iron last summer. After picking up our permit at the ranger station in Ely, we had to wait for a late tow from Crane Lake to Bottle Portage because all of our gear and people (10) wouldn't fit into one of the outfitter's boats so we had to take two. Because of the late tow and a surprise side-trip into Lake Agnes, we didn't get to Iron until 6pm or so. We had our choice of a few campsites, with only a couple taken on the entire lake. This wasn't surprising considering it was the Saturday of Memorial Day weekend. We had a great time, except for one incredibly rude ranger that fined us for our beer cans! That part really peeved me as we had already dug a pit to bury the empties in. Would not recommend, for the amount of money I ended up spending we might as well have stayed at a hotel and eaten cod at restaurants for the week!"

The rules are very clear, no cans, and it is certainly NOT OK to bury them. You break a well known and clearly stated rule and you should expect consequences.

missmolly

09/13/2019 10:05AM

uqme2: "I'm fairly certain that if that Dem cu*t who ran against Him would have hired Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohen and Steven Mnuchin (hah ha), we would be having a totally different conversation today."

uqme2 calls Hillary a cunt and nearly a day later, no one has objected.

GSP

09/13/2019 10:16AM

missmolly: "uqme2: "I'm fairly certain that if that Dem cu*t who ran against Him would have hired Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohen and Steven Mnuchin (hah ha), we would be having a totally different conversation today."

uqme2 calls Hillary a cunt and nearly a day later, no one has objected. "

Not cool, word that should never be used in any company.

bwcasolo

04/09/2019 05:33PM

LindenTree

03/03/2020 07:29PM

Double post

yogi59weedr

01/31/2024 02:31PM

TomT

05/14/2020 08:03AM

Mongo19: "We found the end of the rainbow on Ensign Lake!

"

Looks like my kind of dog! :) What a beauty.

HangLoose

05/15/2020 01:06PM

Here is the Link to WTIP report which confirms the news.

mirth

03/10/2020 11:27AM

You can, but not in this forum. We have a for sale sub for that kind of stuff....

billconner

03/12/2020 05:39PM

nojobro: "quark2222: "I wonder when the One Match Band will figure out why no one showed up for their show(s)? They are probably on the road to Madison right now from Nashville.

Tomster"

Jerry's in Madison already and will do a Facebook live concert tonight at 8pm"

Is it someplace live in Madison? I'm in town too.

OgimaaBines

02/02/2024 12:06AM

Dreaded repost

barehook

08/20/2019 11:41AM

thegildedgopher: ""Fished deep mid-lake reefs and points, 15-25 feet. "

I guess I don't consider 15-25 feet to be the serious danger zone.

I personally won't fish any deeper than 20 this time of year unless I am meat hunting, and once I catch my limit I will either stop fishing or change up my tactic/target species to allow me to fish C&R in a manner that makes me feel confident the fish have a future.

Thanks for the report barehook."

Thanks for thoughtful responses. I might add we don't Lindy Rig, which I think makes deep hooking more likely. I don't 'play fish out', get 'em in quick and release is my approach, so I think that lessens stress. And my understanding is that barotrauma isn't an issue at the depths we fish. Never saw any evidence of it (bladder in throat, for instance).

Anyway, food for thought. I may have to re-think the mortality issue a little. I also want the fish to have a future. Maybe one good 'next step' for me would be to go barbless, making release happen even more quickly.

Jackfish

03/17/2020 08:55PM

Jackfish

07/03/2019 08:43AM

AmarilloJim

07/03/2019 10:04AM

I think there is a Bloomington in every state. I assume you are in MN.

dmpaul

06/11/2020 09:58AM

We'll plan on checking out Lockport.

04/12/2019 11:01AM

Jackfish: " Winner - Photo of the Year "

05/16/2019 10:27AM

browndog16

07/03/2019 02:47PM

Yes sorry Bloomington minnesota

It's not fun being exhiled

04/29/2019 06:52AM

And some members have been removed for saying, hey why did you delete that topic?

Woods Walker

03/24/2013 10:38AM

quote Woods Walker: "quote TuscaroraBorealis: "Check out this forum. Cool spots in canoe country "

So how do I get access to post on this hidden little gem?"

Never mind, I found it

Basspro69

03/25/2013 07:20AM

Mustangt125

03/25/2013 11:49AM

Where is this Insula lake? I must go.

Tomcat

06/10/2023 08:46AM

TrailZen

06/10/2023 02:02PM

Hey, BellCanoe--
Welcome to the BWCA.com messageboard. You'll get better responses adding photos and putting them with an ad in the "Items For Sale or Wanted" Forum. Good luck with the sale.

TZ

missmolly

06/10/2023 07:40PM

Sparkeh: "I vote to stop locking any thread. Let natural discussion take place. "

It's noteworthy that not only don't you contribute to the site, but have never contributed to the site.

missmolly

06/10/2023 07:41PM

DukeC: "x2"

Another non-contributor.

missmolly

06/10/2023 07:43PM

Freddy: "
BWCA.com is and has been a great discussion forum. A forum being an online discussion board where people can ask questions, share their experiences, and discuss topics of mutual interest. Over the many years I have been a member I have truly enjoyed and learned a lot from the threads posted on this site.

For the first time I can remember, a thread regarding mining in the boundary waters was "Locked from Responses". Preventing exactly what the purpose of a message board is all about. I realize that this particular topic is controversial, dare I say polarizing? However, the site hosts have always done a great job of moderating and keeping discussions respectful. When some discussions crossed that line the thread was appropriately removed. I can't think of any topic that is more pertinent and relevant to this message board than potential mining in the boundary waters. I assume that thread was blocked as a preemptive measure in anticipation that the discussion might become overly emotional and disrespectful. While such action is understandable, I believe this prevents an important opportunity for reasonable dialog on this issue. IMHO"

I urge you to donate too.

Loony_canoe

03/05/2023 08:56AM

Duplicate, sorry.

pswith5

03/05/2023 06:42PM

I know a guy named Guy. Kind of weirdo.

Knoozer

04/30/2020 10:26PM

double post. Too much bourbon.

backwoodshunter

04/15/2020 07:00AM

drrick: "Wow, what a great discussion. Many great and thoughtful points have been made. I don't mind the political flavor of some of the posts. Molly and others have helped me understand other world views than mine with often sharp or overtly political speech. This virus issue is ripe for political lines of discussion.

Much has been made about listening to the science. Folks tell us we must trust the science. Well most of us trust the science when the results are in line with our political views. By the way. Serious studies have shown that a significant amount of Medical and other research is outright fraud. Political and economic motivations of those who sponsor research clearly effects interpretation of data and by extension conclusions.

At the risk of sounding political. I am very happy and quite satisfied with the way POTUS is directing the response to Covid 19. It does not offend me to hear others express other sentiments. Iron sharpens iron.

lol. Im not going to review reliable sources of information 101 here or discuss the dynamics of the research process ect. Research isnt fraud, most/all research has limitations or a select few variables that affect its results which are always stated but that would entail you actually reading that study :) Gov Walz, Trump, USFS ect are going to lean on the medical community and when someone gets sick or say unfortunately is diagnosed with cancer, they are going to read and cite the most relevant trials or published studies say in American Journal of Medicine for example.

yogi59weedr

05/07/2022 11:44PM

Ok.
About that PP thing.
How in the he'll do they get that information.....

Is that even fair.

cknlg1

01/28/2019 08:34AM

TTT

shock

05/17/2019 06:30PM

D.P.

missmolly

08/20/2019 12:07PM

Barehook, I used to work with troubled boys (over nearly 30 years) and I'd sometimes take them fishing after school, as well as tubing, camping, canoeing, caving, etc. One of my fellow colleagues was critical of our having fun at the fishes' expense, but she was a big time canoeist too and I thought about the animals who were obliterated on her windshield and grill when she went canoeing. And then there's the annual American roadkill: 41 million squirrels, 26 million cats, 22 million rats, 19 million opossums, 15 million raccoons, 6 million dogs, and 350,000 deer, about 15 animals every second. Then there are the millions of animals that killed as we extract the minerals to build cars. And that's just cars. Airplanes and skyscrapers kill animals too, as does just about everything we do to make our lives easier and or more fun. It's hard not to kill.

I am comforted by Physics 101: Matter is neither created nor destroyed and the total amount of mass and energy in the universe is constant.

Fish that we accidentally kill are eaten by gulls and turtles, just as we'll become worms' meat one day.

mutz

04/15/2019 01:16PM

CardinalNation

11/24/2018 11:07AM

zika

05/01/2019 09:18AM

Yeah Walski. Square stern wheelchair with 2 hp Johnson kicker, 7 poles hanging off of it to snag widows.

toastedmarshmallow12

06/13/2023 07:53PM

Jackfish

03/18/2019 09:19PM

nofish

05/02/2019 08:27AM

butthead: "Do it!
I would also suggest a delay of a week between registering and being able to post.

butthead"

Had this rule been in place I likely wouldn't have ever become an active member. I registered years ago when researching a trip and I'm sure my first post was a question related to that first trip. I'm guessing thats how most people find the site and are most likely to register and engage with a post or 2. The odds of them coming back a full week later to ask the question they had the week prior is slim to none. By then they've either found the answer else where or forget to come back here to ask the question. If you want new users its best to capture them while you have them here not frustrate them by letting them register but then forcing them to come back a full week later before being able to engage with the site. Sure it comes with a small percentage of people registering with an alternate agenda but sometimes you have to accept a little bit of that. No forum is immune from it although this one seems to suffer from much less than others I frequent.

As far as not allowing guests to post if its become an problem them I'm all for eliminating it. Its pretty standard forum practice to require registration before posting so I doubt is impacts new users that really want to engage.

Jackfish

05/02/2019 09:27AM

The short answer is, they're in there. I can't remember a leech attaching itself to me but I'm sure it's happened sometime over the 30+ trips I've made up there.

A leech doesn't hurt you. Just pluck it off and toss it away. If the slim possibility of having a leech attach itself to you while you're in the water grosses you out that badly, you're going to have to stay out of the water or stay home. It's not like you're walking into the Amazon river full of piranhas with your leg bleeding.

What happens if the water goes over the top of your rubber boots? Just wet foot it and enjoy being up there. I'm sorry, but I wouldn't have much patience or understanding if someone in our group had the same issue.

WhiteWolf

06/14/2023 03:21PM

toastedmarshmallow12: "WhiteWolf: "Reply to Toasted-

"Also, they have more things to consider than just the weather. "

I get it.

But really? If it was +RA with 2-3" rainfall in for today PM into tonight-- things would be a little differnt?> NO?>
Weather always rules in decision making in fires ( if not-- it should) -- and then safety after that .Just my .02 and I'am biased-

The Pagaimi Creek situation was toatally "F'd " up and what I'am basically alluding too.

Hope they get on this AND FAST-- as winds in 48 hours are not conducive to easy mitigation. "

Awful judgemental from someone who is in a profession that gets the forecast wrong all the time despite having technology and experience.

No, people come first. What a terrible statement. You think a couple of tress come before the lives of firefighters. Gross."

Comical. Sorry mod's for having this go this way..... And the ( YOUR ) forecast is Wrong all the time. --- despite what??
Sick of idiots like the above bashing "weather guys/ Climate guys".
Read my posts on here pertaining to the weather etc.- I think I do a pretty good job . I think most on reading would support me.
Enjoy the weather - it's the only weather you got.

WhiteWolf

06/14/2023 02:43PM

Reply to Toasted-

"Also, they have more things to consider than just the weather. "

I get it.

But really? If it was +RA with 2-3" rainfall in for today PM into tonight-- things would be a little differnt?> NO?>
Weather always rules in decision making in fires ( if not-- it should) -- and then safety after that .Just my .02 and I'am biased-

The Pagaimi Creek situation was toatally "F'd " up and what I'am basically alluding too.

Hope they get on this AND FAST-- as winds in 48 hours are not conducive to easy mitigation.

toastedmarshmallow12

06/14/2023 02:53PM

WhiteWolf: "Reply to Toasted-

"Also, they have more things to consider than just the weather. "

I get it.

But really? If it was +RA with 2-3" rainfall in for today PM into tonight-- things would be a little differnt?> NO?>
Weather always rules in decision making in fires ( if not-- it should) -- and then safety after that .Just my .02 and I'am biased-

The Pagaimi Creek situation was toatally "F'd " up and what I'am basically alluding too.

Hope they get on this AND FAST-- as winds in 48 hours are not conducive to easy mitigation. "

Awful judgemental from someone who is in a profession that gets the forecast wrong all the time despite having technology and experience.

No, people come first. What a terrible statement. You think a couple of tress come before the lives of firefighters. Gross.

WhiteWolf

06/14/2023 03:21PM

toastedmarshmallow12

06/14/2023 03:40PM

WhiteWolf: "toastedmarshmallow12: "WhiteWolf: "Reply to Toasted-

"Also, they have more things to consider than just the weather. "

I get it.

But really? If it was +RA with 2-3" rainfall in for today PM into tonight-- things would be a little differnt?> NO?>
Weather always rules in decision making in fires ( if not-- it should) -- and then safety after that .Just my .02 and I'am biased-

The Pagaimi Creek situation was toatally "F'd " up and what I'am basically alluding too.

Hope they get on this AND FAST-- as winds in 48 hours are not conducive to easy mitigation. "

Awful judgemental from someone who is in a profession that gets the forecast wrong all the time despite having technology and experience.

No, people come first. What a terrible statement. You think a couple of tress come before the lives of firefighters. Gross."

Comical. Sorry mod's for having this go this way..... And the ( YOUR ) forecast is Wrong all the time. --- despite what??
Sick of idiots like the above bashing "weather guys/ Climate guys".
Read my posts on here pertaining to the weather etc.- I think I do a pretty good job . I think most on reading would support me.
Enjoy the weather - it's the only weather you got.
"

I stand by what I said. Trees do not come before the lives of firefighters.

Captn Tony

06/22/2023 11:31AM

2X post

ROAM app

05/03/2019 08:07AM

To answer your question you are supposed to have a valid travel document with you. That could be a passport book, passport card, NEXUS card, global entry card, or enhanced drivers license. Reporting to US Customs when you return from Canada is easier now with the ROAM app. Download the app and once you get to an area with cell service or WiFi you can report back using the app.

YaMarVa

07/27/2023 01:17PM

Here's another topic for what LNT means.

I am sorry you lost your mother-in-law to cancer, its a horrible disease.

yogi59weedr

07/27/2023 06:33PM

Your better off just picking one, instead of asking a bunch of strangers to help you break a law.
Sorry...

Sparkeh

07/28/2023 06:01AM

yogi59weedr: "Your better off just picking one, instead of asking a bunch of strangers to help you break a law.
Sorry..."

Wow

JimmyJustice

03/27/2023 03:37PM

Dreamer

03/27/2023 11:06PM

Buhlie

08/03/2023 09:45PM

Frenchy19: "Don Henley is one of the biggest jack wads in rock history, and that is quite the accomplishment."

Agreed. I’m with Jeffrey “The Dude” Lebowski

PabloKabo

08/07/2023 12:48AM

Savage Voyageur

07/18/2019 12:23PM

Pinetree: "It belongs in this forum. It is not about politics. It is about future of this BWCA and even this forum.
Science or the facts can be just that.
The Arizona mining operation is huge and in a much much drier climate and much safer. Yes there are concerns there also. Lot of info on that site if people want to look at it. I did.
Copper at present is in the surplus and is at $2.62 per pound. Twin Metal and copper mining companies use the standard of $3.00 to $3.50 to break even.
Even if no further comments made it is nice to see the info-article and each and everyone can make a decision.
Also at present many EPA rules are being ignored Nation wide and no consequences for wrong doing.

I also see Montana has a a new copper mine wanting to open where severe pollution has happen in the past and still toxic. Montana people are raising concerns also.

In some ways I think Polymet and Twin mine are two different scenarios completely.

Yes I will also eat agriculture products and commend my farming friends,but I don't want farming to take place in close to certain waterways or potential pollution. Everywhere at all times is not a option on most things in life.
Maybe its best to say your thoughts once and that is enough here. Yes that is hard to do.
Life is full of people with different opinions,yes we should respect that and yes that is hard also to do many, times.
"

Not about politics??? The header line in the article starts out bashing Trump. It’s from the liberal news from the New York Post. It’s all about politics and slanted from the start.

Wallski

05/08/2019 10:01PM

I’ll be all slip-bobber this year. Walleyes are running hard yet. Last I heard leech lake peaked last weekend. I’m set up now and the walleyes are thick. It’s like roasting marshmallows.

Wallski

05/08/2019 10:21PM

Richwon4: "Crazy Question Here....
I have never trolled spoons. I do troll from a canoe but have never used spoons due to the weight and packing, etc. If I bring spoons this year, how might a guy go about trolling a spoon vs. a crank bait. What depth and approximate speed etc.? Thanks."
Take duh treble hook off duh spoon! Next tie 15-20 inches of line behind duh spoon of your choice. Next make a rig to your liking and put a Cisco packaged bait for da trailer ehh. I Perfur da chrome doctor spoon ehh.

Wallski

05/08/2019 10:26PM

Make sure ya got duh doctor spoon with the little two red eyes.

Jurbs08

05/09/2019 04:19PM

Jointed Flickr shad, or jointed husky jerk will be trolled to camp. Struggling a bit on choices myself...

YaMarVa

02/19/2024 11:48AM

gvpant

01/29/2020 02:47PM

gvpant: "We noticed that last year. Lots of nice campsites empty in mid May on the weekend. Thought that was suspect as far as permits not getting used.
"
This was on Basswood btw.

Captn Tony

08/09/2023 04:35PM

Captn Tony: "Heading south on i35, is it still one lane between Albert Lea and the cities?

Captn Tony

08/09/2023 04:36PM

Double post!

Jackfish

07/17/2022 09:37PM

Only if the Canadian customs station on Sand Point Lake and the LLC ranger station are both open. RABC permits aren’t needed to enter Q at LLC.

Jaiden05

03/31/2023 03:49PM

gravelroad

07/18/2022 11:52AM

Trails End Campground. The rest of these people don’t know what they’re talking about. (JUST KIDDING!)

Trails End Campground

Way of the Wilderness Canoe Outfitters is adjacent to the campground and has canoes, other gear and bunkhouses available. (The cafe is closed until next year.)

Way of the Wilderness Canoe Outfitters

barehook

08/22/2019 09:31AM

I've noticed the 'fizzing' articles over the last several years.

I 'think' but am not sure, that one clear indicator for doing this is if the swim bladders distend and become visible in the fish's throat. Personally I've never seen that in any of my fishing, including winter fishing for crappie down to 25 feet. But maybe I'm being naive. Anyone have any links that would illuminate?

The last issue of In Fisherman had an article featuring 'giant walleye'. On some of the really big lakes, they are being caught down to 60 feet trolling with lead core, etc. I found myself wondering about fish safety when being brought up from those depths.

HawgHunter

08/22/2019 09:50AM

barehook:....But I'm still waiting for your 'solution' for those of us who work our asses off to get to a good lake for a fishing vacation, and find the fish biting. Reference my previous questions which you've never answered."

This really is a worthy discussion, despite the snark. I, too, am interested in the proposed "solution". Is it that you should stop fishing at a certain point after catching/releasing so many fish? If so, what is that threshold? Exactly how many fish caught/released is too many? At what point should we stop fishing? After 20 walleyes? 30? 15? 50? And who is the High Priest that gets to decide this magic number and finger-wag it at others?

bottomtothetap

02/24/2024 12:48PM

adam

03/03/2023 08:42AM

I am sure it won't last long:

BWCA Permit Availability Alerts

Permit Found Available for: 14 - Little Indian Sioux North (OP) - OvernightPaddle

Entry Date: 2023-08-03

View Details

Dreamer

03/03/2023 11:03PM

Gun

dschult2

07/25/2022 10:27AM

thegildedgopher: "Way to persevere, Luigi! I think this is the dog that the 1 was quite convinced was stolen on a portage?"
It is. Regardless, very awesome news!

Spartan2

08/06/2022 08:29AM

I agree with TZ.

Stumpy

03/01/2023 06:36AM

Sorry
I read over the list of Canoecopia exhibitors.
Although I'd like to see many of you.
They are not getting my money and I won't be there.
Stumpy

ZaraSp00k

10/03/2019 02:54PM

justpaddlin: "I don't mean to argue with either of you but I think things will get better as our population gets more diverse (not just old white guys in charge) and I also think the next generations will be smarter and are already saying they seek and value more than just money. I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm also glad I never saw the political forum."

and yet you sneak your political views in a thread about the death of a political thread

one of my favorite Clint Eastwood quotes: opinions are like A-H's, everyone has one

Pinetree

07/19/2019 03:14PM

missmolly: "
One of the worst I seen was on Woodside in Quetico. They tore up big matts of moss to put under their tent-camping spot. Some of those moss areas take decades to grow. Didn't look good.

Fly on the wall

08/11/2022 01:09PM

tonecoughlin: "
I would have just done your thing there as if there were no campers at all."

tonecoughlin: "

I wasn't saying I would personally do it just stating that it's possible.

little bit of contradiction there. you literally said you'd "do your thing
as if there were no campers at all" (i.e. walking into someones occupied campsite), then you walked it back and said you didn't say what you literally just said

adam

04/11/2023 03:42PM

top

CardinalNation

08/15/2022 10:14AM

Zup's Resort & Canoe Outfitters on Lac La Croix
Mark or Kathy Zup
(807) 485-2492
Zup's Outfitters

They can put you directly into the BWCA with no portages or the Quetico with one short portage. This could be very helpful with 3 kids.

They will be make sure you are well fed with a great food menu.

Jackfish

08/15/2022 08:23AM

Tim, I see that you're a new member. Welcome to the board! I'll be moving this to the "Items for Sale or Wanted" forum. Just acknowledge this post so you know where it will be going. Thanks.

TimF

08/15/2022 07:01PM

I updated my posting for the Minnesota II

ockycamper

08/15/2022 04:55PM

You can find these new for $3,199 on line. Even the Boundary Waters Catalogue is $3,799. And those are new boats. You didn't mention how old yours was.

KampingKim

08/18/2022 11:05AM

petehal

08/18/2022 09:48AM

gravelroad

08/25/2022 07:28AM

This will answer many of your questions and keep you out of trouble with the feds:

Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness Trip Planning Guide

Marten

08/25/2022 09:26AM

Bjmd28: "Follow up question. Will I be happier with a gps unit that uses AA batteries or an integrated battery? I think I know the answer. "

The future is integrated batteries. Newer cameras need the power so time to pick up at least a 10 inch solar panel and a battery pack.

mcdou77

08/25/2022 12:37PM

Lost SWATCH analog watch at Lake Rose. My daughter left it lake side when she went for a swim. Please contact me if found. Thank you!

schweady

08/25/2022 05:18PM

Just trying to get 'er back to plain text... :-)

Zwater

07/19/2019 10:25PM

old_salt: "Who said the glaciers are retreating?"

The liberals:)

shock

02/26/2023 07:56PM

billconner

06/11/2015 11:51AM

double post - delete please

x2jmorris

04/07/2020 05:36AM

BWPaddler: "I agree that Facebook is a scourge, even though I am there a lot. But for purposes of connecting with people over canoe country, this site can't be beat.

I love the fact that the topics can be organized into forums and that the threads are easily scanned for their topics. Facebook is just not "organized" at all."
Reddit has a BWCA page that is organized fairly well. I really like the message alerts on there over this site, but that is about it.

bobbernumber3

05/10/2023 08:03PM

...

yogi59weedr

09/13/2022 12:09AM

Also regarding why people carry guns in campgrounds. Google. Family killed in Iowa State Park 2 months ago.
Might help ya make up your mind.

schweady

09/14/2022 07:45PM

cyclones30: "What price?"
Firm, apparently. :-)

mfliehr

09/14/2022 08:31PM

Yeah, sorry I've been more than a little sleep deprived & out of sorts since my wife's heart attack on Sunday. Listing should read correctly now.

Frenchy19

09/14/2022 07:52PM

schweady: "cyclones30: "What price?"
Firm, apparently. :-)

"

Good one!

Gaidin53

09/16/2022 12:55AM

Anybody picked up a route plan of maps from Wabakimi maps? I was intrigued by what they had available and that they can put together a specific route as well. If you go through Wabakimi outfitters they do this for you as well as part of the cost with all the knowledge they have. I tend to like more information so when I figure out my route in Wabakimi for next year I’ll probably get maps from all 3 sources.

I will say I uploaded the gpx files available on PP the route planner lots of us use. They have a gpx file with the campsites, and another one with the portage landings. I uploaded to my Garmin Explore and was pretty happy with it. I still need more detail though and will most likely get the track maps chip for Ontario.

I’ll include a couple of screen shots from Garmin explore

Ryan

mschi772

09/19/2022 09:51PM

Deeznuts: "As much as I love to promote BWCA whenever possible, i do think the interactive map through addle planner is easier to navigate. If you hit the explore button you can select any campsite and get the same feature as what is offered on this site without having to navigate to too many different pages"

For a variety of reasons, I prefer that site and actually do not promote this one all that much anymore. The fact that you can't even name that other site is a part of the bigger picture, and I expect your post is going to get a spanking if it gets noticed.

GunflintTrailAngler

09/20/2022 01:37AM

Don’t forget a roll of this…

kentcarol

05/28/2020 07:43PM

kentcarol: "

schweady

05/29/2020 08:31PM

HighnDry

05/24/2020 02:16PM

barehook

08/22/2019 10:43AM

That Woodland Caribou experience was a whole different game. We were flown in with a canoe strapped on, dropped off, never saw another person. We knew from a friend the lake is loaded with walleye, and has some giant pike. It's kind of a mixed bag for fishing. Unbelievable numbers of walleye, but neither we (nor my friend in 4 trips) ever caught one over 22 inches. Generally the size was 13-16 inches. It appears that the trophy pike feast on the overabundant walleye population. The lake also has a modest lake trout population as per reports and my friend. We tried trolling one afternoon, never caught one, I've never caught a lake trout in my life. But it was while trolling that I got one of those big pike. The other was on a jig while fishing for walleye.

In the end I found the trip to be a good one-time experience. You can only catch so many 'same-size' small walleye before it gets a little tedious. And the lake has no smallmouth.

My friend also quit fishing there. Had to get flown out four days early (luckily had a sat phone) due to a bear which invaded and semi-destroyed their camp.

All part of the adventure.

missmolly

12/18/2019 01:24PM

Bushpilot: "gravelroad: "ZaraSp00k: "ethics are like morals, basically somebody's opinion.

the BWCA rules don't require it, that's good enough for me

neither do Quetico, WC, or Wabakimi, in fact, I've never been anywhere that require it, if you want to impose your morals and ethics upon us, that is your right, but it is our right to refuse it"
Who the hell ever said anything about imposing my morals and ethics on you? I said the matter bears consideration."
Don't let that troll bother you. All the troll has to offer is opinion. "

Zara likes to argue. That doesn't make him a troll. If it does, then you're a troll and I'm a troll, which we aren't.

AmarilloJim

08/14/2019 09:14AM

I consider quality rain gear the most important clothing item I take.

TentBear

09/28/2022 10:05AM

adam: "It is time to start the September 2022 Photo Contest, as well as, Trip Report Contest.

First an important note. If you see that you have won the contest or a prize in the contest, please email your address and choice of hat, shirt, or decals to me.

Monthly Theme: Storms in Canoe Country

Show us your storm pictures!

Prize: BWCA Hat, Shirt, or Decals.

Trip Report Contest: Any trip report published in a month is in the running for winning the prize. See the trip report contest page for more details - Trip Report Home Page

Thanks to Cooke Custom Sewing (CCS) for sponsoring the year-end prize!

Remember 1 entry per person, please. This helps us vote accurately.

Rules:
- You must be signed in as a member with a valid email address in your profile to enter (or win).
- You can only enter one photo per monthly contest. You can enter the same photo if it did not win with it prior.
- Photos don't need to be taken in the month of the photo contest. You can enter any photo you have taken which matches the theme.
- You must be the photographer of the photo and have the right to post it.
- Photos are entered in the contest by making a reply posting to this message and using the "Add a photo to this message" link during composition. This will allow you to upload a photo from your computer to the contest or allow you to select a photo that you have already loaded into your photo gallery on this site. If you want to enter your photo in another way, please contact us.
- Please describe in the message the location of the photo.
- Judging will be done by the www.bwca.com staff and moderators.
- A member may win once per year.
- Photos must be posted to this thread by 11:59pm on Sept 30th. Photos must be in jpg (jpeg) or png format and uploaded to this site.

Thank you for participating!"

Cleantaxidermy

03/10/2023 06:20PM

I will like to sell my own

Dazed

06/06/2019 02:20PM

tumblehome

10/28/2022 12:14PM

Honestly a worthless map. Fishing isn’t perpetually good in most spots.
Think of the disappointment a person will get when they don’t pull up loads of fish in the spot marked for walleye and trout.

What did people do in the old days before the interweb and fish finders?

Is there no longer any sense of adventure in the wilderness? Do we need to know what is around every bend, and know everything about a campsite before we find it? I intentionally do not research my new wild places before I go to keep the element of the unknown where it should be.

Rant off.

Tom

pamonster

10/28/2022 02:08PM

tumblehome: "Honestly a worthless map. Fishing isn’t perpetually good in most spots.
Think of the disappointment a person will get when they don’t pull up loads of fish in the spot marked for walleye and trout.

What did people do in the old days before the interweb and fish finders?

Is there no longer any sense of adventure in the wilderness? Do we need to know what is around every bend, and know everything about a campsite before we find it? I intentionally do not research my new wild places before I go to keep the element of the unknown where it should be.

Rant off.

Tom"

Honestly a worthless post. Different strokes for different folks man, no need to be so negative.....

Although I can tell you before the interweb there wasn't interweb trolls....

dsmith1979

10/28/2022 05:05PM

https://paddlin.com/shop/product/northstar-canoes-polaris/

tumblehome

10/29/2022 06:34AM

pamonster: "tumblehome: "Honestly a worthless map. Fishing

Rant off.

Tom"

Honestly a worthless post. Different strokes for different folks man, no need to be so negative.....

Although I can tell you before the interweb there wasn't interweb trolls...."

I do agree that your post is worthless. Surprised you told us that actually.

TuscaroraBorealis

10/28/2022 10:10PM

tumblehome: "What did people do in the old days before the interweb and fish finders?"

They took float planes and landed right on the lakes, drove cars (several abandoned in canoe country) or, used motor boats provided by resorts who also readily gave recent intel. They rode trains up into what we now call "wilderness" and talked with the resort owners or local loggers. Before that they traded with the many Indian tribes who lived there for centuries and they got the "lay of the land/water" from them.

Depending on how far back you want to go? But, I think it's safe to say that canoe country is far wilder today than it has been for several centuries.

Who's to say what should/shouldn't be shared??? Not me. Not you. The main purpose of this site is to share information and experiences in/of canoe country. That's exactly what I see happening here. Which, as undeniably evidenced by an elementary understanding of the areas history, is just one current form of what's been taking place here for centuries.

If you honestly feel it's a worthless map, why bother to even comment and give it added attention???

Rant off.

Ringo

11/02/2022 09:30PM

Entry deleted.

HighnDry

03/17/2019 10:04AM

I'm a sucker for a family photo!

OldScout48

11/07/2022 11:38PM

I'm thinking that a set of 10 Voyageur Maps would be a great gift to yourself or your paddling buddy(ies).

Remember that any purchase from BWCA.com store supports the website.

deerfoot

07/25/2014 09:24PM

quote allfish: "I wish I knew to bring more tarps than the 1 small one the outfitter set us up with. I wish I knew to keep a journal. I wish I knew to go easier on the Hooch, 'cuz I never drink the hard stuff at home!!!..."

That's funny because I do the same thing. The only place/time I drink whisky is on my three or four annual canoe camping trips. Why is that?

fadersup

07/14/2019 09:40AM

riverat

12/26/2022 07:07PM

Previous picture was taken at portage between Lake1 and Lake2

geotramper

01/07/2023 10:47AM

What is the difference between wildlife and fauna?

boonie

01/07/2023 08:42AM

double post

Jackfish

01/07/2023 12:14PM

Jackfish

01/16/2023 10:38PM

OMGitsKa

01/17/2023 07:21PM

Honestly it's all a crap shoot regardless... I had a day last year on a busy lake where on Thursday everything was filled except for one site we had to back track to. The next day, a Friday 3 very popular sites were all open in the mid afternoon.

Bulldogge62

06/13/2019 07:57PM

paddlinjoe: "That sounds like a wonderful route with plenty of time to enjoy it. A lot of great campsite information has already been given. I would just offer a thought/philosophy on looking for dead end lakes with campsites which are near your route. Calico and Kettle Lake would be examples along your route. You are looking forward to the trip, I'm looking forward to a trip report that covers a trip like that. Have a great time!"Absolutely dead ends are on my radar, in fact I was just discussing this

mderenne

02/15/2020 02:51PM

If you read my original post I was asking for input on days of the week etc. Some other members made me aware that getting a site early is the key and let me know alternative options if needed, you on other hand were not helpful and decided to be a pompous Iowan prick. Thanks for the input from everyone, it will definitely help us out.

flynn

06/14/2019 09:36AM

Ending the broken HTML quote train

goatroti

04/19/2023 09:55AM

Okay, I'll take my conspiracy theories somewhere else. Maybe New York.
I'll remove the post. Thanks for the clearing up.

MikeinMpls

07/23/2019 01:05PM

inspector13

06/17/2019 12:28PM

I'm pretty sure the issue is in posting your second link. I'm very surprised it worked in this thread.

WoolShirt

08/21/2019 12:35PM

And some more brain tissue...

inspector13

06/18/2019 12:09PM

I don't know the background on it, but yes I think it is viewed that way. After all this is a private website and an owner can implement any rules he (or she) deems fit.

Jackfish

06/25/2020 10:27AM

bump

jdddl8

06/18/2020 05:33PM

loneranger

06/18/2020 06:18PM

Frenchy19

05/01/2020 08:50AM

johnson1451

02/08/2022 09:12PM

I am in carol stream illinois

Jackfish

06/19/2019 04:40PM

bump

ChickadeeJim

01/18/2020 11:55AM

ChickadeeJim: "I’m interested. Sent an email."

Looks good but no longer interested. It's actually green (originally listed as blue) and I'm looking for a blue pack.

inspector13

08/22/2019 12:11PM

How could have she invaded your privacy when you linked an e-mail account with that name to your account?

barehook

08/22/2019 12:09PM

NBD, thanks for your reply. I appreciate both the tone, and the content. Life is too short for squabbling.

Interesting, because in fact we did take somewhat of your approach, but maybe not for quite as altruistic reasons. One day we decided to try to target a trophy walleye. Toward that end, we left some seriously productive known reefs and started exploring. We abandoned the quest for quantity, and sought quality. By and large that quest for 'big ones' was unsuccessful although in our explorations we kept catching modest size walleye at a pretty good rate, and found some really, really good smallmouth concentrations. We also tried to focus on deeper drops at times, leaving behind some very productive 'flats'. And I did go the route of plastics, big swimbaits. Problem there was the pesky pike kept biting me off. I guess in hindsight I should have put on my Knot-2-Kinky leaders and put up with the aggravation of the pike. I think my overall catch numbers would have gone down significantly with that approach.

I think I'll sign out of this thread at this point. I will say it took on a life of its own, raised an interesting topic, and is yet another illustration of the weird world of cybercommunication being unpredictable. Best wishes.

NorthBranchdavidian

08/22/2019 12:27PM

Hook - Good luck and good fishing. I spent too much time erasing foul, unmentionable things I never posted and plotting the grizzly demise of a few on this thread. It was never you though.
Thanks for helping me keep it above board and fight my own human flaws.

missmolly

08/22/2019 12:27PM

I won't you use your name anymore, NBD. I sometimes use posters' real names and sometimes their monikers, but with you in the future, it'll be your moniker 100%.

I admire your respect for deer and fish. I struggle with fishing sometimes. As much as I love it, I feel ashamed if I happen to hurt a fish.

yogi59weedr

07/25/2022 05:14PM

yogi59weedr

04/20/2022 08:29PM

What is the open permit alert system?

Jackfish

01/24/2023 03:11PM

Grandma L

07/27/2016 12:25PM

I would give Lynn at Voyager North in Ely a call. 218-365-3251. If she can't help you - she will know who can. Otherwise check with Wilderness Inquiry - in Mpls a call. 612-676-9400.
Good luck finding the resources you need.

tumblehome

02/01/2023 08:58PM

Dammit. Double post

Jackfish

02/03/2023 09:21AM

Jackfish

02/06/2023 10:50AM

YetiJedi

02/14/2023 08:50PM

oops

rdmarr

06/23/2019 02:28PM

learning to share links
https://youtu.be/76qSXfmh3KU
https://youtu.be/Aa2W8GKobp0
https://youtu.be/pddKojmHsnQ

DanH

05/13/2016 06:21AM

Here is a FB site with information on the BWCA Backpacking Trail system:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1003703936338502/?ref=bookmarks

Jackfish

06/24/2019 09:54AM

Good job, rdmarr. You got it. The only thing you needed to do was post each link on it's own line. (I did it for you.)

Jackfish

04/28/2020 03:54PM

Was there supposed to be a video link included in your post?

JimmyJustice

04/20/2020 11:05AM

john 800

03/16/2016 07:51PM

yellowcanoe

03/16/2016 07:31PM

yes. Its very heartbreaking after so many years.That he went away with another woman is not the issue. That he did it in secret is. In my mind there is nothing innocent with covering up something.

AndySG

09/22/2019 09:16AM

Basspro69: "I’ve been thinking about crossing the Bering strait on a floating rubber unicorn"ad, you never fail to crack me up. Thanks bro. :-)

rdmarr

06/25/2019 07:04AM

Thanks guys for the help, learning every day.

schweady

04/12/2016 07:18PM

If you have a bit of patience, here is a link to the map, all 78.3 MB of it. A reprint, perhaps, it was a topic of a thread here about 8 years ago and that is when it went up in this site's maps section. I downloaded it to my computer and the file is dated September 17 2008, if that helps you search for that old discussion.

It's unfortunate that the image suffers from bleed-through from the back side of the paper, which can easily be avoided if black paper backing is used when scanning.

Haze311

04/12/2016 07:56PM

quote schweady: "If you have a bit of patience, here is a link to the map, all 78.3 MB of it. A reprint, perhaps, it was a topic of a thread here about 8 years ago and that is when it went up in this site's maps section. I downloaded it to my computer and the file is dated September 17 2008, if that helps you search for that old discussion.

It's unfortunate that the image suffers from bleed-through from the back side of the paper, which can easily be avoided if black paper backing is used when scanning.
"
Thanks for the link schweady! I like old maps and this one really takes the cake

marky

02/07/2020 10:52AM

cyclones30: "Yeah, don't spell out PP....that's your problem. "

Well, that's weird. I'll edit my post and change that.

Update: that did the trick!

Thanks, cyclones30

missmolly

08/22/2019 12:47PM

NBD, I replaced your name with your moniker in the post upthread.

Jackfish

02/19/2022 04:56PM

bobbernumber3

02/20/2022 09:25AM

billconner: "I like vintage artifacts, but vintage software not so much. I don't miss DOS for instance."

Change the software all you want... but keep the user interface the same or very similar. For me anyway.

minnmike

10/30/2019 10:37AM

I've heard that raking the forests would help.

Frenchy19

07/28/2019 09:54AM

AmarilloJim: "Just saw this forum. Looking forward to browsing it in the future.
Some of you may be interested in this web site
iamnm.com "

Glad to have you here; not many people post, but that is okay.

TomT

05/29/2020 06:09AM

LesliesDad: " Rainbows on Basswood Lake - Pipestone Bay - June 2017

"

Spectacular shot and a rare event. Now, which end is the gold on? :)

adam

01/31/2017 02:53PM

There is nothing to follow on this thread. I don't know who it is, but I do respect that someone is selling an active business and does not want their name bantered about which might turn away business this year. These can take multiple seasons to sell as has been seen with other outfitters. And the current outfitter I am sure is planning a smooth transition and continuing to run it professsionally until such a transition is complete. It is likely they spent most of their life building it and want to see it continue without interruption.

TrekScouter

02/01/2017 12:08PM

The dreaded double-post

HowardSprague

02/01/2017 02:25PM

How much is in the BWCA.com treasury?

SOVOS

05/15/2020 07:16AM

Thanks. I am in no hurry to sell so i think i'll keep it all together. Appreciate the offer tho.

jillpine

08/22/2019 12:43PM

shock

08/21/2019 02:29PM

WoolShirt: "And some more brain tissue..." +1

thegildedgopher

11/15/2019 08:31PM

Dreaded double post

Jackfish

12/04/2017 02:37PM

quote Canoe42: "Also, if you hold the mouse over your screen name, it will show what number member you are in bottom left corner of screen. Canoeviking- you are number 31090"
Hmmm... I've never heard that before, and I can't get the member number to show anywhere. Some more instruction for me is needed. :)

Also, welcome aboard, CanoeViking!

ZaraSp00k

12/23/2019 07:46AM

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. I’m 66 and in very good shape but I always have to take into consideration my age that I can’t go into the wilderness as far as I used to. With some sort of way to notify “come get me” not only can I delve deeper into the wilderness, I can go places I couldn’t when I was half my age. Now, I don’t have to plan for enough provisions to return from my destination, I just have to pack enough for the wait to be rescued.

Solo trips that used to be out of the question are now doable.
For example, I’ve always wanted to travel across the BWCA or Woodland Caribou, but logistically as a soloist that isn’t feasible.

Until now. Now I can paddle from Leano to the western edge of WCPP and then signal “help!” and they’ll come get me. The old way I’d have to pay for somebody to take me back to Red Lake. This solves the problem of me having to find someone willing to do that.

This also opens up the possibility of a variation of orienteering, kind of a hide and seek. Go camping, and then signal help. Then go hide somewhere and see if you can avoid being found. Play a cat and mouse game with the responders: Yeah, I came across the guy you are looking for over that ridge.
The practice for a real emergency will be good for them.

missmolly

04/20/2017 02:18PM

I'm always thrilled when Adam talks. He's so taciturn that when he talks, it's a big deal.

BasecampMom

03/24/2017 03:34PM

nooneuno

04/04/2020 12:03PM

DownStrm: "

"
You need to put some cloths on the super model sitting in the bow!"
One man's supermodel is another man's dog and both are often juxtaposed by too much alcohol

campNgirl

02/13/2020 09:24PM

Towers and bar are Thule 57.5"
Goalpost part is Yakima

marshy4200

05/14/2020 11:18AM

People like me that believe in freedom in the US will end up going in regardless of some nazi politician.

DontPanic

05/28/2017 11:40PM

quote CampChef: "I used rehydrated bulk Jimmy Dean sausage
"
Breakfast sausage isn't to high in fat to dehydrate?

hooky

06/02/2017 02:06PM

quote DontPanic: "quote CampChef: "I used rehydrated bulk Jimmy Dean sausage
"
Breakfast sausage isn't to high in fat to dehydrate? "

Nope. Dehydrate it just a few days before you go. Drain it well (I rinse it under hot water for warm weather trips) and press it between paper towels to soak up as much fat as possible. It'll keep for weeks.

billconner

05/04/2020 08:08AM

Some research on number of deaths resulting from Covid 19. It may already be higher than we think. US coronavirus deaths

ZaraSp00k

04/17/2020 06:14AM

AmarilloJim

08/21/2019 03:04PM

NorthBranchdavidian: "You people aren't capable of having a disagreement without insults. I guess that's fine. What that really means is you are incapable of understanding my point and that's okay too. You are victims of The Dunning Kruger Effect and there's really nothing that can be done. "
NBD you were the first to sling the condescending sarcasm. However, you brought up a good point and you got some people to think about it. Be happy and move on. I think you will find there are a great bunch of people on this site and that we all can learn from each other.

Guest paddler

06/08/2020 07:55AM

Seagull can get very windy and intimidating.
After our experience with seagull outfitters in 2016 i would try anywhere but there.

BearBurrito

01/16/2019 09:57AM

yogi59weedr: "Boy that's a way to increase your post #'s??"
I've heard of the dreaded double post, but I've never heard of an octopost!! ;)

BearBurrito

01/16/2019 09:57AM

yogi59weedr: "Boy that's a way to increase your post #'s??"
I've heard of the dreaded double post, but I've never heard of an octopost!! ;)

inspector13

08/22/2019 01:36PM

You missed one. : )

RUSTY53BA

01/13/2020 10:30AM

deerfoot: "I think Piragis carries them in their catalog. I have a set of 4 Quick-n-Easy brackets that I would sell cheaply. Let me know if you are interested."

Please let me know I am interested !

ZaraSp00k

06/05/2020 11:40AM

here is why you should avoid Minneapolis, if at all possible

jillpine

08/28/2019 07:49PM

thlipsis29

08/02/2018 04:44PM

Jackfish

06/29/2023 07:59AM

ChickadeeJim

01/15/2020 10:29PM

I’m interested. Sent an email.

airmorse

11/04/2021 06:31AM

The famous double post.

yogi59weedr

11/19/2021 07:28PM

Push to rid the b waters from motor boats.Bite your tongue Mocha... lol

PaddleMeHome

12/03/2021 02:10PM

Thanks for the feedback. We are both around seventy years old but in better than average shape. We have been paddling in and around the Quetico for over forty years. Would the age factor cause you any concern?

TomT

12/05/2021 10:18AM

deleted

PaddleMeHome

12/03/2021 02:07PM

Thanks for your response. We are both retired so we have plenty of time. We are looking at a minimum of ten days. We are both about seventy years old but in better than average shape. We have been paddling in and around the Quetico for over forty years. Would the age factor give you any concern?

Jackfish

02/27/2024 08:19AM

podgeo

06/08/2020 10:28PM

Alumacraft3: "Would 35 W be better pulling a camper? I’m guessing we would be in the cities anywhere from 10am to noon if that makes a difference? Are the protesters still disrupting things or should that be a non issue?"

Like Zaraspook says-- Stay away from 35w.. Take the 494e/694w loop around or jump over to 52 take that to 35e. If your not worried about take 35e though St Paul. Can always play the im not from around here card if you get stopped which I doubt you will.

Jackfish

06/09/2020 04:23PM

Hey TP3... welcome to the board. Lots of good people here sharing lots of good information.

You're going to have to be more specific about Crescent Lake. Let's start with the state where it's located.

jhb8426

09/07/2021 08:49PM

sns: "Seems like an appropriate place for this thoughtful analysis... "
Good points in that piece but the repetitive profanity is distracting.

mschi772

09/07/2021 09:24AM

santacruz: "The highest numbers of infections and hospitalizations, are coming from the countries most vaccinated, ( Israel ) , if the vaccinations work, why are vaccinated people getting the covid? This information is out there from professionals, not face-book, or as I label it, waste book :) "

Brush-up on your scientific literacy so that you can think through situations like this a bit better. Have you considered the variations in how much/well any given country records/reports infections? Have you considered a that highly populated places have the raw numbers to have high raw vaccination numbers, but that population also comes with densities that lead to higher transmission rates--nevermind the difference between raw numbers and per capita figures? Have you considered that more goes into preventing hospitalizations such as social distancing and mask usage? Have you considered how too many people pushed back against prevention methods and vaccines for so long that covid had enough bodies and time to mutate into variants like delta which are even worse than what we had before? Have you considered how a population might let itself become complacent and sloppy in other prevention methods with a false sense of security as more and more of the population gets vaccinated?

You should also refresh yourself on what vaccinations do and do not do. You seem to think that a vax should make it impossible to get infected. That has NEVER been claimed by anyone with a spec of expertise. Not ever. Nothing is ever 100%. What vaccines do is dramatically reduce the likelihood of infection and, often as is the case with covid, reduce the severity of illness if infection does occur.

This has been going on for 1.5 years now. It is sickening to me that so many people still insist on misunderstanding things that not only have been explained countless times in the last 1.5 years but are also things I remember learning about in flipping public school.

Science is not a matter of opinion. Science is not political.

Pinetree

09/07/2021 10:19AM

missmolly: "santacruz: "The highest numbers of infections and hospitalizations, are coming from the countries most vaccinated, ( Israel ) , if the vaccinations work, why are vaccinated people getting the covid? This information is out there from professionals, not face-book, or as I label it, waste book :) "

Huh? "

Double Huh huh

GopherAdventure

09/07/2021 09:41AM

+1, well said! My BIL is a respiratory therapist and he is at the end of his rope with treating unvaccinated people. He told me recently that the Dr.’s have lost their patience as well. Some people deny that Covid is dangerous up until the moment they need to be intubated.

I’m glad I have nothing but Northstar/Bell canoes in my fleet (even if the are “of a lesser quality”).

Tony

mschi772: "santacruz: "The highest numbers of infections and hospitalizations, are coming from the countries most vaccinated, ( Israel ) , if the vaccinations work, why are vaccinated people getting the covid? This information is out there from professionals, not face-book, or as I label it, waste book :) "

Brush-up on your scientific literacy so that you can think through situations like this a bit better. Have you considered the variations in how much/well any given country records/reports infections? Have you considered a that highly populated places have the raw numbers to have high raw vaccination numbers, but that population also comes with densities that lead to higher transmission rates--nevermind the difference between raw numbers and per capita figures? Have you considered that more goes into preventing hospitalizations such as social distancing and mask usage?

You should also refresh yourself on what vaccinations do and do not do. You seem to think that a vax should make it impossible to get infected. That has NEVER been claimed by anyone with a spec of expertise. Not ever. Nothing is ever 100%. What vaccines do is dramatically reduce the likelihood of infection and, often as is the case with covid, reduce the severity of illness if infection does occur.

This has been going on for 1.5 years now. It is sickening to me that so many people still insist on misunderstanding things that not only have been explained countless times in the last 1.5 years but are also things I remember learning about in flipping public school.

Science is not a matter of opinion. Science is not political."

sns

09/07/2021 10:20AM

Seems like an appropriate place for this thoughtful analysis...

Wharfrat63

09/07/2021 11:00AM

Personally, I agree with the statement: "We stand against government and corporate bullying of people's right to health freedom using vaccine mandates and vaccine passports."

I do not agree with excluding people from a job based on Vax status.

Between the logical fallacies and outright hostilities, the responses on this thread are amazing. Menticide.

BTW...This is a political thread...Why don't you all take this over to the CNN comments section?

Bearpath9

09/07/2021 01:29PM

martian: "sns: "Seems like an appropriate place for this thoughtful analysis... "
That's awesome! "

It's effing awesome !

andym

09/07/2021 02:04PM

never mind

podgeo

09/07/2021 02:28PM

sns: "Seems like an appropriate place for this thoughtful analysis... "

I find that link offense

Jackfish

09/06/2021 11:32PM

Hey Bird... please post your links using the Add a link to this message function. Also note that you have an edit button that allows you to make corrections.

goatroti

09/07/2021 10:22AM

For the band wagon jumpers and me too-ers I offer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPi6gIDes1g

and the guy in the bible saying something or other about casting the first stone.

missmolly

09/07/2021 10:09AM

martian

09/07/2021 10:24AM

sns: "Seems like an appropriate place for this thoughtful analysis... "
That's awesome!

PatrickE

06/16/2020 11:02AM

jwmiller39

06/20/2020 03:45PM

Duplicate post

Jackfish

06/23/2020 08:01AM

Jackfish

06/23/2020 08:01AM

You may want to call Souris River and get the information straight from the horse's mouth (so to speak). Here is their contact information.

VoyageurNorth

09/01/2021 09:09PM

Sorry Adam, I went to the descending order. I see yours is almost exactly what I posted.

I am SO happy! Now, gotta go contact lots of people & tell them all.

butthead

08/31/2021 12:47PM

DP my fat fingers! bh

Clab2020

08/30/2021 04:51PM

Sunset on North Kawishiwi river

Kendis

02/24/2022 07:05AM

About 5 hours and 30 minutes total time of combined paddling and portaging assuming you're an average paddler. You can use the trip mapping tool on the site that rhymes with saddle canner to estimate the trip distance and time between points.

gotwins

06/30/2020 06:45PM

https://www.wtip.org/forest-service-sets-campfire-ban-bwca-ahead-fourth-july-weekend

adam

07/01/2020 08:35AM

For temporary closed information, I don't believe you can find this officially anywhere except in some sort of memo like the Alpine one.

For permanently closed, we have synch'd our open and close status with the FS as of the spring of this year. I am sure there are some inaccuracies but the best you will get.

Jackfish

02/25/2022 07:34AM

07/15/2020 11:27AM

(delete)

Jackfish

07/15/2020 11:45AM

Please edit your post and use the Add a link to this message function. Thanks.

jazzman1161

07/31/2020 09:35AM

duplicate

merlyn

02/27/2022 01:13PM

missmolly: ""The guy would not have set foot on shore at my camp."

Okay, what would you do? I ask partly because I'm working on a short story right now that was sparked by an anecdote a bwca.comer told about two guys in a canoe with an axe who declared they'd be sharing the bwca.comer's campsite. He pushed them away, triggering cussing. Would you push him off the shore too? "

Absolutely!!! Someone in a boat or canoe is limited in what they can do to you, on solid ground it is another story. If they continued to come ashore I would consider my life to be in danger and would act to protect myself using force if necessary.
I can think of NO reason for anyone to act the way described.
Dear Missmolly, I 'am familiar with you from the forum and respect your opinion. What would you do and how would you do it?

Jackfish

02/27/2022 03:31PM

fadersup

07/17/2020 08:35PM

It's possible the outfitter was high on the pot.

Ceekay43

02/27/2022 07:31PM

Ceekay43: "

Jackfish

03/17/2022 03:13PM

CRBoyer... this post will be moved to the Items for Sale or Wanted forum. Just acknowledge this, then I'll move it. Don't want you to think it was deleted.

goatroti

08/19/2021 05:36AM

Argo: "I am not against the concept of "letting it burn" as I understand the benefits of forest fires. But the analysis needs to consider both benefits and costs. I don't need to be pointed to a park plan nor any plan to know that when circumstances are extraordinary, plans can and should be amended.
Maybe you do. I suggested the Park Plan so you could read it, not just toss it away with a cursory acknowledgement that it exists. These latest plans, 2018, are the work of many contributors over years of consultation, following the guidelines developed for resources in the whole of the province. They were not developed and instituted to inconvenience you.
I get it, the goal is to return Quetico to a natural pristine state without intervention or some such.
No it is not, but there you go again. Read the purpose of a Wilderness designated Park in Ontario. The information is freely available. Canoers and campers are able to utilize these resources for their enjoyment, but they are not the reason that the park exists.

What's more, if a fire breaks out around Dawson campground or near any exit corridor inside the park - as happened last month near Doré Lake, the fire trucks, crews and or water-bombers are on the scene forthwith.

The campgrounds etc. are protected because they are considered "values" under the NRVIS (Natural Resource Values Inventory System). Canoe routes, campsites and portages within and without the park system are not considered values to be protected. We found that out with our conservation, mapping and inventory efforts in and around Wabakimi Provincial Park. Forest fires burning outside the park were considered to be destroying a valuable resource, the trees, used for lumber and pulp and paper. Once the fires reach the park perimeter it was no longer destroying a valued resource. Within the park historical, culturally sensitive native sites and communities, fishing lodges and camps, and caribou nesting sites and habitats were considered values and were protected.

Jackfish

08/04/2020 10:04AM

Tcolsen

08/30/2021 11:37AM

Duckman

08/06/2020 08:28PM

On the fish trafficking. You should have just acted completely shocked. “Officer, they were dead as doornails when we left. I guess the car ride revived them. Craziest thing I’ve ever seen. Let me take care of that right quick.”

GopherAdventure

08/06/2020 08:11PM

Transporting live game fish is illegal? Wait, everybody knows that, but to come on here and rip on Minnesota really ticks me off. I probably would have felt bad for you (and your son in particular) until you had to bad mouth my home, now I kind of think you got what you deserved. Karma. Those Conservation Officers work really hard and it’s a thankless job.

Tony

user0317

08/06/2020 08:55PM

Just when I thought I understood what a Karen is...

user0317

08/06/2020 07:08PM

Perhaps its your temperament that caused the officer to throw the book at you?

TomT

08/06/2020 08:50PM

martoonie: "Hey Pitster, I'd be more worried about your rant turning up on a background check."

Imagine having a neighbor like this guy? Woah.

TomT

08/16/2020 06:59PM

Pinetree

08/16/2020 04:18PM

adam

02/18/2022 07:08PM

top

brux

12/15/2020 08:48PM

adam

04/10/2022 04:08PM

Top

shock

08/28/2020 06:40PM

and yes always bring a fishing set up ;) you might get supper right from camp some evening :) and all you need is some folded up foil for a tasty supper ;)

Chilly

01/05/2021 04:44PM

Bump

Jaywalker

09/07/2020 09:16AM

^^^^^^^^^^. TROLL ALERT! ^^^^^^^^

PuffinGin

09/17/2020 09:20PM

BonzSF: "<

Knife lake Aug 2020
Time exposure

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Unable to enlarge this photo. Could this be the result of stated editing out of HTML in this post?

bwcadan

09/21/2020 09:43PM

The one I am on when I leave. Water to van.

Tuscarora Outfitters

09/22/2020 01:15PM

Updated with way more canoes: Updated Kevlar Canoes For Sale

Porkeater

10/21/2020 08:47AM

Sorry, double post.

07/25/2021 09:46PM

R1verrunner

07/26/2021 05:36AM

Savage Voyageur:

I like this saying…
Animals don’t litter and destroy nature, people do. Be more like animals.
"

Animals might not litter but they do destroy a bit.

A beaver dam in the wrong place can kill hundreds of valuable trees can destroy trout streams by silting them up. They cut done and waste far more of the tree then they ever use.

Porcupines can kill many valuable trees. They will climb to the top of a 100 year old white pine eat all the tender bark killing the tree.

Moose, deer, elk can destroy and kill trees when they rub their velvet off or just plain eating them.

Had bears destroy many fruit trees when they climb them and break them
down. Have you ever seen the damage a bears does to a corn or oats field they destroy far more then they eat.

Wolves, coyotes , bears ect kill what they can catch and eat.

So being like animals means I can do what ever I feel like benefits me.

tumblehome

07/26/2021 08:05AM

R1verrunner: "

Animals might not litter but they do destroy a bit.

A beaver dam in the wrong place can kill hundreds of valuable trees can destroy trout streams by silting them up. They cut done and waste far more of the tree then they ever use.

Porcupines can kill many valuable trees. They will climb to the top of a 100 year old white pine eat all the tender bark killing the tree.

Moose, deer, elk can destroy and kill trees when they rub their velvet off or just plain eating them.

Had bears destroy many fruit trees when they climb them and break them
down. Have you ever seen the damage a bears does to a corn or oats field they destroy far more then they eat.

Wolves, coyotes , bears ect kill what they can catch and eat.

So being like animals means I can do what ever I feel like benefits me. "

Probably the dumbest post I’ve read in four months.
Tom

deerfoot

10/21/2020 09:26PM

Karl: "Pine tea with bourbon is the go to drink.

White Pine needles boiled in water over the fire or portable stove.
Pour through a bandana to filter the needles & sticks out.
Pour into a cup that has a couple fingers of bourbon in it.
Sip & enjoy fireside. Our favorite for this blend is Jim Beam Vanilla. "

I assume you use fresh off the tree green pine needles and not dried off the ground needles.

Karl

10/22/2020 05:36AM

deerfoot: "Karl: "Pine tea with bourbon is the go to drink.

White Pine needles boiled in water over the fire or portable stove.
Pour through a bandana to filter the needles & sticks out.
Pour into a cup that has a couple fingers of bourbon in it.
Sip & enjoy fireside. Our favorite for this blend is Jim Beam Vanilla. "

I assume you use fresh off the tree green pine needles and not dried off the ground needles."

That’s right

07/23/2021 10:54PM

https://youtu.be/lUJd-PfhIRc

07/23/2021 10:55PM

billconner: "Its now not viewable." https://youtu.be/lUJd-PfhIRc

LarryS48

10/26/2020 01:24AM

I agree with getting the Chrismar map. It is good as a backup, for planning and also for navigating.

Another useful map for planning is the online map at:
PaddlePlanner.com

zoefoster

11/10/2020 01:36AM

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scottiebaldwin

12/05/2020 11:08AM

Minnesotian: "scottiebaldwin: "As for those of you who need to text home and are insistent to keep in touch while in the BWCA, no offense, but you might have some soul searching to do to find out why you’re up there in the first place. Jeez."

Ah yes, gatekeeping how I enjoy my vacation.
"

IronRangeMike

12/17/2020 04:23PM

Don’t be daft. You’ll end up on the news if you hit rough water.....

nctry

12/18/2020 02:31PM

Chieflonewatie: "goatroti: "I'm sure I don't need to remind you... but, http://www.ontarioparks.com/backcountry/safetyandetiquette

and to be more precise, under the Travelling and Campsite sub headings:

Use only existing trails and portages.
Good campsites are found not made. Use only existing campsites.
Set-up tents in previously cleared areas.
Keep campsites small. Focus activity in areas where vegetation is absent.
Do not alter the campsite by digging trenches around your tent, stripping moss to create a tent pad, moving rocks, or creating log structures.

"

Wow."

Yes, there’s always that guy...

ferris51

12/22/2020 10:52AM

bump

Cc26

01/13/2021 08:45PM

bobbernumber3

02/20/2022 05:27AM

If it's not on the first page of a forum, the conversation has run it's course and stopped. I like that feature of this board as it is always current topics on top.

zoefoster

01/05/2021 05:41AM

they have a collection of hoodie check this out https://www.ustradeent.com/

JWilder

01/18/2021 08:46PM

Really not sure why it posted that way...

Lionelhutz

01/18/2021 03:50PM

I appreciate the comments.

From my perspective, it was not the cost of Northern Tier, but the lack of availability. Northern Tier is booked for the majority of 2021, and all of june/july/august. We lost our 2020 summer HA trip to Summit due to Covid. I have a group of soon to be 9th graders that are on the cusp of Eagle, have not been able to take a HA trip, and EW likely to be pulled in numerous directions in high school, my son included. I wanted to be able to offer them a trip in the summer of 2021. Northern Tier was not available. Our Council high adventure team provides a "guide/interpret" to join us and contracts with an outfitter on the gunflint trail for canoes, paddles, vests, any a la carte rental, shuttle service to the EPs and a shower. I believe the Scouting experience we will be able to offer under this model to be quite comparable to that which Northern Tier offers.

At this point in time, I would also prefer to see our Troop's $$$ going to our council, rather than the national organization, and in turn, plaintiff's attorneys. Sad to say it, but I believe the days are numbered for national's crown jewels - Philmont, Summit (terrible idea to begin with), and all the Norman Rockwell paintings.

Jackfish

01/18/2021 07:12PM

etienne... this post will be moved to the Items for Sale or Wanted forum. Please acknowledge that you saw this so you know where your post will be. Thanks.

DownStrm

01/18/2021 09:56PM

Mods.
This is a 2015 thread. Looks like they are just trying to promote a sales site.

aliciasmith

01/22/2021 05:26AM

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firemedic5586

01/25/2021 04:28PM

never mind double post..

tumblehome

01/27/2021 09:40AM

You can be certain outfitters reserve as many permits as humanly possible even before they are actually reserved by customers. Imagine an outfitter on Moose Lake. Would they let potential customers slip through their hands because a permit was not available on that given day?

If you are a cooperator and have access to printing permits, whose to say you cannot just delete the name of the permit holder and put a new name in there. BWCA Dan proved this happens. Maybe VNO will chime in to explain. Maybe it’s not something they want to openly discuss? Who knows.

I am not for or against their edge. It’s all part of the game. We do it too. People call and reserve a bunch or permits and then cancel them throughout the year if not needed.

For me, I don’t do that since I am a flexible camper and can pick my trip dates and entry easier since I solo camp and go when I see an opening in my life.

Tom

tumblehome

01/27/2021 11:28AM

Huh?
We’re just talking?

Tom

thegildedgopher

01/27/2021 09:56AM

tumblehome: "If you are a cooperator and have access to printing permits, whose to say you cannot just delete the name of the permit holder and put a new name in there. BWCA Dan proved this happens. Maybe VNO will chime in to explain. Maybe it’s not something they want to openly discuss? Who knows."

Whoa, that seems like a pretty heavy and direct accusation? Would that not be forgery of federal documents? I don't think we have proof of that, exactly. I would love an honest explanation from the OP's outfitter, but that seems unlikely?

It's not like they're using typewriters and white out. They use the web application. There's a digital trail for everything. I would imagine that, just like our version, it does not allow them to change the name of the permit holder, or to add an alternate leader after the time of reservation.

tumblehome: "I am not for or against their edge. It’s all part of the game. We do it too. People call and reserve a bunch or permits and then cancel them throughout the year if not needed."

But we don't give them to our customers who are paying us for access. That's a huge difference. They are doing it for profit (IF they are even doing it)

ferris51

01/29/2021 12:12PM

BigDadE

01/29/2021 07:44PM

tumblehome

02/19/2021 05:31PM

This would be a good sticky post even though I hate the place and will never go back. I also suggest everyone stay out! :)

Wayouttroy

02/19/2021 05:45PM

Wayouttroy: Price Drop Trail Blazer buck saw, condition is very good. 20.00plus shipping

adam

02/04/2021 07:16AM

Congratulations to the winners of the December contest are:

Photo Contest: MNWander
Trip Report Contest: TomT
Extra Prize: bottomtothetap

Thank you everyone for sharing your photos and trip reports!

GutRooster

02/04/2021 11:04AM

Karl: "Pine tea with bourbon is the go to drink.

White Pine needles boiled in water over the fire or portable stove.
Pour through a bandana to filter the needles & sticks out.
Pour into a cup that has a couple fingers of bourbon in it.
Sip & enjoy fireside. Our favorite for this blend is Jim Beam Vanilla. "

This sounds great, I'll have to try on our next hike

T. Exline

02/07/2021 10:35AM

Michwall2: "T. Exline: "Hello, we are a party of 4 debating on which routes to take. Both choices start at EP50. The trip is a 7 day loop starting from Tuscarora lodge from July 16-23. Father and 3 adult sons with fishing, walleye , sm and northern, bonding and solitude on the agenda. 2 members have bwca experience and another has camping experience. Everyone is fairly fit and looking for both solitude and a challenge.

With the time of year, we wounded if the days will be too long or the water to low on the river.

Route 1- day 1 ep50 to Cherokee. Day 2, Cherokee-north and south temperance - Brule to south cone. Day 3 south cone. Day 4, south cone up to Winchell to Gaskin. Day 5 , Gaskin - Henson- Omega-Kuskeg to Long Island. Day 6, Long Island back up to Snipe. Day 7 paddle out.

Route 2 - Ep50 down to Frost Lake. Day 2 Frost Lake- Frost river- to Mora or lil sag. Day 3 stay on mora or sag. Day 4 mora to French. Day 5 French to Bingshick. Day 6 stay on Bingshick. Day 7 paddle out.
"

Welcome to the board! First, I would like to encourage you to become a registered member. Lots of good features and expertise here.

Here is my take on your routes.

Route 1 - I think your first day is aggressive. It also leads to leaving behind some great fishing water and putting you in places where you are not likely to find a campsite later. Cherokee is a nice lake trout lake, but in mid July the trout will have gone deep. Better choice will be to pull up on Long Island and spend a little time fishing there. The next day head to North or South Temperance Lakes. Again better fishing stops. Your plan to go from Cherokee to the Cones is risky. First, being on Brule in the afternoon risks a much windier crossing on a very large lake. Second, there are only 2 campsites on the Cones. If they are both full (which is likely), you will either need to retreat to a windy Brule Lake or face a very long day to arrive late in the day on Winchell Lake where a campsite is also less than certain. Instead, try Travel Day 1 to LIL. Travel Day 2 - Temperance Lakes (or the west end of Brule). Travel Day 3 to Winchell.

Route 2 - The Frost is very water level sensitive. Make sure you check with an outfitter before attempting. Again, the first day is aggressive and the second day even more so. Frost Lake is at an odd distance. Very long for one day (from either Sawbill or Cross Bay) and it feels like you are wasting a day if you take a shorter travel day. E.g. Stop on LIL for the first night. Short day to Frost the next. Then do the Frost River the 3rd day. I love Frost Lake and we had a great day on the Frost River. We also had a wet year with great water levels and floated over several beaver dams. Again I would spend one of your extra days before the Frost. You can see how you feel after you get to Afton, but we were all in there. I love Little Sag and encourage your visit there. Great vistas and beautiful islands. We spent 2 nights on Crooked Lake and went out through the Brandt Lake entry from there. You might investigate going out through Tuscarora. The Brandt route had lots of in and out of the canoe and some very muddy portages. You would trade that for one longer portage from Tuscarora to Missing Link. Read some trip reports for either way.

Hope this helps. "

bobbernumber3

02/12/2021 08:58PM

schwartyman

02/15/2021 02:55PM

Mods - Please remove this reply. Accident. Thank you

yogi59weedr

03/04/2022 05:50PM

Gambling at a high school game. Gotta love it.
Maybe rename it fundraisers.

jfinn

02/21/2021 12:31PM

Bump

Wally13

03/09/2021 03:10PM

Spell check ... filets not flirts

3Ball

03/09/2021 06:21PM

so, then ... all forecasts are revised.

But tomorrow, HERE IS YOUR FORECAST!

Stumpy

03/19/2021 10:28PM

Speckled: "I would tell them I can start on the 17th, but have an already planned trip May 23rd to May 29th. Let them know you're fine taking it unpaid, as you likely would not have accrued vacation by that point (if that's how thier vaca works).

If they're completely unwilling to budge and work with you on your already planned vacation...it doesn't seem like a place you'd want to work. Sounds like management is unreasonable and it would be hell working there.

So in short, I'd comprimse with the above and if they're unwilling, i wouldn't accept and i'd move on. I say that knowing nothing about your field of work and frequency of opportunity. It may be a tougher call than that. "

+2

Grizzlyman

04/01/2021 03:58PM

Chieflonewatie: "Boy that escalated quickly. I mean that really got out of hand."

Brick killed a guy!

Chieflonewatie

04/01/2021 03:33PM

Boy that escalated quickly. I mean that really got out of hand.

Jackfish

04/05/2021 04:33PM

Are you asking about going to Quetico?

sns

04/05/2021 04:45PM

Ha - I'll edit that. No I am not. Q for question, not Quetico.

illini79ps

04/09/2021 08:48AM

arctic: "WhiteWolf: "3Ball: "so if we really just have no idea at all, why do we write yet another 40 lines or so?"

White Wolf, your comments and the efforts behind them are always outstanding and most welcome. Being insulted by idiots is the highest form of flattery. On to the next topic: NE MN is rated at under drought conditions, although precipitation since March 1 is back to normal averages. What do you see for the rest of the spring?

If this is directed at me and I assume it is- it's because several people asked to see where I thought I went wrong. Geez- tough crowd here at the end. I admit mistakes - show my errors- and than get hammered on those too? As far as "really no idea at all" - well- your entitled to your own opinion - but I think many on this forum over years would disagree and I really did have an scientific idea based on science and tried to put it into laymens terms. Sorry if that bothers some folks. I'am glad some found it educational in following long term winter weather.
Enjoy the weather - it's the only weather you got.
"

I wouldn't take it personally WhiteWolf. After all, this is the internet..."

jimbocr1167

04/11/2021 01:01PM

I'm in

Pinetree

02/22/2022 08:41PM

Kermit: "Do you mean $2800 for the Prism, rather than $3800? A brand new Prism is only $3100."

Wow, they went up in price since I bought my Prism 20 years ago for $1200.00

Jackfish

04/17/2021 10:10PM

One of my paddling buddies is getting ready to sell his 22 year old Souris River Quetico 17 in the Duralite layup. For those unfamiliar, Duralite is a material similar to kevlar, but weighs a few pounds more. This is a somewhat educated guess, but I think his Quetico 17 is in the 54# range.

It's been well cared for and stored inside. A few years ago, he redid the outside of the boat (sort of like varnishing, but not sure what he used) and it turned out very nice.

The boat has a lot of trips to Quetico behind it and I can't even begin to guess at how many walleyes and northerns have been caught out of the thing.

This is not an official "For Sale" posting as I'd have to run this past him, but if you might have an interest, let me know and I'll pass along the information. All I can tell you is the price will be less than $1,000. He lives in Green Bay and I might be able to help with the delivery if you're in the Midwest.

Freak007

04/18/2021 11:51AM

Jackfish: "One of my paddling buddies is getting ready to sell his 22 year old Souris River Quetico 17 in the Duralite layup. For those unfamiliar, Duralite is a material similar to kevlar, but weighs a few pounds more. This is a somewhat educated guess, but I think his Quetico 17 is in the 54# range.

It's been well cared for and stored inside. A few years ago, he redid the outside of the boat (sort of like varnishing, but not sure what he used) and it turned out very nice.

The boat has a lot of trips to Quetico behind it and I can't even begin to guess at how many walleyes and northerns have been caught out of the thing.

This is not an official "For Sale" posting as I'd have to run this past him, but if you might have an interest, let me know and I'll pass along the information. All I can tell you is the price will be less than $1,000. He lives in Green Bay and I might be able to help with the delivery if you're in the Midwest."

PM inbound

EDIT - Unable to figure out how to send a PM, Email sent.

tumblehome

02/21/2022 11:05AM

Deleted

NMJim

02/21/2022 11:31AM

pswith5

04/26/2021 03:08PM

billconner

02/20/2022 08:00AM

I like vintage artifacts, but vintage software not so much. I don't miss DOS for instance.

lindylair

04/29/2021 12:25PM

oops

jhb8426

04/29/2021 07:07PM

jhb8426

04/29/2021 07:15PM

jhb8426

04/29/2021 07:26PM

WIMike: "
If you think CNN is news and not opinions you either don't watch CNN or you share their political leanings. That said, I do believe gas shortages are a distinct possibility this summer. "

Actually, like Fox "News" CNN has both opinion and news. I share political leanings with neither, thanks.

PabloKabo

04/29/2021 10:08PM

I see, three. Nice packs.

tarnkt

04/30/2021 11:13PM

I’ll bet 20 bucks this thread disappears by this time tomorrow.

Any takers?

yuri

05/04/2021 12:52PM

lindylair

05/09/2021 07:49PM

double post

ferris51

05/18/2021 11:47AM

bump

Savage Voyageur

05/25/2021 05:58PM

Prices of for sale items need to be posted.

Savage Voyageur

05/25/2021 05:55PM

Delete

Jackfish

05/26/2021 09:18AM

tumblehome: "Why are you deleting my post? He has it listed on Craigslist for $9,500."
TH... I didn't see your post so I don't know what was deleted. However, based on the text above about Craigslist, this may apply:

From Adam's rules stickied to the top of the forum:
Question: "What if I posted a link to someone else's Craigslist ad and I don't know if it sold or not?"

Answer: "If you aren't in control of the sale, then it doesn't belong here. I don't care if you think you are helping because you are also not helping".

goatroti

06/22/2021 04:54PM

"Fewer than 300 cases in Ontario yesterday. Fewer than 800 in the entire country. One major Toronto hospital declared no Covid cases in ICU last week. Zero! Yet you still can't get your hair cut in this province. Let that be your yardstick."

Look over there, a panda. Now that you're distracted, what is the point your trying to make with this mis-direct? What do haircuts have to do with fighting a pandemic? Why do you constantly conflate things to make a dubious point? Why don't come out and say what to want to say? Bah!

billconner

06/22/2021 06:16PM

There goes my belief that all Canadians are polite and tolerant.

goatroti

06/22/2021 07:13PM

billconner: "There goes my belief that all Canadians are polite and tolerant."

Yer catchin' on.

RatherbeDuffing

07/01/2021 10:56AM

JDM2: "PeaceFrog: "Well I am planning a trip through EP16 next June. Hope the bear moves on before then. Was planning to use a Ursack. Might have to reconsider."

Bear resistant canisters are pricey but quality pre-owned canisters can be found for less than half retail if you have the time to search.

I prefer canisters but have considered taking a Ursack in addition to a canister to contain the overflow when one canister will not hold everything starting out.

All the national parks I have hiked in that require them have them available for rent. Might be a smart model to go to.

"

06/30/2021 11:04PM

We use a combination of Bear Vaults and Ursacks...the ursack starts as the extra bag and makes a great trash bag after that. If the bear chomps my trash I am okay with it. And he gets no reward for trying..

Stumpy

07/05/2021 11:11PM

It being a product of public television, Uof M, and other environmental groups, I consider it biased at best, and most likely fake news.

RRHD - too lazy to log in

07/06/2021 02:24PM

tumblehome: "I now know why those permits are available. My exit was through tuscarora lake which requires a 425 rod Portage followed by a quick 142 rod Portage. That alone stops most people. Tuscarora only had one other group that I saw.
Tom"

That's why Tuscarora is my favorite lake!

billconner

07/06/2021 06:44PM

Seems like quite a few affacinados. blackhawk canoes?

mjmkjun

08/24/2021 04:34PM

~double post removed~

info@bwca.com

04/03/2004 04:37PM

this thread will hold all individual deleted messages. Any entire thread which is deleted will be put in its own thread.

RustyBoldt1

05/08/2020 02:00PM

If you weren't gonna comment on it why did you?

Togolance

10/21/2023 05:15AM

Deleting this worthless page

ruby26

06/18/2020 04:31AM

The front page of the website is really awesome! https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bitlife/fhibkbokhmgamgoafbofcolboohgebpa

Savage Voyageur

06/18/2020 07:56AM

ruby26: "The front page of the website is really awesome! https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bitlife/fhibkbokhmgamgoafbofcolboohgebpa"

So you thought it was a great idea to join this morning to bring back to life a 13 year old post, to list some website that has no link, link does not work, has nothing to do with the BWCA...brilliant on your part. For the benefit of the community, commercial posting is not allowed.

HoneyGuy101

03/20/2019 07:31AM

egknuti

12/13/2021 12:38PM

dmar: "More interested in planning my own routes than going with a premade one. Seems as simple as picking and entry point and going from there? Like deciding where to go and which portages to do and where you may want to camp."

Seems like you got it all figured out. If you don't want advice, then you don't have to ask :).

PeaceFrog

12/15/2021 08:55AM

PeaceFrog: "

From a guy's weekend with my son, my dad, my brother and nephew. "

Salt Fork State Park - Eastern Ohio

Jackfish

03/20/2019 01:49PM

TuscaroraBorealis

03/14/2022 06:50PM

thegildedgopher

06/05/2020 12:25PM

ZaraSp00k: " here is why you should avoid Minneapolis, if at all possible "

First, thanks for editing this post. It was appalling.

But just stop. But nobody is catching COVID driving thru the city on an interstate. Good grief man.

MagicPaddler

05/08/2020 02:16PM

Tom
You say that Covid is raging in Minnesota and the border states. Which border states? Are you getting that from a reliable news source? Has the hospitalizations or death rate shot up in the last 7 days? The latest data that DCD has is for the week ending May 2.

Jackfish

03/10/2020 11:39PM

Camoken, we can move this so you don't have to re-post it. Just want to make sure you know where it went. :)

Pinetree

03/18/2023 08:22PM

TuscaroraBorealis

11/08/2011 01:58PM

bump

Wallski

04/16/2019 03:10PM

Fished Jellystone and Jackson many of times. 20-30 pound mackinaw’s are the norm. No limit on yellstone lake for LT’s.

thegildedgopher

08/21/2019 04:15PM

The biggest problem I have with posts like yours NBD is that the only behavioral change they tend to inspire is making people less likely to share their experiences on the forum, which ultimately helps no one.

And ironic, isn’t it, that the first one to add snark and negativity to a thread like this is almost always the first one to play the victim card when called out for their BS.

missmolly

08/21/2019 04:42PM

thegildedgopher: "The biggest problem I have with posts like yours NBD is that the only behavioral change they tend to inspire is making people less likely to share their experiences on the forum, which ultimately helps no one.

And ironic, isn’t it, that the first one to add snark and negativity to a thread like this is almost always the first one to play the victim card when called out for their BS."

That's what I was thinking, GG, that this is a feel good thread and people might be less likely to share their successes.

barehook

04/16/2019 03:17PM

Wallski: " Fished Jellystone and Jackson many of times. 20-30 pound mackinaw’s are the norm. No limit on yellstone lake for LT’s. "

I do wish this otherwise high-quality board had some sort of a limit of zero on trolls. It gets old.

Pilgrimpaddler

04/16/2019 03:45PM

barehook: "Wallski: " Fished Jellystone and Jackson many of times. 20-30 pound mackinaw’s are the norm. No limit on yellstone lake for LT’s. "

I do wish this otherwise high-quality board had some sort of a limit of zero on trolls. It gets old. "
+1000

Pinetree

06/15/2023 09:29PM

Wispaddler: "Closure order link from Strib
https://files.constantcontact.com/c12e8652901/6ada9508-5880-4cd8-b401-b27fd4a37735.pdf?rdr=true" your link

thegildedgopher

06/15/2023 09:12PM

It'd be really nice if the details included a map of the closed area. There is a map on the story on the WTIP site but it's very small and low-resolution, you can't read lake names.

The Star Tribune article says "Popular entry points affected include Moose Lake, Saganaga Lake, Seagull Lake and Snowbank. The U.S. Forest Service said it notified affected permit holders and outfitters." -- which makes it sound a little like those EP's are closed, but that's not the case. It's only certain campsites, portages, and the Kek that's actually "closed." The FS's press release says "The forest has contacted the cooperators and current BWCAW permit holders with permits for Moose, Snowbank, Seagull, Saganaga and Kek trail east and west entry points and have encouraged them to seek alternative experiences."

Did anyone actually get contacted by the FS?

(Edit: I removed the low-res image of the map from WTIP that I had posted, much better image posted below.)

missmolly

08/21/2019 04:52PM

billconner

10/31/2023 05:50PM

Jackfish: "billconner: "Wisconsin River. Muscles to Wyalusing."
Bill, do you mean "Muscoda to Wyalusing"?"
yes. spell check

NMJim

12/20/2021 08:47PM

uqme2

11/07/2023 01:57PM

Giddy Up!

Zulu

11/19/2023 11:06PM

Stumpy

11/20/2023 06:37AM

As two guys I trapped with, in Atikokan, in 95 said...as being surprised at the early ice-up, on Halloween .....
"Oh, look at that, those lakes are froze up cock stiff !"

Jackfish

03/22/2019 06:37AM

bump

EddiePaddleMan

03/07/2023 07:34PM

Wally, I've also been trying to get a hold of zups for a few weeks. Any chance you can let Kathy know? I'd love to go with them if they are free!

Spartan2

03/08/2023 03:59PM

I guess we'll miss you so much I ended up with a double post! Sigh.

adam

06/19/2023 08:29AM

top

Jackfish

03/09/2023 05:22PM

IrishPaddlerr

12/27/2021 06:15PM

Request*

Apparently, I’ve hit my fill of Jameson tonight!

Jackfish

01/27/2022 01:07PM

adam

03/11/2023 06:09AM

top

adam

06/12/2023 09:16AM

top

riverrunner

04/17/2019 09:04AM

boonie: "Sounds like me a couple of years ago - I've got two stents too. And a whole bunch of Rx's I didn't have before. But we ain't dead yet; I hope it continues to go well for you. "

For someone who hasn't taken hardly any meds has been in good shape and very active for 99 percent of his life

taking all the RX is a new thing

Frenchy19

03/13/2023 03:51PM

Mistake post!

OHPaddler

03/13/2023 05:37PM

There is a paddle planning website out there. It's an awesome resource. It's a subscription, but I think that everyone would agree that it's worth it. Adjust settings to "beginner and double portage" and add 5-10min of time per mile traveled as a new paddler "tax". As far as distances - I'd shoot for 7-10 miles/day of travel to get started. 10 miles can be a long, tough day if conditions are rough.

Bushpilot

06/03/2020 09:36AM

I agree with inspector13. However I would take the 494-694- loop around Minneapolis. Protest are popping up everyday and all are in the roads.

Several days ago, an immigrant driving a semi drove into the middle of a protest without knowing on the interstate freeway system. No road blocks were put up. He meant no harm and was beaten to a pulp.

guest2

03/30/2019 11:25AM

guest

cburton103

05/08/2020 03:32PM

RustyBoldt1: "If you weren't gonna comment on it why did you?"
Rusty, I’m fairly confident I understand the context of the post you quoted, and it’s a low blow. This is a tough time for all of us. As a community, let’s try to be patient and kind with one another. It’s totally possible to be deep in grief or anxiety one day when you post on this forum, and be looking for the solace of planning a wilderness trip a few days later. The internet seems to “freeze” our thoughts and personalities for the future moving forward, but we’re all just trying to do our best.

Bdubr

04/17/2019 05:58PM

noelkrebs

04/17/2019 03:48PM

mr.barley

03/15/2020 08:13PM

Ribeye, lobster, portebella mushroom and asparagus on Lac La Croix.

CabinAfter

01/06/2022 03:15PM

RetiredDave

01/07/2022 06:02PM

No gray hair, okay. I'm the one on the right, over 40 years ago.

Thank you, all of you, for your wisdom, humor, and kindness over the years.

Member since 2013.

Dave

Oops, double post.

ducks

12/14/2023 05:10PM

Sorry. Double post

Spartan2

01/10/2022 10:32AM

Sorry for double post.

halvorsonchristopher

01/17/2022 11:40AM

Beautiful. Which overlook is this?

Wes44

03/24/2022 04:31PM

I've used three outfitters over the years. There are differences, but from a service perspective, I'd recommend them all without reservation.

However, it's important to me that my dollars support my values. Since we wouldn't even be able to have these opportunities without those who have long fought to protect the area and its natural values, I consult this list before choosing my outfitter each time:

There's a dropdown list for Northern Minnesota businesses that support permanent protections. That's who I'd recommend.

ZaraSp00k

06/02/2020 03:55PM

if you do, take 35E and avoid all other freeway in metro area

you never know what the protesters are going to do, in fact they often change their own plans, and considering Walz, Frey, and Melvin say they will protect the protesters right to protest and make no mention of protecting anybody else's rights ....

MHS67

04/04/2020 07:09PM

Pacific Ocean near Cambria.

walllee

02/26/2020 07:11PM

I own Duluth Packs, Frost River Packs, and CCS Packs. The last 6 years the only ones that have seen use are the CCS Packs .

mutz

01/31/2020 07:46AM

ZaraSp00k: "Unas10: "Aren't inflatables verboten in the BWCA?"

if you bring an inflatable, can it still be called a solo trip?"

Wow made and deleted five comments, guess I’ll pass

snakecharmer

01/25/2022 06:16AM

Still here on occasion.

Bogwalker

03/27/2019 06:12AM

sns

01/26/2022 08:18AM

Apologies; dreaded double-post....site seems to be struggling mightily today with significant lags.

Jackfish

08/09/2019 11:17PM

Porkeater: "

"
You just made the list."
Ha! I guess I did!

adam

10/10/2023 09:32AM

top

Jackfish

10/31/2023 09:27AM

billconner: "Wisconsin River. Muscles to Wyalusing."
Bill, do you mean "Muscoda to Wyalusing"?

Jackfish

01/29/2022 09:29AM

KarlBAndersen1

01/29/2022 11:51AM

Spartan2: "schweady: ".... I wonder if the contest rules might include something about raw shots only."

Just an opinion here, but I think as long as the rules are followed: that the photos are taken in the canoe country, the location is identified, and they are submitted by the person who took the photo--that's good enough for me. "

Yep.

QuietSolo

05/14/2020 02:26PM

adam: "After listening to the interview on WTIP with a representative from the FS, I would definitely stay tuned in the next day to see if they decide to push out the opening date beyond the 18th.

It sounds like they are trying to get their ducks in a row which is good, but it is bad that they didn't have their ducks in a row already. "

Couldn't agree more with "ducks in a row already"! Their ducks should be the easiest to get in row compared to outfitters, hotels etc.

schweady

01/30/2022 05:16PM

Jackfish

01/31/2022 03:27PM

straighthairedcurly

01/30/2022 09:51PM

Basspro69

04/18/2019 01:51PM

QueticoMike

05/11/2019 08:49AM

We stay at the Williams and Hall bunkhouse on Moose lake the night before heading to Quetico. Get on the first tow over to the border and hope to be the first in line at the PP ranger station. Then we try to paddle and portage about 25 miles the first day. Finding a camp site at the end of the day has never been an issue.

ripple

06/12/2014 05:01PM

bump

QuietSolo

05/14/2020 02:29PM

As they have with every email I have sent, the FS disregarded my comments (they want us to hear them but are not interested in our point of view unless it is in agreement with their own). This JUST in the afternoon of 5/14 (i.e., after Walz's somewhat promising message): "If you are looking to simply provide your comment to the Forest, thank you and I will be happy to provide your message to Forest Personnel. If you would like further information for why the Forest has made the decisions it has (including the suspension of overnight camping within the BWCAW), please let me know as I would be glad to discuss the reasons."

blutofish1

04/30/2020 01:58PM

Jackfish: "Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice... I can almost taste the fish fry."I think I may have met you at Angelos during copia

Savage Voyageur

04/03/2022 06:49PM

Model94

02/11/2023 07:02AM

11/25/2022 02:04PM

CardinalNation

02/07/2020 05:30PM

walllee

01/30/2020 04:18PM

walllee: "No I leave them. Was on a portage years ago, think it was out of Bootleg lake, to the Little Indian Sioux River.... if it wasn’t for those, I probably would of got lost."

Stucky

08/13/2019 10:43AM

abstucky@gmail.com

Gaidin53

04/08/2022 12:35PM

The site that “can’t be named” now Has a new feature for being notified if a permit opens up for the specific entry point you are looking for. Sends you an email notification if you sign up for the feature. My understanding is that within about 15 minutes of the permit becoming available you get notified.

Probably not something I will. Use much since I plan way far in advance. Might come in handy though if I decide to do an unexpected trip.

Ryan

jwartman59

03/04/2020 01:33PM

Three Duluth Foods packs and four Duluth personal packs. Several of them are almost dead. Also a lifetime collection of packpacks that never go on canoe trips.

bobbernumber3

04/13/2022 08:40AM

adamc

03/30/2009 10:00AM

I picked these up at Joe's Sporting Goods, $5 each. They are called the Scoot n' Craw. I saw them there a few months ago, but haven't seen them anywhere else. They look like pretty good Smallie lures, we'll see...

Minneapolis C

04/21/2022 08:01AM

Hello! We have a cabin on Saganaga Lake and have always crossed over by applying for a RABC permit. The program has been suspended since the beginning of Covid, leaving our only option to go through Customs in Thunderbay, drive to Northern Light Lake, and make a super long boat ride + portage to access Sag (plus arrange boat rides/pick ups). While sustainable for one trip, we have older people in our family who desperately want to get to the cabin and that trip is too long/rugged with all of our gear.

Does anyone know of an outfitter or private party that could fly a float plane into the Canadian side of Saganaga Lake from Thunderbay? If so, I'd like to arrange a couple week trip this summer. We've seen many float planes on the lake, but it's unclear where they are coming from ;)

Any help is greatly appreciated!

RodPortage

04/21/2022 11:12AM

schweady, I know this site avoids mentioning other sites (cough .. pp .. cough) for reasons I haven't been able to discern yet, but can you tell me what other paddling site displays the availability nicely? I guess you could email me instead of posting if there's a real problem here.

schweady

04/22/2022 10:04AM

I really don't want to offend the owners/investors here. All I will say is try a google search. It's a site with a lot of features that actually compliment the wealth of knowledge available right here. The main downer is that it requires a paid membership.

(An amount that is easily matched each year for this site,
with a donation.)

RodPortage

04/22/2022 10:34AM

Thanks Schweady. I also don't want to offend the owners here, whoever they are, as I have found this place to be incredibly valuable since I discovered it last fall. In addition to providing information, it gives me a mental connection to the water, which is nice as a Minnesotan who is slowly drying out in a faraway desert. I am glad it exists.

tumblehome

04/22/2022 11:37AM

RodPortage: "schweady, I know this site avoids mentioning other sites (cough .. pp .. cough) for reasons I haven't been able to discern yet, but can you tell me what other paddling site displays the availability nicely? I guess you could email me instead of posting if there's a real problem here."

The only place that shows availability is Recreation.gov.
Plenty of sites show the quota.

schweady

04/22/2022 11:48AM

tumblehome:"The only place that shows availability is Recreation.gov.
Plenty of sites show the quota."
Apparently, if you are smart enough to program 'bots in a particular way, you can gather and display real-time current availability. I am not, and marvel at the ingenuity.

guest2

03/30/2019 11:22AM

guest

Spartan2

09/02/2019 04:24PM

NorthBranchdavidian

08/20/2019 09:09AM

Awesome. Figuring-in hooking mortality that you will undoubtedly claim doesn't exist, you only killed and wasted 40-80 walleye...conservatively.

Jackfish

12/21/2023 12:53PM

Chessie, please edit your post and use the Add a link to this message function. Thanks.

dentondoc

08/16/2019 10:13AM

double post

dentondoc

08/16/2019 10:13AM

TRIPLE post! (How'd that happen!!!)

slickvb82

05/14/2020 03:15PM

They are doing their best, give them a bit of a break. All of this is new to everyone and they are not just considering the permit holders when making decisions. We're all anxious to hear, hang in there.

Mike200a

02/01/2020 05:38PM

I take 2-3 trips to basswood every year for the last 25yrs. I go thru fall, and a trip thru moose. I’m always surprise to see how few people there is. Camp sites open. Now I’m not complaining having so few people up there, just confused on how its booked out.. something never seemed right about the permit situation for that lake..

Jackfish

03/08/2022 05:31PM

Bump

timatkn

08/21/2019 11:36PM

Thanks for the report...

Nothing to feel guilty about, sounds like a great time.

Hooking mortality is really all over the place. Some studies say barbed hooks increase mortality some say it decreases and vice versa...temperatures matter, cold water can keep delayed mortality to less than 2% and really warm water it can be as high as 70%. Then there is where was the fish hooked? I fished up north this year recently and the surface temp was still in the high 60’s, a few feet down it was even lower. Normally mouth hooked fish in those temps (reefs far away from shore would have lower water temps)would have pretty low delayed hooking mortality according to studies. So the claim of killing 40-80 walleye “conservatively” seems not based on research but on unfounded emotion or poor assumptions on water temps. I don’t know the cut off on how deep is too deep for walleyes...(another factor) but 25 feet is not deep for walley.

Just seems like a lot of assumptions and judgements were made not based on science not bad to bring up...but maybe could of been done better for conversation.

T

RustyBoldt1

05/07/2020 07:33PM

I will probably get blasted for this, but some of us are dealing with grief from the loss of friends or family. Others are trying to keep their family businesses going and avoid bankruptcy. Whining about only getting to have day permits for the 2 weeks until May 18 and only allowing camp stoves, well makes me sad to hear. Selfish, self centered? Some folks are fighting for their lives, not a BWCA permit.

primitiveguy

03/30/2019 07:46PM

As a young child I did numerous weekend canoe trips on Minnesota rivers. First BWCA trip was in 1974 to Duncan lake at age 13. In July of 1975 I was invited on a International Falls to Grand Marias 3 week trip followed by a BWCA trip in August with Sea Scout ship 101. Then an Oct 1975 trip to Curtain falls with my dad. In 1977 at age 16 with a drivers license I started taking my own trips. By 1980 I discovered the Quetico and in 1983 I convinced my bride a 22 day Quetico trip would be the perfect honeymoon. During most of the 1980s I spent 20 nights a year in the Q. But by 1994 I stopped as my wife no longer wanted to go and my daughters were not enthusiastic although they enjoyed being on trips with me. In 2011 my oldest daughter graduated from college and the youngest from high school and they wanted to go on a Quetico trip! June 18-19 2011 was the best weekend of my life. I ran Grandmas marathon on Sunday with my middle daughter and then drove up to the end of the Gunflint and stayed in a Voyageur bunkhouse. Monday morning I and my youngest and oldest daughters were boated out to the old customs station in Sag where a plane picked us up and flew us to Beaverhouse. We paddled back to Sag over 11 days stopping at the Delahey olive jar to read notes I had left 30years earlier (my dad brother and others too). Now they are hooked and I’ve taken numerous groups of their cousins and friends. This year they are going without me as I’ve been hinting at. Lots of my gear will be going though! Mostly I just go solo now and I really enjoy the solitude and freedom. My only regret is that I didn’t get keep an accurate record. I’m getting on towards 100 BWCA/Q trips but I can’t say for sure when I’ll hit that milestone. Can’t wait for May 11!

Jackfish

03/06/2020 10:21AM

Hey smokingbunny... don't forget to use the Add a link to this message function when posting links. It's pretty easy, but if you need help, just ask. Thanks.

PhishyHunter

08/18/2019 09:32PM

PointMe2Polaris: "What brand would you recommend?
"

We use the Motorola Talkabout radios and they've been pretty useful. Ours are ALL currently awaiting repair due to the volume/on-off knob being turned in the wrong direction by people (our fault, poor instructions obviuosly! :oops:) but the latest ones have a different design and shouldn't suffer from this problem. Read more here about brands and other models on the market.
Range is pretty limited and is very dependent on line-of-sight but shouldn't be a problem for 2 people on the same ride (unless you REALLY go hooning off and leave her for the wolves…).

I wouldn't bother with hands-free kits, etc. for them, they're just a pain. Keep them in your pack out of the way with the volume turned up load and use the "ring" function.

TuscaroraBorealis

12/13/2023 02:59PM

Tomcat

08/13/2019 11:08AM

yogi59weedr

08/20/2019 09:34AM

North branch.......
What you have to go there for......
That's some great fishin.....

Dumbfounded

08/10/2019 09:41AM

Dealee Bobs tops the list for gear topics again ???????

LindenTree

04/09/2020 08:19AM

My bad, I posted in the wrong area.

PaddlinMadeline

05/08/2020 06:48PM

Is White Privilege lake up the Gunflint or off the Echo trail?

goatroti

04/19/2020 06:54AM

Word from the Premier of Ontario...
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/i-don-t-want-them-in-ontario-premier-ford-fires-back-after-trump-suggests-loosening-border-1.4899199?fbclid=IwAR23CmHDq6i4GvxRHXrMOgkG7AwSA-7ZPbZUVnpAXu7px6jmNh0QvCH8lYo

deerhuntertyler

04/01/2010 02:20PM

Zwater

04/02/2019 08:06PM

borealcanoe

09/27/2019 02:31PM

Jackfish

04/02/2019 11:26PM

LindenTree

04/14/2020 07:15PM

mutz: "I’m not sure that some of you couldn’t figure out how to turn any post into a political anti Trump rant."

Nice drive by.
You just couldn't hold your fire.

KarlBAndersen1

04/20/2020 06:05AM

BeaV's trip is extraordinary, no matter how you look at it.

Fascinating edit.

Jeff88

04/03/2019 09:11AM

Lower Pauness Lake
https://bwca.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=photos.load&popup=0#

Frenchy19

04/28/2022 09:02AM

BigCurrent: "My dad is selling his Penobscot in the Rochester area.

https://rmn.craigslist.org/boa/d/oronoco-old-town-penobscot-17-royalex/7475921793.html"

Link to listing

BigCurrent

04/28/2022 09:34AM

Frenchy19: "BigCurrent: "My dad is selling his Penobscot in the Rochester area.

https://rmn.craigslist.org/boa/d/oronoco-old-town-penobscot-17-royalex/7475921793.html"

Link to listing "

Thank you, forgot to embed the actual link. Post has been fixed.

TomT

02/10/2020 10:21AM

Zara, a metaphor might be like a church service going on while off in the corner people are debating whether the message is true or not. I get it. This forum was started with believers in mind. However, it doesn't take into consideration that agnostics, athiests and others also have a "soul space".

timatkn

08/22/2019 07:23AM

missmolly: "T, where do these delayed mortality fish bodies go? I tend to fish a place for at least a week. I have never, not once, seen a dead fish floating on the surface and it's clear water, so I can often see to the bottom. "

It’s a good question. Most dead fish sink if I remember right.
But there are questions about the studies saying warm water delayed hooking mortality can be so high. Many times the fish are caught and then kept in pens to see if they die, the problem is the stress of being held in a pen, not eating, being kept in usually in warmer water than the fish would normally return to May be killing the fishmore than the delayed hooking. It is a valid argument against the higher delayed hooking mortality studies. In my opinion get the fish in quick—don’t play them until they are just laying on the surface, release them quick and where you caught them (don’t bring the fish to shore and release in shallow warm water) and I don’t think you will have much delayed mortality. A quick release for me is no different than a fish shaking the hook at the boat and swimming off right away. I have a hard time believing a lot of those fish die no matter what the temp.

T

timatkn

08/22/2019 07:42AM

Oh I forgot...Barehook, what lake did you say you were on again? ;)

T

AmarilloJim

08/22/2019 07:52AM

timatkn: "Oh I forgot...Barehook, what lake did you say you were on again? ;)

T"
LOL

Jackfish

02/19/2022 04:55PM

Tony

01/11/2024 01:32AM

MikeinMpls

01/10/2024 02:57PM

edited double post

Grandma L

05/07/2020 09:39PM

Rusty Bolt, "I will probably get blasted for this, but some of us are dealing with grief from the loss of friends or family. Others are trying to keep their family businesses going and avoid bankruptcy. Whining about only getting to have day permits for the 2 weeks until May 18 and only allowing camp stoves, well makes me sad to hear. Selfish, self centered? Some folks are fighting for their lives, not a BWCA permit."

Thanks for the well written heart felt opinion statement! I hope you feel better for having shared it here in this PMA usage thread. I do not feel a need to comment on the content or copy and paste this to any other thread and I would certainly be adult enough to in no way want to belittle your opinion, make a sarcastic entry, or attempt to bully you. So, thanks for sharing.

Jackfish

12/20/2018 11:50AM

campnfish: "JackFish, that link above is dead, they have a new one now."
Corrected now. Thanks for the alert.

shock

02/28/2018 12:12AM

PVnRT

10/20/2019 04:43PM

bump

Tomcat

03/22/2023 08:46AM

Deleted

HighnDry

03/05/2018 07:04PM

If you're interested, Stu has individual articles in the BWJ for the grand slam series. There's lots of information in those organized by lakes.

prettypaddle

05/16/2020 06:46AM

Hillbilly: "

Late arrival to camp on Bentpine after a full day of rainy travel weather. "

Wow, love this picture!

MikeinMpls

05/14/2020 04:04PM

slickvb82: "They are doing their best, give them a bit of a break. All of this is new to everyone and they are not just considering the permit holders when making decisions. We're all anxious to hear, hang in there. "

Disagree.

The USFS should have had this game-planned out so that they had a ready response based on what Walz did last night. They could have had two or three other contingency plans ready to go based on date. And I don't believe the two entities don't or can't talk. Surely the USFS can obtain some kind of indication of what the governor is going to do, if even a day ahead of time... heck, 12 hours ahead of time.

I know there are more moving part than just permit holders. But that fact does not preclude a modicum of prior planning as I mentioned above.

The USFS completely blew the May 4 thing. They have a golden opportunity, on a silver platter no less, to learn from that fiasco and do the right thing here. I'm not banking on it.

Mike

joelgn

10/23/2019 11:19AM

tumblehome

12/18/2019 09:38AM

There is an outfitter on Moose Lake that is a vehement supporter of sulfide mining on the edge of the BWCA regardless of the risks to the watershed .
For me on a personal level, I will not give my money to a company that supports this sort of activity. Something to consider when you spend money on a tow boat.

Not stirring the pot, just offering information that some people might wish to consider.

Tom

TominMpls

02/13/2018 10:19AM

Don't mind me, just fixing the quotes.

02/12/2018 11:29AM

OldRez: "In August 1985 four of us were camped on the US side above upper Basswood Falls, just west of Basswood Lake. As dusk was gathering, we noticed a solitary canoe approaching us from the Canadian side. Two men in their 30s or 40s, no PFDs, approached shore and claimed that they needed to share our campsite as they could find nothing else available; no other specifics. This site has some high granite rocks, and requires 'parallel parking' to unload canoes, and as these guys nudged in, we could see their cargo: a wooden old milk crate containing some chains, and an axe. Nothing else. No camping gear, no fishing gear.

Without hesitation, I immediately warned them off. There would be no camping with us. We had seen several open campsites while fishing that evening. They tried to forge ahead, but I said no, and pushed their canoe away from the rocks. I was the oldest in our group, two being my youngest brothers, another a young cousin. I was taking no chances. They cursed us, but headed back exactly from where they came form, passing a couple of open sites.

Not sure what this was all about, and never saw these two again, but it made for fitful sleeping that night."

Fuuuuuuuuuuu....

06/25/2023 05:01AM

Tomcat

06/26/2023 09:44PM

bobbernumber3

06/27/2023 03:00PM

x2jmorris: "That is what he is talking about Mocha. Purchase for 8 but only 5 go in the day of. 3 come in at a later date but all 8 are paid for."

Yep... gotta read the post.

Nancy P.

08/23/2019 03:08AM

Nancy P.

08/23/2019 03:08AM

As usually , no sugar coating with Trump and nailed it on the head.

Jackfish

01/19/2023 04:51PM

hawaiifavo

08/08/2022 02:09PM

Thanks all, I will repost there - my bad.

Jackfish

01/14/2019 10:18AM

tpothen: "Not cheap but there's some on ebay..

https://www.ebay.com/itm/QUIK-N-EASY-Roof-rack-brackets-Raingutter-mount-Set-of-4/333002477277?hash=item4d887e8edd:g:nQQAAOSwEJ1cM9lj

If it's just the rain gutter mount you want there's a lot of Yakima rain gutter towers also on ebay. "
tpothen, please use the "Add a link to this message" function found right below the white text box. It's quite easy to use, but if you need help, just ask.

Here is the tutorial: Add a link to this message

RedLakePaddler

02/21/2022 06:21PM

Thanks Adam
Was a very good time. Hope to see you at Canoecopia.

Carl

NorthBranchdavidian

08/22/2019 08:08AM

Too snarky? Maybe, but even using that word makes me feel silly.
Sorry to push the offended button on so many of you. You're correct when you say I could have gone about this in a much better way. I wasted what could have been a good point with bad text.

CatchMe

10/23/2022 08:38PM

It comes with a canoe?

PikeGuy

04/30/2022 05:09PM

Do you still have the canoe?

Guest poster

08/31/2023 09:32AM

Know it all commenters are why I have trouble participating on this sight.There is no reason to doubt this individuals story,and wolves,like coyotes come in all kinda color phases.

To the O.P. Sweet experience,and my daughter woulda been on a short leash after that,lol.

yogi59weedr

05/22/2022 02:17AM

I don't think anyone is keeping records here!!!!!!

Prospector

05/21/2022 06:51PM

OCDave: "Thankfully, global events are threatening only our pocketbook, comfort and convenience. I can't imagine if what has happened to Mariupol happen to Minneapolis."
Not to go off on a political tangent, but Joe Biden is lying when he says that the rise in gas prices, consumer prices and inflation in general is Russia's fault.

06/19/2022 10:36AM

he has the solo listed for $1800 on craigslist, and the seliga $2600

Jackfish

06/19/2022 10:20AM

For clarity, you have posted “2022 new price” for both of your posts. Are those what your asking prices are or are you simply offering those prices as a benchmark if someone was to buy new?

sjruelle

06/19/2022 11:35AM

Sorry about that! $1,800 is the selling price. Listing here has been updated.

sjruelle

06/19/2022 11:35AM

CatchMe

08/30/2023 10:38PM

Ban all motors from all BWCA Lakes.
I can't paddle on Moose Lake with a single can of pop, because it's a wilderness, so why should any motors be allowed?????
Plus, the tow boats just bring in unruly, disrespectful clientele. F those people.

Guest poster

08/31/2023 09:31AM

timatkn

08/31/2023 08:06AM

CatchMe: "Ban all motors from all BWCA Lakes.
I can't paddle on Moose Lake with a single can of pop, because it's a wilderness, so why should any motors be allowed?????
Plus, the tow boats just bring in unruly, disrespectful clientele. F those people."

Ummm…you can wish for a ban of motors…but it will never happen. This statement shows a complete lack of knowledge of how the system works and absolutely no understanding of the Wilderness Act that created the BWCAW. No one can “ban” motors in this area and they never will be able to. But keep wishing for a miracle. And it really isn’t a wilderness…maybe an entry…maybe a buffer…but Moose is “wilderness” in name only. Sorry…there is absolutely nothing you or anyone can do to change that fact. If it upsets you so much..then take a tow or go to another entry?

T

bobbernumber3

08/31/2023 10:08AM

CatchMe: "...
Plus, the tow boats just bring in unruly, disrespectful clientele. F those people."

Well F me too, then. I take a tow every time I trip.

Your view is a bit off base, I think.

You'd do well to review this post. Oath of Dignity and Respect

egknuti

08/31/2023 11:01AM

Guest poster: "Know it all commenters are why I have trouble participating on this sight.There is no reason to doubt this individuals story,and wolves,like coyotes come in all kinda color phases.

To the O.P. Sweet experience,and my daughter woulda been on a short leash after that,lol."

Good. Don't participate.

Chieflonewatie

08/31/2023 11:28AM

CatchMe: "Ban all motors from all BWCA Lakes.
I can't paddle on Moose Lake with a single can of pop, because it's a wilderness, so why should any motors be allowed?????
Plus, the tow boats just bring in unruly, disrespectful clientele. F those people."

Wow tough talk on a keyboard. You should say this to someone getting off a tow. I would love to see what happens.

YaMarVa

08/31/2023 10:16AM

CatchMe: "...Plus, the tow boats just bring in unruly, disrespectful clientele. F those people."

I don't think the people using the tows are your problem. You know of the Asshole Theory? - you might be suffering from it.

Banksiana

05/22/2022 12:51PM

Never mind.

HawgHunter

08/22/2019 08:09AM

Getting a valid and reliable estimate of delayed mortality seems near impossible in natural (vs tank/laboratory) conditions. I say - fish responsibly and enjoy! And remember the point missmolly made about conservation of energy: mortality from catch/release (to the extent there is any) is not necessarily a "waste" but recycles back into the ecosystem/food chain to feed more organisms which, in turn, feed more fish. And as to the statement about "You are victims of The Dunning Kruger Effect and there's really nothing that can be done" --- that is a truly breathtakingly arrogant remark and not appropriate for a fishing discussion board.

ZaraSp00k

08/23/2019 07:15AM

all this loud talking is because of Trump, he's always talking loudly and people have picked up the habit, if you are a loud talker, you are racist

barehook

08/20/2019 10:17AM

NorthBranchdavidian: "Awesome. Figuring-in hooking mortality that you will undoubtedly claim doesn't exist, you only killed and wasted 40-80 walleye...conservatively."

This feels kind of like a 'trollish' post, but I guess I'll bite.

What would you suggest? Quit fishing? Ban fishing in BWCA? Catch a certain limited number and then start using a technique that doesn't work very well so that we kill less?

We do set the hook promptly, I used my pliers three or four times because hook was kind of deep in mouth, what more can I say?

OldScout48

08/25/2019 01:28PM

pswith5: "Where can I find hot pink ones for my grand daughter?"

Many of the Ely Outfitters have them and Midwest Mountaineering in Minneapolis has them.
Send me an e-mail. OldScout48@aol.com

Que

04/05/2019 06:12AM

Until a response to the latest Utube is forthcoming from upper offices, may I invite viewers and park visitors to do their own research on permitted use and regulations that park staff are obliged to implement and enforce.
Please refer to pages 25 to 60 of the Woodland Caribou Signature Site Management Plan for specifics on Woodland Caribou Prov. Park (link below). Check out Appendix 2 "Permitted Use Table in WCPP" which is the wilderness core and Appendix 3 "Permitted Use Table for WCPP park additions". This is where the confusion comes from as permitted uses are different for these areas. The Wilderness portion of Woodland Caribou (the larger park) is more restrictive. There are only 8 wilderness class parks in Ontario and this policy applies for all. Note that snowmobiling can occur in park additions but is not permitted in the core wilderness portions of the park.
Page 28, section 9.2.2 speaks of snowmobiling in the core wilderness portions of the park. To bring the activity up to par with the policy, the plan identifies a phase-out strategy over a 10-yr period with a review for Knox Lk. This phase-out strategy was approved by a steering committees of park stakeholders including canoe outfitters. The phase-out has all taken place now and Knox Lk was granted an extension till 2027.
So while snowmobile is not generally permitted in wilderness parks such as Woodland Caribou's wilderness portions (except for Knox Lk), it is still a permitted us in the park's additions. If snowmobiling in the regulated park additions, park permits are required.
I hope this helps clarify the subject of snowmobiling and permit requirements.

link - http://files.ontario.ca/…/parks-and-protect…/mnr_bpp0407.pdf.

WCPP Management Plan…/parks-and-protect…/mnr_bpp0407.pdf.

billconner

04/05/2019 06:59AM

Thank you!

VoyageurNorth

04/23/2019 02:22PM

wannabeoutthere: "How about renting a three or four person canoe?"

I agree with a 4 person canoe. We rent out both the Wenonah MN4 and the Northstar (used to be Bell) Northwind 20 4 person. The MN 4 travels fast but at 23 feet long, can be more challenging on portaging not because of the weight (62#) but because it is 23 feet - 12.5 feet in front of you & in back of you, gotta watch turns & trees. The Northstar is shorter and quite stable, little lighter than the MN4.

ILikePike

04/23/2019 04:05PM

Thanks VoyageurNorth for the info, that's kind of what I thought.

We have a two canoe rack for our vehicle, so we would be able to just put it in the extra spot. Would outfitters usually supply the ropes/ratchets for this even if we supply the vehicle rack? And are carrying yokes including in the rental price or is that added on?

We also plan on picking up our permit at the Kawishiwi Ranger station in Ely. If we decide to rent a canoe through an outfitter, is it possible to pick up the permit there so we don't have to make two stops?

VoyageurNorth

04/23/2019 02:00PM

I'm an outfitter & I can tell you that most of us (or maybe all) have solo canoes, probably many models/materials/weights.

I'd advise picking up the canoe and transporting it yourself. We & others do offer transportation but it is an extra fee. Little Indian Sioux is about 55 minutes from the town of Ely, more from outfitters who are out of town.

It isn't so much the "bigger" entry, but it is the length of time and the condition of the roads (the Echo Trail has some black top but is also a lot of gravel and quite twisty-turny. 55 minutes is at least a 2 hour drive when they go to your entry and then back to their store.

You should be able to get some car top carriers to help you transport the canoe, those generally are included with your canoe rental at no extra charge.

VoyageurNorth

04/23/2019 02:07PM

What day do you plan on starting your trip "on the water"?

I can see what is available and then comment based on those entries. No use talking about certain entries/routes, if they are are not open for your date.

VoyageurNorth

04/23/2019 02:14PM

Wish I could offer you something that would work, but we are in town and even though at the edge of town, star gazing has competition from the college parking lot lights.

How about Kawishiwi Lodge over at Lake One? I hear they have nice little cabins and you are right on the Lake One entry area so you can take day trips from there. I'm sure they can point out smallmouth fishing spots too and you are welcome to stop by our place on the way out to the Lodge and my hubby can give you some fishing spots/pointers too.

Besides for the cabins, there are no "town lights" so I'm pretty sure you'd have a good view of the stars and if you are lucky, of some northern lights too.

Get your reservation in asap for a cabin no matter where you choose, they get pretty busy in July.

VoyageurNorth

04/23/2019 03:28PM

Just checked and Lake One entries are not open (#30 & #30F the restricted no river camping one)

Did find some openings that could work.
#6 Slim, 140 rod portage in. day trips to 3 lakes with short portages
#31 Farm Lake - no starting portage. Get to Clear Lake via 175 rod portage, base in Clear Lake
#27 Snowbank (20-25 min from Ely)- couple short portages through Perent & into Disappointment. Not likely cell phone coverage, but you could rent a sat phone.
#14 Little Indian Sioux - (55 min from Ely) 40 rod portage in, 60 rod halfway up river (slow moving) and camp at Pauness. day trip to nearby lakes, see waterfalls on north side of Pauness. No cell phone coverage, would need sat phone if contact is needed.
#24 Fall Lake - (10-15 min from Ely)very easy & short portages, good fishing but it does have some motorboat traffic
#25 Moose Lake (20-25 min from Ely) - also very easy & short portages & you can get a tow boat to haul you up part way. 2 short portages and camp in Ensign.

My favorite of these is #14 Little Indian Sioux, I have taken 2 solo trips there. Beautiful and love the small river and small lakes. I'm not a strong solo paddler and I'd rather portage 2 packs at once instead of one canoe across portages, but I enjoyed it a lot.

brux

04/23/2019 08:14PM

VoyageurNorth: "wannabeoutthere: "How about renting a three or four person canoe?"

I agree with a 4 person canoe. We rent out both the Wenonah MN4 and the Northstar (used to be Bell) Northwind 20 4 person. The MN 4 travels fast but at 23 feet long, can be more challenging on portaging not because of the weight (62#) but because it is 23 feet - 12.5 feet in front of you & in back of you, gotta watch turns & trees. The Northstar is shorter and quite stable, little lighter than the MN4."

+3 The Northstar 20 is awesome. May be changing to fish out of if only 2 of you go fishing and NOT a boat to try solo fishing.

adam

07/04/2023 10:28AM

x2jmorris: "Couple questions regarding this if you don't mind.
- What has the past turnout numbers been about?
- Dog's allowed?
- RSVP on here?
- So everyone pitches a tent near the barn? Are there any cabins nearby to rent instead?
- Is it a potluck or is everything catered? Does it cost anything?
- Also is there like a Q&A for these events or have they just been going on so long that everyone already knows what is up?"

Last year was pretty light as we fired it back up after a few years off. The numbers have varied in years past, but give or take 50 - 75 people. Some just stop in during the day and others camp. Plenty of space to spread out and camp. Some people set their hammocks under the barn. Baker has some camper cabins to rent, but they may be booked up. Map Link

Well-behaved dogs are allowed.

*POTLUCK will be on Saturday afternoon at TBD. – Please bring a dish to share! The variety of food is unbelievable! Many people cook on-site. There are no grills. There are fire rings with grates. Bring what you need to prepare your food.

WHAT'S AT CAMP:
*Barn shelter with electricity. (Electricity is not for camper hookup.)

*A water pump is located on-site. There is a latrine building without running water.

*Picnic tables, yes. BYO chairs.

*There are showers down the road at Baker Park. They should be open weather permitting.

*LOTS OF BWCA.COM FRIENDS TO SHARE STORIES WITH!!!

PADDLING:
Feel free to bring your canoes or kayaks and your fishing gear. There is no lake to put in by the site but you can go to Lake Independence or over to Lake Rebecca to paddle.

HOUSEKEEPING REMINDERS-
*Please Leave no Trace!

*You are responsible for yourself, your family and your guests when it comes to keeping a clean camp. This includes the latrine building and things left (tossed) in the woods.
*Recycling bins are available for all recyclables.

*Garbage cans are on site so you don't need to pack-it-out.

ANOTHER NOTE-
If you are someone who wants to go to bed early or sleep in late, it is recommended you camp away from the fire pits. Socializing tends to go on around the fire pits both late into the night and early in the morning.

RSVP: Just post here to get an idea of the numbers coming.

COST: Donation box to cover group camp rental.

RunningFox

07/04/2023 02:25PM

BearClan: "Foolish, a gross misdemeanor. Yet if you are with the ruling class you walk with felony gun charges along with felony tax evasion. "

BearClan squarely hits the nail on its head.

Hoplophobes are common now days.

Purtman

02/07/2020 11:48PM

Thanks!

VoyageurNorth

04/23/2019 04:53PM

I've been to Little Indian Sioux lots of times, no beaver dams on the river. There is one in between Lower & Upper Pauness, but the 30 rod portage is better than the 8 rod which also has the beaver dam a bit after the 8 rod trail.

The portage into Shell is about 2/3 mile but fairly level. A pond about half way which you would paddle a bit and then get back on the portage trail.

Trump 2020

04/23/2019 09:53PM

PikeEatPike: "Last year me and the wife took a easy base camp trip to Gabbro. Good thing too because the wind was nasty for most of the week, first part of June. We didn't catch a lot, but we did find a few really nice gills there. Crappie too.

"

You might as well give the gps coordinates with that island in the background

YaMarVa

07/13/2023 11:19PM

BigCurrent

09/22/2023 10:49AM

Updated post with more photos.

Purtman

02/07/2020 11:52PM

Thanks. Great feedback.

Marten

04/07/2019 09:04AM

For the sake of WCPP, Red Lake Outfitters, Ontario Parks, Harlan and Claire I ask that this issue is put to rest. As a fan of WCPP with great memories of awesome canoe trips in the park I ask this. Those trips involved a lot of assistance from Harlan and Claire. Another paddling season is fast approaching and for the sake of all human beings involved I would love to see this not aired on social media but over a cup of coffee at Tim Hortons. Do it for WCPP.

Stupidity

04/07/2019 08:45AM

I was going to wear my life jacket but now that I see the cover of a magaizine with a few guys not wearing them......no way.

God we are a nation of sheep!!! A population ever increasingly unable to think for ourselves. Very alarming!!!

MagicPaddler

04/07/2019 09:31AM

Que: " Until a response to the latest Utube is forthcoming from upper offices, may I invite viewers and park visitors to do their own research on permitted use and regulations that park staff are obliged to implement and enforce.
Please refer to pages 25 to 60 of the Woodland Caribou Signature Site Management Plan for specifics on Woodland Caribou Prov. Park (link below). Check out Appendix 2 "Permitted Use Table in WCPP" which is the wilderness core and Appendix 3 "Permitted Use Table for WCPP park additions". This is where the confusion comes from as permitted uses are different for these areas. The Wilderness portion of Woodland Caribou (the larger park) is more restrictive. There are only 8 wilderness class parks in Ontario and this policy applies for all. Note that snowmobiling can occur in park additions but is not permitted in the core wilderness portions of the park.
Page 28, section 9.2.2 speaks of snowmobiling in the core wilderness portions of the park. To bring the activity up to par with the policy, the plan identifies a phase-out strategy over a 10-yr period with a review for Knox Lk. This phase-out strategy was approved by a steering committees of park stakeholders including canoe outfitters. The phase-out has all taken place now and Knox Lk was granted an extension till 2027.
So while snowmobile is not generally permitted in wilderness parks such as Woodland Caribou's wilderness portions (except for Knox Lk), it is still a permitted us in the park's additions. If snowmobiling in the regulated park additions, park permits are required.
I hope this helps clarify the subject of snowmobiling and permit requirements.

link - http://files.ontario.ca/…/parks-and-protect…/mnr_bpp0407.pdf.

WCPP Management Plan…/parks-and-protect…/mnr_bpp0407.pdf. "
Question to Ontario parks:
Are the rules for using the park so …. complicated - confusing - vague that park staff and outfitters can’t understand them?
A frequent Ontario Parks user.

solotrip

04/07/2019 09:58AM

Marten, Magicpaddler etc..

I will agree this is a shame, an absolute bloody shame. However you both, along with others have seen first hand what goes on up here. You both know me well, you know where my heart lies, where my ethics are.

I have tried, tried, and tried for years to get managers to understand that there is deep rooted problem in WCPP with regards to office staff. The responsibility lies with them to handle their own staff properly, even if that means making a tough decision. For years they have failed to act and it's let to this situation. They lie, they spin, they distract. They do it all because their culture is so flawed that they just can't admit that they are wrong. That's all they had to do!

I have made several attempts in writing to have meetings to discuss this, so that it wouldn't get to this point Trust me, I have done everything I can to make that happen....but nothing. They do nothing. So this went public and I'll stand by my decision to do that. How much more should I have to take, how many more times does my business have to suffer before something gets done? Ask yourself, if all else had failed, what would you do in this situation if your livelihood was at stake?

There is only one law, nobody is above it. Those that have taken an oath to administer and protect it have a duty and responsibility to be truthful.....and that's it. Unfortunately that's not what happened here and when they were caught, they dug in their heels...very sad.

Harlan

Jackfish

04/06/2020 06:31AM

podgeo

06/05/2020 05:44PM

ZaraSp00k: " here is why you should avoid Minneapolis, if at all possible "

Maybe you should just stay in your Bubble if you are so worried about the Covid in Minneapolis it might be a better place with out you. And yes the case numbers would be higher there because its one of the most populated counties in the state next to Ramsey county (St.Paul)

And as far as the protesters. I worked Monday Tuesday this week on the 100 block of 31st in South Minneapolis 2 blocks from the 5th precinct. It was business as usual other then boarded up windows and graffiti everywhere. I never once felt like I was in danger. Of course I was gone by 330pm too.

adam

04/22/2020 06:19AM

There is no anticipated change to the site or domain, but the company who manages the operations of the hardware/bandwidth will need to change. Service has dropped in recent weeks. I could speculate why but it is what it is.

sns

04/07/2019 02:06PM

adam

10/10/2023 09:32AM

top

Buster

09/16/2019 11:34AM

September Sunrise - Kawishiwi River

missmolly

08/21/2019 09:22AM

NorthBranchdavidian: "It's like throwing a tire in the lake and telling everybody how good you are at disposing of tires.
"

Speaking of tossing tires, you keep chucking burning tires into this thread, Dan.

thegildedgopher

08/20/2019 11:10AM

"Fished deep mid-lake reefs and points, 15-25 feet. "

I guess I don't consider 15-25 feet to be the serious danger zone.

I personally won't fish any deeper than 20 this time of year unless I am meat hunting, and once I catch my limit I will either stop fishing or change up my tactic/target species to allow me to fish C&R in a manner that makes me feel confident the fish have a future.

Thanks for the report barehook.

timatkn

10/13/2023 08:30PM

X612er: "Soledad: "Stumpy: "Snow Machines made them.
And Roger is a good guy."

“Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.” -The Dude

Roger is a felon and someone who thought/thinks rules don't apply to him. "
Yes Roger is a good guy.

What felonies was Roger charged with? Or convicted of?"

Let’s just move on…sounds like you know him? So you obviously don’t care. It’s pretty easy to find and it’s been prominently published as well…Lakner…Ely 6…etc…everyone knows how he got busted destroying federal property and the convicted felon he was associated with… maybe he plea bargained down from a felony? Maybe that’s the straw you’re grasping LOL. He was convicted of a crime and admitted to violating federal laws for decades. But hey, snowflakes like that pick and choose the laws they follow because they think they are “special” and laws don’t apply to them… Geesh

T

X612er

10/14/2023 06:23AM

I just had 2 posts deleted and then the tread was locked. I pointed out snowmobiles studs are not illegal ...Deleted. Same thread someone lied and called an ex Ely mayor a felon...deleted. Why? Is it because I am new here? Because I speak truth and it does not fit the narrative?

edorival

05/05/2022 10:17PM

Anybody looking for a good Ely area ice report:

https://youtube.com/shorts/6OL4T3docCM?feature=share

Things are looking good.

Gaidin53

05/06/2022 09:35AM

I’d sign up with PP which has a system for notifying you if you sign up for a specific permit point and date. Apparently after about 15 minutes of the permit becoming available it will send you a notification.

Ryan

520eek

05/27/2022 01:30AM

Some of that original shine on canoe has given away to many trips on the water!

520eek

05/27/2022 01:35AM

oops on double post!

gravelroad

06/02/2022 03:38PM

mhalv839: "Thanks everyone. I have a bookmarked saved and will be checking multiple times a day. thanks for the words of wisdom.

Mark"

If you will provide an email address, some very useful information can be shared with you regarding this topic that cannot be done here. Send me an email message using the envelope icon that appears under my handle here.

fromtenttotakeoff

01/26/2024 12:42PM

Old thread, but in case anyone needs it, here is our packing list for week+ long self-outfitted BWCA trips, including our Google Sheets checklist.

https://fromtenttotakeoff.com/boundary-waters-packing-list/

jillpine

06/10/2022 09:25PM

Hawbakers

09/07/2011 09:54PM

quote Kevlar: His record was something like 28 hours, nonstop. Imagine finding your way in the dark, running rapids, finding portages.

Thanks Kevlar for that info. That is incredible.

adam

01/28/2024 09:03PM

Great to see some many old and new faces!

Fall wingnight is reserved for 9/20-9/22 at a Baker Park Group campground.

I look forward to seeing many of you in person!

timatkn

04/08/2019 07:41AM

Agree, private would be better...but it was almost 3 months later before he went public. So even by billconnor’s measure it had been a long time. I am not sure why it should take so long to simply put up a post saying “our previous post about all snowmobiling being illegal was incorrect we have heard it caused negatively towards an outfitter, it was our error and we apologize”

To be honest to do this months later is ridiculous, that error caused a business to get bad publicity, should of happened immediately as soon as they were informed instead of just taking down the incorrect post/message behind the scenes with apparently no communication. It should have never come to this. I would be on the Parks side if they would have at least made some effort to set the record straight.

T

Wallski

04/08/2019 02:31PM

I always go to the milk-jug rigs. 8-12 pound line, kahale hook, and big bait. Let em float around and when a big-UN gets on paddle fast to catch da bobber ehh.

mpeebles

04/25/2019 05:01PM

I echo Marten's sentiments on the issue. WCPP is a wonderful place and everyone I've ever dealt with up there are very nice, caring folks. Looking forward to seeing ya'll later this summer!

Safe travels......Mike

Heyfritty

07/01/2022 08:07PM

Welcome!! And great name!

go fishing

07/01/2022 05:20PM

i rented a canoe from camp Qetico latr May .nice camp ask for barry he will answer any question a
s

Laketrout67

07/01/2022 06:09PM

Argo

07/05/2022 05:22PM

I would be interested in finding out how many on these people quoted in this article that are making this decision have actually taken a tow, much less a BWCA trip? I’d be willing to bet the wilderness watch person that said tows are not necessary have never been on Moose with 2 foot whitecaps from the south. The system works, leave it alone.

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I did not write this. No idea how it got posted.

Blatz

05/14/2020 06:33PM

Patience is a virtue

rockstaranon

05/05/2020 11:08AM

Aldy1

04/30/2020 01:31AM

Yahoo!

Wallski

04/25/2019 09:56PM

Knife usually produces 5-12 pound average over my years of experience. Three winters ago I pulled a 25 pounder outta there on hard water. Basswood, Carp, slowbank, and burntside all have 20+ pounders in them. They call it fishing for a reason.

Zwater

04/25/2019 11:14PM

Wallski aka TGO, you need to find a hobby.

cyclones30

07/07/2022 09:16PM

Where?

QueticoMike

04/26/2019 06:30AM

Just a reminder, if you liked my Zulu Magic article, you can still purchase the current Spring Boundary Waters Journal which has my Zulu Magic Update article. You can call BWJ at 800-548-7319. New tips and tricks added in the updated article, along with some entertaining stories.

I also believe the BWJ will be publishing in the fall my article on fall fishing for the "Grand Slam", a very detailed fall fishing article. So keep an eye out for this article in late September.

Wallski

04/26/2019 01:10AM

Zwater: "Wallski aka TGO, you need to find a hobby." Ummmm trying to be polite. I do have a nasty hobby fishing from lake of the woods, to the current steelhead run on the north shores of superior.

deerfoot

07/10/2022 02:43PM

Bump

Tomcat

05/31/2023 08:51AM

VoyageurNorth

01/29/2020 01:39PM

I have had customers who go up to Basswood and see almost no one camping.

Not sure on the Day Use, but the camping ones seem to be a bit suspect on being used.

Jackfish

04/09/2019 06:40PM

Jeff88: "Lower Pauness Lake
https://bwca.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=photos.load&popup=0#"
Try it again, Jeff.

Jackfish

05/23/2019 09:42AM

HowardSprague

08/30/2018 12:34PM

billconner: "Smittys? Sold?"
Smitty's has been sold, but I don't think that was this listing as it was promoted as an outfitter as well. That really wasn't a part of Smitty's business, though it sounds like the new owners might do outfitting,..not sure.

QueticoMike

04/27/2019 01:34PM

I meant to post this in the fishing forum and accidentally put it in the trip planning forum. I wonder if the mods can move it for me?

Saberboys

03/09/2021 08:07PM

Bump

krick

04/19/2020 09:16AM

krick: "Well, I wasn’t planning a trip this year but now I find myself unemployed. I may try to sneak a trip in in late May or early June.
My trip usually included a 250$ tow.

This year need to be a budget trip.
Any ideas without sacrificing good fishing? "

I will need to rent a canoe and that’s about it.

reeferaddict

06/07/2023 11:05AM

So now that it’s legal, anyone want to go into business with me and open a dispensary on the Gunflint trail? I think it would be a prime location for people heading into the bw

Harv

04/11/2019 08:28PM

Ely or Grand Marais side?

Strokeofluck

03/26/2023 05:39PM

Strokeofluck: "Like new, used once (one small 2 day river trip), CCS Pioneer Pack. No signs of wear, looks brand new. Also including various CCS zippered stuff bags, Seal Line water proof stuff sacks, and Seal Line straps. Shipping included, or I can meet locally. Quad City area, IA/IL boarder. Text 309 912 8693. $300

boonie

03/26/2023 07:18PM

double post

JimmyJustice

03/27/2023 07:49AM

Zwater

07/16/2019 07:55PM

Hippy responses:)
Smallies are the invasive species. Case closed.

Woods Walker

03/24/2013 09:58AM

quote TuscaroraBorealis: "Check out this forum. Cool spots in canoe country "

So how do I get access to post on this hidden little gem?

Bushpilot

07/16/2019 09:05PM

Stop this now. It is 2019 and ALL species are welcome. This fish hate has to stop.

nooneuno

04/12/2019 08:53PM

ernursebwca: "How long do you guys think until CCS is one of the businesses we refer to in posts like these? Think about it...it's a brand that doesn't readily escape the midwest, super-niche and rather expensive (worth it imo), and his wife and business partner recently passed away...

Either he retires and lets CCS retire with him, or he sells the name Kelty or something like that. I might buy a 3rd tarp just for "the future"!"

How long do you think it will be before someone meets you on a portage and teaches you some fucking manners?

bigmannooneuno

04/13/2019 12:15AM

nooneuno: "ernursebwca: "How long do you guys think until CCS is one of the businesses we refer to in posts like these? Think about it...it's a brand that doesn't readily escape the midwest, super-niche and rather expensive (worth it imo), and his wife and business partner recently passed away...

Either he retires and lets CCS retire with him, or he sells the name Kelty or something like that. I might buy a 3rd tarp just for "the future"!"

How long do you think it will be before someone meets you on a portage and teaches you some fucking manners?"

Provide your contact info and we can hasten the learning process!

bigmannooneuno

04/13/2019 12:16AM

bigmannooneuno: "nooneuno: "ernursebwca: "How long do you guys think until CCS is one of the businesses we refer to in posts like these? Think about it...it's a brand that doesn't readily escape the midwest, super-niche and rather expensive (worth it imo), and his wife and business partner recently passed away...

Either he retires and lets CCS retire with him, or he sells the name Kelty or something like that. I might buy a 3rd tarp just for "the future"!"

How long do you think it will be before someone meets you on a portage and teaches you some fucking manners?"

Provide your contact info and we can hasten the learning process!"

(for you for threatening people online, I'll educate you well!)

Walldogg

04/13/2019 01:19PM

The same can be said about your opinion, I don’t get why everyone gets so butthurt about ppl listening to a radio in the BWCA. Not like he asked what’s the best way to tow kegs into the BWCA for a party

Wintersguy80

04/29/2019 04:51PM

CityFisher74

05/17/2019 08:43AM

Always keep a joint and a flask of whiskey in the canoe because you can't guarantee there will be fish, but you can guar....you get it - remember to enjoy yourself out there.

Flatlandpaddler

04/30/2019 07:21AM

Phil/TX

05/17/2019 12:34PM

LidaWear

05/24/2019 07:16AM

I am not sure about the best, but my friend suggest me the sunglasses store, where huge amount of sunglasses variance is available at wholesale or in affordable price. If you want buy a sunglasses than visit the city Sunglass store for fashionable sunglasses

mutz

04/14/2020 08:40AM

cowdoc: "If Trump told him to drink the water.....he'd drink it."

Is there anything that could be posted that you couldn’t figure a way to make an anti Trump statement.

lean

07/01/2012 02:27PM

quote schweady: "We put ours out on rocks across from our site and spend the evening entertained by the eagles who come to feed. How does this kill loons? Honest question.
"I believe the Sea Gulls are eating Loon eggs. I use to lay fish remains on rocks to watch Eagles, but it always happened the Sea Gulls would get their fill before the Eagle came along. We sink fish remains now. Crayfish and turtles will make quick work of them. The BWCA wouldn't be the same without the Loon.

gvpant

01/29/2020 02:40PM

We noticed that last year. Lots of nice campsites empty in mid May on the weekend. Thought that was suspect as far as permits not getting used.

thegildedgopher

08/20/2019 12:51PM

Ms Molly, I am a "troubled boy" even though I'm nearly 40. Will you take me fishing after school? :D

Tomcat

04/15/2019 12:34PM

TomT

02/08/2020 08:37AM

Tomcat

09/21/2019 05:02PM

lindylair

03/29/2020 05:33PM

Well, better than CNN or Fox...thanks:)

sjruelle

04/30/2019 08:54PM

cyclones30

07/04/2019 01:58PM

Inflatable what?

shock

07/17/2019 03:37AM

Zwater: "Hippy responses:)
Smallies are the invasive species. Case closed." and has nothing to do with the O.P.
just beating a dead horse.

MagicPaddler

07/17/2019 06:19AM

Zwater: "Bushpilot: "Stop this now. It is 2019 and ALL species are welcome. This fish hate has to stop."

Nice:)"
+1

bobbernumber3

07/17/2019 06:20AM

shock: "Zwater: "Hippy responses:)
Smallies are the invasive species. Case closed." and has nothing to do with the O.P.
just beating a dead horse. "

Conversations flow various directions... and the topic refers to invasive species. Not a big step to invasive smb beating.

Jackfish

05/01/2019 09:37AM

Bushpilot

05/01/2019 10:15AM

missmolly

05/01/2019 10:57AM

airmorse: "Wallski: "Back in 1974 I was camping up the moise-loop way with a few town soaks. Bout 3am when all us soaks where snookered up this Volvo comes a screaming into camp, stuff was damn flying everywhere but normal. Well this gentlemen well south of hwy 2 said he thought we where the logging protest camp. Poor guy got to hangout and drink with 2 loggers and 3 miners. We fed him good and sent the poor fella down damn road you could say."

Whatever..."

Wallski is a performance artist and I enjoy him accordingly.

Guest Paddler

06/14/2023 08:23AM

toastedmarshmallow12: "Broad assumptions from a map that shows very little detail. Let's leave reporting to the firefighters. Your winds are inaccurate as well. They are north winds not south."

ya... don't listen to that NASA software... toastedmarshmallow is smarter than those guys

/s

mschi772

06/14/2023 09:30AM

I was trying to support with what little I could spare when I was using the site more, but then I asked a question about an unwritten rule which led to you going off and insulting me and disparaging what little I had managed to give you in the past. I still probably have the screenshots somewhere.

mschi772

06/14/2023 09:30AM

nctry

03/18/2019 11:01PM

HighnDry: "I'm a sucker for a family photo!"

And toss in a Bwca.com sticker... good luck ducks!

underarock

05/02/2019 11:21AM

What a crock.

ZaraSp00k

07/17/2019 08:34AM

Bushpilot: "Stop this now. It is 2019 and ALL species are welcome. This fish hate has to stop."

but that is a good point, only the mixing of people is good?

the science that proves that please

since this is all so new, we really don't know the final outcome, and keep in mind, invasive species are the result of people movement, the fish didn't fly or swim from Europe, Africa, or wherever to get here, neither did the plants or whatever

LidaWear

05/24/2019 11:38PM

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Grandpa N

05/02/2019 07:18PM

Stay home.

Wallski

05/02/2019 07:51PM

I hammered Steelhead, loopers and cohoes today in a creek between Duluth and Grand portage.

LidaWear

05/25/2019 04:54AM

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LidaWear

05/25/2019 05:11AM

I like dark shaped polarized sunglasses, because I liked driving very much. For night driving polarized sunglass is very important. It protects the eyes from the pollution and external damages. Polarized glasses are also the many issues related to the eyes.

Fried Fish

10/02/2019 05:44PM

Does the ground sheet that came with my tent go on the inside or outside of the tent?

Zwater

05/02/2019 09:51PM

Here we go again:)

Basspro69

05/02/2019 10:10PM

Zwater: "Here we go again:)" +1

Wallski

05/03/2019 03:20AM

Well if you youngsters wanna fart with bait have at err. Best bait is catching your own on the lake your fishing.

FullGo

07/17/2019 11:34AM

FullGo

07/17/2019 11:36AM

CityFisher74

07/17/2019 01:25PM

Bushpilot: "Stop this now. It is 2019 and ALL species are welcome. This fish hate has to stop."

Are we even certain that these Walleyes identify as Walleyes?

BWCA

08/01/2023 08:56AM

top

mgraber

05/06/2019 12:20AM

EasyFisher

02/09/2024 09:19AM

Hey we are going in EP22 (can't stay on Horse so have to make it to LBWF) on 7/28, right around the same time. So interested to hear other responses. I haven't been through EP22/23 before, so can't say for sure. But just sharing another resource, there is a site called PP (not allowed to put the name on this site) that has a BWCA map, the free version allows you to do a point a to point b and it will give you an estimated trip length. You can adjust for double, single portage, and paddle speed. Guessing Tomcat is pretty experienced paddler and single portaging, it has from his campsite to the EP a little over 4 hrs single portaging at 3.5mph paddling. My big group will 1-1.5 portage. We are planning to give ourselves 5-6hrs to LBWF. If we make it faster than that, just bonus.

tumblehome

05/06/2019 08:09AM

double post

mudhen

02/11/2024 08:46AM

Zwater

07/17/2019 07:27PM

CityFisher74: "missmolly: "This paragraph is from an MPR article: "The DNR often stocks lakes to repair ecosystems after winter kill or over fishing, but Vanderbosch said the bulk of his job involves creating walleye fisheries where they don't naturally exist. Thanks to stocking, most Minnesotans live less than half an hour from a good walleye lake. In all, there are 1,400 walleye-rich lakes in the state, only 270 of which are naturally self-sustaining. The DNR stocks the rest so people can enjoy hauling walleye into their boats."

So, if a walleye is non-native to a particular lake, but native to a region, is it invasive?

Here's the article. "

How many of the 270 naturally self-sustaining lakes are in the BWCA? Like, 250 of them?!?!"

+1
This has to be one of the most ridiculous threads ever:)

Buhlie

08/04/2023 05:18PM

Shit tons of old resorts / cabins / homesteads up there. Sad that they were taken for next to nothing. I’m down in Wisconsin Dells at the moment, went for a ride in the very Duck boats the the FS stole from a resort on Basswood today. No one knew what I was talking about when I brought it up.

My kids grandfather (Ex’s dad) had an 80 acre homestead on Cummings (Anderson Bay, named for the family) with a 1/2 mile of shoreline that the FS stole in ‘78 for $27k. The government took their birthright for a song.

There’s a 40 with half that frontage for sale on Burntside with a Shit Shack cabin right now for a $Mil…….

steveo_21_hoyt@yaahoo.com

05/07/2019 03:43PM

Britton every year hands down ..... excellent food, service, etc. bring cash

Bushpilot

06/05/2020 08:48PM

Seems to be a trend.

Veteran attacked for carrying a flag in Portland.

Another man attacked for having a flag

BWCA rape victim still seeking justice

We can not just stand by and watch. These are the children the village has raised.
Watching is as bad as the act itself. Step up, people.

preacherdave

05/08/2019 05:20PM

allfish

06/04/2020 11:50AM

We come in heavy, tackle/food/drink, and base camp!

TechnoScout

08/03/2019 05:55PM

Here is an update on the design, and attachment method. Need to crimp the tails so that the clip does not come off.

Doohickey Rev. B

Basspro69

05/09/2019 11:55AM

Aldy1

05/13/2020 06:10PM

Wohoo! Great news. Feels like a huge weight lifted from everyone's shoulders. I know what I'll be doing tonight.. more trip planning!

Jackfish

08/02/2019 10:18PM

Don't forget to use the "Add a link to this message" function when adding a link to your post. Thanks.

"Add a link to this message" instructions

deerguy101

04/09/2020 12:31PM

canoller: "Breakfast Burritos

Fresh Bacon
Fresh Eggs
Rehydrated Onions
Rehydrated green & red peppers
Cheese
Tortilla shells

Fry up fresh bacon
Scramble eggs and add rehydrated onions, rehydrated green and red peppers. Add cheese toward the end of the eggs, timing it so the cheese melts as the eggs are done. Add eggs and bacon to a tortilla that has or has not been warmed. Enjoy!

Our favorite breakfast of the trip."

This has got to be the best. Pretty much what I eat for breakfast.

scottiebaldwin

02/16/2024 12:16PM

Speckled: "Isn't this largely done? Between the two map sites - you can already see pictures of nearly every site and every portage."

In addition to BWCA.com and the Paddle Planner website, don't forget about BWCAwild.com which has amazing videos of tons of portages, campsites, and paddling. All three sites compliment each other. I love them all.

yogi59weedr

04/01/2023 11:50PM

Wow...
That's a lot of camera info there.

KarlBAndersen1

04/18/2023 06:31AM

Argo

07/12/2023 10:39PM

It's not as bad as the contestant on Wheel of Fortune who asked for an N when the puzzle read:

C L A M _ I G G E R

Edit: Just Snopesed it. It was an edit. My bad. Feel bad for the guy who's image was used. Back to Mia...

missmolly

08/22/2019 09:51AM

timatkn: "missmolly: "T, where do these delayed mortality fish bodies go? I tend to fish a place for at least a week. I have never, not once, seen a dead fish floating on the surface and it's clear water, so I can often see to the bottom. "

It’s a good question. Most dead fish sink if I remember right.
But there are questions about the studies saying warm water delayed hooking mortality can be so high. Many times the fish are caught and then kept in pens to see if they die, the problem is the stress of being held in a pen, not eating, being kept in usually in warmer water than the fish would normally return to May be killing the fishmore than the delayed hooking. It is a valid argument against the higher delayed hooking mortality studies. In my opinion get the fish in quick—don’t play them until they are just laying on the surface, release them quick and where you caught them (don’t bring the fish to shore and release in shallow warm water) and I don’t think you will have much delayed mortality. A quick release for me is no different than a fish shaking the hook at the boat and swimming off right away. I have a hard time believing a lot of those fish die no matter what the temp.

T"

T, here's what I found on BBC Science: "Most fish are slightly denser than water, so sink immediately after death. However, like a drowned human, they become more buoyant over time as bacterial decomposition produces gases inside the body. Usually, enough gas builds up in body cavities to make the corpse float, like an inflated balloon."

This begs a follow-up question, i.e. how long does it take for gases to accumulate to float a fish? I tend to fish a site for a week. If I'm killing fish, it takes more than a week because I have never, not once, since a floating fish. I do tend to release fish in the water and I rarely fish deep.

I found the answer to the follow-up question, how long does it take a dead fish to float: "This can be a slow 8-14 days in cool waters or a couple days in warm waters."

Wables

05/17/2020 09:01PM

Have you checked out (BWCA.com won’t let me tell you)? It’s all I use now. It is an online tool that has campsite and portage information, links to DNR survey reports, and a route calculator that shows water and portage distance between any 2 points. You can set it up for your paddle speed, number of times you cross portages, etc, and it calculates your travel time.

tumblehome

04/06/2023 10:49AM

I know I'll get flamed for this but some of you have pretty high expectations of your outfitter.

Free gifts for the kiddies
Greet you at the shore when you return
Treat you like family

I mean, they are running a business. Does your insurance company have to do this for your business? What about the dude at the gas station?

I know, I know, flame me.

I pick outfitters based on their values.

There is a well-known outfitter out of Ely that wants Wilderness protections removed and strongly advocates for that.

There is also a well-known outfitter in Ely that is a vocal proponent of wilderness values and advocates strongly for wilderness protections.

That's how I pick my outfitter.

timatkn

04/06/2023 08:00PM

tumblehome: "I know I'll get flamed for this but some of you have pretty high expectations of your outfitter.

Free gifts for the kiddies
Greet you at the shore when you return
Treat you like family

I mean, they are running a business. Does your insurance company have to do this for your business? What about the dude at the gas station?

I know, I know, flame me.

I pick outfitters based on their values.

There is a well-known outfitter out of Ely that wants Wilderness protections removed and strongly advocates for that.

There is also a well-known outfitter in Ely that is a vocal proponent of wilderness values and advocates strongly for wilderness protections.

That's how I pick my outfitter."

Yea I am going to flame you…I suggest you leave your politics at the door and re-read the OP’s question and all of our answers in an unbiased way…and maybe…just maybe…you might understand why you deserve to be flamed.

Not ONE SINGLE post stated these were expectations. In fact I went out of my way to say THEY WEREN’t expectations…but here ya go right away misquoting/misrepresenting me my specifically mentioning my post (I am the only one who mentioned kids).

Sometimes people/companies do things way above and beyond what is expected and that’s what creates loyalty. That’s what this thread was about…for me I was including 5 different outfitters…which is an impressive array for the area and industry. Sorry I mentioned my personal experience's that impressed me after the OP asked for examples…
Sheesh…

T

tumblehome

04/07/2023 05:51AM

None of what you wrote makes any sense. None of it. I can’t possibly write it any other way. The beauty of humans is we usually think independently and therefore have different opinions.

Tom

Tomcat

04/08/2023 11:18AM

Deleted

CaSofia

08/03/2019 09:46AM

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The secret is that I am eliminating a complicated fish stock making process by using store-bought clam juice and white wine. Clam juice is definitely you pantry’s next secret weapon in making this super easy but flavorful one pot dish.
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Upnorthcanoer

08/06/2022 12:18PM

Here's the link BWCA Saganaga Trip

Maureen

08/06/2022 05:53PM

Seagull Lake EP 54
First family BWCA trip

goatroti

05/30/2019 02:11PM

And then there's magic mushrooms. 4 hours of sh*ts and giggles. Shimmering, shiny, bright and annoying. I thought there must be some idiot on the sound board. What a racket. 4 hours I'll never get back.

plander

08/19/2022 12:52PM

I’ve used a couple different kinds over the years. This is what I have been using for the last 5+ years, I quite like it.

BWJ Map Pouch

jwartman59

08/20/2022 11:02AM

This Facebook group has many wood/canvas canoes for sale Facebook group

Arkansas Man

08/23/2022 08:16AM

Well over now... I think the last number I saw was 40,151...

Bruce

Jackfish

02/19/2024 12:45PM

Bump

MidwestFirecraft

05/14/2020 09:26PM

If national forests in CA are opening, they should open in MN.
Recreation areas to open

Jackfish

03/28/2020 06:49PM

oldgentleman

05/06/2023 12:18PM

I've done one back packing trip in the Rockies, in the Frank Church wilderness. It was a wonderful, spectacular trip. However, having experienced altitude sickness I have some idea of what emphasyma is like.
I'd do it again if I was able.

Frenchy19

02/27/2023 02:51PM

Dreaded double post; sorry, all!

05/23/2023 06:29PM

scat

09/08/2022 06:03AM

I found it fairly entertaining and it made me chuckle, so thanks for that. Maybe a moderator has a phobia against dirty underwear, poopy pampers in the fire grate notwithstanding...

Sorry, can't resist

dirty stinky poopy pampers
don't put them in the fire
dirty stinky poopy pampers
won't make the flames go higher
all you'll render is black smoke
and a reek that'll make you choke
dirty stinky poopy pampers
keep them out of your campfire pyre

Cheers, scat

Someday

08/21/2023 05:58PM

Someday

08/21/2023 06:57PM

Kampynkate

09/12/2022 10:47AM

In reference why campers carry guns? Because we can.

Jackfish

09/15/2022 08:19AM

Jackfish: "Quetico is calling you, Mike. :)"
oh.... I hear it loud and clear (pun somewhat intended.) I may reach out for some basic information.

Mike"
Any time, Mike.

Deeznuts

09/17/2022 06:58PM

As much as I love to promote BWCA whenever possible, i do think the interactive map through addle planner is easier to navigate. If you hit the explore button you can select any campsite and get the same feature as what is offered on this site without having to navigate to too many different pages

bobbernumber3

09/18/2022 07:36AM

Snide comment removed... trying to improve myself. It's hard!

Jackfish

08/03/2019 09:03PM

TechnoScout: "Here is an update on the design, and attachment method. Need to crimp the tails so that the clip does not come off.

BDB Rev. B "
For the record, that is not a Bungee Dealee Bob. It's a similar product and you can call it something else, but there's only one BDB and it's made by Old Scout Outdoor Products.

Maiingan

09/22/2022 06:10AM

GunflintTrailAngler: "Why do I get the feeling that if I posted the same pic with Trump’s face on it, it wouldn’t get deleted?

I do find it both humorous and hypocritical, that LNT is preached to the Nth degree here, but an exception is made in this particular instance. Just an observation."
Because there is a double standard with the ruling class. You don't need an IQ above room temperature to see it, ask the Pillow Guy. Toilet seat guy has an approval rating twice that of toilet paper guy.

I am sure if I am right the lemmings will delete this. If I am wrong the masses will post more examples.

Until we can be honest with ourselves and treat everybody the same with no double standards things will keep getting worse.

HighnDry

05/24/2020 02:18PM

Trying to clear out the open quotes...

spottedowl

06/03/2015 05:43PM

bogwalker - you da man! Were those solo trips? In and out, or did you go further than Bootleg? Did you have any memorable nature sightings?
Intense solitude. Sounds intriguing...

cossefoort22

06/04/2019 12:12PM

Savage Voyageur: "Fill the percolating pot with some freshly ground at home beans. Slowly percolate the coffee for about 10 min. "

Same!!

mutz

04/14/2020 09:37AM

I’m not sure that some of you couldn’t figure out how to turn any post into a political anti Trump rant.

inspector13

02/07/2020 10:13AM

I see what your posting problem is. I’m pretty sure it is what billconner supposed in the other thread. I don’t know the history behind it, but even the text of the other website you referred to will prevent the post from going through.

HowardSprague

09/13/2019 12:40PM

GSP: "missmolly: "uqme2: "I'm fairly certain that if that Dem cu*t who ran against Him would have hired Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohen and Steven Mnuchin (hah ha), we would be having a totally different conversation today."

uqme2 calls Hillary a cunt and nearly a day later, no one has objected. "

Not cool, word that should never be used in any company."

Yeah, my Mom always hated when I used that word, especially at the dinner table and during holidays.

sweetfancymoses

01/10/2015 11:57AM

Oops, I thought this was a thread for people who strongly disagree with Cliff Jacobson's opinions.

Jackfish

01/09/2023 03:46PM

Portercreek

10/26/2022 04:29PM

adam: "It is time to start the October 2022 Photo Contest, as well as, Trip Report Contest.

First an important note. If you see that you have won the contest or a prize in the contest, please email your address and choice of hat, shirt, or decals to me.

Monthly Theme: Sunsets and Sunrises in Canoe Country

Show us your sunset and sunrise pictures!

Prize: BWCA Hat, Shirt, or Decals.

Trip Report Contest: Any trip report published in a month is in the running for winning the prize. See the trip report contest page for more details - Trip Report Home Page

Thanks to Cooke Custom Sewing (CCS) for sponsoring the year-end prize!

Remember 1 entry per person, please. This helps us vote accurately.

Rules:
- You must be signed in as a member with a valid email address in your profile to enter (or win).
- You can only enter one photo per monthly contest. You can enter the same photo if it did not win with it prior.
- Photos don't need to be taken in the month of the photo contest. You can enter any photo you have taken which matches the theme.
- You must be the photographer of the photo and have the right to post it.
- Photos are entered in the contest by making a reply posting to this message and using the "Add a photo to this message" link during composition. This will allow you to upload a photo from your computer to the contest or allow you to select a photo that you have already loaded into your photo gallery on this site. If you want to enter your photo in another way, please contact us.
- Please describe in the message the location of the photo.
- Judging will be done by the www.bwca.com staff and moderators.
- A member may win once per year.
- Photos must be posted to this thread by 11:59pm on Oct 31st. Photos must be in jpg (jpeg) or png format and uploaded to this site.

Thank you for participating!"

blutofish1

10/04/2019 09:53AM

yogi59weedr: "Thanks Tony."Rod has been sent.

Jackfish

11/09/2022 10:47AM

HowardSprague: "

My latest background at work."
Howie, thanks for reviving a 12-year old thread! I must admit that your screen saver of a Fisher map would make my mind wander.

tumblehome

12/08/2022 06:46PM

Duplicate post

jillpine

07/22/2019 06:50AM

Worked best for us when we left canoe loaded, paddled when we could, lined when we couldn't.

BonzSF

12/19/2022 09:53AM

Yes it’s supposed to be Souris . I corrected it. Darn spellcheck

adam

01/07/2023 03:10PM

geotramper: "What is the difference between wildlife and fauna?"

Good catch, I meant flora. Edited

Frenchy19

01/10/2023 02:15PM

The thread title suggest a place where you could stay at a cabin and access the BW. Golden Eagle Lodge on the Gunflint is a very nice place on Flour Lake with really easy access from Flour to the BW. Also, Golden Eagle Lodge is the only place on Flour Lake-and that is unheard of on the Gunflint.

I have stayed at Golden Eagle a number of times over the years, and I recommend them without hesitation.

Golden Eagle

bobbernumber3

01/11/2023 10:30AM

bobbernumber3

01/11/2023 10:23AM

littlemarka: "See the attached photo of a sunset from an island campsite on the southwest end of Seagull Lake taken in September 2022 just after labor day and just before some rain moved in. Our favorite place to be!

"

Wow... I've never seen this in the winter!

TomT

03/28/2020 09:22AM

Wally13

03/10/2020 03:14PM

Diego

01/14/2023 08:06PM

scat: "Just booked cabin 5 at Rockwood for Sept 12-16 for me and the gf from the recommendations here. Took a bit of salesmanship but I finally broke thru and she is going. Oh man am I excited, thanks guys for the advice. Totally psyched!"

Lots of praise for Rockwood on here and up until last years experience, I would have agreed. New owners went out of there way to make myself and the group feel guilty about not renting canoes from them and it was a very awkward and buzzkill way to begin our trip. I hope they have improved their attitudes and are up to par with the previous owners this year.

scat

01/15/2023 12:13PM

Don’t think he’ll have a problem with the shark, my custom painted Spirit II.

That was in response to a previous post, since deleted. Didn’t see it was removed.

cyclones30

02/07/2020 10:27AM

Yeah, don't spell out PP....that's your problem.

Grandma L

01/17/2023 03:51PM

oops - double post

missmolly

08/22/2019 11:19AM

I know that lake! Rather, I know lakes like it. I've fished dozens of northwestern Ontario lakes and the ones with stacks of walleyes in their teens (fifteen to eighteen inches) abound.

An aggressive bear that deep in the bush is something I've never encountered. LUCKILY! Those deep-in-the-bush bears tend to be fraidy cats, who bolt when they see you.

Say, I really admire the way you conducted yourself in this thread. You've got a helluva keel! NBD kept trying to tip you, but you sailed smoothly through all the chop.

When you looked into the water and saw those massive pike, you must have had a "Holy Sheet!" moment. My favorite fishing memories aren't of boating fish, but rather when you first see the beast beside your boat. I've had several muskies pull my canoe a few feet, but just seeing your fish for the first time, parallel parked beside the canoe, still and foreboding, is a Kodak moment I've never captured on film, but is high resolution in my head. I unhooked one musky at that hovered at least 12 inches under the water. It had such a thick back and I was grateful when my bucktail spinner wrenched free on the first try. How long was it? I don't have a clue. Long enough to rattle me.

NorthBranchdavidian

08/22/2019 11:24AM

Barehook - I've revised my comment in order to remove all doubt.

To answer your question, stop fishing at some point.

Here's where I'm at...I don't count fish beyond the obvious. What that means is respecting bag limits, how many a couple guys need for a meal, etc..

IMO when a person counts fish, and does their best to see how many they can catch, to me that is a greedy person. I feel people like this are suffering from a form of bloodlust. They are addicted to the idea of the catch more than the catch itself.
Of course with over zealous catching there are consequences such as mortality. But worse is the total lack of respect for their quarry. There is no more reverence, every fish is just one more number to brag about. I feel the same about people who score deer antlers. "And the rack green scored..." You can hardly see a deer pic or article anymore without those words in the caption. No respect for the deer.

When I've been fortunate enough to enjoy crazy good fishing I've done things to up the challenge factor such as increase the size of the plastics or try to be successful with obscure tackle. Even with that at some point my conscience kicks-in and tells me to stop. Not because I'm killing too many fish, but because it feels like the right thing to do.

Jackfish

04/04/2023 02:11PM

jeroldharter

07/06/2015 08:47AM

How was the food?

I went on one trip completely outfitted, my first trip. The gear was average I would say but the food was very good.

My advice is to ship your gear in advance to the outfitter. You don't want lost luggage to ruin a trip. I use all dehydrated food so I would ship the food as well. Pack some packing tape in the box so you can easily repack to ship it back to yourself - or take as a checked bag on the flight.

Rent the canoe and hire transportation from the outfitter.

h20

10/04/2019 04:39PM

Mine is Jamaican rum with Wisconsin apple cider.

Zwater

01/18/2020 11:24AM

Heidi

08/25/2019 08:57PM

Wally13

03/10/2020 03:17PM

Sorry having photo link issue.

montanapaddler

03/08/2019 11:24PM

OnX Maps has all the portages and campsites without too many major errors. I think you do have to pay for the offline map feature. If you're a hunter it's a great app to have. I download the maps and turn my phone off and keep it along as a backup, especially if I'm bushwacking since I can turn the phone on and take a compass bearing off the screen if I were to somehow get hopelessly lost.

nctry

10/13/2015 10:08PM

That kind of hunting isn't my thing, but I don't condemn him with the little bit of facts I've seen. I don't listen to the media to much nowadays. I'll trust the authorities can handle this and will know what is legal and common practice. I'd hang the guides before this guy with what I know. Personally, I would get more enjoyment from pictures than a mount... but that's just me. Does anyone ever wonder or ask how all the mounts at Cabela's were taken? Most people just enjoy them without thinking about it.

minnmike

07/23/2019 11:16AM

Bushpilot: "!!!!!!!! BEWARE THIS IS NOT TRUE !!!!!!!!!!!!

minnmike: " Twin Metals announced on July 18th they will not be dry stacking. Instead will have a 2.6 Billion Ton tailing pond in the BWCA watershed. Look it up"

I will never be on a side that is not honest. At first I was on the fence about the twin metals mine. But after much research I change my mine. A girl from the friends of the boundary waters told me she would like to change the kind of people that live in Ely. Make it a place for retired doctors, lawyers,etc…. The working class would be professional online type of workers. She is from New York city and her parents own a place in northern MN. Becky Rom of the friends of the bw said she will change Ely 1 funeral at a time. TGO comes to mind. RIP The only way to get ride of the beer drinking Iron Ranges.

ELY— Twin Metals Minnesota announced on Thursday July 18 that it plans to use a more modern form of tailings storage than has been permitted for the proposed PolyMet Mine near Hoyt Lakes.
Known as the dry stack method, the new approach to tailings storage would eliminate the need for a tailings pond and large dam, reducing the risk of dam failure. According to a Twin Metals press statement, dry stack tailings storage has been used successfully in four mines in the northern United States and Canada with similar climates to Minnesota and has also been permitted at two mines in the western U.S.

Source the very left leaning liberal timber jay newspaper. "

Sorry, I was wrong and willing to admit it. I received bad info. Dry stacking is what they announced, but they are moving into the BWCA watershed. Dry stacking is still prone to being blown into the air when conditions are dry and leaching into the ground when snow melts or it rains.

CampSnkRpr

06/17/2019 10:02AM

Testing...

Trip Report

Paddle Planner

I am having an issue when trying to post in a different thread. It says there is an error and I have links in my post that are not allowed. What is the issue? I even removed all the links and tried to post just the text and it still says there are links that are not allowed. Any help would be appreciated.

bri

06/17/2019 11:10AM

12x12 CCS here, room for 3 dads + 3 daughters.

hobbydog

03/08/2020 12:17PM

Very sad news. He will be missed.

CampSnkRpr

06/18/2019 08:30AM

inspector13: "
I'm pretty sure the issue is in posting your second link. I'm very surprised it worked in this thread."

Yep, that was it. Once I removed the words it went through, there wasnt even a link inserted anymore - just the words in my post was enough to stop it.

Is it a competing site or something? I was not aware of that, my bad there, but thanks for letting me know.

mutz

05/17/2020 11:54AM

If you are concerned about bringing the China virus to the BWCA, you are far more likely to have been exposed in metro areas (twin cities) than in rural areas. Following this line of thought if you live in rural Areas of surrounding states where there are less cases go on your trip, if you live in a bigger city, metro area of Minnesota or surrounding states stay home.

jillpine

05/16/2020 05:14PM

A1t2o

05/07/2020 11:34AM

Just going to point out that flattening the curve does save lives. The issue in New York was that the healthcare system was overwhelmed and people who could have been saved with medical assistance did not get it. Once we get to the point where we have flattened the curve enough for the healthcare system to have enough capacity to save everyone that can be saved, the only reason to remain closed would be to wait for a vaccine. Seeing as that is not coming any time soon, it does not make sense to remain closed. So up until now the Stay at Home order made sense, moving forward not so much.

I am not confident that Walz will be opening anytime soon. He wants to look like the good guy and talk about the lives he's saved. Economic and mental wellbeing doesn't seem to be a priority.

Jackfish

03/03/2020 09:22AM

Frenchy19

05/28/2023 08:28AM

You might want to list a price.

Maiingan

01/23/2023 11:15AM

HawgHunter

08/22/2019 12:32PM

NorthBranchdavidian: "...

....To answer your question, stop fishing at some point. ....

"

..."at some point". What is that "point"? How many fish? When does one cross the threshold of "too many"? Really, this is the core issue. You think barehook is guilty of an ethical violation for catch/releasing beyond some (undefined) magic number. What is it?

Jackfish

06/20/2019 10:46AM

First of all, welcome to the board! :)

Tying down? As in tying your packs into the canoe so they stay with the boat if you capsize?

Don't do that.

Just put your packs in the canoe and go. Having to tie and untie your packs at every portage is a pain in the rear and an unnecessary time waster. If you have packs lined with large contractor-type plastic garbage bags or you have other similar "dry bags", etc., they'll float until next week.

Keep the open side up and don't paddle whitewater or take other similar risks in the wilderness and you should be fine.

Maiingan

01/27/2023 06:48AM

Anyone know how this works? Twin Metals and Teck Mining have spent $1,000,000,000.00 on drilling, prospecting, mining leases, etc.... Does the Biden give them the finger and say tuff shit you are out the money? Do the companies get reimbursed?

If someone in the private sector did that they would be jailed for theft by swindle.

tumblehome

01/26/2023 06:53PM

Well since nobody replied:

I haven’t been to the western end of Beaverhouse in 20 years. When we came out of Quetico and camped on Beaverhouse on our last day, we basically bushwhacked an old campsite. I don’t remember the details but I remember we had to make a camp. And that would tell me that there were no campsites to be found.

I wouldn’t make a camp if I could find one first. I know for certain that it wasn’t because other sites were in use. That part of the lake does not receive much traffic.

The unnamed other site might have sites on their maps. I don’t know.

Enjoy your trip! If you make it Wosely creek, it’s sort a mess and there are numerous beaver damns so plan for slow travel! Beautiful area though. Not used often.
Tom

plander

01/26/2023 07:23PM

Here’s a map of that area. It’s from the website that can’t be named here. The black triangles are campsites with no info - and maybe no longer identifiable as a campsite.

let’s go

01/28/2023 05:02PM

I have 10 day use motor permits to basswood via pp. $50 each and $50 for the ID’s needed to pick them up from permit issuing station.

1JimD

10/08/2019 07:35PM

Jackfish

02/01/2023 09:43AM

Jackfish

02/13/2023 03:52PM

Hey PreacherDave... you should post this in the Items for Sale or Wanted Forum. If you'd like, I can just move this post to that forum. Just want to make sure you don't think someone deleted it.

timf1981

02/13/2023 02:49PM

What options did you find still available for
Getting getting a ride to Stanton bay form French.
Then paddling back out to French?
How di

Jackfish

02/14/2023 10:56PM

MidwestFirecraft

02/15/2023 10:18AM

rdmarr

06/23/2019 02:34PM

HELP, I cant seem to figure out how to post direct links to videos.
they are on my channel (Richard Marr)(Quetico)

preacherdave

01/06/2024 04:11PM

Spartan2

02/18/2023 03:18PM

Dreaded double post. Sorry.

baarsofia42

09/18/2023 01:59AM

It seems like it is a phone grip! By the way Happy Belated Birthday Adam and sending you something special like below

bjager

05/03/2020 11:11PM

Should probably just do away with the boundary waters in general. cut down all the trees so that there’s nothing left to burn, no more health hazards or fire hazards, pump out the lakes and no one can drown, then cover everything with 25 inches of antibacterial foam padding and pass a new law requiring the use helmets with attached respirators. Just out of interest I would like to know how many people have died or have had health complications due to a boundary waters fire that was started by a camp/cook fire, and compare the statistics to that of deaths and health problems caused by the use of in home electric or gas stoves in surrounding areas. At this point with so many rules and regulations I’m starting to think mining doesn’t sound so bad anymore.

Jackfish

09/26/2019 02:23PM

HowardSprague: "

"
But--- but those colors!!"
Kind of gives the canoe a look of class, doesn't it? :)

Jackfish

06/25/2019 10:10PM

KarlBAndersen1: "airmorse: "Yes. We fish until we have enough to eat then after that its catch and release."
Of course. Pretty simple."
Yep... what ^^^they^^^ said.

We eat a walleye meal every day. All invitees are in the 15-16” range. Perfect.

mooseplums

10/06/2016 12:18PM

quote awbrown: "Had a girl friend once who had a butterfly tattoo on her breast. It now looks like a blue heron."

Funny :)

old_salt

01/27/2017 10:40PM

scat

10/31/2019 02:08PM

WhiteWolf

05/04/2020 06:08AM

yellowcanoe

11/12/2016 08:49AM

Riley's Bait

Jackfish

05/07/2020 12:56PM

Hi Mndorf... welcome to the board! You’ll find lots a great paddlers sharing information about canoe country. Have fun!

We have a forum for folks looking to buy or sell gear. I’ll move your post there after you see this.

Joke0602

04/15/2020 11:35AM

The Direwolf Arya, on Sag near American Point, spring 2019.

Jackfish

10/04/2019 04:58PM

Ooooo, that sounds good. Warmed?

blutofish1

12/05/2019 05:24PM

Savage Voyageur: "I use a Ken Onion Work Sharp Knife sharpener. It uses 5 different grit belts to sharpen. It has various angles and speeds. I get mine razor shaving sharp. On a resent trip to Ontario I filleted about 35 Walleye. After I got home I looked at the edge, still sharp. I’ve tried many systems and this one is great. You need to buy new belts after about 20 knives that you sharpen, about $10 for 5 belts. The tool costs about $130-149.

I sharpened all the kitchen knives in the house for my wife. I told her that these are now extremely sharp so be careful. About a month later we were getting stitches in her finger. You will love this thing.

It takes about 5-10 minutes the first time you sharpen a knife but after that it’s about a minute to get back to razor sharp. This is because you have already established the angle and you are just touching up the edge. Ken Onion Work Sharp "
Does this have to be bolted to a table?

yogi59weedr

11/06/2019 07:30PM

deerfoot

12/04/2019 11:29PM

sorry - double post.

Hawbakers

11/16/2019 07:26AM

Hey Kari! Can you delete this post please. I can no longer edit it. No interest in these boots. Thank you.

Ragged

12/06/2019 06:58AM

double post

DownStrm

11/18/2019 09:52PM

LittoralZone

11/19/2019 11:53AM

Still have it. Make me an offer...

kbad

12/12/2019 11:48AM

double post

kbad

12/12/2019 11:47AM

thanks for the input.

adam

02/28/2019 06:00PM

top

09/12/2017 04:55PM

kbad

12/12/2019 11:48AM

Thank you for your input. These will be specifically for canoeing. I don't do any backpacking trips, If I take a trip I will be on the water. I also have a internal fram backback that I used to use in the smoky mountains.

gravelroad

12/15/2019 08:15PM

(Deleted duplicate.)

butthead

12/16/2019 12:08PM

"Should people REALLY be putting up links to Amazon here?"

Adding a link for the sake of description is fine. I never have a problem with that.

butthead

MidwestFirecraft

12/25/2019 08:55AM

e-mail sent.

missmolly

12/28/2019 04:08PM

Spartan2: "And on another note, the B1G is now 3 for 3. Penn State handled Memphis handily. Another fun game to watch.

I will root for the Big Ten teams in their bowl games. Difficult for me to root for U of Michigan, but I will try my best. Always loyal to the Big Ten."

We're a creepy 3-0!

scat

12/28/2019 04:42PM

Watching sports is merely entertainment. I don’t get emotionally involved. I played my share and that was enough for me. I don’t live and die because our qb stinks. I watch the Bears games and college occasionally and do a bit of arm chair analyzing. I do appreciate good players and great plays. But look at this. Some of these big time college teams have like 110 guys on the team. One kicker kicks off, another kicks the short field goals, and a third kicks the long field goals. All on ‘scholarship’. Ridiculous. I used to snap for punts and field goals, so I’m willing to admit my view on things may remain upside down. So be it. Did enjoy hitting people real hard tho. Especially those Iowa boys. That was fun. Go back to your cornfield laddie. Between these white lines, you have nowhere to hide.

scat

12/28/2019 12:32PM

2 college teams I loathe almost as much as the Packers. Iowa and Michigan State. I’ve said this before, Michigan State is the poster child for the farce that big time college athletics is. Student athletes. Gimme a break. Take out the student part, insert pro, and you are closer to the truth. I would bet 90% of them never even bother to buy a textbook. Iowa, geez, I went to St. Ambrose in Davenport my first two years, played football and baseball, and all the people from Iowa talk about is the Hawkeyes, the Hawkeyes. Don’t have a pro team to root for so they way overdo it. Got old real quick. Graduated from U of Illinois, I knew guys who played there from my high school team and they had ‘tutors’ who did their papers for them anytime they wanted. It was a very tough school, so I could see why, with all the commitment they expect you to make to playing the sport. MSU, prob easier than my grade school. The guys on the b-ball team as a whole are older and have more elaborate and expensive tattoos than your average NBA squad. Paid to play, in reality, so the university can profit.

That is my rant. I feel better now. Kinda got me fired up, which I suppose is odd. Not real fond of Ohio State or Michigan either, sorry missmolly. Have no real allegiance to U of I as well. I guess I just find people who fawn over these so called student athletes a bit creepy. Just sayin...

Cheers, scat

Zwater

12/28/2019 01:55PM

I could rebut this, but I will wait for the response from Spartan1 and 2 on this one:)

Spartan2

12/28/2019 03:55PM

Oh, I wouldn't give these comments enough time to even type a rebuttal. He knows nothing about what he is saying, but he keeps saying it over, and over, and over.

Nope, not gonna go there. I know the real story and that's enough.

scat

12/28/2019 04:13PM

Oh my gosh, and Penn State. Fans blindly supporting a coach who hid evidence of his assistant who raped countless young boys. That is the very essence of creepy. The big ten, with twelve teams in it. Oh well, what do you expect. Big time college athletics, using ‘amateur’athletes so the bigwigs get fat on it. College coaches making tens of millions of dollars a year. Something wrong there. But, I’ll shut up now. I’m sure I ruffled some feathers. Enjoy the games. I’ll try to watch them today, yawn. Actually hoping the buckeyes do ok. Don’t like them southern teams either.

yogi59weedr

12/28/2019 04:31PM

Scat....
You know why Iowa doesn't have a professional football team?

Cause Chicago would want one too.
Bahahahahaha.

Zwater

12/28/2019 04:27PM

Spartan2: "Oh, I wouldn't give these comments enough time to even type a rebuttal. He knows nothing about what he is saying, but he keeps saying it over, and over, and over.

Nope, not gonna go there. I know the real story and that's enough. "

I will:)
I had a full scholarship for Hockey. It was tough for Student-Athletes with all that we were committed too. Workouts at 5am, practice at 4PM and games on Friday and Saturdays. Then writing a 15 page paper on Sunday after getting back to campus at 4am. Cramming for a test while at away games in the hotel. I had to change my major of Wildlife Biology because practices were during labs. Don't get me wrong I loved the experience, but it was tough.

Also, MSU is a great college! I know a few people who went there, and are very successful in their careers. It is a great academic and sports school!

Also, no one took my tests or wrote my papers.

EyDerBeb

03/29/2017 10:43PM

Ill definitely be checking these out on my maps/paddle planer when i get home from work. Thank you everyone for your input! Definitely looking forward to getting back out there its been way too long

scat

12/28/2019 05:55PM

Zwater- I appreciate your perspective. I roomed with two brothers who played hockey at U of I. It was more of a low key sport there, MSU is prob more intense, but regardless it isn’t a revenue producing sport for the university. I played with guys who got paid to do ‘snow removal’ at a sponsors’s house. The only snow removal they did was piss on the sidewalk while outside smoking a joint at a party at some nice off campus house sponsored by an alumnus. Girls, booze, drugs, anything you want. I remember one of the guys I played with in high school was actually kind of embarrassed by it all, being good Catholic boys you know. Trust me, they had people to do the school work for them. Like you said, it is too much to do it all. I always thought you can only do three things. The demands of the sport, the demanding school work, and U of I is really rough that way, a social life, and what is left of your day. Something has to give. For most guys it is the schoolwork and take the easy way out. You don’t want to crap out on your team and lose your free ride. I’ve seen it. That is why I’m jaded on the whole thing. It’s a farce, using young people so the fat cats get fatter.

That said, Cheers! scat

Mndorf

05/07/2020 02:00PM

Lol, thank you! I thought I put it in the right spot. Sorry!

Mndorf

05/07/2020 02:01PM

Ah, I see it now. Thx! My bad.

cyclones30

03/10/2020 08:02PM

Yep, post it in the For Sale/Wanted section. People do it daily...

I'm interested to hear what "other" gear you have like the stoves, etc.

enviro-lawyer

08/07/2019 08:30AM

walleyevision: "Harv: "Or you could go to www.cwcs.org and sign up / donate."

That is a pro mining website....no thanks"

Common sense and anti mining don't go hand in hand. We need mining to live our lifestyles.

However the twin metals is a much better choice. With low sulfur ore and dry stacking there is not a lower environment risk mine site in the world. I know I do this stuff for a living. I also have spent much time updating our out dated pipe lines. We need these fuels and metals and can do it in a safe way. Show me a mining engineer or geologist that can give us a safer mining site than twin metals. Just though the people here would like some first hand info. We can have clean water and mining.

nooneuno

01/30/2020 09:49PM

nooneuno

01/30/2020 09:57PM

nooneuno: "Jackfish: "nooneuno: "I would almost rather see a billboard for a copper nickel mine..."
LOL... I’m glad you said “almost”. :)"”
Almost does indeed carry with it a wide buffer, yet leave no trace does not mean one should merely scatter your beer cans where no one can see them

yogi59weedr

07/01/2022 12:26PM

If a trail camera takes a picture, does that leave a trace.

barehook

08/21/2019 02:55PM

NorthBranchDavidian, here's what would convince me you aren't just trolling us with your biting, pithy, and (to me) snarky comments. This is a fishing blog. You appeared to take issue with the fact that I caught and released so many fish on a recent trip. Your concern was mortality of the released fish.

I asked you immediately what you suggested, then, for remediation. You never responded! No contribution from you to a 'discussion'. So here's one last chance to actually indicate you want a discussion. Meaning, what are you suggesting? Catch limits? Self-limitation on depths at which fish are caught? Barbless? Ban on fishing in BWCA? No bait? I might add, links to science which would support your statements about mortality rates would really be of interest as well. I don't accept your assertions about how many fish we 'killed'....what was that based on?

But if you just come back with another quick snark, then I'd hope the mods take appropriate action. This is a great board. In fact there is often quite pointed disagreement, but NOT in the tone and style you've brought. Good grief. All I wanted to do was to report on this fishing blog about a very successful trip, and share some methods...and then you jumped in.

Goldenbadger

03/24/2018 06:00AM

We're doing the same trip late September. I've always used Canadian Border Outfitters for Moose Lake. Excellent people there. And they offer discounts on outfitting after Aug 15. I always take the tow if I'm going that far since I'm not a fan of paddling with motorboats. It's worth the $ to me. Check out their website and prices. Depending on what your renting and if you are planning on staying in bunk houses or cabins, prices actually do vary quite a bit from outfitter to outfitter. CBO

overthehill

03/24/2018 06:20AM

CBO here as well. Was drawn by their Spring discount on rental canoes and just didn't look elsewhere again. I have heard good things about Williams & Hall and LaTourells but tend to return to the familiar. In May; their canoe rental rate brought me there. They are right on the lake and have it all.

quark2222

04/19/2020 05:28PM

trailchief

03/31/2020 03:18PM

sorry, double post.

Jackfish

03/19/2020 09:24PM

smokingbunny

03/05/2020 01:40PM

https://www.eagleclaw.com/l2032-in-line-treble-replacement-hook

smokingbunny

03/05/2020 01:41PM

Sorry for the double post, didn't include the quote

https://www.eagleclaw.com/l2032-in-line-treble-replacement-hook

While I can't vouch for "most" you would be incorrect in your idea of trebles not being made in the US

https://www.jannsnetcraft.com/eagleclaw-fishing-hooks/

VMC makes a nice in line hook, but alas it is made in France. Owner makes one as well, but their hooks are made overseas too. I am not aware of a US made in line hook as most Americans seem to prefer treble hooks. I would venture to guess that most of the treble hooks that come on modern lures are not made in the US either. Now if we are talking about a standard jig hook, I have a lot of those that are US made."

Jimtheboatguy

01/12/2020 09:42PM

Beaverslide

04/29/2018 02:06PM

We added Idahoan-roasted garlic potatoes and called it Thanksgiving in a bowl.

Strokeofluck

05/17/2022 09:31AM

Bump

kjw

05/26/2020 06:08AM

Go to outdoorgearlab.com and look at their ratings for the devices. They are usually fairly accurate on ratings of different items. You might have to do a search when you hit the site but they rated lots of solar charging devices.

https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/camping-and-hiking/best-solar-charger

LesliesDad

05/29/2020 07:21AM

It was on the island on the left. Please don't mention this to the IRS.

nctry

08/28/2019 06:18AM

I have to recheck my schedule... I want to see the challenge people off... I may do some camping along the way too. My daughter is leaving before that to go back to Washington so I’m I’ll be kinda ready to go bummin for a bit.

wetcanoedog

01/04/2020 11:25PM

sort of here but it's all plan B for now.car camping and wandering around the
SNF telling myself this is what I would see if I got out of the canoe and looked
around the woods.
a few forest roads lead to possible lakes I could get into and camp without
having to portage or paddle to far.
good to see the site is still going strong..

lung

04/20/2020 01:24PM

bwcadan

04/01/2020 11:23AM

Dreaded double post

Solotrip7Day

02/27/2020 12:20PM

Thanks

Solotrip7Day

02/27/2020 12:22PM

Thanks

Jackfish

02/17/2020 11:21PM

Did you have a question? Looking for opinions on your upgrade?

Tomcat

10/09/2018 06:01AM

housty9

08/02/2018 10:35AM

housty9

08/02/2018 10:45AM

Bearpath9

01/06/2020 08:56AM

Bearpath9: "Well, I have two lanterns, one Coleman 5114 that is probably from the late 70's or early 80's (I looked it up), and another that has no identifying marks, except 0200 stamped on the plate above where you attach the propane bottle. Probably Coleman, I have had it for years. Still use both of 'em. Also a Coleman suitcase stove, model 425F, which I probably bought in the early to mid 80's. It uses white gas, not propane. Since we will be base camping this season, it will come with, along with one of the lanterns. The only repairs I have made were on the stove. It developed a leak in the fuel valve, which I fixed with a little pipe tape wrapped around the threads."

Oh, I forgot the sleeping bag we bought in Yellowstone in the late 90's that I still use. The wife didn't think it would get cold there in July, so we didn't pack one, despite my assurances that it does get cold. Got below freezing, so I was at the general store before it opened that morning.

Frenchy19

01/20/2020 07:56PM

You should post this on the for sale forum on this site.

Jackfish

01/20/2020 09:14PM

Hey Carp.... I'll be moving this to the Items for Sale or Wanted Forum but I'll leave it here until you comment so you know where it went.

lcarp

01/20/2020 09:18PM

OK. Thanks. I am new and trying to figure things out regarding this site.

pitster

01/29/2020 09:26AM

24 minutes and all Day use Motor are dust in the wind for Basswood.

billconner

08/15/2018 02:33PM

Smittys? Sold?

PeaceFrog

02/11/2022 06:19AM

Email sent. Look forward to the 20th. Thank for doing this.

PF

TuscaroraBorealis

11/08/2021 11:58AM

JWilder

12/03/2021 08:50PM

Politics man. F&$@!?# politics!

JW

billconner

10/08/2021 06:34PM

flying moose tats?

schweady

01/26/2022 09:32AM

the dreaded dbl-post...

yogi59weedr

09/25/2021 11:48PM

jdddl8

09/21/2021 06:35PM

I agree. Without the usage of our recreational facilities by our friends from the south Northern Ontario would not be economically viable. And most of visitors especially those who paddle are definitely welcome. Q would be a totally different park without enough revenue to keep the portages manageable and the campsites clean.

Zoe

09/21/2021 10:50AM

bobbernumber3: " I have a regular tripping partner who wants to invite himself on my planned solo trip. I keep explaining that solo means "alone".

I think everyone understands the concept of "group solo", but it's not really a solo trip."
I made a trip during which I paddled my own canoe and camped by myself however I saw and spoke to other people along the way so was it a solo trip? An estimated 150,000 people visit the BWCA annually so was I ever really solo? If so than I have mad several solo trips to the mall. Would bringing a dog or phone be considered solo?

I think that I understood the OP's concept of group solo. Clearly solo is open to interpretation. Enjoy your trip.

Freeleo1

08/31/2021 09:54PM

When they are fully staffed Canadian Border Outfitters will do a van tow as far as Little Indian Sioux or a boat tow on Moose to Prairie Portage, or Basswood, and Birch or Splash.

Jackfish

09/14/2021 02:08PM

Reynaulto, you should share your location.

By the way, very nice trailer. Wish I was in the market for one.

thlipsis29

06/14/2020 11:11AM

Ended up listing this pack, and it is sold.

Birdknowsbest

09/06/2021 11:40PM

Jackfish: "Hey Bird... please post your links using the Add a link to this message function. Also note that you have an edit button that allows you to make corrections."

Done. My bad

Jackfish

06/15/2020 03:32PM

Lee, I'm going to move this to the "Other canoe camping locations" forum, ok? Just wanted you to know where it went.

ZaraSp00k

06/15/2020 11:56AM

justpaddlin:

I'm an engineer with several areas of expertise. I've also managed engineers and at same time been deeply involved with the "real work". I've also taught...both engineering and non-engineering subjects. Oh, I participated in a demonstration today.

I find your generalizations and stereotypes offensive, or maybe just sad."
Dr. McCoy, so nice to hear how you feel.

ZaraSp00k

06/15/2020 12:01PM

If I had more time I’d give a link to a thread riverrunner and I had opposing views that ran several pages, you see people can disagree and still have a conversation. Neither of us told how we felt, we stuck to facts , no name calling although we did poke fun at each other, for example he mentioned that his rifle scope cost more than all of my firearms combined. I was not offended, and it didn’t appear he was offended by any of my jabs either.
That’s what adults do, make a rational argument and stick to the facts.
Children and people of high hysteria engage in name calling and pout to the moderators.
Or people lacking a rational argument.

Carriekamharris

06/16/2020 03:31AM

PatrickE

06/15/2020 06:33PM

ZaraSp00k: "If I had more time I’d give a link to a thread riverrunner and I had opposing views that ran several pages, you see people can disagree and still have a conversation. Neither of us told how we felt, we stuck to facts , no name calling although we did poke fun at each other, for example he mentioned that his rifle scope cost more than all of my firearms combined. I was not offended, and it didn’t appear he was offended by any of my jabs either.
That’s what adults do, make a rational argument and stick to the facts.
Children and people of high hysteria engage in name calling and pout to the moderators.
Or people lacking a rational argument.
"

The more I read your responses...

Jackfish

03/28/2022 09:32PM

Hi Kelly... welcome to BWCA.com! Since Fred Lake is in Quetico, you may want to edit your post and add some more details. Just a suggestion. I'm in Appleton and wish I could join you.

VoyageurNorth

09/01/2021 09:06PM

Received this news release tonight from Forest Service

Forest Service News Release
Media contact: Joanna Gilkeson
(218) 349-5137
Joanna.Gilkeson@usda.gov
www.fs.usda.gov/superior

Superior National Forest reopens portions of the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness and National Forest lands

Closures remain in place for the Greenwood, John Ek and Whelp fires
Duluth, Minn., September 1, 2021 — The Superior National Forest is reopening some areas of the Forest, including the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness, given recent rains, cooling temperatures and progress made on active fire. However, certain closures will remain in place where active fires remain on the landscape.

The Forest is lifting the full closure of the BWCAW, the Crooked Lake closure near the fires in Canada. The Forest is slightly modifying closure maps for the Greenwood Fire, and the John Ek and Whelp Fires. The closure of Forest Service land at the Upper Gunflint Trail remains in place.
“We’re thrilled to reopen some of our public lands to visitors. The drought is not over but we’re starting to see more rain and lower temperatures. These conditions moderate fire activity and lessen the chance of new fires showing up,” said Connie Cummins, supervisor for the Superior National Forest.
“After talking with our fire experts about the latest data and weather conditions, we believe we have the capacity to manage the potential risk to the public of wildfire in some portions of the Forest,” Cummins added.
What this announcement means for visitors:
o Full BWCAW Closure is being lifted: Portions of the BWCAW will reopen, effective September 4, including the Crooked Lake area near Canada.
? If you had a previously reserved permit for after September 4, your permit is still valid.
? Available quota permits will be live for reservation on Thursday, September 2 at 12:00 PM on Recreation.gov.

o BWCAW Closure due to John Ek & Whelp fires: A new closure area has been drawn for the John Ek and Whelp Fires: Seagull Lake EP #54/#54A/L, Saganaga Lake EP #55/#55A/J, Missing Link Lake EP #51, Brant Lake EP #52, Cross Bay Lake EP #50, Kekakbic Trail EP #56, Skipper and Portage Lakes EP #49, Kawishiwi Lake EP #37, Hog Creek EP #36.

pswith5

09/02/2021 05:10AM

I am very excited to be able to take my trip. But, ( and this may be picking nits) Forest service says we are opening up "OUR public " lands. Shouldn't they say "your public lands" ?

mychurchmyhome

07/02/2020 01:43PM

adam: "
I would file a complaint with the Forest Service. If it was a FS campsite and it is occupied, it is not acceptable for another group to be dropped off on your campsite. The outfitter should get a warning."

mychurchmyhome

07/02/2020 01:44PM

nofish: "i would for sure have a chat with the FS about the tow operator. It would be interesting to hear what they have to say. If they say its normal procedure and campers at those drop off sites are to expect this then you know for future reference. In the more likely event that they say tow operators should not be dropping people at occupied sites then you know the tow operator was wrong and is worthy of being reported for such behavior.

Either way its worth following up on.
"

08/26/2021 07:38AM

missmolly

07/13/2020 11:04AM

Pinetree: "missmolly: "mgraber: "All I can say is I will NEVER return to the BWCA after this year, it is Quetico or I will find something else to do. What we saw and experienced this year was beyond what I could have imagined. Trashy, crowded, and loud. Should have brought an extra backpack to pack out all of the trash. We were NOT near entry point lakes. It is sad, but I am forever done with the BWCA. I said that a number of years ago, but felt I had no choice this year."
It's a pity there aren't parks and wilderness areas for slobs, all pre-mutilated and pre-trashed, and pristine parks for those who serve as caretakers of the natural world. "
There is, there called garbage dumps, maybe they could create camping stalls and recreation right there for them."

They could also camp in India. I'll buy their tickets! One way, of course.

AdamXChicago

07/13/2020 01:35PM

Aldy1: "missmolly: "Pinetree: "missmolly: "mgraber: "All I can say is I will NEVER return to the BWCA after this year, it is Quetico or I will find something else to do. What we saw and experienced this year was beyond what I could have imagined. Trashy, crowded, and loud. Should have brought an extra backpack to pack out all of the trash. We were NOT near entry point lakes. It is sad, but I am forever done with the BWCA. I said that a number of years ago, but felt I had no choice this year."
It's a pity there aren't parks and wilderness areas for slobs, all pre-mutilated and pre-trashed, and pristine parks for those who serve as caretakers of the natural world. "
There is, there called garbage dumps, maybe they could create camping stalls and recreation right there for them."

They could also camp in India. I'll buy their tickets! One way, of course. "

This is pretty racist. Uncalled for, Molly. "
Here we go...
Please spare us your cancel culture drivel

Aldy1

07/13/2020 12:42PM

missmolly: "Pinetree: "missmolly: "mgraber: "All I can say is I will NEVER return to the BWCA after this year, it is Quetico or I will find something else to do. What we saw and experienced this year was beyond what I could have imagined. Trashy, crowded, and loud. Should have brought an extra backpack to pack out all of the trash. We were NOT near entry point lakes. It is sad, but I am forever done with the BWCA. I said that a number of years ago, but felt I had no choice this year."
It's a pity there aren't parks and wilderness areas for slobs, all pre-mutilated and pre-trashed, and pristine parks for those who serve as caretakers of the natural world. "
There is, there called garbage dumps, maybe they could create camping stalls and recreation right there for them."

They could also camp in India. I'll buy their tickets! One way, of course. "

This is pretty racist. Uncalled for, Molly.

SummerSkin

07/13/2020 10:34PM

aruthenb: "Rose Lake overlook taken June 22, 2020

"Gorgeous

ryan72

07/27/2020 04:15PM

Minnesotian: "ryan72: "Just received my maps. Thanks for offering them.

When looking at the fishing table, how do I interpret the clarity figures? Do larger numbers mean better clarity? What do the values represent?"
Yep, higher number means better water clarity. For example, Clearwater Lake off the Gunflint Trail, is at 30, whereas Basswood is at 8.5.

I assume the values reflect readings from a Secchi Disk. A Secchi Disk is a all-white metal plate they lower into the water and record the depth as to which it disappears. So, on Clearwater it is 30 feet. On Basswood it is 8.5 feet.
For more education:
Water Quality Parameters

Tools to measure water clarity "
thanks! I thought it was likely a secchi disk reading but I scoured the maps front and back and couldn't find it to be sure.

PuffinGin

07/28/2020 08:58AM

mooseplums: "Henson Lake

"

Awesome photo, Mooseplums!

mrwizard

08/14/2020 03:17PM

sylvesterii

08/01/2020 02:02PM

Ausable: "

At the Thomas-Fraser narrows, looking north, June 2018. "

One of my favorite spots in the BWCA!

lean

08/02/2020 08:45PM

pswith5: "Speaking of duct tape; a tip i learned here, wrap an old expired credit card with duct tape. Packs smaller than regular roll of duct tape."i raped about 4 feetof ducktape around back up lighter

lean

08/02/2020 08:45PM

flytyer

08/05/2020 07:37AM

Please keep politics out of this discussion. Damage can be done by both political sides.

Chieflonewatie

08/05/2020 08:25AM

Yes pleas keep your political BS of this site.

missmolly

08/05/2020 09:51AM

Hey, I agree with Mutz! I can enjoy not a political tussle or ten, but not in Listening Post.

Chieflonewatie

08/05/2020 12:37PM

It went a lot further than talking about a banner.

Savage Voyageur

08/05/2020 07:54AM

This is not a political forum. There are plenty of other places to voice your opinions. Moderators please start moderating.

Wharfrat63

08/05/2020 08:44AM

+1 on the politics...

brownbearE

08/04/2020 09:40PM

Coincidentally, with all the campsites being quickly taken, we considered this exact spot on FourTown lake. I know its the same camp spot shown in the picture on the right as I recognize the sheet metal piece on the back of the fire grate. we removed a glove and three burned pots and pans. Sheet metal would kill our boat. More trash still there. By the end of our stay in the bwca we had half a contractor bag of garbage from campsites and portages. On the three portages into Fourtown from Mudro 4 items left behind. Good quality equipment dropped along the trail and not retrieved. Lesson #1: If you're too tired to get your $100 rubber fish net, then don't paddle the BWCA. Do us a favor and go golfing outside of Fort Worth.

What in the world is going on? People are soooooo distraught about politics and our non-leadership "Trump" and covd and job loss that they are taking it out on nature. I thought that ecological ignorance was stamped out in the early 80's but i guess losers have offspring and well there ya have it. I hope and pray to GOD all you losers are reading this. You know who you and I am poking my finger at your chest if you pollute the BWCA by not abiding by low impact camping rules. What are ya 14? Just like the guy you voted for i surmise. Figure it out already.

As for the rest of us who care, we need to re-educate the naïve who are traveling from everywhere else about what "low impact" means. Forest Service: make first-timers take a test and if they don't pass they don't paddle.

And while were on the subject of "trash" the clowns that posted the 6 x 10 Trump banner on the front of your camp spot, don't come back. STAY AWAY. YOUR POLITICS ARE NOT WELCOME IN THE WOODS. I've never seen it before and never want to see it again out there. Removing ourselves from the horror in the oval office is the reason we paddle the BWCA. How F'in insulting. Stay south of your Mason Dixon line with that "trash". If your leader (not president) knew about the BWCA he'd try to open it all up for mining. That you're even camping while supporting that three-ring circus of narcasim is a whole other subject and also means you completely don't get the big picture. Lesson #2: He doesn't believe in protecting nature. If i see that banner in there again i will consider it garbage and will destroy it. yeah yeah not while your with a side arm bla bla bla.....go play army while paddling the bayou.

Duckman

08/05/2020 08:23AM

brownbearE:
And while were on the subject of "trash" the clowns that posted the 6 x 10 Trump banner on the front of your camp spot, don't come back. STAY AWAY. YOUR POLITICS ARE NOT WELCOME IN THE WOODS. I've never seen it before and never want to see it again out there. Removing ourselves from the horror in the oval office is the reason we paddle the BWCA. How F'in insulting. Stay south of your Mason Dixon line with that "trash". If your leader (not president) knew about the BWCA he'd try to open it all up for mining. That you're even camping while supporting that three-ring circus of narcasim is a whole other subject and also means you completely don't get the big picture. Lesson #2: He doesn't believe in protecting nature. If i see that banner in there again i will consider it garbage and will destroy it. yeah yeah not while your with a side arm bla bla bla.....go play army while paddling the bayou. "

Let's keep politics out of bwca.com too.

Pinetree

08/05/2020 08:38AM

Duckman: "brownbearE:
And while were on the subject of "trash" the clowns that posted the 6 x 10 Trump banner on the front of your camp spot, don't come back. STAY AWAY. YOUR POLITICS ARE NOT WELCOME IN THE WOODS. I've never seen it before and never want to see it again out there. Removing ourselves from the horror in the oval office is the reason we paddle the BWCA. How F'in insulting. Stay south of your Mason Dixon line with that "trash". If your leader (not president) knew about the BWCA he'd try to open it all up for mining. That you're even camping while supporting that three-ring circus of narcasim is a whole other subject and also means you completely don't get the big picture. Lesson #2: He doesn't believe in protecting nature. If i see that banner in there again i will consider it garbage and will destroy it. yeah yeah not while your with a side arm bla bla bla.....go play army while paddling the bayou. "

Let's keep politics out of bwca.com too."

Part of his statement was Okay
His his mention of the political flag displayed and the reasoning that it was very anti BWCA policy and very upsetting to many. The flag and there attitude for displaying it was it would make many BWCA travelers just pack up and leave. It probably did cause a few people just say no more BWCA for me. I will leave it at that.

I could mention a similar instant but won't. Troubling times it is at present.

mutz

08/05/2020 09:19AM

brownbearE: "Coincidentally, with all the campsites being quickly taken, we considered this exact spot on FourTown lake. I know its the same camp spot shown in the picture on the right as I recognize the sheet metal piece on the back of the fire grate. we removed a glove and three burned pots and pans. Sheet metal would kill our boat. More trash still there. By the end of our stay in the bwca we had half a contractor bag of garbage from campsites and portages. On the three portages into Fourtown from Mudro 4 items left behind. Good quality equipment dropped along the trail and not retrieved. Lesson #1: If you're too tired to get your $100 rubber fish net, then don't paddle the BWCA. Do us a favor and go golfing outside of Fort Worth.

What in the world is going on? People are soooooo distraught about politics and our non-leadership "Trump" and covd and job loss that they are taking it out on nature. I thought that ecological ignorance was stamped out in the early 80's but i guess losers have offspring and well there ya have it. I hope and pray to GOD all you losers are reading this. You know who you and I am poking my finger at your chest if you pollute the BWCA by not abiding by low impact camping rules. What are ya 14? Just like the guy you voted for i surmise. Figure it out already.

As for the rest of us who care, we need to re-educate the naïve who are traveling from everywhere else about what "low impact" means. Forest Service: make first-timers take a test and if they don't pass they don't paddle.

And while were on the subject of "trash" the clowns that posted the 6 x 10 Trump banner on the front of your camp spot, don't come back. STAY AWAY. YOUR POLITICS ARE NOT WELCOME IN THE WOODS. I've never seen it before and never want to see it again out there. Removing ourselves from the horror in the oval office is the reason we paddle the BWCA. How F'in insulting. Stay south of your Mason Dixon line with that "trash". If your leader (not president) knew about the BWCA he'd try to open it all up for mining. That you're even camping while supporting that three-ring circus of narcasim is a whole other subject and also means you completely don't get the big picture. Lesson #2: He doesn't believe in protecting nature. If i see that banner in there again i will consider it garbage and will destroy it. yeah yeah not while your with a side arm bla bla bla.....go play army while paddling the bayou. "

MODERATORS Time to remove this, either politics are allowed or not. removing political posts has to go both ways. Can’t believe this guy will last long.

tumblehome

08/05/2020 12:22PM

I don't think brownbear said anything inappropriate. Why are we allowed to be constantly pushed into a corner and not finally push back? It really is time to start being vocal about the injustices on the wilderness. Not talking about it does not make it go away.

Brownbear is a new member and in time will refine his/her writing on the forum. Was it inappropriate to comment about the displeasure of a political banner on a campsite? I think not.

Tom

bwcamjh

08/05/2020 01:00PM

I wouldn't like to see a banner in the BWCA as well regardless if it said happy birthday, vote for my favorite idiot, or whatever. But I also don't need a political rant here either. There are plenty of other online venues for politics.

Spartan2

08/09/2020 07:55PM

Merino wool underwear (Icebreaker is my favorite brand) also the Icebreaker lightweight merino wool t-shirts are a good layer, too. Wool socks.

For bedtime we always kept a clean dry pair of wool socks and a set of silk longjohns that were just for sleeping, not for wearing during the day.

I had a zero-degree Big Agnes bag and was warm at night. I think Spartan1's bag was supposed to be good for 10 degrees.

Neoprene paddling gloves are good in winter and you need winter gloves for in camp, too. Wool hat.

The main thing that I didn't like about October was the short days. It seemed hard to get things settled and ready for sunset, which came very early.

It is possible to have beautiful days in October and also possible to have snow and ice.
We have never gone that late in October, but I would imagine all of the leaves will be off the deciduous trees by then.

Have fun!

fishonfishoff

02/21/2022 06:52AM

Thanks Adam, It was enjoyable.

TominMpls

08/17/2020 11:31AM

So how are they handling the "user fee deposit" refund on solo permits this year? In the past they always issued the refund when they issued the permit, but since the permits aren't really being issued I was a little surprised to see the deposit happen. Thoughts?

gshaw

08/17/2020 11:26AM

*** deleted - duplicate posting ***

VoyageurNorth

08/17/2020 05:43PM

To get your refund, you need to modify it just before your trip. Then print the new modified copy which will show it as a "one person" permit & you will see a refund for $16.00.

If you don't modify before the trip, you won't get any refund. Up to the permitee to make sure the permit reflects the correct number of people, both adult & youth.

Cleantaxidermy

03/14/2023 06:27PM

Hi I will like to sale my own
Write me on cleantaxidermy@hotmail.com for pics and price.
Thanks.

WhiteWolf

08/23/2020 01:27AM

Go with a darker color than caucasian ( non racist) jigs in darker water compared to clearer water. Same with twister tails. I like (Middle East version ) smoke and chartreuse color for water with less visibility. Save the whiter stuff for more clear water.

missmolly

08/23/2020 07:37AM

WhiteWolf: "Go with a darker color than caucasian ( non racist) jigs in darker water compared to clearer water. Same with twister tails. I like (Middle East version ) smoke and chartreuse color for water with less visibility. Save the whiter stuff for more clear water. "

Blech.

Jaywalker

09/01/2020 09:38PM

Nojagoffs

09/06/2020 01:55PM

Nojagoffs: "A week from now, we'll be fishing lakes in the Ester and Ashdick vicinity. I would greatly appreciate Local's advice regarding general fishing techniques (late Summer vs early Fall), temperatures, rain, etc. We are coming from Arizona and Chicago-area and not sure what weather forecast to believe. I was planning on lows near 40° and highs in mid-60's with rain at least part of most days. Has this summer been unseasonably warm, dry, etc? I'm bringing a variety of spoons (mainly chartreuse-orange-green in all sizes), spinnerbaits, swimbaits, Ned Rigs and tackle to make almost any type of setup. We're not specifically targeting any one species, simply trying to land some of good size. I'm also trying to decide if bringing an extra tarp is critical. We're planning on several long portages; therefore, weight is a factor. I'm interested in virtually any advice or tips people have. Thanks!"

... we're also bringing various diving jerkbaits.

WalleyeHunter24

09/07/2020 10:01PM

Professional advice: Go car camping and stay out of Minnesota and the BWCA.

Zwater

09/07/2020 06:44PM

Time to write another article.

Spartan2

09/15/2020 12:41PM

Delete double post, please.

Zwater

10/15/2020 08:11PM

missmolly: "I've caught lake trout, rainbows, brookies, and brown trout, but I've never understood why so many fishers love trout above all. Can someone help me see?"
Really? Kind of a ridiculous question. Catching a bluegill compared to catching a trout is a little different.

Zwater

10/16/2020 01:07PM

A1t2o: "Sorry, but I'm not seeing it with the sunfish. I think it is the body shape and how common they are. I go off of any dock and start catching sunfish, they are like pigeons or seagulls. It is similar to the difference between deer and moose. "
+1

MuskyMike

09/24/2020 08:02AM

Steve’s a piece of shit. I hope it burns down.

gkimball

09/24/2020 08:33AM

MuskyMike: "MuskyMike: "Steve’s a piece of shit. I hope it burns down. "

Pretty hypocritical to be one of the most vocal opponents of mining, but then accept taconite tax dollars to build a new outlet store.

He’s never gotten a dime from me or any other local I know. No one I’ve ever met that worked there or dealt with him had anything nice to say about him either."

When you have been designated spokesperson for the people of Ely your opinion might have validity.

Also, being opposed to copper-nickel mining is not being anti taconite mining.

Its against the most polluting form of mining existing in the worst possible place for the BWCA.

Get your facts straight.

GopherAdventure

09/24/2020 08:23AM

MM, I get that it’s mud slinging season, but I wouldn’t be so quick to insult other people like that. I’m pretty sure Piragis treats their employees far better then the mining companies do. I’ve got relatives that have been absolutely crapped on by the mining companies over and over (layoffs, pay cuts, benefits reductions), but they keep going back whenever they’re hiring because they think it’s all they can do. Pretty sure Piragis has a much better track record with their employees then Antofagasta. It’s pretty cool when your boss is in the building...not in Chile.

missmolly

10/17/2020 06:16PM

Zwater: "missmolly: "bobbernumber3: "missmolly: "I've caught lake trout, rainbows, brookies, and brown trout, but I've never understood why so many fishers love trout above all. Can someone help me see?"

If you were listing bass, I would understand your question and perlexion… I've never understood why so many fishers love bass, but I don't really care to know."

Incuriouser and incuriouser. "

The perplexity of your statement is unjustifiable in the matter pertaining.
Are those big enough words?

Trout or bluegills. All good, geez."

Your lawn. Get thee to a window. Go. Farewell.

Zwater

10/17/2020 02:52PM

missmolly: "bobbernumber3: "missmolly: "I've caught lake trout, rainbows, brookies, and brown trout, but I've never understood why so many fishers love trout above all. Can someone help me see?"

If you were listing bass, I would understand your question and perlexion… I've never understood why so many fishers love bass, but I don't really care to know."

Incuriouser and incuriouser. "

The perplexity of your statement is unjustifiable in the matter pertaining.
Are those big enough words?

Trout or bluegills. All good, geez.

airmorse

10/17/2020 04:59PM

outsidethebox: "outsidethebox: "airmorse: "Can't blame me for asking.

Your trip sounds like it was a once-in-a-lifetime experience. I'm glad you got to experience that with your brother.

I used to fly fish, but haven't for quite some time.

I'm not on FB. But I'll do an internet search of your outfitter.

Thanks."
You certainly may ask. The nondisclosure is at the request of our guide. I will say that we fished this lake, mostly, per our request-so the general information is out there for the viewing public to discover and to be informed. At the same time Craig gladly took us up on our suggestion-stating that it was the best brook trout lake in the state...we cast a wary eye-we are now believers.

The You Tube clip my brother has entered does not show the fish real well but BWCA beauty and the spirit of the event is somewhat captured-you should be able to google it through You Tube with the information provided."

I watched the video. Looks like you had nice weather. Almost too good.

Oh, and nice fish.

I have posted a couple pictures on the BWCA FB site."

Zwater

10/18/2020 12:54PM

"If rarity were the driver of the trout's appeal, I would have to have taken a number when I fished the only two lakes in the world for the Aurora trout (You are allowed to catch one. So, you hook one, whether you keep it or not, and you're done.). However, I was the only one there and by the looks of the shoreline and the access road, I was the only one there in a long time."

Who is the "elitist?"

missmolly

10/18/2020 01:24PM

I didn't use the word, "elitist." Thus, your quotation marks are odd. Are they scare quotes?

Anyone who can pay thousands of dollars to rent a stretch of river in Newfoundland to cast to Atlantic salmon is an elitist because that experience is closed to most. Same with casting to trout in South America and New Zealand.

A schoolmarm in stained pants and a scratched SUV bouncing down a logging road to fish an overlooked lake is a scrapper because that experience is open to everyone with a pickup truck and sufficient pluck.

Zwater

10/18/2020 02:48PM

Scare quotes?
All in good fun. But this isn't elitist?

"I agree that class is in play. The lords of England caught trout while everyone else fished for carp and it's still that way today."

CanoeingWithKids

07/24/2021 08:50PM

RunningFox

09/30/2020 09:46PM

RunningFox: "RunningFox: "As we grow from 330 million to 450 million the next 30 years, things are bound to improve dramatically. For everyone. Growth solves everything. Which is why no one would dare call for an end to it.

RunningFox

09/30/2020 09:45PM

RunningFox: "As we grow from 330 million to 450 million the next 30 years, things are bound to improve dramatically. For everyone. Growth solves everything. Which is why no one would dare call for an end to it."

Duboly

10/06/2020 05:52PM

Dreaded double post. Stay safe!

missmolly

10/16/2020 08:03AM

Zwater: "missmolly: "I've caught lake trout, rainbows, brookies, and brown trout, but I've never understood why so many fishers love trout above all. Can someone help me see?"
Really? Kind of a ridiculous question. Catching a bluegill compared to catching a trout is a little different."

Every time you post at bwca.com, you run the risk of missing some neighborhood kids crossing your lawn. Do you really want to continue taking that chance?

bobbernumber3

10/13/2020 05:34PM

airmorse: "Not another dog!?!?!?!"
Quetico requires leashes.

OMGitsKa

10/13/2020 06:03PM

bobbernumber3: "airmorse: "Not another dog!?!?!?!"

Quetico requires leashes..."

Oh f off

Grandma L

10/31/2020 01:38PM

Oops,

moosewisper

11/05/2020 08:27AM

The average IQ of those born after 1975 has been dropping by several points every decade.

Not fake news!!!

jfinn

11/06/2020 01:34PM

Bump.

mooseplums

11/08/2020 10:39PM

KarlBAndersen1

11/15/2020 07:14AM

adam

02/13/2022 02:57PM

topping this

HangLoose

11/16/2020 10:39AM

Deleted

Jackfish

11/29/2020 10:08AM

Sending prayers of peace!

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TipsyPaddler

11/30/2020 06:48PM

Dreaded Duplicate Post

bwcadan

12/07/2020 11:25AM

Dreaded double post

OMGitsKa

12/10/2020 09:51AM

anchurch

12/14/2020 09:28PM

burrow1

12/13/2020 05:47PM

burrow1: "JimmyJustice: "Seems to me that these photos should be in this months picture contest...just saying."<

bobbernumber3

12/13/2020 07:41PM

Nigal: "I have stopped sharing any areas I hold dear. "

Well. Scared off that OP, new member and first time poster...

arctic

12/13/2020 07:58PM

I paddled the Greenmantle and Shabuskwia Rivers back in 1994 on a 22 day Wabikimi paddle. I find it idiotic that anyone would promote this place to the teaming masses. What's the point? You looking to gain kudos or trying to impress folks? Bringing more people into special places only leads to the degradation of of these places.

Sometimes, you just need to shut the f**k up.

Jackfish

03/05/2022 11:35PM

user0317

12/14/2020 08:29AM

arctic: "I paddled the Greenmantle and Shabuskwia Rivers back in 1994 on a 22 day Wabikimi paddle. I find it idiotic that anyone would promote this place to the teaming masses. What's the point? You looking to gain kudos or trying to impress folks? Bringing more people into special places only leads to the degradation of of these places.

Sometimes, you just need to shut the f**k up."

What a horrible, misguided response.

gravelroad

12/14/2020 06:44PM

dentondoc

12/21/2020 02:47PM

Sorry. Double post.

bobbernumber3

03/03/2022 05:19AM

Doublelung76: "Let’s go brandon"

Is there a way to block specific users?

AdmAckbar13

01/13/2021 10:30PM

RunningFox: "RunningFox: "No doubt the fish are happy, Mike. Sad to hear this for your and everyone’s sake, including mine.

This Covid thing has been blown out of proportion. Talked with my sixty-some year old neighbor who is a bone surgeon; he says he will not get the vaccine. A high percentage of health care workers will not get the vaccine. Thirty percent of Americans say they will not get the vaccine. Yes it is deadly for some, but not the vast majority. Even without Covid, just living life - living your life - puts other lives at risk. Somehow we lived with that fact — really lived — before COVID.

If Canada opens this year, visitors will no doubt be required to show proof of having received the vaccine well before the scheduled entry date.

""

This doesn't seem like the appropriate place to be spreading misinformation about covid and promulgating anti-vaccination sentiments.

Jackfish

12/29/2020 04:21PM

I wonder why the change? My thoughts are they took a simple, solid, easy-to-say name and made it more of a mouthful. Probably splitting hairs on that, but I'm sure Portage North will be a solid name, too.

eyestalker

01/08/2021 09:21AM

Kind of a copycat post so i apologize

billconner

02/20/2022 06:42AM

The software is definitely getting old.

thegildedgopher

01/11/2021 10:33AM

Time to update for 2021? The countdown is almost upon us! :D

Jackfish

01/11/2021 12:04PM

Hey Carl... can you email me some pics of the Prism? A buddy borrowed mine and liked it so much, he's considering buying his own. Thanks.

cyclones30

01/19/2021 06:05PM

Call Erik @ Clearwater Outfitters, he's mentioned this area on their podcast but I don't recall the answer now...

JackNeoff

02/09/2021 04:32PM

tumblehome
Some Americans still see drunk driving as a permissible activity even though thousands of innocent people are killed each year by them. As I get older, I tolerate that sort of stuff less and less.. Sorry, that's an editorial"

I'm sure some Canadians drink and drive also. I'm sure other country's also have people that drink and drive. People are people and that imagery line between countries doesn't mean a thing.

Jackfish

02/10/2021 08:49AM

Brule

MichiganMan

01/25/2021 08:46PM

So who won the Dec 2020 photo contest? I can't find it anywhere. Did I miss something?

Captn Tony

01/27/2021 11:22AM

2x post

VoyageurNorth

01/27/2021 06:31PM

I see Adam had a link to the official FS permit info but in case you just want to read it here.

Forest Service official - for the public - notice for BWCA permits
(this is long, sorry!)

Forest Service Superior National Forest
8901 Grand Ave. Place Duluth, MN 55808
www.fs.usda.gov/superior News Release
Media Contact: Joanna Gilkeson joanna.gilkeson@usda.gov
218-349-5134
Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness Quota Permit Reservations Available January 27, 2021
Duluth, Minn., January 26, 2021 – Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness (BWCAW) quota permit reservations for the 2021 season will be available beginning at 9:00 a.m. CST on Wednesday, January 27, 2021. Visitors are encouraged to book their reservations for May 1 through September 30 online at www.Recreation.gov or by calling 1-877-444-6777.
Visitors taking an overnight paddle, motor or hiking trip, or a motorized day trip into the BWCAW between May 1 and September 30 are required to obtain a quota permit. Group sizes are strictly limited to nine people and four watercraft. Smaller groups enhance your wilderness experience and chances of seeing wildlife, and decrease both physical and social resource impacts.
Tips and reminders for making a BWCAW quota permit reservation:
• Due to an expected high volume of calls on January 27th, online reservations are recommended to avoid delays. Log in to your account or create a new account before BWCAW Permits go on sale. You can only add a permit to your cart and proceed with your reservation after you are logged in to your account. The latest version of Chrome is recommended for best results.
• One permit per day per permit holder. The Forest Service reserves the right to cancel multiple same-day reservations and overlapping reservations under the same permit holder name. Visitors are allowed up to seven reservations in one cart, and one cart per transaction.
• Recreation fees paid will only be refunded for reservations cancelled two or more days prior to entry date, no exceptions. If you cannot go, please cancel your permit so it may be used by another group.
• Once a permit is placed with a cooperator, the issue station cannot be changed. Check the Cooperators tab on Recreation.gov (https://www.recreation.gov/permits/233396) to see which issue stations are issuing permits in-person or virtually.
• If a visitor needs to receive a permit via e-mail due to Covid19, they must select an issue station that is “operating virtually.”
Successful trips don’t just happen! They are the result of careful planning.
• All permit holders are required to watch three Leave No Trace (LNT) education videos and review the BWCAW Regulations and Rules prior to receiving their permit.
• Prior to making reservations, review all information in the “Need to Know” and “Fees & Cancellations” sections of the BWCAW permit on Recreation.gov. Thoroughly review the BWCAW Trip Planning Guide and watch Parts 1 & 2 of the BWCAW Leave No Trace video series prior to picking up a permit.
• Virtual LNT education will be offered every day of the permit season starting April 30. On the week of their entry date, permit holders will receive an e-mail invitation with a link to access the required LNT education online and view the third video. After the LNT requirement has been met, permit holders will receive their permit via email on the entry date or one day prior. Those picking up their permit in-person will view the third LNT educational video on-site.
• The BWCA Wilderness is over 1,098,000 acres in size. Always remember to leave a Trip Itinerary with family or friends prior to departure.
• Carefully consider whether a wilderness trip is the best option for your group. There are 254 backcountry campsites, as well as dispersed camping areas, outside designated wilderness that require no fees or reservations. For more information, visit the Superior National Forest website.

Sierracup

02/10/2021 03:06PM

During my vehicle and Yakima rack system search, I found this site to be quite handy.

Jackfish

02/01/2021 06:16PM

Sammy, don't forget to use the "Add a link to this message" function that you find right below the white box you type in. Let me know if you need help with it.

Captn Tony

02/13/2021 07:08PM

Another dang double post!
If I keep this up I'll have another tree before I know it!

TRadam

02/14/2021 11:57AM

Guess this kind of sums it up. Yep, Teddy is part of BWCA.com

mutz

02/16/2021 03:39PM

homers: "I'm still holding out hope the border opens mid summer with proof of vaccination. I know Dr Faucci stated those who have had the vaccine don't need to quarantine. If the data shows small risk of a vaccinated person transmitting the virus, travel should open. "

Looking at dr faucci,s record he will probably change this opinion as often as his mask recommendations changed.

cowdoc

02/19/2021 10:03AM

I see Pete popped back in to answer some biggies.....I shall defer....

Jackfish

03/03/2022 11:59PM

outsidethebox

02/22/2021 08:58PM

Argo: "The current sentiment, which is quite negative, is informing very negative predictions up here.

Don't discount the notion that this virus may just fizzle without warning. The Spanish flu did that in under two years without a vaccine. I doubt anybody in the middle of that plague saw it ending so abruptly. "
Oh dear...as we go zipping past half a million deaths. Ignorance is the greater issue here.

Jackfish

02/23/2021 12:38PM

Interesting and timely thread from a few years ago.

flaxman

03/15/2021 09:21PM

Quetico, looking west

03/22/2021 09:24PM

rick24: "I stay at the Paddle Inn. It's nothing fancy, but it's clean and if you have a group they rooms to fit your group size. "
What Rick said. Nice little motel. Clean and comfy.

Captn Tony

04/15/2021 09:41AM

2x post!

CardinalNation

03/30/2021 01:29PM

Zup's Fishing Resort & Canoe Outfitters

http://zupsresort.com/

Jackfish

02/25/2022 01:16PM

thart2009

04/07/2021 06:53AM

WhiteWolf: "3Ball: "so if we really just have no idea at all, why do we write yet another 40 lines or so?"

I I'am glad some found it educational in following long term winter weather.
Enjoy the weather - it's the only weather you got.
"

I for one have found the discussion and your information in particular fascinating. Thanks for the time you put into your posts.

bobbernumber3

04/06/2021 07:26PM

3Ball: "so if we really just have no idea at all, why do we write yet another 40 lines or so?"

+1

WhiteWolf

04/07/2021 06:07AM

3Ball: "so if we really just have no idea at all, why do we write yet another 40 lines or so?"

If this is directed at me and I assume it is- it's because several people asked to see where I thought I went wrong. Geez- tough crowd here at the end. I admit mistakes - show my errors- and than get hammered on those too? As far as "really no idea at all" - well- your entitled to your own opinion - but I think many on this forum over years would disagree and I really did have an scientific idea based on science and tried to put it into laymens terms. Sorry if that bothers some folks. I'am glad some found it educational in following long term winter weather.
Enjoy the weather - it's the only weather you got.

Frankie_Paull

04/07/2021 07:06AM

3Ball: "so if we really just have no idea at all, why do we write yet another 40 lines or so?" Pretty rude.

LindenTree

04/07/2021 10:35AM

thart2009: "WhiteWolf: "3Ball: "so if we really just have no idea at all, why do we write yet another 40 lines or so?"

I I'am glad some found it educational in following long term winter weather.
Enjoy the weather - it's the only weather you got.
"

I for one have found the discussion and your information in particular fascinating. Thanks for the time you put into your posts."

Same here, I spent a few hours digging into the Arctic Oscillation and the North Atlantic Oscillation, and will look at in the future to see whether the AO is in a positive or negative phase for upcoming winters.

Captn Tony

04/07/2021 02:24PM

Captn Tony: "My new favorite
Sprinkle lemon pepper liberally on both sides of fillet. Fry in butter or butter substitute. Serve.
Works best with lake trout but is excellent on all species."

BearBurrito

04/07/2021 02:34PM

bobbernumber3: "3Ball: "so if we really just have no idea at all, why do we write yet another 40 lines or so?"

+1"

This is my humble opinion, but I find both of these responses to be rather rude and uncalled for.

Jackfish

04/20/2021 10:01AM

For clarity, OM means overnight motor, right?

ledhead

04/28/2021 09:34AM

plus it helps alot on ticks

hernfiry

05/02/2021 07:56PM

I've noticed that onX has portages and campsites marked, although I haven't put them to the test.

tumblehome

05/23/2021 06:44AM

I think you are more than considering it. Almost 10k.

tumblehome

05/24/2021 06:50PM

Why are you deleting my post? He has it listed on Craigslist for $9,500.

KSTAXIDERMIST

05/24/2021 12:14PM

Thanks for the reply

KSTAXIDERMIST

05/24/2021 12:14PM

Thanks

billconner

04/07/2023 06:15AM

Somebody needs to reread the "Oath of Dignity and Respect".

Pinetree

07/31/2022 10:07PM

airmorse: "Pinetree: " Home "

Can't read the article. :-("

Lost and then found: Luigi the Lab survives nearly a month in and around the BWCA
A Labrador retriever mix went missing from its family in the BWCA and improbably turned up miles away — and alive — 29 days later.
By Bob Timmons Star Tribune JULY 31, 2022 — 10:14AM
Listen

COURTESY OF ZANE BRUNETTE
Luigi, shown at home last week, is regaining weight and returning to his playful self, his owner said.

A dog can have nine lives, too.

Luigi, a Labrador retriever mix, surfaced last week miles of woods and water away and nearly a month removed from where he went missing from his family during a trip into the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness.

Luigi was spotted July 24 in the woods by a visitor at Loon Lake Lodge off the Gunflint Trail, touching off a happy reunion several hours later with one of his owners, who had made "Luigi" a household word across the North Country. They'd plastered paper flyers, posted on social media, and spoken with whoever they thought might help them.

Luigi's odds looked grim 29 days earlier.

On June 25, his owners, Zane Brunette and his cousin Max McKernan, both of Minneapolis, lost track of Luigi almost immediately when they and two friends arrived at a portage between lakes Kawasachong and Polly, about 30 miles northwest of Lutsen. They were launching a 10-day trip with two friends and Luigi when their plans changed abruptly.

With other paddlers in the vicinity and a long portage, Luigi went missing while Brunette and others moved gear, the owner said. In retrospect, Brunette suspected Luigi might have been taken by others with dogs at the hectic portage. Regardless, their dog couldn't be found.

Brunette said they stayed in the area for six hours, searching and calling for Luigi. They then camped for about three days in the area and, he said, put out "greasy pans" in places, hoping to attract the dog.

Luigi, at home, last week.

COURTESY OF ZANE BRUNETTE
Luigi, at home, last week.
When those attempts failed, they turned to the internet, posting on social media and BWCA blogs. Brunette said they also papered the North Shore and interior lands with their loss.

"It didn't matter if he was taken or [strangers at the portage] ditched him … we put up flyers on everything north of Two Harbors," said Brunette, who added that he leaned on connections to veterinarians.

His lasting hope as the days went on, he said, was that someone would find Luigi and bring him to a veterinarian's clinic.

Only Luigi knows what transpired over 29 days lost in the rugged wild between where the resilient dog started and where he turned up. Was he snatched, like Brunette suspected, and let go? Did he avoid wolves? Find food — if any? He did find some sort of survival mode: He had owners who wouldn't quit on him, and he encountered good Samaritans when he perhaps needed them most.

Marit Warren and her family came upon Luigi in the woods July 24 near their cabin at Loon Lake Lodge, where they were guests, 30 miles or more northeast of where the dog disappeared. Warren's son alerted her. She went to investigate the skittish black dog he'd found and, over time and using cheese treats, earned Luigi's trust. Brunette said he started doing tricks.

Later that day, Warren contacted a Cook County sheriff's dispatcher with her news. The dispatcher recalled a poster for a missing black dog. That led Warren to Brunette. She called and sent photos. One of them showed a black dog with a distinctive lean — just like Luigi's, Brunette said.

Brunette immediately drove six hours from Minneapolis to Warren's cabin, arriving just after midnight.

"I knew him immediately," Brunette said, adding that Luigi ran into his arms, whined and cried, he recalled of the joyous reunion.

Luigi, normally 69 pounds, was 25 pounds lighter and had some broken toenails but otherwise was in good shape. There wasn't even a tick on him.

"He wanted to get in the car," Brunette said with a laugh.

"We were lucky he found Marit because she was the right person for him," he added. "I'm eternally grateful."

Luigi has since returned to his playful self in the comforts of home in Minneapolis and is getting some extra food like eggs, Brunette said, still sounding floored by the weekslong experience.

"I give all the credit to [Luigi]," he added. "I don't know what he went through, but he persevered."

Bob Timmons covers a variety of topics, from conservation to recreation, and coordinates the Star Tribune's Outdoors Weekend section content.

robert.timmons@startribune.com 612-673-7899 rltimm

blackdawg9

05/28/2021 06:55AM

blackdawg9: "check out rebel news.
i think no one believes in the vax or the lockdowns were ever necessary, it only happened to crush the world eonomy and gain more power , by the swamp. i have been talking to canadians for most of the last year and they are just flat out being abused by the govt. it should never of closed, there should be no vax requirements. this is pure evil/" china weaponized operation

bobbernumber3

05/28/2021 07:27AM

blackdawg9

05/28/2021 06:45AM

check out rebel news.
i think no one believes in the vax or the lockdowns were ever necessary, it only happened to crush the world eonomy and gain more power , by the swamp. i have been talking to canadians for most of the last year and they are just flat out being abused by the govt. it should never of closed, there should be no vax requirements. this is pure evil/

ThreeRivers

05/28/2021 07:31AM

blackdawg9: "blackdawg9: "check out rebel news.
i think no one believes in the vax or the lockdowns were ever necessary, it only happened to crush the world eonomy and gain more power , by the swamp. i have been talking to canadians for most of the last year and they are just flat out being abused by the govt. it should never of closed, there should be no vax requirements. this is pure evil/" china weaponized operation "

the q-anon Kool Aid stand must be open.

bobbernumber3

05/28/2021 08:26AM

blackdawg9: "

both sides are evil"

Proud Boys or Rebel "news"?

blackdawg9

05/28/2021 08:02AM

ThreeRivers: "blackdawg9: "blackdawg9: "check out rebel news.
i think no one believes in the vax or the lockdowns were ever necessary, it only happened to crush the world eonomy and gain more power , by the swamp. i have been talking to canadians for most of the last year and they are just flat out being abused by the govt. it should never of closed, there should be no vax requirements. this is pure evil/" china weaponized operation "

the q-anon Kool Aid stand must be open. "

i dont drink kool aid or do the Q. i've watched guys up in quebec, ontario border, not be able to leave their house, for anything besides the grocery store, for over a year now.

both sides are evil

Porkeater

05/28/2021 08:14AM

sns

05/28/2021 08:35AM

user0317

05/28/2021 02:44PM

yogi59weedr

06/01/2021 06:08PM

Ringo co I ld be on a canoe trip.

Zwater21

06/13/2021 08:12PM

Awesome self promo and bump.

Zwater21

06/13/2021 08:09PM

Just go fishing and don't worry about it. Have fun.

Savage Voyageur

06/14/2021 08:15AM

Zwater21

06/13/2021 08:24PM

timatkn: "Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge and experiences Mike!

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Did you read his article in the BWJ?

Zwater21

06/13/2021 08:14PM

Awesome fish! Congrats!
But some will be asking if you fished too deep, mortality of the fish....
Great fish and memory. Good for you!!

LindenTree

07/02/2021 11:45AM

boonie

07/04/2021 06:23AM

double post

adam

07/07/2021 04:16PM

??ATTN BWCAW VISITORS??:This is the last full week of virtual permit issuance. Starting on Monday, July 12, wilderness permits will need to be picked up in-person at a Forest Service office or at a cooperator. If you have questions about your reservation or issue station, please reach out to the Forest Service office closest to your entry point: www.fs.usda.gov/detail/superior/about-forest/offices. Moving forward, virtual will ONLY be available on Sundays for visitors who selected Tofte or LaCroix district offices as their permit issue station, due to these offices being closed on Sunday this year. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for your patience and flexibility as we navigate returning to in-person services.

Boppasteveg

07/20/2021 12:07PM

Boppasteveg: "Very sad. Condolances to the family. Please wear a PFD. By the time your boat capsizes...it's too late to put it on.
https://www.fox21online.com/2021/07/20/one-man-drowns-in-bwca-water-emergency-on-monday/
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Will someone please insert this link the proper way? I'm working and do not have the time to figure it out.

thebotanyguy

07/20/2021 12:15PM

Will someone please insert this link the proper way? I'm working and do not have the time to figure it out."

Link to article

Meliisa1988

07/20/2021 04:22PM

I think a lot !

Meliisa1988

07/20/2021 04:28PM

Thanks, this help