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ghamer
12/13/2018 05:42PM
 
cowdoc: "lindylair:


"


Wow, I've never seen this before! It make me think of Emmerson Lake and Palmer's Brain Salad Surgery. I just spent the last 30 minutes on Youtube searching for ELP music :-)
 
ghamer
12/12/2018 06:34PM
 
You guys are out of control... this is great! Here are a few more... also included one of me taking mushroom photos... using my 24-105. I usually use the 70-200 though.



 
hobbydog
12/12/2018 08:18PM
 

 
cowdoc
12/13/2018 09:36AM
 

 
ozarkpaddler
12/18/2018 08:33AM
 
Great shots everyone! OK, so we're looking for squirrel's 'eh? Here's one of our Fox Squirrels:



 
Banksiana
12/18/2018 09:07AM
 
Gamer-


The difficulty wasn't the jay taking flight so much as trying to get a steady shot with just my left hand holding the DSLR.
 
ghamer
12/13/2018 11:14AM
 
ozarkpaddler:


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Beautiful location and shot, Terry... love the snow too! I hope you have this one hanging on your wall :-)
 
ozarkpaddler
12/14/2018 11:59PM
 
SaganagaJoe: "



Stuart Range of the Cascades, near Leavenworth (just for you Terry)
June 2017



I moved to Minnesota in January but still love looking back on the hikes I was blessed to enjoy out in Washington. I plan to take a few more trips over the next few years, while my parents still live out there. "



Looks just like I remember it, Joe, THANKS! I certainly wish digital cameras were available in the '70's (LOL)! The few photos with my little 110 camera are pretty pitiful, but that photo storage area in the old gray matter works surprisingly well (LOL)!
 
cowdoc
12/13/2018 05:20PM
 
lindylair: "Ausable, great shots and kudos for you to care enough to figure out what species they are! I just shoot em.



Ozark great shot and i love the way you framed the subject, really spectacular. Agree with Gary, this should be hanging up somewhere.







"



That is a major cool fungus pic!
 
cowdoc
12/13/2018 05:21PM
 
Hostess Snowballs



 
SaganagaJoe
12/13/2018 06:50AM
 



Western Larch Grove (basically mountain tamarack) in the Chelan Sawtooth range of the Cascades, October 2017
 
ghamer
12/17/2018 07:05PM
 
I'm loving all the activity here!
Lindy - great cedar waxwing shot!
Banksiana - nice shot... amazing how fast those gray jays can be. I'll bet I have 20 shots where they flew in the middle of the exposure.
Terry - nice to hear from you... the Current River looks like it is moving pretty good.


These red squirrels are at virtually every camp, but I still love shooting them.


 
lindylair
12/13/2018 07:50PM
 
I must say I had no idea just how many mushroom/fungi shots I have. Nor did I remember how many different varieties, shapes, sizes and colors they come in. I'm ready to move on to another topic anytime but this sure is fun.

















































I apologize, not trying to take over the thread. Just having fun looking back, and getting excited for next year's shots:)
 
lindylair
12/13/2018 08:36PM
 





Had to include this one just because of the sheer size of the mushroom - probably the biggest I have seen. Comparable to the diameter of a large Frisbee, I included the hand in the shot for a point of reference.


If you enjoy mushroom/fungi photography I highly recommend Crosby Manitou State Park. Great for a daytrip or a backpack camping trip of several days as we did. I fondly call it Crosby Mushroom State Park, i have never seen so many and so much variety. The mink with the frog legs was also shot there and it offers beautiful forest, river and waterfalls to boot.
 
ozarkpaddler
12/13/2018 09:33AM
 
WOW, what great photos this month!I thought I had taken some great mink shots, but Gary and Lindy, WOW! And Saganaga Joe, I love those PNW pics, keep them coming! That shot in the Olympics is spectacular! When I was 15, my step father took me out west for the first time to visit a friend in Wenatchee, Washington. We went to Yellowstone from there but also had a few day hikes in the Cascades near Leavenworth, WA. Always thought I'd make it back there one day, and make it up north to the Olympics too, but it's 43 years later....


So here's a pic, one of my all-time favorites that I've taken; I feel like I need to "Hit you with my best shot" (LOL) after all these superb photos! Lower falls of the Yellowstone after a dusting of September snow:



 
Ausable
12/13/2018 09:43AM
 
Here are three images captured on an October afternoon on our former property near Mio, MI. The first two may be of Amanita muscaria "Fly mushroom". The third is a cluster of what may be Inocybe pudica. Whatever they are, the important thing is that I thought they were pretty.



 
lindylair
12/10/2018 07:13AM
 
Gary, great pic of the mink.


Banks and Joe, great shots!


Here's mine...Frog Legs anyone?





 
SaganagaJoe
12/12/2018 10:05PM
 



One of my all time favorites - Buckhorn Wilderness, Olympic Mountains, May 2017.
 
SaganagaJoe
12/16/2018 08:03AM
 



Royal Lake, Olympic National Park, June 2016.


For those of you who liked the picture of the steep trail a few days ago, this is in the same area.
 
SaganagaJoe
12/14/2018 06:42AM
 



Stuart Range of the Cascades, near Leavenworth (just for you Terry)
June 2017


I moved to Minnesota in January but still love looking back on the hikes I was blessed to enjoy out in Washington. I plan to take a few more trips over the next few years, while my parents still live out there.
 
lindylair
12/12/2018 07:54PM
 
Love it, great shots all! Imagine we will exhaust our mushroom shots by April or so and move on to another subject!! :)


Gary, a very disciplined approach - mine are mostly hand held or perhaps monopod. Not bragging at all, you are doing the right thing. I just don't have the discipline.


Cowdoc, our "Tall One" shots are very similar. Probably both had to dust off our bellies after those shots...haha.

 
Ausable
12/25/2018 01:41AM
 
Mocha: "
on the way to the Cross River (ep 50) landing on the Round Lake Rd."

This picture evokes an ethereal feeling for me, but I don't know exactly why that is. Maybe it is the ice separating the land from the reflection.
 
Mocha
12/25/2018 12:56PM
 
ausable...thanks for that comment. that particular spot was always a favorite of mine during any season. i like that it winds around to the right of that bog and you just have to wonder what's back there? even during soft water times there was always a reflection of those trees on the water.


smurf village on north fowl.


mountain lake


north fowl lake







pemmican lake.


there, i think i got caught up on all the themes in this thread! have a great christmas all! heading to AZ, grand canyon, a silver mine, vegas, and back again. thankfully missing the winter storm that will smack MN in a few days.
 
Ausable
12/08/2018 12:31PM
 
I'm glad that you didn't let the the gray skies and damp days stop you from looking for pictures. Nice orange cluster in that first pic and good use of shallow depth of field and background bokeh in the 2nd. I like looking for interesting fungi and lichen. Here are some trumpet lichen from Sunday Lake in Quetico.

 
lindylair
12/25/2018 04:30PM
 
Mocha, love the Smurf Village shot, looks to be color coordinated with your tent!

Have fun in the SW! Merry Christmas.





 
SaganagaJoe
12/26/2018 12:04PM
 
lindylair: "Mocha, love the Smurf Village shot, looks to be color coordinated with your tent!


Have fun in the SW! Merry Christmas.


Wonderful shot.



"

 
ozarkpaddler
12/26/2018 12:33PM
 
Well, here's some after Christmas fungi so I can join the fungus club (LOL)!

 
ghamer
12/26/2018 10:05AM
 
Nice shots everyone!
Lindy - great pano on Crocodile Lake - I never been there, but have been to East Bearskin... nice area. Also nice North Shore shot... love the wave action and color of the water.
Mocha - I see you shoot mushrooms/ fungi too, it's amazing how many of us do... nice shots. Also, your shot on the way to the Cross River is beautiful!
 
SaganagaJoe
12/26/2018 12:02PM
 



Third Beach, near La Push, WA (Pacific Ocean). I put around 400 miles on the van driving around the Olympic Peninsula on Christmas Eve. Living in Minnesota now means I'm much farther away from the ocean.
 
cowdoc
12/12/2018 05:42PM
 
It was along a portage on the Falls Chain. I've always just called it Coral Fungus.
 
ghamer
12/12/2018 09:21PM
 
lindylair:
Gary, a very disciplined approach - mine are mostly hand held or perhaps monopod. Not bragging at all, you are doing the right thing. I just don't have the discipline.
"



Lindy, maybe I'm just foolish carrying all that gear... I'm seeing lots of shots here that I really wish I had taken :-)
 
lindylair
12/08/2018 08:35PM
 
To keep the current theme going...






Gary I will help keep the thread going if you will...love to trade shots on any subject and hopefully others will chime in.
 
Ausable
12/10/2018 09:56PM
 
Continuing with my lichen pictures, here is one of Reindeer lichen and Bearberry on Mexican Hat Lake in Woodland Caribou PP. For some reason, I love the look of Reindeer lichen.

 
ghamer
12/13/2018 09:46AM
 
Ausable: "SaganagaJoe: "



One of my all time favorites - Buckhorn Wilderness, Olympic Mountains, May 2017. "

As I look at this scene, I feel like I'm flirting with falling off the mountain path."



I was thinking the same thing about the path... beautiful area!
 
Banksiana
12/17/2018 02:17AM
 

 
ghamer
12/13/2018 05:46PM
 
cowdoc: "Hostess Snowballs



"

Wow, who woulda thought, so many varieties of mushrooms/ fungi... very cool shot!
 
ozarkpaddler
12/17/2018 08:55AM
 
You'all are really giving us a feast for the eyes this month! Joe, those WA shots, WOW! Here's one from the Current River early last October:

 
SaganagaJoe
12/17/2018 06:02PM
 



One of the two Flapjack Lakes in the Olympics, June 2016.



 
lindylair
12/17/2018 09:45PM
 











 
SaganagaJoe
12/18/2018 01:50PM
 



View from the Gobblers Knob Lookout in Mt. Rainier National Park, June 2016

The tallest mountain on the far horizon, in the middle, is Mt. St. Helens.
 
SaganagaJoe
12/18/2018 01:54PM
 
ozarkpaddler: "You'all are really giving us a feast for the eyes this month! Joe, those WA shots, WOW! Here's one from the Current River early last October:
"



That's awesome. I need to get a canoe soon!!
 
SaganagaJoe
12/18/2018 01:55PM
 
ozarkpaddler:


So here's a pic, one of my all-time favorites that I've taken; I feel like I need to "Hit you with my best shot" (LOL) after all these superb photos! Lower falls of the Yellowstone after a dusting of September snow:



"



You know, don't you, that this spot is the shower bath Paul Bunyan built for Babe the blue ox, right? They were a little dirty after a little wrestling match that created the Grand Tetons.
 
lindylair
12/18/2018 07:20PM
 
Great story Joe...and nice pics!


Some of my best shots are Portrait orientation, as opposed to Landscape. Everytime I post one on here it turns it sidewise. Anyone else experience that? Any fixes?








Example - hahaha, wouldn't you know it this one worked
 
lindylair
12/18/2018 07:34PM
 
Trying my luck at another one...










Never mind...was a thing for awhile but must have been fixed
 
cowdoc
12/19/2018 02:56PM
 

 
SaganagaJoe
12/19/2018 06:44PM
 



Time for a change of pace - this was a Sunday morning at my grandparents' cabin this past May.
 
ghamer
12/20/2018 12:27PM
 
Since my eyes and brain see horizontal, shooting verticals does not come naturally to me. Every trip I tell myself to shoot more veriticals, but seldom do. Here is one vertical shot, to help see if the vertical issues Lindy was talking about is really fixed. It was taken from Trail's End Campground.
 
lindylair
12/20/2018 02:34PM
 
Gary, great shot. Some subjects just seem to work better vertical. I shoot a fair amount of them but it seems like many people don't. Great that they work on here now...or was it my user error all along?










 
lindylair
12/20/2018 03:10PM
 
Another one where vertical just seemed to make sense:





 
ozarkpaddler
12/20/2018 08:23PM
 
You'all are blowing me away with all the beautiful photos this month! Here's a vertical sunrise over Superior.

 
schweady
12/20/2018 01:00PM
 
ghamer: " Since my eyes and brain see horizontal, shooting verticals does not come naturally to me. Every trip I tell myself to shoot more veriticals, but seldom do. Here is one vertical shot, to help see if the vertical issues Lindy was talking about is really fixed. It was taken from Trail's End Campground. "
Perfect subject for a vertical. Your eye is drawn up (and down) the trees, and, after not reaching their tops, bounces back and forth between the two suns before finally turning to the focal point on the horizon. Beautiful.

 
lindylair
12/21/2018 07:06AM
 

 
cowdoc
12/21/2018 11:33AM
 
Behold.....the Magnetic Rock!

 
cowdoc
12/18/2018 12:14PM
 

 
SaganagaJoe
12/19/2018 06:45PM
 
lindylair: "Trying my luck at another one...












Never mind...was a thing for awhile but must have been fixed"



Must have been? I dare say. Fantastic shot.
 
SaganagaJoe
12/19/2018 06:48PM
 
SaganagaJoe: "ozarkpaddler:



So here's a pic, one of my all-time favorites that I've taken; I feel like I need to "Hit you with my best shot" (LOL) after all these superb photos! Lower falls of the Yellowstone after a dusting of September snow:




"




You know, don't you, that this spot is the shower bath Paul Bunyan built for Babe the blue ox, right? They were a little dirty after a little wrestling match that created the Grand Tetons. "



And yust in case you don't believe me, start at 9:40 here:


Paul Bunyan Builds The Grand Tetons and a Showerbath
 
lindylair
12/09/2018 10:27AM
 
Somber skies, Vibrant colors




 
ghamer
12/16/2018 05:26PM
 
SaganagaJoe: "



Royal Lake, Olympic National Park, June 2016.



For those of you who liked the picture of the steep trail a few days ago, this is in the same area. "

Another great shot Joe, the lake reflection is a nice bonus! Wish I had some mountain shots to share but my last trip to the mountains I was shooting Velvia slide film.
 
ghamer
12/16/2018 05:56PM
 
In the early years, we saw lots of gray jays every trip... they were really aggresive about stealing food off our plates. Then from the 1990s - 2010 we saw very few. Now we are seeing them again most every trip... nice to have them back! This from our 2018 fall trip... shot with 70-200mm at 200mm
 
ghamer
12/12/2018 03:45PM
 
Looks like I'm not the only one who wanders around behind camp shooting mushrooms/ fungi/ lichen... great shots guys! It's amazing how brightly colored some of them are.
 
ghamer
12/04/2018 10:08AM
 
We had tons of rain during our trip in late September, so when the photo ops were limited due to gray blah skies, I went behind camp. There were all sorts of interesting mushrooms to shoot... here are a couple. We were camped on Lake Agnes in BWCA.

 
Banksiana
12/09/2018 05:19PM
 
Somber and violent redux:
 
SaganagaJoe
12/09/2018 08:42PM
 



Old Growth in Olympic National Park
November 2018
 
lindylair
12/12/2018 04:03PM
 








































(This one is a combination of elements of two separate photos that I combined because I thought they just went well together!!)



Gary, you are right on that. Whenever I am out in the woods I keep a wary eye out for mushrooms, etc.. I literally have hundreds of shots of them, these are just random ones I found quickly. Looks like ausable and Cowdoc are there with us:)

 
Ausable
12/12/2018 04:51PM
 
cowdoc: "I'll do fungus and critter (small critter)


"

Cowdoc, where did you find that fungus and do you know the name? In my copy of "The Mushroom Hunter's Field Guide" it looks similar to Ramaria Subbotrytis (Rose Coral). It is gorgeous.
 
cowdoc
12/12/2018 05:49PM
 
A tall one....
 
SaganagaJoe
12/15/2018 10:02AM
 



Indian Henry's Hunting Ground at Mt. Rainier National Park, July 2016.



 
ghamer
12/15/2018 12:40PM
 
SaganagaJoe: "



Indian Henry's Hunting Ground at Mt. Rainier National Park, July 2016.



"

Beautiful!
 
lindylair
12/11/2018 08:24PM
 
I photograph mushrooms/fungi whenever i am out in the woods, really enjoy it and have hundreds of photos. Hard to pick ones that stand out.





 
lindylair
12/11/2018 08:36PM
 
I'll try to stop:)





 
Ausable
12/13/2018 01:13PM
 
hobbydog: " "
Hobbydog, I'm trying to understand what I am seeing. Are these fungi that have died back and now have mosses growing through or on them? I've never seen anything like them.
 
lindylair
12/13/2018 02:53PM
 
Ausable, great shots and kudos for you to care enough to figure out what species they are! I just shoot em.


Ozark great shot and i love the way you framed the subject, really spectacular. Agree with Gary, this should be hanging up somewhere.







 
lindylair
12/13/2018 07:09PM
 
Gary, What a Lucky Man You Are!


I have seen cowdoc's fungi before but no shots. Well done.











Front and back views...this was a weird one
 
Ausable
12/20/2018 02:46PM
 
Speaking of the Grand Tetons, here's a panorama taken from Grand View Point east of the Grand Tetons. I apologize for any banding you might see in the sky: compressing a 200 MB tiff down to a 3.2 MB jpeg has consequences.

 
Ausable
12/20/2018 06:15PM
 
schweady: "ghamer: " Since my eyes and brain see horizontal, shooting verticals does not come naturally to me. Every trip I tell myself to shoot more veriticals, but seldom do. Here is one vertical shot, to help see if the vertical issues Lindy was talking about is really fixed. It was taken from Trail's End Campground. "
Perfect subject for a vertical. Your eye is drawn up (and down) the trees, and, after not reaching their tops, bounces back and forth between the two suns before finally turning to the focal point on the horizon. Beautiful.
"

Yes, nice composition and beautiful, complementary colors.
 
lindylair
12/23/2018 09:16PM
 





I'll play along...sunset on Crocodile lake. One of my favorite lakes and favorite trips. We had the whole lake to ourselves, caught plenty of fish and saw lots of wildlife including 3 wolves splashing in the water for a half hour or so across the bay .
 
ghamer
12/23/2018 07:51PM
 
Great shots everyone... it's incredible that we are up to 75 posts this month!!!
I'll pick up on the pano theme since I have been trying to shoot more of them.
Also a very Merry Christmas to you and yours!

 
Mocha
12/24/2018 05:38PM
 

on the way to the Cross River (ep 50) landing on the Round Lake Rd.
 
ghamer
12/26/2018 07:27PM
 
ozarkpaddler: "Well, here's some after Christmas fungi so I can join the fungus club (LOL)!
"



Member of the bwca.com Fungus Club, now that's a resume enhancer! :-)
BTW, nice shots!
 
ozarkpaddler
12/27/2018 02:07AM
 
ghamer: "ozarkpaddler: "Well, here's some after Christmas fungi so I can join the fungus club (LOL)!
"




Member of the bwca.com Fungus Club, now that's a resume enhancer! :-)
BTW, nice shots!"



Well thanks for the compliment, but I'm just a picture taker....YOU are a PHOTOGRAPHER!
 
lindylair
12/27/2018 07:08AM
 
Have to agree, Gary's talent is quite evident, although you do quite well too ozark(and the others that have posted).
As long as we're having fun doing it...





 
ghamer
12/27/2018 10:32AM
 
Thanks guys, I do take lots of photos when I go up north... typically 3000 per trip. But most of those I wouldn't want to share :-) One reason I take so many is because I often bracket exposure levels to give me more flexibility when I am home processing.


Lindy, great shot of the bumblebee... beautiful color and composition! I have also chased the bees and butterflies around the prairie here in Iowa. It is definitely a low percentage endeavor... I get one keeper in every 50 shots or so since they move so fast. I usually use my 100-400mm zoom (handheld) with the shutter speed set really high.


 
ozarkpaddler
12/27/2018 12:31PM
 
Ahhh, well then let's have some Bees! The first is not out of focus, it's the reason we sneeze around flowers! Note the copius amount of pollen:









And here at the hive is the factory for the fruits of their labors in the pollen:





 
lindylair
12/28/2018 08:33PM
 
Gary and Ozark...those shots are the Bees Knees!





 
lindylair
12/28/2018 09:02PM
 





Along with mushrooms, birds, flowers, landscapes and sunrises/sunsets, insect photography is another thing I really enjoy. The detail that you can see in a good shot is really incredible.
 
SaganagaJoe
12/29/2018 08:18PM
 



Old growth tree (probably 400 years old) in the Quinault Rainforest in Olympic National Park.
 
SaganagaJoe
12/30/2018 11:04AM
 



Hyas Lake in the Alpine Lakes Wilderness, July 2017
 
SaganagaJoe
12/17/2018 06:42AM
 
ghamer: "In the early years, we saw lots of gray jays every trip... they were really aggresive about stealing food off our plates. Then from the 1990s - 2010 we saw very few. Now we are seeing them again most every trip... nice to have them back! This from our 2018 fall trip... shot with 70-200mm at 200mm "


Gorgeous!
 
lindylair
12/17/2018 06:39AM
 





Ya got me, don't have much for decent grey jay shots. See these guys a lot though.
 
ghamer
12/09/2018 05:46PM
 
Lots of great shots everyone! Ausable... love the little red highlights on the trumpet lichen. Lindy, the red sumac really pops... the dusting of snow gives it a nice touch too. Banksiana, where was that taken... very nice grand landscape!


Now what shall I post next? Think I'll go with a critter... here is a mink taken near a portage to Ima Lake.
 
cowdoc
12/11/2018 02:15PM
 
I'll do fungus and critter (small critter)



 
Ausable
12/13/2018 09:27AM
 
SaganagaJoe: "


One of my all time favorites - Buckhorn Wilderness, Olympic Mountains, May 2017. "

As I look at this scene, I feel like I'm flirting with falling off the mountain path.
 
lindylair
12/13/2018 09:38AM
 





I don't have much time at all in the mountains so my options are pretty limited. This is one of a few I have, taken in Smoky Mountains National Park.
 
lindylair
12/13/2018 09:45AM
 
Cowdoc, really cool shot. I have never seen one like that.
 
ozarkpaddler
12/14/2018 11:59PM
 
SaganagaJoe: "



Stuart Range of the Cascades, near Leavenworth (just for you Terry)
June 2017



I moved to Minnesota in January but still love looking back on the hikes I was blessed to enjoy out in Washington. I plan to take a few more trips over the next few years, while my parents still live out there. "



Looks just like I remember it, Joe, THANKS! I certainly wish digital cameras were available in the '70's (LOL)! The few photos with my little 110 camera are pretty pitiful, but that photo storage area in the old gray matter works surprisingly well (LOL)!
 
ghamer
12/30/2018 03:50PM
 
SaganagaJoe: "



Hyas Lake in the Alpine Lakes Wilderness, July 2017 "



Beautiful shot and area... looks like it is begging for canoe to be launched into it!
 
ghamer
12/30/2018 03:57PM
 
Here are a few more insects...


 
lindylair
12/30/2018 07:32PM
 





Just taking off...









Airborne
 
lindylair
12/30/2018 07:32PM
 




 
lindylair
12/30/2018 08:00PM
 





Wanna get to 100 posts for the month...who wants it?
 
ghamer
12/31/2018 06:51PM
 
100 posts, mighty impressive!
Here are some camp site shots from this years trips...
Ogish
Kekekabic
Lake Agnes
 
ghamer
01/01/2019 09:48AM
 
SaganagaJoe: "ghamer: "100 posts, mighty impressive!
Here are some camp site shots from this years trips...
Ogish



Stunning. Is the Ogish campsite on the island? "



That shot is from the northeastmost site... it is in the burn area (barely) but this campsite wasn't touched.


Ogish island site... near Mueller Lake portage
 
SaganagaJoe
12/31/2018 11:35AM
 






Hyas Lake would be a good canoeing lake! This is Jade Lake, at a much higher elevation (5400 feet) on the same hiking trip. Quite possibly one of the most beautiful spots I've ever visited or will visit.
 
lindylair
12/31/2018 08:40PM
 
Great shots Joe, I envy your opportunity to see such incredible places and your ability to capture them so wonderfully.


Gary, nice camp shots, you seem to be able to take your shots to the next level.


Great job everyone, getting to 100 posts. The totals for the three previous months were 3, 5 and 6! Wondering if we can keep it going? I am certainly enjoying seeing all of your great photos and posting relevant ones as well. For those of us that have made it this far, i suspect photography is a passion, I know it is for me.




A few camp shots of mine:









Lake One









Fourtown Lake









Wake up view, Fourtown Lake









Moon over Horseshoe lake









Filtering water for morning coffee - Horseshoe Lake
 
MHS67
12/31/2018 09:41PM
 

Agreed, lots of great photos. First snow in the Sierras.
 
SaganagaJoe
12/31/2018 10:21PM
 
ghamer: "100 posts, mighty impressive!
Here are some camp site shots from this years trips...
Ogish
Kekekabic
Lake Agnes"



Stunning. Is the Ogish campsite on the island?