Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Group Forum: Woodland Caribou Provincial Park :: Claire's Corner - Ask The Expert!
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nctry |
Also, has the route including larus lake and Irvine including Larus Creek been visited by your crews since the snow down event. |
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Que |
My response will follow by e-mail as I have received your e-mail message as well. Note: avoiding people in WCPP is usually not a huge challenge, even at Leano. I'll be in touch. Claire |
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Que |
In a normal season, by July, the current is not nearly as strong and the Upper Chukuni is quite tame and lazy again. But we had flooded conditions for the last two seasons... floods that lingered well into fall. We are hoping for a break this year. Sorry this is all the info I have at this time. Perhaps I will get updates from park visitors before July rolls in. |
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nctry |
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Que |
The portages affected were the 750m from Murdock to Larus, the last 6 portages from the Royd/Murdock route and 4 portages at the top of the Irvine Loop. The NE and E shores of Irvine Lake are burnt also. Due to the intensity of the fire in these particular areas of the fire and the hazards associated with a burnt forest, traveling through here is not recommended until such time as a crew has had a chance to remove hazard trees and then clear the trails. Hazard tree removal was already done for the 750m between Larus and Murdock, in fact a new trail was flagged out but it is not cleared yet. We hope to return here within a week or so to finish it so that the Bloodvein River route may be opened to visitors again - first thing next season. The other trails will not be visited until early next summer. It is a changed landscape out there but all part of the natural cycle of the Boreal Forest. It will be very interesting to watch it grow again over the years. |
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Que |
Unfortunately, I have not received any reports from paddlers about the MinJim route this year. I did hear that a party had difficulty finding the portage into the creek system West of North Prairie which occurred when conditions were dryer. We have good water levels now. |
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KerryG |
We'll be beginning our trip this year starting August 8th, heading west, more or less, from Broken Arrow to Red Lake take out. Can you give me any updates on the condition of the MinJim route between Constellation and North Prairie? Much appreciated. |
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Que |
Encountered a major hick up in our maintenance efforts and we have had to put the Sabourin River and Upper Chukuni River on hold. Not sure that we will be able to get to these this season. Sorry... I thought you should know. |
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nctry |
And do you know the story of the guy who has the memorial on Crystal Lake? |
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Que |
WCPP If you wish, now that I have your potential route, I can send you a zoomed in section of this map focused on the Upper Chukuni access and the Leano/Aegean loop. Do you you intend on doing a loop from Olive if you go up the Chukuni River? What time of the season? The Chukuni can have some current in the spring, not so much later in the season. You would be traveling upstream. |
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SunCatcher |
It is my understanding that float planes will be limited to certain lakes, after a certain date, in 2011? I know you told me, but could you clarify the the lakes that float planes will be limited to? Welcome aboard and Thanks for all your help! SunCatcher (aka Paul) |
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Que |
Sabourin Lake Donald Lake Lower Artery Lake south half of Hansen Lake Please consider all lakes along the periphery of the park as options. These are Job, Robert in the north, Valhalla in the northeast, Dowswell, Eagle in the south, Garner, Obukowin, Gammon River west from the west. |
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Que |
Please do not hesitate to ask away. As many already know, I have a deep appreciation for WCPP and have a desire to see park visitors enjoy it and respect it as much as I do. I've worked in this park for 18 seasons now and never tire of it. I am humbled every time I visit the backcountry and never stop learning from it. Claire |
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Que |
Last season, some visitors were disappointed in this map... said they couldn't find the campsites as they were marked. Please remember that WCPP's campsites will likely not resemble the more frequently used campsites at more established parks. WCPP campsites are still quite primitive, may be hard to detect from the water... are generally not very large in size or overly trampled, and may or may not have firerings as markers. |
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HighnDry |
Lund Johnson Onnie Leano. It depends on what you intimate by safe parking. Are you thinking 'vandalism'? Nuisance bears might be your primary concern if you leave food in your vehicle but that's only at certain EPs. Just my two cents. |
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Que |
Yes I should be in Minneapolis again this April. I always look forward to meeting folks there. Come and drop in at the Ontario Parks booth. |
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SinglePortage |
Que: "SinglePortage... have you contacted the park office yet? I’d be more than happy to provide you details. Woodland.caribou.mnr@ontario.ca Claire: I will give the park office a call then. I am in the early planning stages at this point and I did not want to fall in love with a route only to find out later that my chosen access point is too rough for me to travel with the vehicle I will be using. Using an outfitter for transportation by land, water or air is not out of the question, I just want to know my options. Thanks, Jeff |
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kanoes |
we did a group solo out of leano last may and it certainly wont end up being my last trip to WCPP. its a special place for sure. jan |
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jcavenagh |
Fishing is secondary to the canoeing and camping. We will likely have 6-7 days on the water and I would like to get away from other people as much as reasonably possible. Of course, we are still very early in the planning. I definitely want to try and stay on flat water as much as possible. I have a fairly firm commitment from at least one Dad and his boy. They are boy scouts, and the Dad is in pretty good shape (better than me) so I think they may be able to handle the Onnie routes. The other possible pair is an experienced outdoorsman and his Eagle scout nephew. They have plenty of outdoors experience, but not so much canoeing or boreal camping experience I am looking at a couple possible routes and thought I would run this by you for your comments, suggestions, and recommendations. The main questions: 1. Can we expect to see fewer folks if we enter through Onnie? 2. Are the Onnie routes overly difficult for folks who are not experienced canoeists? 3. Is there some other route that you would suggest that would keep us away from other paddlers and the fly-in lodges? Route 1 - Onnie, Telescope, Optic, Glenn, Hansen, Rostoul, Cyclops and back. About 90-100km and 35 portages. Route 2 - Onnie to Glenn then back thru Mexican Hat, Jake, the Lunches, Bunny and out at Leano It is about 80-90km with 35 portages. Going in at Onnie gives a nice long stretch of paddling on Telescope that first day, but there is a 625m portage right at the start. Route 3 - Less attractive option may be an out and back Leano - Mexican Hat?? Not really sure that would be any easier than the other routes, except that it seems to be much more popular and so the portages are probably more well worn. The down side for us is that I would think that in the first half of August this route would have about the highest degree of traffic in the park. I see a lot of reports about folks going in at Leano and spending a lot of time around Mexican Hat and Burnt Rock. I'm thinking we might run into fewer other paddlers if we go in at Onnie. My goal is to not see other folks while in the park, to be truly alone out in the wilderness. That may be a little too much to ask for, but I think we can come pretty close. I remember my BW trips from the 70's. We would go days without seeing another person. I want to give that memory to my boy, too. Obviously there is no big rush. But any help you can give us would be appreciated. Thanks, Jim C |
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HighnDry |
If you have the capability to zoom in on any of these two options such that the view would include portages and campsites, that would be much appreciated. The fall back if water levels will be low, would be to do the southern route with a Leano entry. |
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bojibob |
Assistant Park Superintendent Woodland Caribou Prov. Park Box 5003, 227 Howey Street Red Lake, ON P0V 2M0 Tel: (807) 727-1388 e-mail: claire.quewezence@ontario.ca Post Messages for Clair under this thread and she will get an email and be able to respond |
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jcavenagh |
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Que |
Yes I just got back from Mpls Midwest Mountaineering Show. Road to Lund in usually in better shape than the Iriam. But we have not yet gone out to check it. There is one crossing near the access that usually requires good bottom clearing (water over the road). There is a parking area at Lund and has been safe leaving vehicle here. The Larus Creek from Irvine Lk to Larus Lake has not been visited by a crew since the storm. We expect that there are some down trees to clear across the river at its south end for a stretch. The river then soon meanders in open grass wetlands and free of debris for the rest of its journey to Larus. Entry at the Chukuni River shaves road travel by half. Paddling up the Chukuni will require at least overnight on Crown land before reaching the park boundary east of Olive Lake. Traveling upstream here is not recommended in early summer due to current. Hope this info helps. We will be checking out the roads soon and will update our roads condition report when we have details. |
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Que |
The "plane-like" piece of machinery you saw in 2 locations are retired wild rice harvesters - air boats. This year marks the first year where wild rice harvesting by non-aboriginals is no longer a permitted activity in this wilderness park. We are in communication with the owner to have these removed along with other operation equipment you might have noted (little cabin and content, other boats and old canoes). The removal of these items will be costly for the owner and will not be done overnight... but over a couple of seasons. The monument was erected in honor of a trapper that spent much of his life in the area. After his passing, his cabin and boats were being unlawfully used so they were removed. The monument was erected without our knowledge seeing that this area of Page-Peterson has only been recently added to the park. The monument will likely remain and we will continue to tell the story... |
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ZaraSp00k |
what are the office hours? |
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solotrip |
Try TJ's Gas Bar on hwy 105 or Red Lake Marine |
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Que |
There was a hint of spring today in Woodland Caribou Prov. Park. While it is true that we all have to be patient until the lake ice goes out (first part of May, latest), this is the perfect time to select a destination and start planning for another great wilderness paddling adventure. Do not hesitate to request up-to-date planning materials and ask questions as you explore the endless possibilities that Woodland Caribou has to offer. Use this message board, e-mail us at woodland.caribou.mnr@ontario.ca, phone us at (807) 727-1329, or follow us on Facebook. Visit the park's official website at WCPP |
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Longpaddler |
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Que |
Or be in touch with your outfitter. They have the park's canoe route map plus they may also suggest other maps worth considering. |
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PortageKeeper |
Tripped in WCPP last season... great park... love the short portages! I understand that there are plans of mapping some of the camp sites. Any chance that they could be placed on a map such as this (on this site) for planning purposes: link |
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jcavenagh |
I know we don't have to reserve specific campsites, but will they be mapped on the website? |
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adam |
Ultimately, the plan is to create an electronic campsite map where folks will have the ability to click on a site and view photos and read a detailed description of the particular site (# tent pads, exposure, swimming area, etc...). But we are not quite there yet. At this time, one must still use their observation skills and explore the shores to find the quaint little campsites where moss is thick and firewood still abundant. There are no plans to join the reservation system at this time as there is no need to reserve. Imagine that... no reservations needed, no entry quotas. Simply get a park permit and away you go. Permits can be obtained in advance by phone and e-mail, at the Ontario Park office in Red Lake during weekdays, or at one of our 2 self-serve kiosks - 1 at Four Seasons Sport Shop in Ear Falls and 1 at the entrance of the Heritage Centre in Red Lake. |
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adam |
"The park office can e-mail you a road map showing the park access and the network of roads leading to the access from the towns of Red Lake and Ear Falls in the south. Longlegged Rd starts at Ear Falls and will lead you to the Leano Access point in the south... it can be in rough shape. Best get a road condition change before traveling this road. It takes one a little over 2 hrs to drive from Ear Falls to Leano on this road. Most folks will drive the extra 45minute up Hwy 105 from Ear Falls to Red Lake, pick up last minute supplies, or stay one night in Red Lake, drop in the park office for changes perhaps, and from here it is 1 1/2 hrs to the Leano Access in the south end of the park. Park e-mail address is woodland.caribou.mnr@ontario.ca to request a road map and any other brochures and fact sheet you may want via e-mail. The 2011 Information Guide (newsletter) will be available this week." |
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ZaraSp00k |
what are the office hours of the Park office and the MNR office? |
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bojibob |
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Que |
When you obtain your permit from the park office, simply explain your situation. We are very flexible and reasonable. It is the wilderness after all. It is difficult to keep to a set plan especially on an extended trip as this one will be. You will be asked to provide your best guestimate, a permit will be issued accordingly, payment may be deferred till after the completion of your trip and then adjusted if need be. If an officer happens to make contact with you in the park and the dates do not quite mesh with what your permit indicates, the officer will be reasonable about this. He/she also has contact with the office if they need to verify the details. So... no worries. Plan away. Sounds like an awesome trip. Just ask away if you need any further clarification on routes, entry, permit, etc... |
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Alan Gage |
I'm hoping to do a multi-week trip this summer that will probably start and end near Red Lake but will also take me into Atikaki and down the Bloodvein and back. I don't think there will be a definite route or schedule so I won't know how many, or which, nights I'll be spending in WCPP ahead of time. Is there a way we can work around this? Could I leave you with a credit card number and be on the honor system to report when I get back or do something like check in each night via SPOT? Thoughts? Thanks, Alan |
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dpkesler |
I am trying to plan a trip to Woodland Caribou for next July/August with 4 other experienced BWCA paddlers. I looking for a route in which we can loop to and from a parking area. We are planning on 7 nights with one or two lay over days. We don't mind paddling hard on the days in which we travel. Thanks, Phil Kesler |
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Que |
There are endless options. Most first time visitors to WCPP like the southern 1/2 of the park due to the numerous interconnected routes in this area, smaller lakes, caribou habitat. In the north half, visitors have to commit to larger loops - although we are working hard at changing that in the future by opening up new routes, bit by bit. Anyway, an entry at Leano would put you in a good area for your first trip. Depending on whether or not you aim to fish and target walleye, you may want to dip south into the Kilburns and then westerly (walleye) or NW out of Leano toward Mexican Hat. If lake trout appeals to you, keep going west... plenty of lake trout water. Where you go depends largely on what your interests are. An outfitter would be able to tweak your route accordingly. Or else call our office for a few more details. Hope to hear from you soon... Claire |
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HighnDry |
Is there a finalized park map of the approved camp sites in the park? Just curious. Thanks! |
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Que |
Winter is lingering so far in the Red Lake region, with tale tell signs of spring. We expect a first week of May breakup in these parts... perhaps even 2nd week. Please visit: Canoeing.com to view the updates about Spring Break-Up 2018. |
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HighnDry |
Is the campsite map online by any chance? I thought I saw a link in a thread somewhere. |
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Que |
You may also read about road conditions to access roads on our message board on canoeing.com. |
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