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03/14/2020 04:37AM |
Speaking of the virus, what is up with the run on TP ? Do people realize that this is a respiratory illness ? I mean, TP is for the other end. And do you need what seems to amount to a roll a day ? I moseyed up to the emporium of food yesterday, and sure enough they were all out. Since we have a decent supply, I ended up with a couple of boxes of Kleenex, of which there was plenty, just in case. Didn't look for wipes or anything like that, so I can't say what was in the store, but did see plenty of paper towels.
Come on folks, get a grip. Yeah, it will probably get worse (given our governments response), but I don't think it will be the end of civilization. Stock up on canned goods and other food, maybe, but TP ?
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03/16/2020 06:13PM |
nofish: "OMGitsKa: "Sorry but haven't you been uh... following the news? Things were clearly heading south for a few weeks now. All the people who posted earlier about all their trips were still going to take was just absolutely crazy. "
Of course we followed the news. Given my wifes line of work we were probably more informed on the risk of international than most. We knew the risk associated with contracting the virus and the potential of some closures once we were there.
"
"Give your wife's line of work, and being more informed on the risk of international travel than most". Maybe you should have canceled the trip and cut your loses there.
If you ask me it was kind of a selfish move on your part to even try and leave the country with the current condition in the world.
The risk of infecting yourself and others when you return. Very selfish... are you a millennial ?
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03/16/2020 06:22PM |
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03/11/2020 10:13AM |
It’s coming at an exponential speed: gradually, and then suddenly.
It’s a matter of days. Maybe a week or two.
When it does, your healthcare system will be overwhelmed.
Your fellow citizens will be treated in the hallways.
Exhausted healthcare workers will break down. Some will die.
They will have to decide which patient gets the oxygen and which one dies.
The only way to prevent this is social distancing today. Not tomorrow. Today.
That means keeping as many people home as possible, starting now.
Source: Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now
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03/09/2020 10:58AM |
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03/09/2020 11:09AM |
sedges: "Trip plan? No. My July trip is on. My menu might change if prepers buy up all the freeze dried food! Its back-ordered, we'll see."
Sounds like a perfect time to buy food dehydrater. It's a lot of fun, cheaper than freeze-dried. Tastes better, bigger portions, no back order. What more can I say!
Tom
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03/09/2020 05:28PM |
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03/11/2020 03:23PM |
paddlinjoe: "LindenTree: "I was going to go to Goodland, MN to pick up my canoe but had to change my plans, I hear its a hot spot for Corona and Limes."
I love the bacon from Fred’s in Goodland!"
Well if Bacon and Beer can cure this thing, I’m good to go. You practically named my diet.
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03/14/2020 03:23PM |
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03/14/2020 03:35PM |
nctry: "KarlBAndersen1: "Yes - I'm going to stay at Ben Cardelli's all summer."
Yikes!!! I better stock up on toilet paper!"
I'm not sure how to take that.
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03/14/2020 03:55PM |
KarlBAndersen1: "nctry: "KarlBAndersen1: "Yes - I'm going to stay at Ben Cardelli's all summer."
Yikes!!! I better stock up on toilet paper!"
I'm not sure how to take that."
I hope it doesn't come down to the last roll left situation.
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03/10/2020 06:13PM |
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03/10/2020 08:28AM |
preacherdave: "No change here. Trip in May to Brule. October trip to Siberia. Think it’s too cold there for any virus. Not sure if I’d still go to Europe though."
FYI
heat kills virus, they thrive in cold, why do you think they call it "catching a cold"? although yeah, at some point they probably go dormant but I wouldn't bet on even Siberian cold to do it
bacteria are opposite, thrive in heat, go dormant in cold
you are welcome :)
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03/17/2020 11:38AM |
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03/09/2020 03:13PM |
I didn't have any spring break trips planned other than Canoecopia where I will touch very little and wash my hands a lot :)
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03/09/2020 03:28PM |
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03/17/2020 11:43AM |
It's cool that we're related!*
*This is how I know we're related. You wrote, "And yes somedays I am short with common sense." ME TOO! ;-)
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03/13/2020 07:59AM |
Tony
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03/13/2020 08:09AM |
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03/12/2020 03:23PM |
Spartan2: "Stumpy: "I'm tired of the sky falling."
So am I. But I cannot ignore it."
True that.
I'm in charge of public facilities, been as pro active as I can be.
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03/12/2020 10:50AM |
Panic - no.
Preparedness - yes.
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03/09/2020 11:38AM |
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03/12/2020 03:54AM |
The other problem with this virus is it is very contagious, and the number of cases grows geometrically without public health measures (travel bans, quarantines, etc), with cases doubling every 5 days. If you do the math, you can quickly get to the point where hospitals are overwhelmed. This is where italy is at now. Death rate can easily skyrocket if they continue to get more cases and overwhelm the limited number of hospital beds. At that point, EVERYTHING shuts down. I think Italy just shut down all stores except restaurants and pharmacies.
It’s not that the death rate in Italy is very high compared to, say, the normal flu. But rather that the virus spreads so fast that you have to shut things down before you overwhelm the hospitals.
In the USA, the virus has now spread first by international air travel, then by domestic air travel, and now potentially by mass transit, large gatherings, schools, etc. Pretty soon maybe just by stopping for fast food. Without all those things shut down in a timely manner, its possible we end up like Italy very soon. In that case even some BWCA trips become impossible.
But who knows?
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03/10/2020 10:32AM |
Good time to buy plane tickets.
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03/13/2020 04:46PM |
Savage Voyageur: "If they cancel the NFL season because of this, then it will officially be the end of the world for me. "
The calendar should be on its side, unlike the XFL (which i was actually enjoying).
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03/12/2020 06:06AM |
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03/14/2020 06:07AM |
WhiteWolf: "Pinetree: " I will admit even tho we have a Costco store in my town,I never been in a Costco. I know why now.
Costco store Today South Carolina:
People bumping carts into each other, people snarling at each other because somebody else got to the toilet paper, or the water, or the freaking paper towels before them," Carignan said in a video to his social media followers after finishing his shopping.
Though Carignan said he didn't see anyone physically assault anyone, he did see two women "passive-aggressively" argue over the last packs of toilet paper.
"I've never experienced adults acting like children in a maximum capacity like that," Carignan said.
This is the scene at many grocery stores across South Carolina and the rest of the country amid the coronavirus outbreak. "
TO show how susceptible some people are to "panic" (studies have shown that in dire situations - 12.5% of people panic- 12.5% of people LEAD and 75 % need direction from the LEADERS ) -- this hoarding of TP ( and other items) which does little or nothing for the Wuhan Bat Sh!T is literally because of peer pressure and the absurd media.. People are literally buying toilet paper because other people are. That's the 1/8th that are freaking out. I respect the bat crap that came from China, but not changing stuff up and booked a BWCAW trip with my son in early June and his school district just (very wise imo) decided to keep kids in school understanding the repercussions (balance) of parents not being able to work and making things worse if kids are held out of school. The panic room of the 1/8th-- HA!!"
As a demi-member of the media and someone who accesses a lot of media, I'm confused by your use of "the absurd media." Have you read or heard the media encouraging people to purchase superfluous toilet paper? I know it's reported by the media, but then the descriptor "absurd" applies to the hoarders. Applying it to the media for simply reporting it is like calling the media violent when they report violence.
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03/14/2020 06:12AM |
TomT: "Stumpy: "I'm tired of the sky falling."
I'm torn on this. On one hand the coverage is oppressive right now. On the other hand, we clearly need to act or we could end up overwhelming our hospitals causing a snowball effect and harming other sick or injured people who need a bed or attention. So yes, the situation is serious. To think it's "no big deal" is just being naive to how this virus spreads. Double a penny every day for 30 days and see what happens. It grows exponentially. We don't act and this is what would happen.
This is 15 minutes (video) with a person with extensive experience with infectious disease.
Michael Osterholm on Joe Rogan
"
At another website, a South Korean statistician and professor keeps harping on the ubiquitous inability of people to grasp exponential growth.
If anything, the savagery of this disease on the elderly is under-reported. Pay particular attention to the first two bar graphs in this article and fear for our elders.
I am struggling to get my parents to bunker in their houses. Triage is underway in Italy and the nurses and doctors sure aren't prioritizing the elderly, which means the elderly have to prioritize their health and stay inside.
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03/14/2020 06:16AM |
I think I have said before that I am puzzled by the run on bottled water.
We probably wouldn't have stayed at home this much, as my husband seems to think everyone is overreacting. . .but now there is nowhere to go. All of our activities are canceled, at least until mid-April, and some beyond that.
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03/13/2020 06:42AM |
mirth: "My HS senior's trips for second looks at colleges during & after spring break have all been postponed or canceled. I have a feeling the kid will have to decide on which university to attend in the fall without it."
it's cute that you are optimistic about the university being open next fall
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03/09/2020 05:44PM |
See y'all in Madison!
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03/20/2020 06:38AM |
bhouse46: "At first we denied, then minimized and justified. I did all of it coming to terms with the idea with the bulk of us. If we self isolate we will reduce the impact so I am hunkered down at home planning tasks here and will get some extra local paddling. I thought about a local trip, but decided against it. I do not want to be anywhere but home if it hits me. "
I think you're the only one, bhouse46, who shifted your thinking and approach.
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03/17/2020 07:17AM |
Thanks too for giving nofish some love.
Thanks too to X2J for easing nofish's way.
As Linda noted, this is "the spring of many disappointments."
George, I agree that we should be "changing all our plans this thing is no joke." I look at current photos of Madrid and Rome and fill with sadness and relief, for people there are taking precautions, and then I look at current photos of American bars filled with people and am filled with sadness and concern.
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03/13/2020 07:18AM |
ZaraSp00k: "mirth: "My HS senior's trips for second looks at colleges during & after spring break have all been postponed or canceled. I have a feeling the kid will have to decide on which university to attend in the fall without it."
it's cute that you are optimistic about the university being open next fall"
Well, Zara, I generally share your pessimism, but coronavirus is a virus and flu and cold season happens because we cluster and share air. We'll be scattering soon because of the spring and summer and that might help.
However, deep into fall and into early winter, I expect the virus will reassert itself. At this point, we don't even know if having the virus once produces immunity and there are two strains, one more lethal than the other.
I expect the coronavirus to remake our country and world and although the Black Death was much more deadly, I've been reading about how it reshaped that time, from architecture, which went full Gothic gloomy, as did literature, and even the air became cleaner and cooler, as lead smelting was greatly reduced and trees grew where people had once farmed, decreasing the carbon dioxide in the air.
I see demographic shifts coming, as well as political.
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03/17/2020 07:43AM |
missmolly: "And thanks for fixing it, Lynda!
Thanks too for giving nofish some love.
Thanks too to X2J for easing nofish's way.
As Linda noted, this is "the spring of many disappointments."
George, I agree that we should be "changing all our plans this thing is no joke." I look at current photos of Madrid and Rome and fill with sadness and relief, for people there are taking precautions, and then I look at current photos of American bars filled with people and am filled with sadness and concern. "
That last part. It is going to be crazy I think in around 10 days. That is about how long it took for Wuhan to explode if I recall right. And they were under complete lockdown after day 3.. That is why I made that other thread. It just seems like we are going to be the worst of all the countries as far as cases go. Lack of care about the "flu".
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03/12/2020 10:50AM |
Who knows where this thing will be in a couple months when the water is open?
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03/11/2020 07:50AM |
missmolly: "ZaraSp00k: "I haven't stopped going to my health club, at least not yet anyway.
But then I only am in the yoga room and bring my own mat.
I also haven't stopped going to the grocery store or the gas station.
Or work.
But you won't catch me in a bar, restaurant, church, sporting event, movie, or concert.
and for certain not a bus or the LRT.
"
I'm with Zara. I still go grocery shopping, but try to avoid other places where people cluster. They're already practicing triage in Italy, letting some die to treat others. "
Could you post the source of that info?
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03/09/2020 08:19PM |
giddyup: "I just sent my son and his dog off in his packed up SUV this morning to Seattle to live and start a new job. I wish I could have changed his plans for him, not only because of the virus but because I’m missing him terribly already. But that’s not how it works. I’ll be going to see him in a couple of months, virus or no virus. "
I know how you feel. A few years ago my daughter took an internship in DC right after graduation. She now lives further south, in Alexandria, and probably won't move back to WI as she is now engaged. Last year my son packed his truck & took a seasonal summer job in Idaho, and now a winter job in Utah. He'll be back in Idaho in a few weeks. He loves it out there. They couldn't be much farther apart. Miss them both every day, but they are doing what they enjoy, so I can't say anything.
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03/12/2020 09:51AM |
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03/17/2020 08:43AM |
Now that we are home we are self isolating to ensure that our decision doesn't have any implications for others. Before I left I had already made plans to do so including arranging for 2 weeks of working from home and keeping kids home from school and daycare. Although now all of those things are the norm for everyone regardless.
So far we are enjoying a lot of family time and using the situation as a learning moment for both kids. While we may not be able to have contact with people we are still fully embracing the idea that nature never closes. Our afternoon plans include hiking down to a local park/nature area with some garbage bags to clean up some of the garbage that always seems to collect throughout the winter.
Hopefully everyone is finding their own ways to remain safe and combat boredom. This community may be able to do some real good to help everyone stay connected given the isolation that many of us are facing. Stay healthy.
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03/17/2020 09:25AM |
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03/12/2020 11:51AM |
jillpine: "To the extent that my world is not the same world it was 48 hours, or even 24 hours prior, yes - this virus has changed my plans.
Panic - no.
Preparedness - yes.
"
Well stated.
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03/12/2020 11:46AM |
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03/13/2020 09:26AM |
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03/13/2020 10:29AM |
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03/14/2020 03:15PM |
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03/11/2020 10:05AM |
Silver Solution, that is.
Silver Solution televangelist scam
Silver Solution televangelist scam fn
I think this may represent an even lower life form than a politician - the televangelist shill for coronavirus snake oil.
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03/10/2020 06:33AM |
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03/12/2020 01:03PM |
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03/10/2020 07:43AM |
Maybe people I'm talking to are really worried and their just lying to me to make me feel better about my decision. Or maybe its a relatively small group of doomsdayers out there buying up all the lysol and bottled water.
Either way we'll be on a plan in 36 hours headed for Paris.
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03/10/2020 08:24AM |
I haven't changed a thing in my life, but feel that might not be so smart going forward. I was at a big work event last week and shook about 100 hands...I was at a Blackhawks game Sunday with a full crowd...I go to the gym every morning and work out and shower there...my wife teaches at a HS and I have 3 kids also in school every day. I feel I'm almost going out of my way to expose myself to crap and maybe should think about some changes...
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03/10/2020 08:29AM |
Going to Vegas April 13. Still going.
Entering into Cross Bay Lake May 17. Still going.
I'm with Savage Voyageur: this is about hype. The media loves a good crisis story, and Americans seem to eat it up. This virus story is also an excellent opportunity for competition in virtue-signaling: who can show that they are "safer" and "care more" by taking steps that likely have very little effect on the actual spread of the virus.
Oh well.
Mike
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03/10/2020 09:19AM |
Spartan2: "
And I hope you have a wonderful time. I think, perhaps, the fact that you are a young family makes people less likely to tell you to stay home.
If you think about folks like us, mid-70's, with serious chronic health issues. . .that makes it a harder call. So far Michigan has no cases, and that seems to make me more inclined to stay home. But we still plan our road trip to northern Minnesota in June, and I think it would take a lot for us to cancel that.
I also think that calling it "hype" may be a bit dismissive, too. Perhaps "hype" for healthy younger people. For someone immune-suppressed (like my husband who had a kidney transplant), someone with heart issues, it is a different situation. It's heck getting old! ;-(
"
There is for sure no single right answer, each person has their own circumstances that they need to factor in. If we had underlying health issues or were 30 years older our decision would have likely been a lot different.
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03/10/2020 08:58AM |
nofish: "Its interesting that when I talk to people about my trip to France they all act like I shouldn't change my plans and think it makes sense that we're still going. It gives me the sense that people aren't as worried about coronavirus. And yet we're still seeing a run on any type of cleaning supply, medications, bottled water, etc.
Maybe people I'm talking to are really worried and their just lying to me to make me feel better about my decision. Or maybe its a relatively small group of doomsdayers out there buying up all the lysol and bottled water.
Either way we'll be on a plan in 36 hours headed for Paris. "
And I hope you have a wonderful time. I think, perhaps, the fact that you are a young family makes people less likely to tell you to stay home.
If you think about folks like us, mid-70's, with serious chronic health issues. . .that makes it a harder call. So far Michigan has no cases, and that seems to make me more inclined to stay home. But we still plan our road trip to northern Minnesota in June, and I think it would take a lot for us to cancel that.
I also think that calling it "hype" may be a bit dismissive, too. Perhaps "hype" for healthy younger people. For someone immune-suppressed (like my husband who had a kidney transplant), someone with heart issues, it is a different situation. It's heck getting old! ;-(
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03/11/2020 11:37AM |
if the great scourges of centuries ago are any indication, one person can get it and die while the next will recover fine, although millions died, many survived it unaffected, and keep in mind they didn't even understand how disease spread back then, nor have anything but prayer to fight it
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03/23/2020 02:29AM |
If I am allowed vacation and the BWCA is open I won't cancel my plans but maybe I won't push so far into the wilderness on my solo in case I was to get sick while in the BWCA.
I want to be able to get myself out fast if I start exhibiting symptoms.
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03/19/2020 09:27AM |
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03/13/2020 05:22PM |
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03/10/2020 11:04AM |
HowardSprague: "
Good time to buy plane tickets.
"
It sure is. When we were considering changing our trip dates we looked at what the new tickets could potentially cost. A trip to Paris in the middle of typical tourist season was going for about $500, thats $100 cheaper than we booked for in last June and we are going during the slower time and we got a great deal compared to what most flights were going for at the time.
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03/12/2020 05:34PM |
My family trip to Switzerland & the UK in 12 weeks is likely off.
Have a family member (wife's side) who is a PhD immunologist. He's feeling better but came down with CV 9 days ago, likely vector was a conference on the east coast. He's still sequestered at their family cabin alone (Pac-NW) & running out of things to watch on netflix.
If the Canada border is open in 9.5 weeks and we're all healthy, still going paddling.
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03/10/2020 11:10AM |
nofish: "Its interesting that when I talk to people about my trip to France they all act like I shouldn't change my plans and think it makes sense that we're still going. It gives me the sense that people aren't as worried about coronavirus. And yet we're still seeing a run on any type of cleaning supply, medications, bottled water, etc.
Maybe people I'm talking to are really worried and their just lying to me to make me feel better about my decision. Or maybe its a relatively small group of doomsdayers out there buying up all the lysol and bottled water.
Either way we'll be on a plan in 36 hours headed for Paris. "
Reminds me of Y2K. I worked part time at an army surplus store and we sold so many MRE’s and generators in December that the owner gave me a $1500.00 Christmas bonus. Lowe’s and home depot even went to a no return policy on generators. I would guess that in a few months people are going to be returning a lot of cases of freeze dried foods and disinfectants.
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03/12/2020 06:48PM |
We respect that social
isolation is the way to contain this pandemic
so we are going cross country two humans and a dog and a trailer
We have food and can limit human contact
Rio Grande here we come
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03/13/2020 10:01PM |
Costco store Today South Carolina:
People bumping carts into each other, people snarling at each other because somebody else got to the toilet paper, or the water, or the freaking paper towels before them," Carignan said in a video to his social media followers after finishing his shopping.
Though Carignan said he didn't see anyone physically assault anyone, he did see two women "passive-aggressively" argue over the last packs of toilet paper.
"I've never experienced adults acting like children in a maximum capacity like that," Carignan said.
This is the scene at many grocery stores across South Carolina and the rest of the country amid the coronavirus outbreak.
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03/13/2020 10:38PM |
yellowcanoe: "Not really
We respect that social
isolation is the way to contain this pandemic
so we are going cross country two humans and a dog and a trailer
We have food and can limit human contact
Rio Grande here we come"
You clearly don't respect anybody, you're part of the problem. Classic boomer mentality.
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03/14/2020 02:18AM |
Pinetree: " I will admit even tho we have a Costco store in my town,I never been in a Costco. I know why now.
Costco store Today South Carolina:
People bumping carts into each other, people snarling at each other because somebody else got to the toilet paper, or the water, or the freaking paper towels before them," Carignan said in a video to his social media followers after finishing his shopping.
Though Carignan said he didn't see anyone physically assault anyone, he did see two women "passive-aggressively" argue over the last packs of toilet paper.
"I've never experienced adults acting like children in a maximum capacity like that," Carignan said.
This is the scene at many grocery stores across South Carolina and the rest of the country amid the coronavirus outbreak. "
TO show how susceptible some people are to "panic" (studies have shown that in dire situations - 12.5% of people panic- 12.5% of people LEAD and 75 % need direction from the LEADERS ) -- this hoarding of TP ( and other items) which does little or nothing for the Wuhan Bat Sh!T is literally because of peer pressure and the absurd media.. People are literally buying toilet paper because other people are. That's the 1/8th that are freaking out. I respect the bat crap that came from China, but not changing stuff up and booked a BWCAW trip with my son in early June and his school district just (very wise imo) decided to keep kids in school understanding the repercussions (balance) of parents not being able to work and making things worse if kids are held out of school. The panic room of the 1/8th-- HA!!
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03/16/2020 06:31PM |
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03/16/2020 06:46PM |
lindylair: "This is awesome news...couldn't tell by the article but are campgrounds and camper cabins still open as well?"
state parks, campgrounds and other natural places will remain open, DNR spokesman Chris Niskanen said in a news release. Still, expect some changes upon visiting because of safety measures related to the coronavirus.
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03/16/2020 06:47PM |
Bars and Resturants closing in Minnesota
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03/16/2020 06:58PM |
nofish: "missmolly: "Ouch, nofish. If you're willing, post your snail mail address and I'll send you fifty bucks to take a little bite out of your big financial bite. "
That is a very generous offer missmolly. We'll be ok, while it was a financial hit and we for sure had other plans for that money we'll be able to absorb the loss. If you're so inclined you can do me a favor and donate that money somewhere that might be able to help those being laid off, losing hours, or having to stay home to care for children without getting paid. They probably need the help more than I do. "
I'm taking a hundred bucks to a local restaurant tomorrow. I'll make it $150 while thinking of you.
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03/18/2020 10:42AM |
scotttimm: "greywolf33: "I suspect that in late December many children will be born as a result of people self-quarantining and social distancing. Let's call them "Coronannials"."
And in the 2030's, they'll be known as "quaranteens"..."
Now, that's witty!
Sincerely,
A nitwit
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03/11/2020 10:04PM |
MikeinMpls: "I'm going to Vienna and Budapest in two weeks. My wife is freaking out, but I'm not worried about a thing. I'm going.
Going to Vegas April 13. Still going.
Entering into Cross Bay Lake May 17. Still going.
I'm with Savage Voyageur: this is about hype. The media loves a good crisis story, and Americans seem to eat it up. This virus story is also an excellent opportunity for competition in virtue-signaling: who can show that they are "safer" and "care more" by taking steps that likely have very little effect on the actual spread of the virus.
Oh well.
Mike"
If you’re still going I doubt you will be going to Vegas. The travel ban is only 30 days for now but who knows how long that could be extended.
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03/16/2020 07:01PM |
podgeo: "nofish: "OMGitsKa: "Sorry but haven't you been uh... following the news? Things were clearly heading south for a few weeks now. All the people who posted earlier about all their trips were still going to take was just absolutely crazy. "
Of course we followed the news. Given my wifes line of work we were probably more informed on the risk of international than most. We knew the risk associated with contracting the virus and the potential of some closures once we were there.
"
"Give your wife's line of work, and being more informed on the risk of international travel than most". Maybe you should have canceled the trip and cut your loses there.
If you ask me it was kind of a selfish move on your part to even try and leave the country with the current condition in the world.
The risk of infecting yourself and others when you return. Very selfish... are you a millennial ? "
nofish already feels bad and you choose to try and make him feel worse, George.
This is just a cheap shot: "are you a millennial ?"
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03/16/2020 08:28PM |
podgeo: "nofish: "OMGitsKa: "Sorry but haven't you been uh... following the news? Things were clearly heading south for a few weeks now. All the people who posted earlier about all their trips were still going to take was just absolutely crazy. "
Of course we followed the news. Given my wifes line of work we were probably more informed on the risk of international than most. We knew the risk associated with contracting the virus and the potential of some closures once we were there.
"
"Give your wife's line of work, and being more informed on the risk of international travel than most". Maybe you should have canceled the trip and cut your loses there.
If you ask me it was kind of a selfish move on your part to even try and leave the country with the current condition in the world.
The risk of infecting yourself and others when you return. Very selfish... are you a millennial ? "
Nope not a millennial and frankly I don't care what you think about my decision. We made a decision based on all the current info we had including potential risks based on what we had seen in other countries. We understood the risk of infection and had planned self isolation upon our return regardless. We talked about the potential of travel bans like had been implemented for China and Italy and we knew first hand how those had been handled and what implications they had for US travelers. We just didnt account for the possibility of the President incorrectly describing the ban in his speech. While it sucks to miss out on the vacation and lose the money that we did we knew there was risk involved and we accept that. Call me selfish if you'd like, doesnt bother me in the least.
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03/19/2020 03:45PM |
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03/09/2020 02:45PM |
My family is planning on the Alps, GB & Iceland in June/July. Will see when we get closer.
But do not mess with my Ontario paddling trips!
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03/16/2020 08:52PM |
nofish: "podgeo: "nofish: "OMGitsKa: "Sorry but haven't you been uh... following the news? Things were clearly heading south for a few weeks now. All the people who posted earlier about all their trips were still going to take was just absolutely crazy. "
Of course we followed the news. Given my wifes line of work we were probably more informed on the risk of international than most. We knew the risk associated with contracting the virus and the potential of some closures once we were there.
"
"Give your wife's line of work, and being more informed on the risk of international travel than most". Maybe you should have canceled the trip and cut your loses there.
If you ask me it was kind of a selfish move on your part to even try and leave the country with the current condition in the world.
The risk of infecting yourself and others when you return. Very selfish... are you a millennial ? "
Nope not a millennial and frankly I don't care what you think about my decision. We made a decision based on all the current info we had including potential risks based on what we had seen in other countries. We understood the risk of infection and had planned self isolation upon our return regardless. We talked about the potential of travel bans like had been implemented for China and Italy and we knew first hand how those had been handled and what implications they had for US travelers. We just didnt account for the possibility of the President incorrectly describing the ban in his speech. While it sucks to miss out on the vacation and lose the money that we did we knew there was risk involved and we accept that. Call me selfish if you'd like, doesnt bother me in the least."
Nofish, many people in this thread and other similar threads have said they weren't going to change their travel plans. If George wants to judge others, he should be critical of all who were determined to vacation away.
Plus, for all the talk about how we're a paddling family, why isn't anyone else willing to stand up for their paddling brother? As far as I can recall, nofish, you've always been kind to others at bwca.com.
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03/14/2020 05:53AM |
The food shelf we buy for is having trouble buying items for those in need due to hoarding. It affects me but not directly hurting me personally.
The TP panic is disappointing to see...at least locally my sports radio show station had infectious disease experts on all day (since there are no sports) as did a lot of the local media outlets to try to educate people and dispel myths. That was very encouraging to see. I listened to 4 infectious disease experts yesterday in various outlets and they all had the same message that state, local and federal responses have been good...better than our response to H1N1. They did make fun of all the TP buyers:) I feel bad for those that are just plain out and need some and maybe can’t get it.
Every disease expert said you can’t get it from just being around infected people. You need to have someone sneeze or cough on you, hence the reason to stay 6 feet away...that is the max it can travel from a cough or sneeze. Or you get it from touching a surface someone coughed or sneezed on and then touching to your face or mouth. Practice good hygiene and your risk goes down. If infected—even if you don’t know you are— Practice good hygiene and your risk of spreading to others goes significantly down. Don’t cough or sneeze into your hand. Wash your hands...wash your hands! Early evidence is that we are most contagious before we really know we are feeling very sick or some don’t feel sick at all. So once again practice good hand hygiene for the sake of those that can’t tolerate this disease.
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03/16/2020 09:30PM |
no fish--quote
Nope not a millennial and frankly I don't care what you think about my decision. We made a decision based on all the current info we had including potential risks based on what we had seen in other countries. We understood the risk of infection and had planned self isolation upon our return regardless. We talked about the potential of travel bans like had been implemented for China and Italy and we knew first hand how those had been handled and what implications they had for US travelers. We just didnt account for the possibility of the President incorrectly describing the ban in his speech. While it sucks to miss out on the vacation and lose the money that we did we knew there was risk involved and we accept that. Call me selfish if you'd like, doesnt bother me in the least."
And I'm ok with that its your decision. If you knew the risk and that it may cost you $3000+ I guess I wouldn't be complaining about it on here. Life goes on
Sorry if I ruffled your feathers
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03/09/2020 04:01PM |
Was planning on making Canoecopia this year after my trip to Mayo. Having CLL it seem wise to avoid crowds. Beside my daughter would kill me if I went now.
Wishing all that go a good time!
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03/18/2020 03:57PM |
nofish: "Being stuck in the house for days or weeks on end with the kids will be an extremely effective form of birth control for all current parents. "
Truth. Very unhappy truth.
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03/17/2020 05:34AM |
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03/17/2020 05:35AM |
The result was not good which was part of the risk that he stated he was ok with taking. It's pretty much simple as that for me.
I do feel podgeo is being way too aggressive for no reason. But he might just be one of the people more scared by this. Fear makes normal people act differently than they otherwise would.
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03/13/2020 04:27AM |
We had a wonderful ribbon-cutting ceremony at the new Billman Pavilion, MSU College of Music, on April 17th, which has been "postponed to a later date."
Lots of changes.
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03/12/2020 06:45AM |
paddlinjoe: "LindenTree: "I was going to go to Goodland, MN to pick up my canoe but had to change my plans, I hear its a hot spot for Corona and Limes."
I love the bacon from Fred’s in Goodland!"
Couldn't agree more with Fred's. Best in the state.
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03/14/2020 04:26PM |
giddyup: "I just sent my son and his dog off in his packed up SUV this morning to Seattle to live and start a new job. I wish I could have changed his plans for him, not only because of the virus but because I’m missing him terribly already. But that’s not how it works. I’ll be going to see him in a couple of months, virus or no virus. "
Go hiking when you’re there! Pm if you want some good spots.
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03/17/2020 06:00AM |
"Well, missmolly, I did think about it. But it seemed to me that this thread was going in a direction that would lead to further arguing and testiness. I have, in the past, been warned by the mods about getting into arguments and being testy. I am a naturally argumentative person. Just ask my husband, who has been cooped up with me already for 8 weeks, and now must anticipate another eight! ;-)
nofish is a good person, and I agree that he has been kind on here. He has a young family. We first met nofish when they stayed in a cabin next to ours at Rockwood. I am very sorry about his trip, and especially the unnecessary difficulties they had in returning. But as this thread has developed, it occurs to me that he is more than capable of speaking up for himself and answering criticism.
We are all coping the best way we know how. And this is going to go down in history as the "spring of many disappointments." Sigh."
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03/12/2020 06:57AM |
"When his sister died after contracting the novel coronavirus, Luca Franzese thought that things couldn’t get much worse.
Then, for more than 36 hours, the Italian actor and mixed martial arts trainer was trapped at home with Teresa Franzese’s decaying body, unable to find a funeral home that would bury her.
“I have my sister in bed, dead, I don’t know what to do,” Franzese said in a Facebook video over the weekend, pleading for help. “I cannot give her the honor she deserves because the institutions have abandoned me. I contacted everyone, but nobody was able to give me an answer.”
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03/18/2020 05:55PM |
schuetpa: "Straighthairedandcurly which FRC team do you mentor/coach? I am also a former coach current mentor of Charger Robotics 5348 and we qualified for worlds week two at Lake Superior. Back to back years qualifying when never having a real great season before the last two. Kids are bummed but understand. I feel bad for teams which never even competed in a regional or district event at least we got to compete. But got to keep eye on bigger picture and it was very logical to cancel the season. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSWOhuwWo38&t=2s"
Our FRC team 3630 (The Stampede) went t Worlds last year and I got to be a chaperone. The teams I actually coach are at the FLL level.
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03/17/2020 06:44AM |
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03/11/2020 02:51AM |
LindenTree: "I was going to go to Goodland, MN to pick up my canoe but had to change my plans, I hear its a hot spot for Corona and Limes."
LOL!! I spent the day with that fella last week! I'm doomed.
I'm not changing any plans due to the virus but then I don't have any international travel planned for the rest of the year.
I head to the BWCA in May and since I work in a hospital I'll probably be safer in the BWCA.
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03/09/2020 05:35PM |
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03/09/2020 05:53PM |
LindenTree: "I was going to go to Goodland, MN to pick up my canoe but had to change my plans, I hear its a hot spot for Corona and Limes."
That may be one hot spot I want to visit!
Currently my plans are unchanged. Leaving for Utah on Monday to visit Bryce (BlueSkiesWI.) We'll be doing some Xc skiing, snowshoeing, hiking to some hot springs, and a lot of driving to get there. Just taking wipes/sanitizer for those public areas.
Then I'll be flying to Alexandria VA , via Reagan airport in DC, to visit my daughter and shop for wedding dresses in a few weeks. I don't relish the idea of being stuck in a metal tube with people who have unknown issues, or the possibility of air travel being suspended while I'm there, or a quarantine (really, can you imagine being trapped out east). And I don't want to bring anything back- my mom has serious health issues- . So I will watch and see what it is like in a few weeks, make my decision then, and if I go I will try to use caution, and then stay away from mom for a few weeks when I get back.
I have no concerns going in to the BW other than the normal what happens if I get sick up there thoughts, and using public stores etc along the way.
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03/09/2020 06:01PM |
Just got back today from ten days in Texas.
Taking the grandkids to Florida in two weeks for spring break.
Two weeks on Hilton head instead of Japan in April
Week in Paris, then a cruise to Ireland/ Scotland, then ten days driving around Ireland in September.
We are both in our late sixties in pretty good health, so I think we are relatively safe. I would also guess we will have a immunization available by the time we go to Ireland in September. I think the testing and research is being accelerated to get this done as quickly as possible.
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03/09/2020 06:30PM |
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03/11/2020 06:00AM |
But then I only am in the yoga room and bring my own mat.
I also haven't stopped going to the grocery store or the gas station.
Or work.
But you won't catch me in a bar, restaurant, church, sporting event, movie, or concert.
and for certain not a bus or the LRT.
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03/12/2020 07:51AM |
MikeinMpls: "I'm going to Vienna and Budapest in two weeks. My wife is freaking out, but I'm not worried about a thing. I'm going.
Going to Vegas April 13. Still going.
Entering into Cross Bay Lake May 17. Still going.
I'm with Savage Voyageur: this is about hype. The media loves a good crisis story, and Americans seem to eat it up. This virus story is also an excellent opportunity for competition in virtue-signaling: who can show that they are "safer" and "care more" by taking steps that likely have very little effect on the actual spread of the virus.
Oh well.
Mike"
There also seems to be a competition of who cares the least.
As one of my favorite radio hosts would say we need to respect the virus but not fear it.
Taking zero precaution is just as damaging as over reacting.
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03/13/2020 07:24AM |
yellowcanoe: "Not really
We respect that social
isolation is the way to contain this pandemic
so we are going cross country two humans and a dog and a trailer
We have food and can limit human contact
Rio Grande here we come"
Be wary of every food, gas, and bathroom stop. The virus might survive for two hours in the air and up to two days on some surfaces.
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03/12/2020 08:04AM |
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03/18/2020 07:28PM |
nofish: "greywolf33: "I suspect that in late December many children will be born as a result of people self-quarantining and social distancing. Let's call them "Coronannials"."
The number of December babies will likely be limited to first time parents only. Being stuck in the house for days or weeks on end with the kids will be an extremely effective form of birth control for all current parents. "
Yep,... one of the best “stuck in the house” activities pretty much eliminated. And In homes which already include in-laws, .... forget it!
We were headed to Sanibel Island at the end of the month but were able to change our hotel res to June.
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03/18/2020 07:51PM |
HowardSprague: "nofish: "greywolf33: "I suspect that in late December many children will be born as a result of people self-quarantining and social distancing. Let's call them "Coronannials"."
The number of December babies will likely be limited to first time parents only. Being stuck in the house for days or weeks on end with the kids will be an extremely effective form of birth control for all current parents. "
Yep,... one of the best “stuck in the house” activities pretty much eliminated. And In homes which already include in-laws, .... forget it!
We were headed to Sanibel Island at the end of the month but were able to change our hotel res to June."
Oh man...I love Sanibel. Hope you get down there soon!
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03/11/2020 06:39AM |
ZaraSp00k: "I haven't stopped going to my health club, at least not yet anyway.
But then I only am in the yoga room and bring my own mat.
I also haven't stopped going to the grocery store or the gas station.
Or work.
But you won't catch me in a bar, restaurant, church, sporting event, movie, or concert.
and for certain not a bus or the LRT.
"
I'm with Zara. I still go grocery shopping, but try to avoid other places where people cluster. They're already practicing triage in Italy, letting some die to treat others.
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03/12/2020 07:51AM |
hobbydog: "MikeinMpls: "I'm going to Vienna and Budapest in two weeks. My wife is freaking out, but I'm not worried about a thing. I'm going.
Going to Vegas April 13. Still going.
Entering into Cross Bay Lake May 17. Still going.
I'm with Savage Voyageur: this is about hype. The media loves a good crisis story, and Americans seem to eat it up. This virus story is also an excellent opportunity for competition in virtue-signaling: who can show that they are "safer" and "care more" by taking steps that likely have very little effect on the actual spread of the virus.
Oh well.
Mike"
If you’re still going I doubt you will be going to Vegas. The travel ban is only 30 days for now but who knows how long that could be extended. "
Update: we had to postpone our trip to Europe. We made the decision not because of fear of catching the virus, but because Vienna, our first stop, closed all the places we wanted to visit. St. Stephen's Church and all the national galleries are closed. Additionally, all outside gatherings of more than 500 people, and inside gatherings of more than 100, have been prohibited. It just didn't make sense to go to a locked down country. So far we've received 100% refund from airline and lodging.
As for Vegas.... I just can't see Vegas voluntarily closing without some kind of once-in-a-thousand-years emergency order from somebody high in government. I realize I may eat my words.
Mike
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03/12/2020 12:01PM |
Frenchy19: "NHL has told all refs to book flights home and visiting teams are supposedly being told to head to the airport to await further instructions. "
Yep, NHL is cancelling too.
Canoecopia is still on at of an hour ago - but I think I am going to eat the hotel room and stay home. Bummed about that.
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03/17/2020 09:31AM |
I am kind of coming up on possible similar situation. Big trip starting August 27th... I am hoping this stuff is gone by then but its tough to tell and I really don't want to cancel.
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03/17/2020 10:59AM |
MidwestMan: "I haven't really been following this thread all that closely but any time someone says something like "you must be a millennial" or something along those lines, that says a lot more about your judgmental/envious personality than it says about millennials."
+1
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03/12/2020 12:32PM |
sns: "Frenchy19: "NHL has told all refs to book flights home and visiting teams are supposedly being told to head to the airport to await further instructions. "
Yep, NHL is cancelling too.
Canoecopia is still on at of an hour ago - but I think I am going to eat the hotel room and stay home. Bummed about that."
I'm glad you won't be going, but understand you're being bummed. It's a fun event.
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03/12/2020 01:09PM |
I stocked up on groceries earlier this week, including food for our pets to last 2 months. I did not buy toilet paper or bottled water, though. Ha. (I always buy the giant pack of toilet paper and it lasts several months so we were already good there). I canceled plans to attend Canoecopia, including the member dinner at Angelo's and canceled plans to go to IKEA on Saturday. I am still going to work but I work in an office with just a few other people in our own building. We do have some gatherings scheduled for next week but I think my boss is canceling them. I could also start working from home as my job has that flexibility (and will work from home on the days outside people come here if the gatherings aren't canceled) . My husband does NOT have that ability, but as he's a lineman he's not hanging out with tons of people.
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03/12/2020 01:23PM |
mirth: "My HS senior's trips for second looks at colleges during & after spring break have all been postponed or canceled. I have a feeling the kid will have to decide on which university to attend in the fall without it."
Same situation for our granddaughter, including one first-look. So far not canceled, but I think probably will be. Tough on a lot of people, and may get tougher.
Granddaughter is planning to be an epidemiologist. She was just born about seven years too late to stave off this pandemic.
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03/12/2020 01:27PM |
nojobro: "Absolutely I'm changing plans in my life. My older daughter has medical issues and I need to do what I can to protect her. I wish all the people who think it's no big deal would think about these other people. They are people you know, even if you aren't sure you know anyone (we don't go around advertising her issues normally).
"
Thanks, Nola.
This is how I am feeling now. When I hear people say that they don't plan to change a thing, I find myself hoping that they will at least monitor their own health before they go out in public. I guess I sometimes DO advertise, but in our case my husband is in the very most vulnerable position of anyone right now: mid-70's, immune system wiped out by anti-rejection drugs, diabetic, and high risk because of some other issues as well.
One of my questions for the surgeon tomorrow at my post-op appointment is whether I am now less at risk or more, since my open-heart surgery. I feel like my heart is healthier now, but still cannot assess risk.
Please think about your community and stay home if you are questionable.
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03/12/2020 01:37PM |
Stumpy: "I'm tired of the sky falling."
So am I. But I cannot ignore it.
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03/13/2020 01:41PM |
Savage Voyageur: "If they cancel the NFL season because of this, then it will officially be the end of the world for me. "
LOL
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03/13/2020 01:13PM |
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03/12/2020 01:50PM |
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03/19/2020 07:49AM |
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03/19/2020 07:50AM |
Savage Voyageur: "I’m not changing anything in my life. I have a trip planned to another country and I’m looking forward to it. The social media and news media are generating mass hysteria as usual. Just don’t go on a cruise ship for a while. One person gets sick and you are stuck on the thing. "
Buy one week get 2 free. I know, not funny
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03/20/2020 10:53AM |
missmolly: "bhouse46: "At first we denied, then minimized and justified. I did all of it coming to terms with the idea with the bulk of us. If we self isolate we will reduce the impact so I am hunkered down at home planning tasks here and will get some extra local paddling. I thought about a local trip, but decided against it. I do not want to be anywhere but home if it hits me. "
I think you're the only one, bhouse46, who shifted your thinking and approach. "
I don't think so. From what I have seen people are staying home more. The only time I seem to get close to anyone is at the grocery store. Now that I am pretty well stocked up, I don't think I have any need to go back for 2-3 weeks.
At first though, it seemed like it would take far longer to reach us in Minnesota. Was it 3 or 4 weeks ago that the only community spread cases were in Washington state? Then the first case or two in Minnesota, then just this last week that the first case was detected in my region. My attitude from 2 weeks ago of "carry on like normal" has been completely upended. I'm still going to work and still taking my kids to daycare, but I work in a factory where I was socially distanced before corona and my daycare is the kids grandparents. Without a complete shutdown I can't really isolate myself any further.
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03/12/2020 03:01PM |
This has never happened before in any of our lifetimes. Absolutely it's changing my plans. I've got Twins season tickets-season is postponed. I was planning on going to Portland for the track and field olympic trials- the olympic games might be cancelled so those plans would be out.
I have co-workers who were exposed to people with COVID-19 and are now in quarantine. It's going to affect everyone's daily life at some point.
That said, my BWCA trips are still on for May and August.
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03/12/2020 03:04PM |
I'm with you. I fear society will become a mix of 1) people infected with the virus unknowingly, yet going on with theirs lives (and infecting others), making things worse, and 2) people who think the apocalypse has come.
Hope for the best, but be ready for anything else.
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03/17/2020 02:27PM |
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03/12/2020 04:15PM |
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03/12/2020 04:08PM |
straighthairedcurly: "Just found out that the World Championship robotics tournament scheduled for the end of April has been cancelled. They were having to cancel too many of the qualifying tournaments. While I knew this development was likely, my team is still in a state of mourning. This was a once in a lifetime opportunity for them. However, they decided to make a commemorative T-shirt that says "World Champions by default"...lol. "
I like those t-shirts!
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03/13/2020 03:59PM |
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03/11/2020 11:42AM |
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03/09/2020 09:15AM |
My family and I have had a spring break trip to Paris France booked since last June. We've been wrestling with the decision for a week but we've decided to go and enjoy ourselves.
Its incredibly hard to get accurate info to use for decision making purposes because one media source will be laying out the 6 reasons why we're all going to die and the next will be laying out the 6 reasons that this isn't really anything new and that we shouldn't afraid.
I must admit I'm a bit nervous, less of the virus itself but more of the potential hassles caused by the panic. When I come back my office has told me I need to work from home for 2 weeks after I get back and that I can't be in the office at all during that time, thats ok by me. We'll also stay away from older family members for a few weeks after we get back. For that reason grandmas and grandpas aren't all that happy that we're going and they won't get to see grandkids for about a month.
So what about the rest of you? Would you have made the same decision to go? Have you made any decisions for yourself about canceling or keeping vacation plans?
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03/09/2020 09:29AM |
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03/17/2020 04:00PM |
greywolf33: "I suspect that in late December many children will be born as a result of people self-quarantining and social distancing. Let's call them "Coronannials"."
The number of December babies will likely be limited to first time parents only. Being stuck in the house for days or weeks on end with the kids will be an extremely effective form of birth control for all current parents.
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03/09/2020 09:38AM |
So far the only real prep we've made that is a bit unusual is that we've made sure to pack a few bottles of hand sanitizer and some disinfecting wipes so we can keep things around us as clean as possible. We also stocked up on some non-perishable foods just in case everyone gets even more panicky while we're gone. Really most of what we're doing is guarding against the panic more so than the virus itself.
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03/13/2020 05:24PM |
arctic: "Don't worry, if the shutdowns last that long we will be in another Great Depression, for sure..."
Scary.
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03/11/2020 12:46PM |
AmarilloJim: "missmolly: "ZaraSp00k: "I haven't stopped going to my health club, at least not yet anyway.
But then I only am in the yoga room and bring my own mat.
I also haven't stopped going to the grocery store or the gas station.
Or work.
But you won't catch me in a bar, restaurant, church, sporting event, movie, or concert.
and for certain not a bus or the LRT.
"
I'm with Zara. I still go grocery shopping, but try to avoid other places where people cluster. They're already practicing triage in Italy, letting some die to treat others. "
Could you post the source of that info?"
Do a search and you'll find many, but here's one.
Here's another.
I read one yesterday penned by an Italian doctor who wrote about how they decide who lives and who dies, which is by the book, as they don't have time to triage any other way. I'll try to find that one for you.
I couldn't find it, but there's this, where you get to hear some Italian docs in the thick of it.
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03/11/2020 01:03PM |
LindenTree: "I was going to go to Goodland, MN to pick up my canoe but had to change my plans, I hear its a hot spot for Corona and Limes."
I love the bacon from Fred’s in Goodland!
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03/09/2020 09:51AM |
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03/11/2020 12:51PM |
arnesr: "The coronavirus is coming to you.
It’s coming at an exponential speed: gradually, and then suddenly.
It’s a matter of days. Maybe a week or two.
When it does, your healthcare system will be overwhelmed.
Your fellow citizens will be treated in the hallways.
Exhausted healthcare workers will break down. Some will die.
They will have to decide which patient gets the oxygen and which one dies.
The only way to prevent this is social distancing today. Not tomorrow. Today.
That means keeping as many people home as possible, starting now.
Source: Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now
"
I agree. It's exponential.
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03/11/2020 01:14PM |
missmolly: "Do a search and you'll find many, but here's one.
Here's another.
I read one yesterday penned by an Italian doctor who wrote about how they decide who lives and who dies, which is by the book, as they don't have time to triage any other way. I'll try to find that one for you.
I couldn't find it, but there's this, where you get to hear some Italian docs in the thick of it. "
No wonder. Only one of the pictures show the workers with any eye protection. Don't at least the heath care workers know better?
On the side, the radio reported the WHO said paper money could also be an agent of spread and to wash after handling. No one has yet taken my advice and thrown any into my empty waste container.
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03/13/2020 06:13PM |
prettypaddle: "My son's school was just closed through April 12th. I'm assuming my daughter's preschool will soon follow suit. Stuck at home with two little kids for a month (or more!)... Lord help us."
I think you will be okay. My mom managed from 1943 to the early 70's. :)
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03/09/2020 10:07AM |
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03/16/2020 02:23PM |
We were all packed and ready to, headed to the airport, boarded the plane, and flew to Iceland where we had a planned layover. While we were in the air Trump announced the travel ban from Europe. Due to how Trump worded things in his speech the initial policy that the airlines were operating under was that once in place no one was allowed to return to the US including US citizens. Because of that we were forced to buy new tickets and return to the US immediately. New tickets that got us as far as Washington DC set us back over $2000 and then another $1000 to get from DC to Minnesota. All because the ban was not correctly communicated.
Had the correct information been communicated we would have continued on to Paris and then worked on changing our return flights to get us home since all cafes and restaurants ended up closing the next day or 2. It would have saved us thousands of dollars. Instead we're out the $3000 in new tickets and another couple hundred in hotel and uber costs in DC plus we're currently looking at losing all the money we paid for our original return flights.
We're all of course disappointed in our trip falling apart but more so we're frustrated in how poorly the travel ban was implemented and the repercussions that the poor communication had on us and thousands of other travelers that were caught in the same situation as us. It was also shocking to see that after the ban was announced they were still letting thousands upon thousands of people into the country without any sort of screening so I'm not sure how effective the travel ban is going to be. At minimum is seems too little too late.
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03/19/2020 09:57AM |
cyj1919: "yellowcanoe: "Not really
We respect that social
isolation is the way to contain this pandemic
so we are going cross country two humans and a dog and a trailer
We have food and can limit human contact
Rio Grande here we come"
You clearly don't respect anybody, you're part of the problem. Classic boomer mentality."
Careful in your condemnation of "Boomers"! Condemning us all over the statement of one might be over stepping?
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03/11/2020 01:58PM |
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03/11/2020 02:24PM |
This is serious and will continue for months. It certainly is not a political conspiracy.
If you are looking for some non-partisan straight talk you should check out this podcast with a U of M expert.
Michael Osterholm
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03/09/2020 10:10AM |
We have packed extra medicine and sanitation. Our health is generally good and that leaves us at less risk and the age of 80 or so is severally years away. While not looking to die right away, should I do so, I have had a good run and the next step is a step up.
I just hope to be home by my July scheduled BW trip. The outfitter has said no refunds for missing my overnight in their bunkhouse even with the C-virus keeps us away at sea.
I hope that was said partly in jest.
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03/09/2020 10:37AM |
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03/10/2020 11:21AM |
mutz: "
Reminds me of Y2K. I worked part time at an army surplus store and we sold so many MRE’s and generators in December that the owner gave me a $1500.00 Christmas bonus. Lowe’s and home depot even went to a no return policy on generators. I would guess that in a few months people are going to be returning a lot of cases of freeze dried foods and disinfectants."
I'm guessing you are right. Its crazy going to the store and seeing the empty shelves. What sort of complete breakdown of society are people expecting? Judging by all the empty shelves where bottled water used to be people must be expecting us to be without running water. If that happens and we have no utilities I wonder if they've also prepared for what else that means? I kind of doubt people have thought about that.
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03/13/2020 07:09PM |
KarlBAndersen1: "Yes - I'm going to stay at Ben Cardelli's all summer."
Yikes!!! I better stock up on toilet paper!
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03/09/2020 10:31AM |
We are not typical. Besides being in our mid-70's, we both have health issues that put us more in danger from this disease. My husband is immune-suppressed (since his kidney transplant), and is a type1 diabetic. I have just recently had surgery for a debilitating heart condition.
We still are hopeful that there will be no issues with our June stay at Rockwood Lodge, since it is important to us not only for the experience, but because we love spending time in the canoe country with our granddaughter. She will be heading off to college in the fall and who knows if this might be the last time?
We love cruises. We had to cancel a wonderful anniversary cruise in December due to my need for heart surgery. We hope that this scare will pass quickly, and that there will be more beautiful cruises in our future. I guess time will tell on that one.
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03/10/2020 12:22PM |
However, we did buy some extra sanitizer and hand soap, and we will stockpile a bit of our medications if we can. A two-week quarantine (or more) would be dangerous for people who are relying on medications to keep other health issues stable. I am thinking about things like blood-pressure medication, heart medications, insulin, and of course my husband's anti-rejection meds.
I remember Y2K well. My husband worked for the power company, and the predictions were for computer-chaos. Fortunately didn't happen. It is the only New Year's Eve I haven't spent with Spartan1 since we met in 1965. He had to be at work all night.
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03/10/2020 12:36PM |
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03/13/2020 08:37PM |
nctry: "KarlBAndersen1: "Yes - I'm going to stay at Ben Cardelli's all summer."
Yikes!!! I better stock up on toilet paper!"
I've got some to sell ya.
Nickel a roll.*
Free shipping.
A grand for handling.
*Limit one roll per order.
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03/18/2020 07:54AM |
greywolf33: "I suspect that in late December many children will be born as a result of people self-quarantining and social distancing. Let's call them "Coronannials"."
Lmao!
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03/16/2020 05:30PM |
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03/16/2020 05:52PM |
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03/16/2020 05:53PM |
missmolly: "Ouch, nofish. If you're willing, post your snail mail address and I'll send you fifty bucks to take a little bite out of your big financial bite. "
That is a very generous offer missmolly. We'll be ok, while it was a financial hit and we for sure had other plans for that money we'll be able to absorb the loss. If you're so inclined you can do me a favor and donate that money somewhere that might be able to help those being laid off, losing hours, or having to stay home to care for children without getting paid. They probably need the help more than I do.
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03/18/2020 08:49AM |
greywolf33: "I suspect that in late December many children will be born as a result of people self-quarantining and social distancing. Let's call them "Coronannials"."
And in the 2030's, they'll be known as "quaranteens"...
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03/16/2020 05:58PM |
OMGitsKa: "Sorry but haven't you been uh... following the news? Things were clearly heading south for a few weeks now. All the people who posted earlier about all their trips were still going to take was just absolutely crazy. "
Of course we followed the news. Given my wifes line of work we were probably more informed on the risk of international travel than most people. We knew the risk associated with contracting the virus and the potential of some closures once we were there. We accepted those. What we didnt plan on was a complete shut down of all travel from Europe to the US. Of course a complete shutdown is not reality nor was it ever the true reality but Trump initially said it was so thats what the airlines operated under for a period of time and unfortunatley his incorrect info coupled with bad timing we got burned. Had we had more time to make a decision we would have been able to wait for the true info to come out. Unfortunately we had less than an hour before our flight left Iceland to make a decision and at that time the word was it was a complete ban. Again bad timing and incorrect info equals a bad deal for thousands of Americans.
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03/09/2020 12:14PM |
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03/09/2020 12:54PM |
AmarilloJim: "My wife and oldest are going with another mom and her oldest to Paris in 2 weeks also. Perfect timing. No lines."
We've already looked at seating on our flights and the plane is about half full right now. Will make flying with 2 young kids nice with room to spread out. We're also anticipating shorter lines. Normally we'd have pre purchased tickets to the museums we really want to visit but this time around we'll just buy day of in case things end up being closed. Trying to remain as flexible as possible.
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03/09/2020 12:42PM |
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03/20/2020 03:28PM |
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03/10/2020 04:27PM |
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03/09/2020 02:11PM |
The CDC alert page for Ireland:
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/destinations/list
The State Department Ireland page:
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Ireland.html
And the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control:
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en
Same tour company also has a band going to Italy. For that tour they are already making other arrangements.
I think it depends on where you are headed at the time.
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03/14/2020 06:01AM |
Stumpy: "I'm tired of the sky falling."
I'm torn on this. On one hand the coverage is oppressive right now. On the other hand, we clearly need to act or we could end up overwhelming our hospitals causing a snowball effect and harming other sick or injured people who need a bed or attention. So yes, the situation is serious. To think it's "no big deal" is just being naive to how this virus spreads. Double a penny every day for 30 days and see what happens. It grows exponentially. We don't act and this is what would happen.
This is 15 minutes (video) with a person with extensive experience with infectious disease.
Michael Osterholm on Joe Rogan
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03/12/2020 05:54AM |
inspector13: "
the WHO said paper money could also be an agent of spread
"
what is paper money?
for what it's worth, Issac Newton was a scrawny little shidt who probably should have died during the pandemic during his time, he not only survived but prospered by going out into the country isolated from everything, that's where he came up with most of his theories/laws
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03/16/2020 09:45PM |
missmolly: "nofish: "podgeo: "nofish: "OMGitsKa: "Sorry but haven't you been uh... following the news? Things were clearly heading south for a few weeks now. All the people who posted earlier about all their trips were still going to take was just absolutely crazy. "
Of course we followed the news. Given my wifes line of work we were probably more informed on the risk of international than most. We knew the risk associated with contracting the virus and the potential of some closures once we were there.
"
"Give your wife's line of work, and being more informed on the risk of international travel than most". Maybe you should have canceled the trip and cut your loses there.
If you ask me it was kind of a selfish move on your part to even try and leave the country with the current condition in the world.
The risk of infecting yourself and others when you return. Very selfish... are you a millennial ? "
Nope not a millennial and frankly I don't care what you think about my decision. We made a decision based on all the current info we had including potential risks based on what we had seen in other countries. We understood the risk of infection and had planned self isolation upon our return regardless. We talked about the potential of travel bans like had been implemented for China and Italy and we knew first hand how those had been handled and what implications they had for US travelers. We just didnt account for the possibility of the President incorrectly describing the ban in his speech. While it sucks to miss out on the vacation and lose the money that we did we knew there was risk involved and we accept that. Call me selfish if you'd like, doesnt bother me in the least."
Nofish, many people in this thread and other similar threads have said they weren't going to change their travel plans. If George wants to judge others, he should be critical of all who were determined to vacation away.
Plus, for all the talk about how we're a paddling family, why isn't anyone else willing to stand up for their paddling brother? As far as I can recall, nofish, you've always been kind to others at bwca.com. "
People judge me why can't I judge them ?
Yes I am critical of others.
Thats why at are meeting this morning at work about how we are interacting with people in my work field with this virus going around. I asked what going to happen with one of are guys when he gets back from Puerto Rico on Thursday. Sounds like he might be getting another 2 weeks off work
I know theres lots kind people on here. And I am sure nofish has been kind to others
He was just asking if the Coronavirus was changing your plans and I responded to it.
I think it should be changing all are plans this thing is no joke. Little common sense goes a long way. And yes somedays I am short with common sense
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03/12/2020 06:26AM |
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03/12/2020 06:38AM |
AmarilloJim: "One of the better informative articles I've seen "
That is informative. Thanks.
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03/12/2020 06:41AM |
ZaraSp00k: "inspector13: "
the WHO said paper money could also be an agent of spread"
what is paper money?
for what it's worth, Issac Newton was a scrawny little shidt who probably should have died during the pandemic during his time, he not only survived but prospered by going out into the country isolated from everything, that's where he came up with most of his theories/laws"
It’s that greenish cloth-like paper with pictures of old white men, which people sometimes use to snort cocaine.
I thought back in his day one escaped the vapors by keeping the doors and windows shut, especially at night!
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03/12/2020 10:44PM |
Also wondering about lots of other plans people were making. I’ve already bailed on one conference and am expecting another to be cancelled.