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Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: BWCA-2018-How did the camper actually die?
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| dasunt |
Whatever ate him did so after he was dead. The amount of blood found afterwards sounds notable. With the authorities thinking that he cut himself, I'd imagine the amount of blood was indicative of a bleeding person. But I'm just guessing a living, bleeding person produces more blood than body a few days old being torn apart by a wild animal. If his knife blades were exposed to the weather for months, any blood could have been washed off by the elements. Else I'm wondering - freak accident causing a fatal head injury? Head wounds can bleed badly, and the BWCA has plenty of rocks and slippery surfaces. |
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| Northland |
If blaming wolves helps the mother to deal with the loss of her son, so be it. But people who instinctively blame wolves are usually people who don't know much about them. I also agree that his remains would not have lasted out there without being scavenged - by wolves, coyotes, eagles, crows, and anything else that's trying to survive a MN winter. Seems like a lot of knives to be toting along. I also didn't see mention of a first aid kit or an insulating pad for the hammock. The hammock would have been VERY cold without it, even for one night. |
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| sns |
Northland: "I also didn't see mention of a first aid kit or an insulating pad for the hammock. The hammock would have been VERY cold without it, even for one night. " The DNT photo showing his 8-10 knives has them laid out on a sleeping pad... |
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| Pinetree |
Also I have seen many of wolf-deer kills. Often you find maybe a little hair left at the site. Point is often animals clean up everything. |
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| minnmike |
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| Northland |
sns: "Northland: "I also didn't see mention of a first aid kit or an insulating pad for the hammock. The hammock would have been VERY cold without it, even for one night. " I was thinking more about the external pad that goes outside the hammock on the bottom, simply to keep out the cold air. I guess "pad" isn't the appropriate term. It's akin to a thick down blanket. |
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| Cricket67 |
Northland: "sns: "Northland: "I also didn't see mention of a first aid kit or an insulating pad for the hammock. The hammock would have been VERY cold without it, even for one night. " I believe "underquilt" is the term you are looking for. |
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| Pinetree |
We have to remember tho this gentlemen has many of the same dreams you and I have-to get away from it all and enjoy the wilderness and explore. To do your own thing. |
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| Chuckles |
Old thread You have to read through a lot of back and forth conjecture/judgement, including a long rabbit hole about the Into The Wild guy, but it is worth a read. |
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| TomT |
Cricket67: "Northland: "sns: "Northland: "I also didn't see mention of a first aid kit or an insulating pad for the hammock. The hammock would have been VERY cold without it, even for one night. " Using an inflatable pad underneath you will do a good job. Kind of underprepared though if he intended to stay the winter in that set up. |
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| Portage99 |
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| Pinetree |
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| Pinetree |
Winter camper's 2019 death at Boundary Waters remains a mystery DULUTH — A medical examiner's report completed Thursday, Sept. 3, offered no further answers to the mysterious death of a 29-year-old New Mexico man in the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness almost two years ago. The Midwest Medical Examiner's Office in Anoka County listed Jordan Grider's death as "undetermined" in its public report. Grider's remains — only a dozen bones — were found by authorities April 25, 2019, in a remote campsite off the Sioux Hustler Trail outside Orr, Minnesota. While the date of his death is listed as April 25, 2019, Grider is believed to have died sooner than that, having entered into the Boundary Waters in October 2018 with the intent of camping through the winter. Prior to arriving in the Northland, Grider had spent much of the previous 10 years living in the wilds of Kentucky and upper New York. His mother, Rebecca Grider, told Forum News Service she believes her son was killed by wolves, but authorities and experts suspect he may have succumbed to an accident and his remains later eaten by wildlife. St. Louis County sheriff's investigators, along with agents from the U.S. Border Patrol, U.S. Forestry Service and St. Louis County Rescue Squad, conducted extensive searches for Grider, only ever recovering bones. "The exact cause of death remains unknown," the sheriff's office said in August when it confirmed his identity. "Although foul play is not suspected." |
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| pilot |
That should be one of the first things a serious trippers plans to purchase. |
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| marsonite |
A really bad shaving cut is a very unusual way to die, but it does sort of explain the blood. I guess we'll never know. |
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| Pinetree |
marsonite: "I know they found a lot of blood in the hammock. That fact alone would make me think it wasn't wolves killing him. If wolves got him, maybe he would have bled a lot, but it sure would be scattered all over. They wouldn't just reach in and bite his carotid or something and hang back and let him bleed. Just doesn't add up. Thing about hypothermia is that it doesn't really explain the blood. I thought the hypothermia would make him less alert and rational, thus maybe he cut himself or died from hypothermia and maybe wolves moved in? We can speculate forever. |
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| Pinetree |
Two links to the same story-maybe you won't be able to access either. Same company owns both papers. camper wolves |
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| ayudell |
You can get around the paywall if you open this link in your Incognito browser (Chrome). |
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| Pinetree |
Mocha: "He died of something. Perhaps the wolves ate him ad they would any other dead animal." That is what I think-after he died, than some animal maybe moved in. |
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| Cricket67 |
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| Portage99 |
They mention he never used his phone to call for help, but is there reception in that area? If he knew there was no reception, why would he try to call someone? Regardless, his life was inspirational to me. Living in the woods for so many years, while working and living life. Interesting guy. I hope his Mom does write that book! |
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| arctic |
And meat does not remain uneaten during the harshness of winter in the North. |
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| missmolly |
Pinetree: "nctry: "If murder I’ll bet it was a naked drunken lady! Sometimes we just don’t need to know... But the conversation is good because listening to others comments maybe someone thinking of doing something similar will learn to if nothing else research what our winters are like up there. I’m not real far away and I know the temps on say Basswood can be a bit more brutal. But that being said I’ll take -30 - -40 below over -20 or -25. Because the windsock of an under quilt usually is not a factor. Seems like when I lived in the old shack I had to about sleep next to the wood stove to keep it warm in there with the wind coming off the lake. Then the next night when -35 air temp I had to open the back door cause it got too hot. Only way I’d spend any amount of time out there would be a hot tent. At least to be able to warm up from time to time. A hammock would be the last thing I think." I figure the same, Mr. Tree and Ben. |
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| Pinetree |
nctry: "If murder I’ll bet it was a naked drunken lady! Sometimes we just don’t need to know... But the conversation is good because listening to others comments maybe someone thinking of doing something similar will learn to if nothing else research what our winters are like up there. I’m not real far away and I know the temps on say Basswood can be a bit more brutal. But that being said I’ll take -30 - -40 below over -20 or -25. Because the windsock of an under quilt usually is not a factor. Seems like when I lived in the old shack I had to about sleep next to the wood stove to keep it warm in there with the wind coming off the lake. Then the next night when -35 air temp I had to open the back door cause it got too hot. Only way I’d spend any amount of time out there would be a hot tent. At least to be able to warm up from time to time. A hammock would be the last thing I think." I think a hammock you got cold temps coming from all around you. Especially if windy. |
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